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Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure ·
Emily Moore47 said:If your goal is massive size, it doesn't matter which supplements you stack alongside steroids... your diet always has to be dialed in, regardless of your cycle. Sure, the results will improve the more stuff you take with the gear, but nutrition does 80% of the heavy lifting when it comes to mass... but you're right, it's a whole different world... 🙂

When you're cycling, it’s incredibly easy to get fat if you aren't disciplined about what you eat and how much. Of course, that also depends on your genetics and the specific compounds you're running. I won't speculate on body fat percentages, but I will say this: anabolics won't do the job for you if you don't know what you're doing. You have to adjust your training program and ramp up your caloric intake, which is difficult because you have to increase quantities gradually without overshooting and blowing up.
But like I said, it's its own beast altogether..................................
Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure ·
Emily Moore47 said:Glucose hits your bloodstream first and mostly serves to provide a temporary boost in how you feel, which is why people typically grab sugar and water during intense training sessions... the same logic applies to fructose, but since everyone has pure glucose sitting in their pantry, that's what gets used...
Nobody is going to munch on chocolate or candy during a workout, so glucose is strictly useful for the scenario I just described...

As for Ronnie, it doesn't matter what he drinks—once he starts injecting, the liquid diet becomes irrelevant...... 😁

Especially when you're on a cycle, your nutrition isn't some trivial detail. You have to be surgical about what you eat and exactly how much.
I know what I'm talking about because I've lived it. This is an entire world of its own, and it's far too heavy for a casual forum like this........................😉
Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure ·
Emily Moore47 said:Are you seriously suggesting that the insights from two chemistry professors—whom I actually consult in real life, whether during lab hours or on my own time—are worthless? And a banana for hydration? That’s a new one. Let’s be clear: while fructose is absorbed more slowly than other monosaccharides, it is still a simple sugar and remains highly effective for quick energy, provided you don't trigger a massive insulin spike. As for the banana, based on what my former high school chemistry teacher used to say, you eat it because it provides temporary satiety without wrecking your stomach. Some athletes even snack on a few pieces of chocolate during training (not after) purely for the fuel.

I jumped into this argument because the petty bickering annoyed me. It felt like a playground fight where kids yell, "My dad is stronger than your dad," except here it was, "My scientist is smarter than your scientist." Like briskjackal5 said: if standard protocols meet your goals for your body, then fine. But if you have no intention of studying biochemistry, none of this technicality matters to you (or to me).🙂

Regards!

Relying solely on fructose as an energy source during a workout is a poor strategy. I can't name a single athlete who uses nothing but fructose to power through intense physical exertion like a marathon, cycling race, triathlon, or tennis match.
I won't waste time debating the specifics here, assuming most of you already understand the vital role potassium and other minerals play during heavy physical strain.
Kudos to your professors, but if they believe fructose should be the primary tool during training or competition, they are wrong. Any nutritionist, strength coach, or professional working with elite athletes will tell you the same thing.
Besides, none of this really matters for a casual gym-goer anyway...................................
Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure ·
If you want to understand fructose, just look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose
Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure ·
Emily Moore47 said:What is wrong with you people? You sit there behind a computer screen reading internet articles and then have the nerve to claim something is "scientifically proven" without even knowing who wrote it or having any actual experience. Use some damn logic. How can a complex substance be absorbed before a simple one? Is it easier or faster to shred a piece of paper and then throw it away, or just toss it already shredded? And regarding fructose—tell me you haven't seen what athletes typically consume during long aerobic training sessions, if they eat anything at all (like tennis players). Simple sugars are meant to be there to provide quick energy while keeping you from feeling prematurely full. That’s the gist of it. I don't understand how you managed to misinterpret my last post, and why on earth are we debating glycemic index in a thread about Protein?

Fine, here is how I'm going to explain why you're dead wrong.
I'm going to go off again, deal with it.
Tennis players don't eat bananas for the carbs; they do it primarily for the potassium and hydration.
I'm on vacation right now, so I actually have the time today.
Do you really think I'd be posting this frequently otherwise?
Don't take it personally, but I have zero intention of arguing with anyone else.
Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure ·
Emily Moore47 said:Glucose hits your bloodstream first and is mostly used to get that quick temporary boost, which is why people usually grab sugar and water when they're overexerting themselves... the same logic applies to fructose, but since everyone has plain glucose sitting in their pantry, that's what gets used...
Nobody is going to munch on chocolate or candy during a PWM session, so glucose is strictly for the scenario I just described...

And for Ronnie Coleman, it doesn't matter what he drinks—as long as he's injecting... 😁

Stop comparing fructose to glucose. Consuming polysaccharides versus monosaccharides isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, and science has already proven that maltodextrin enters the bloodstream faster than glucose (dextrose) without wrecking your stomach.
As for fructose, it’s been established for a long time that it isn't ideal for PWM because it puts too much strain on the system and breaks down slower (I don't feel like getting into the weeds here).

Sure, small amounts of glucose are fine during PWM, but it’s really only a necessity for elite athletes.
Period.

Best,
Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure ·
Emily Moore47 said:The end result is identical. It’s like comparing a single link of a chain to a three-mile-long chain; they are both made of the exact same molecule. The only difference lies in the molecular structure and how quickly they break down...

These petty arguments are pointless; you're missing the forest for the trees. It would be great if your kids (assuming you have any) actually learned some chemistry and biology one day. If they did, you could just hand them a textbook and let them flip through the pages... 🙂

Besides, don't all carbohydrates eventually convert into glucose within the body?

Since the bonds between glucose molecules in maltodextrin are extremely weak and the chain length is relatively short (between 2 and 19 units), the digestion of maltodextrin is incredibly rapid.
Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure ·
Emily Moore47 said:It all amounts to the same thing. Whether you're looking at a single link of a chain or a three-mile long heavy-duty assembly, they’re both forged from the exact same molecule. The only real difference is how that structure is shaped and how long it takes to break down.

These petty arguments of yours are completely pointless. You can't see the forest for the trees. It would be a real improvement if your mentors—assuming you even have any—actually taught you a thing or two about chemistry and biology. Do yourselves a favor: pick up a textbook and try actually reading it for once. 🙂

The digestion rates vary significantly. I’m not claiming that sticking solely to maltodextrin is the superior play; rather, blending multiple carbohydrate sources is clearly the smarter move.
Let’s be real: for your average weekend warrior, there is absolutely zero practical difference between recovering with a standard whey and glucose shake versus just eating a solid, whole-food meal.
Look, please just read the entire thread from the top so you can finally grasp my point: casual lifters don't need a classic post-workout meal consisting of nothing but whey and glucose. That said, the fact remains that relying solely on glucose—especially in high quantities—is a subpar strategy for a post-workout window.
Try loading up on 100g of glucose one time and 100g of maltodextrin the next. You’ll feel the difference immediately.
If you go with glucose, you’re almost certainly going to deal with bloating issues—maltodextrin just doesn't trigger that reaction. At least, that was my experience.
Take the bodybuilding fanatics, for example. When Ronnie Coleman hits his post-workout window, he’s mixing Syntha-6 protein with a few spoonfuls of Nesquik just to round it out.
I have to wonder: why wouldn't he just stick to pure whey paired with straight glucose?😕
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dustyhawk32 said:I honestly think Janjetina is either finishing or has already finished a second degree alongside his engineering studies (medical school, I assume).
If that same philosopher showed up here, he’d tuck you into a tiny pocket with nothing but his sheer intellect and eloquence.
Besides, you're really going to lecture someone about writing nonsense? You're clinging blindly to one single damn sentence about glucose having high osmolarity?!?!?!?!
Reading your ramblings, it's clear you haven't grasped the point of my post at all; instead, you're attacking me like some idiot buzzing around and waving his arms in the middle of a swarm of bees.
Furthermore, you stick to the exact same thing every single time. In every post where glucose is mentioned, you persistently try to force your opinion on us. You're being incredibly exclusionary for a kid who clearly has zero clue about the subject we're discussing.
I specifically noted at the start of my post that I wouldn't comment on glucose dosage because it varies from person to person and depends on training intensity.
The way you address others suggests you are either incredibly insecure or pathologically stubborn. You won't get very far with that attitude, especially in this sport—and I see you have some sort of interest in making progress (not necessarily professionally) based on your mindless posts (no offense intended).

Here is a little something extra from Mr. Janjetina to wrap things up (trying to downplay him... that's like saying you "raised your hand" against Lastan 😂 )

"To begin with, maltodextrin is a glucose polymer consisting of 3-20 glucose molecules held together by very weak electrostatic bonds, known as hydrogen bonds (O-H). Even in the mouth, the enzyme ptyalin breaks these hydrogen bonds, transforming the maltodextrin molecule into several smaller glucose polymers. The stomach plays no role in digesting maltodextrin. These glucose polymers pass from the stomach to the small intestine, where they are broken down under the influence of amylase from the pancreas into even smaller molecules—mostly dimers—which are then broken down into glucose molecules by the enzyme maltase, allowing them to be absorbed directly into the bloodstream. Since the bonds between glucose molecules in maltodextrin are extremely weak and their number is low (2-19), the digestion of maltodextrin is very rapid.
One must also consider that the rate of gastric emptying into the small intestine depends on the osmolarity of the solution in the stomach. Osmolarity depends on the number of molecules, which implies that the stomach will empty faster when consuming maltodextrin than when consuming glucose. When all is said and done, the time elapsed between consumption and absorption of maltodextrin is only negligibly longer than the time for dextrose.
Consuming maltodextrin, much like glucose, causes a sharp spike in blood glucose levels; in other words, maltodextrin has a very high glycemic index, comparable to glucose:
http://www.strollerfit.com/index.cfm...F0A45D08E1B199
http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au/gi17.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/issa5.htm
http://www.bodyforlife2.com/glycemic.htm

etc..."

Give my regards to that "nutritionist" you're so enamored with—or maybe she's your girlfriend... whatever—the woman who has clearly never lifted a weight in her life, let alone lived this lifestyle.
At its core, this is an individual pursuit. I’m talking about how your specific body responds to nutrition, training intensity, and recovery. It's all highly personal.
I tried engaging in this debate one more time, but like I said before, there’s just no reasoning with you.
It’s like trying to argue logic with religious zealots—you simply can't win with that crowd.
I hope you’ll finally decide to open your eyes.
Look, honestly, do whatever works for you. At the end of the day, this is a sport where you have the opportunity to truly understand how your own body functions—if you actually care enough to try.
Hey there!

Chemical bonding joins glucose and fructose to create sucrose, whereas starch, cellulose, and glycogen serve as various glucose polymers—better known as polysaccharides.

Look, since you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, let me set the record straight: glucose polymers and glucose are not the same thing.☕
Finally, tell me where this text about maltodextrin actually came from. Where are the references for these claims, and more importantly, when was this even published?
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granitegardener14 said:Good grief, guys. You’ve taken this discussion down to a molecular level.🤣

I don't get it, and frankly, neither does the other 95% of this forum.

I’d bet anything that half of you don't even grasp what you're typing if you actually took a moment to read back through your own posts.😉

My routine is simple: post-workout, I knock back a scoop of whey mixed with about a cup of water. Occasionally, I’ll toss in a little brown sugar, but I never go overboard with the sweetener—it gets cloying if you overdo it. About thirty to sixty minutes later, I eat a massive meal to fuel up, and that’s the end of it.

I don't waste much time obsessing over what’s happening inside the stomach, the pancreas, or the small intestine. I'm not losing sleep over amino acid bonds or any of that molecular chemistry.

Look, it’s simple: I’m not prepping for Mr. Olympia, so I couldn't care less. 👍

Look, if you aren't a professional athlete, there's really no reason to lose sleep over this kind of stuff. If it doesn't interest you, don't bother stressing about it.
Here’s the bottom line: if you actually have the budget to afford high-quality, diverse whole foods, there is absolutely no reason for a recreational lifter to be messing around with whey protein spiked with carbohydrates. You aren't going to feel the difference, and you certainly won't see any results that justify the waste.
I know exactly what I’m talking about, but most people just misinterpret my points. I can be a bit tedious at times, sure, but that’s usually enough to give those "brave" keyboard warriors an excuse to start throwing insults.
Best protein powders for muscle gain? in Hobbies & Leisure ·
I hate to be a broken record, but have you actually sat down and read those studies regarding GI foods yet?
I’m dropping that link here again. Please, take some time to study it, because it’s clear you haven't grasped the core of this debate.

Do me a favor and give me your actual thoughts on it.
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dustyhawk32 said:I'm convinced Janjetina is either finishing his second degree alongside his engineering studies (probably med school, if I had to guess).
If that same philosopher showed up here, he’d tuck you into his pocket with nothing but pure intellect and eloquence.
Besides, you have the nerve to tell someone they're talking nonsense? You're blindly clinging to one single, damn sentence about glucose having high osmolarity?!?!?!?!
Reading through your rambling, it's clear you haven't grasped the point of my post at all; instead, you're attacking me like some idiot buzzing and waving his arms in the middle of a beehive.
Furthermore, you stick to the exact same script; every single time glucose is mentioned in your posts, you try to force your opinion down our throats. You are incredibly exclusionary for a kid who clearly doesn't understand the subject matter we're discussing.
I specifically noted at the start of my post that I wouldn't comment on specific glucose dosages because they vary from person to person and depend entirely on training intensity.
The way you address others suggests you are either extremely insecure or incredibly stubborn. You aren't going to get far with that attitude—especially not in this sport—and I can see you actually have an interest in making progress (not necessarily professionally) based on your mindless posts (no offense intended).

Here is a little something extra from Mr. Janjetina to wrap things up (and please, stop belittling Janjetina... that's like saying you "threw your hands up" at Lastan 😂 ).

"To begin, maltodextrin is a glucose polymer consisting of 3-20 glucose molecules held together by very weak electrostatic bonds, known as hydrogen bonds (O-H). Even in saliva, the enzyme ptyalin breaks these hydrogen bonds, turning the maltodextrin molecule into several smaller glucose polymers. The stomach plays no role in digesting maltodextrin. These glucose polymers move from the stomach to the small intestine, where, under the influence of amylase from the pancreas, they are broken down into even smaller molecules—mostly dimers—which are then further broken down into glucose molecules by the enzyme maltase, allowing them to be absorbed directly into the bloodstream. Since the bonds between glucose molecules in maltodextrin are very weak and their number is low (2-19), the digestion of maltodextrin is extremely rapid.
One must also consider the fact that the rate of gastric emptying into the small intestine depends on the osmolarity of the solution in the stomach. Osmolarity depends on the number of molecules, which means the stomach will empty faster when consuming maltodextrin than when consuming glucose. When all is said and done, the time elapsed between consumption and absorption of maltodextrin is only negligibly longer than the time for dextrose.
Consuming maltodextrin, much like glucose, causes a sharp spike in blood glucose levels; in other words, maltodextrin has a very high glycemic index, comparable to glucose:
http://www.strollerfit.com/index.cfm...F0A45D08E1B199
http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au/gi17.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/issa5.htm
http://www.bodyforlife2.com/glycemic.htm

etc..."

Give my regards to that "nutritionist" you're so enamored with—or maybe she's your girlfriend... whatever. She's clearly never lifted a weight in her life, let alone lived this lifestyle.
First and foremost, this is an individual sport. By that, I mean how your specific body reacts to nutrition, training, and recovery. It’s all highly subjective.
I tried jumping back into this debate, but like I said, you're impossible to reason with.
It’s like what they say to religious fanatics: "You can't win with these people."
I hope you eventually open your eyes to the reality here.
Regardless, I wish you the best. Do whatever works for you. At its core, this is a sport where you actually have the opportunity to understand your own physiology if you choose to.
Later.

Now, why don't you explain exactly what you mean by that?
Who here is talking about the GI of maltodextrin? Who is discussing whether or not carbohydrates should be included in a post-workout meal? Point to the exact sentence where I insulted you.
I have to wonder who is actually insulting whom with a post like this. Honestly, I'd love to meet you in person. If you're interested, we can grab a coffee and see if you have half the courage to confront me face-to-face that you do when hiding behind a screen. Let's see if you can actually answer technical questions regarding training, nutrition, and sports science.
I’m not some kid; I’m 34 years old with years of experience in athletics.
Janjetina is a smart guy—I stated that—but he tends to overthink things. Tell me, why are you belittling someone just because they hold an engineering degree? Is it simply because they didn't write exactly what you wanted them to say? I don't even know this person; I stumbled upon that article online yesterday by pure chance.
My point is that slamming massive amounts of nothing but glucose into a post-workout meal is a mistake, which is what a lot of kids do, and I provided the reasoning. I am also saying that for recreational lifters, hitting protein via whey and BCAA is hardly a necessity since they aren't training twice a day, six days a week.
Everyone knows maltodextrin has a high GI, but its gastric emptying rate is faster than glucose—that is a scientifically proven fact. I'm not going to waste time debating exactly *how much* faster it is, because there's no point; however, if you have data showing the specific difference, I invite you to post it here.
You dodged my question. How many times a week do you train, and what is your typical session duration?
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dustyhawk32 said:I'm not going to weigh in on specific glucose dosages. That depends entirely on whether you're an ectomorph or an endomorph...
What actually matters is the balance between PRE-WM, DURWM, and PWM.
Every one of those should include both whey and glucose. Why pair whey with glucose? HMMM—because glucose can trigger an insulin spike. A higher insulin level increases muscle perfusion, which means better blood flow, which ultimately ensures superior nutrient delivery.
For a recreational lifter, using glucose with whey is more beneficial than harmful.
You don't need to be some child prodigy to grasp that logic.

To quote a colleague from another forum:

"Once insulin binds to its receptors, GLUT-4 moves from the interior of the cell to the surface of the cell membrane ('tunneling' through the membrane). Once it binds with a glucose molecule, it changes shape, allowing for glucose diffusion.

Based on that data, you cannot conclude that glucose is unnecessary in PWM, nor can you claim that protein alone is an adequate substitute.

There is a high probability that if you consume protein without high-GI carbs, the liver will convert it into glucose via gluconeogenesis, at which point it's transported just like any other glucose molecule."

I’m currently on a ketogenic diet, so for me right now, neither whey nor glucose is even on the table.
But when I cycle back to high carbs, this is how I handle it...
In reality, PRE-WM and DURWM are essentially the same thing to me since I sip them slowly. Then, at the very end of my workout, I take my PWM.
There are far too many people here who lack even the most fundamental knowledge. I don't want to offend anyone, but it would be great if you all could help each other out with quality advice—something practical, yet educational.
Most of this information is readily available online; it’s mostly just copy-paste. You might as well Google it and copy-paste then, because you'll actually learn something that way.
It’s like being in high school or college and trying to cheat on a test. When you finally sit for the exam, you realize you didn't even need to cheat because you accidentally learned the material while scribbling it down on that damn little scrap of paper.
Live healthy and train as hard as you can.
Cheers 🙂

Now, give it to me straight: how many times a week do you train, and how long does a single session actually last?
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dustyhawk32 said:I’m not going to weigh in on specific glucose intake numbers. It’s a moving target that depends entirely on your body type—whether you're an ectomorph, an endomorph, or somewhere in between.
Pre-WM, DURWM, and PWM all carry equal weight.
Everyone should be pairing their whey with glucose. Why bother with that combo? Simple: glucose triggers an insulin spike. That elevated insulin level drives increased muscle hyperemia—basically, you're cranking up the blood flow. More blood flow means your muscles get a much more efficient delivery of nutrients. It’s basic physiology.
Mixing glucose with your whey protein might seem like a smart move, but for a casual lifter, it’s mostly just extra calories you don't actually need. It isn't exactly harmful, but the benefits are marginal at best. Unless you're training like a pro athlete, you're better off keeping it simple.
You don't need to be some child prodigy to grasp that.

To quote my colleague Janjetina from another forum:

Once insulin binds to its receptors, GLUT-4 migrates from the interior of the cell to the surface. Think of it like a tunnel being constructed through the cell membrane; once it reaches the perimeter and latches onto a glucose molecule, it undergoes a conformational change. This structural shift essentially opens the gate, allowing glucose to diffuse freely into the cell.

You can't draw the conclusion from this data that glucose in PWM is unnecessary, nor can you claim that protein alone serves as an adequate substitute.

If you're consuming solo protein without any high-GI carbs, there’s a massive chance—given the metabolic circumstances—that your liver is just going to kick gluconeogenesis into gear and convert that protein directly into glucose. At that point, it's being transported through your system exactly like any other sugar.

I’m currently running a keto diet, so for me, there is absolutely no room for whey protein or glucose in my regimen. It's a non-starter.
But when I'm cycling UH, this is how I handle my supplementation...
To be honest, I view PREWM and DURWM as essentially the same thing since I take them so gradually. I just save the PWM for the very end of my workout.
There are far too many people here lacking even the most fundamental knowledge. I’m not trying to offend anyone, but it would be incredibly beneficial if we could actually help one another with high-quality, common-sense advice that serves an educational purpose.
Everything is online now; most of what people ask is just a lazy copy-paste job. Honestly, just Google it and copy-paste the answer if you have to—at least that way you might actually learn something in the process.
It’s like being back in high school or sitting through a college lecture, trying to sneak a cheat sheet into an exam. You spend all that energy frantically scribbling notes onto a tiny scrap of paper just to get by, only to sit down for the test and realize you don't even need it. By the time you finished copying everything down, you had already memorized it.
Live healthy, stay fit, and train as hard as you can.
Cheers. 🙂

Could you really find no one else to talk to besides that "lamb" philosopher? He seems like a sharp kid—probably an MIT grad.
Alright, let me throw a quote your way then:

Nutritionism.

Darija Vranešić, B.S., The Vitamin Shoppe - nutritional consulting services

I hit the gym with one goal in mind: hypertrophy. My trainer suggested a specific post-workout stack—roughly 80g of glucose, 40g of whey protein, 5g of creatine, and 5g of glutamine (I grab my glucose from Vitamin Shoppe). The logic is straightforward: the glucose provides a rapid energy spike and triggers an insulin surge, which essentially acts as a shuttle to drive those other nutrients straight into the muscle cells. For the rest of the day, I stick to low-glycemic carbs and keep my protein intake at about 2g per kilogram of lean mass. To give you some context on my stats: I’m 21 years old, 6'3", 207 lbs, and sitting at around 12% body fat. I’ve been training consistently for three years now. I’ve been running this specific post-workout protocol for three months, and the results speak for themselves—my muscle gains have become noticeably more efficient.
I'm looking for some insight on this specific meal setup. Specifically, can consuming that much glucose at once actually take a toll on the pancreas?
I haven't seen any posts from Goran Š. yet.

Don't bother exceeding 1.5 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. For you, that caps out at 141 grams total. Pushing past that limit isn't some magic trick for muscle growth; it's just wasted effort. In fact, keeping your protein intake chronically high can actually backfire by straining your kidneys and liver, potentially leading to a toxic buildup of ammonia in your system. Your current body fat percentage is perfectly acceptable, but if your goal is to lean out while building muscle, don't let that number drop below six percent.
To maximize muscle glycogen synthesis, aim for 2 grams of carbohydrates per kilogram of body weight post-workout. A standard rule of thumb is to consume 100g of carbs within a 30-minute window following intense training. Adding five to nine grams of protein for every 100g of carbs helps balance insulin secretion and further supports muscle glycogen synthesis. Using pure glucose as your primary carb source might be a mistake; its high osmolality can trigger digestive issues. This is why most high-end sports drinks opt for maltodextrin, which offers significantly lower osmolality.
Creatine is a compound naturally found in meat and fish, frequently used as an athletic supplement, though people still debate its absolute efficacy and safety profile. Because creatine causes water retention, staying properly hydrated while supplementing is non-negotiable. I also suggest cycling off creatine for a few months periodically; the stores you build up during a month of supplementation will last you two or three months anyway.
Glutamine is an amino acid that has proven useful for athletes due to its positive impact on muscle mass and immune function, but keep in mind that a five-gram dose is just a small addition to your total daily protein requirement.

Someone could easily misinterpret a write-up like this and end up slamming 100g of pure glucose after a workout instead of a balanced carbohydrate blend.
We discuss this exact point here, but it looks like you misunderstood as well............................
Besides, if you actually believe that recovery speed for a recreational lifter depends primarily on glycogen replenishment, please explain the logic behind that.
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boldtinker1 said:I love how the newbies who just bought their first tub of protein act like it’s a life-altering decision whether they mix it with milk or water. My advice? Go ahead and buy a few gallons of milk. For those actually listening to veterans, check the bodybuilding forums—you'll see guys who have been training for decades swearing by water.

It’s precisely because people like you have brainwashed the masses that forums like this even exist—to serve as a guide for smarter training methods. Personally, I wish we saw more actual athletes or strength coaches posting here, though I'm starting to lose hope.
Take this one guy I know: he’s rocking about 260 lbs of pure muscle. He entered a competition once, and while his leg symmetry was a disaster, he still stepped up. Because of sheer ignorance, he ended up collapsing from dehydration. After talking to him a few times, it became clear he knows next to nothing about sports science, nutrition, or proper programming. He’s just massive because he lives in the gym year-round, follows whatever programs his trainers hand him, and happens to have elite genetics.
You don't look to someone like that for sound advice. Interestingly, he doesn't even bother with standard PWM whey plus glucose; instead, he relies on these complex, all-in-one meal replacement powders loaded with multi-component proteins, monosaccharides, polysaccharides, vitamins, and minerals. Some "expert" likely sold him on it...
The bottom line is this: just because someone looks like a pro bodybuilder doesn't mean you should blindly follow their lead.
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Ronald Cox96 said:100g? 😕That’s ridiculous—that's basically half the tub.

Look, half the tub would be 250 grams, but you'll find plenty of guys on the bodybuilding forums following this exact same logic.
It's the same old story: they read some random article online claiming you need a specific amount of glucose per kilo of body weight post-workout, and now everyone thinks it's gospel.
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William Miller3 said:You clearly have zero clue about nutrition or training, yet you're throwing around buzzwords like you own them.
Let me set you straight. If your goal is an aesthetic, shredded physique, you focus on higher rep ranges (15+). If you want raw mass, you stay in the 6-10 range. Most people run 4-6 sets depending on their personal preference and current fitness level. Furthermore, if you want that sculpted look, you need to hit cardio 2-4 times a week for at least 45 minutes; it’s only after about thirty minutes—once you've burned through the energy stores from your day—that your body actually starts tapping into fat reserves. Your other option is running on a treadmill for 40+ minutes. But above all else, diet dictates your look. Lowering carbs and bumping up protein is the key. Take candy bars, for instance; you won't see results if you aren't watching what you eat. And don't for a second think you'll get anywhere just by cutting calories without training, because your metabolism will eventually adapt and slow down.

You’re going on about having a sensitive stomach, so let me ask: have you ever even tried mixing protein with grapes? What kind of protein? You can find everything online—maybe your kids have spent more time using Google than you have, since you clearly haven't.
Even more critical is this: post-workout, you don't actually need protein as much as you need dextrose to facilitate the rapid recovery of torn muscle fibers. By the way, if you aren't sore tomorrow, you didn't train hard enough. That's my number one rule.

😕

Don't get offended, but you've spewed so much nonsense here that it isn't even worth commenting on.
The bolded part is just an example.
Bottom line: dextrose is vital for muscle recovery. We're talking about repairing microtrauma caused by training.
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William Miller3 said:Yeah. I put on some fat after using milk for a few months.
But what’s the actual issue here? It’s standard practice among recreational lifters (and let’s be honest, probably nobody on this entire forum is a pro) to mix whey protein isolate with dextrose and water right after a workout.
Dextrose (like the healthy stuff you find at Walgreens, $4.25) aids in rapid absorption. Otherwise, from what I've heard, you're supposed to consume proteins an hour or two beforehand if you aren't using glucose...
If the taste is gross, just add 12 to 14 ounces of water. Mixing it with dextrose should make the flavor intense rather than revolting—unless you've never eaten a single dessert in your life. It took me a little while to get used to it since I grew up eating pretty bland food.

How much milk were you drinking daily to gain fat, and was it low-fat?
Besides, we aren't all built the same way; you can't claim milk bothers everyone.
Now, please explain to me why recreational lifters insist on drinking whey with glucose immediately following a workout.
I know plenty of people who eat nothing but whole foods—like chicken and rice—after training, and they look better than those clueless kids who read on various foreign or domestic forums, bodybuilding magazines, or whey packaging that whey with glucose post-workout is mandatory.
Those kids have no idea what they're doing. They clearly don't realize that a massive amount of glucose actually slows down digestion due to its high osmolality. There are plenty of them dumping 100g of glucose into that shake right after a session when the stomach is extremely sensitive.
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wiredpilot30 said:I mix them with milk.☕ 😁

I do the same, but I eventually hit a wall where my stomach just won't handle it with milk anymore.
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Ronald Cox96 said:Alright, has anyone here actually noticed a tangible difference between mixing powder with water versus milk? Has anyone cycled through both—using water for a few months and then switching to milk—to say, "Yeah, water works better"? I want real, firsthand evidence, not some vague nonsense you read online.

I stuck with chocolate milk for about two or three months and didn't notice any muscle loss whatsoever, but I've cut out the milk now because I'm trying to drop some weight.