Joshua Gray75 said:I’m going to say this again—and I might just have to repeat myself a few more times if necessary:
Personally, I don't have an issue with the concept of movement restrictions themselves.
The real issue lies in the fact that applying these limitations based on municipal boundaries (that is, arbitrary administrative lines) is completely illogical and—if you really want to put it that way—disproportionate...
Article 16 of the Constitution states:
Rights and freedoms may only be restricted by law in order to protect the freedom and rights of others, the legal order, public morality, and health.
Any restriction of freedom or rights must be [B]proportionate to the nature of the need for such a restriction in each individual case.[/B]
Where exactly is the "proportionality" in this?
Restricting movement within a small suburb of 6km2 versus restricting it within a massive metropolitan area like Washington, D.C., which spans 640km2—I fail to see any "proportionate nature of the need" there—regardless of how one chooses to define it...
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You didn't exactly point out where in the Constitution it says you're the official benchmark for proportionality. Or, you know, that we should all be turning to you to ask what *you* personally think constitutes being reasonable.
Joshua Gray75 said:That bolded part is simply incorrect... though you basically answered your own mistake right below it.
It’s funny how you act like an expert on everything—only to drop something this nonsensical.
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Let me save you some time:
...c/p "it is prescribed that local income tax be paid at the rate determined by the municipality or city, and it belongs to the municipality or city within whose territory the taxpayer's residence or habitual abode is located"...
https://www.irs.gov/pub....aspx?id=18445
...and then, regarding that specific question they asked, he says:
Based on what we've been looking at here, if a taxpayer officially calls a place like Key West home but actually spends most of their time living somewhere else, things get a little more complicated regarding where they file. In the city where he works—which happens to be Chicago—his income tax is actually calculated based on where he officially resides. So, under the local rules there, he's looking at an 18% tax rate. So, basically, the withholding tax depends on where you're actually doing the work. It’s one of those things that can get a bit tricky if you're moving around, since your tax obligations follow your physical location.
Which part exactly isn't clicking for you? I could try sketching it out if that helps. Or, honestly, do you need a little help with reading comprehension?
So, what was I again? How did you put it? Frustrated? Honestly, that’s just a passing mood. It comes and goes. But stupidity... well, that's a different story entirely. A fool is a fool for life.
rustywalker42 said:Why don't you enlighten us with this imaginary law you're talking about?
No, it doesn't cover it. That decision says absolutely nothing about banning citizens from moving around.
Just look at who actually made that call. Congress didn't give the Headquarters any authority at all.
The Supreme Court will decide post festum. Classic. We'll see once the constitutional lawsuits start flying.
Man, how easily people just hand over their freedom. 🙏
Nicholas King was referring to this message:
Now tell us, oh brilliant legal expert, what kind of fine does someone get if they ignore the "order" regarding movement restrictions when they AREN'T in self-isolation?
You pay taxes based on where you work.
No, that's not true, but I'll wait until you dig yourself even deeper into the mud, and then I'll tear your arguments apart, just like usual. ☕
Don't you have an example that proves otherwise?
A few more.
That’s because you think you actually understand the law just because you claimed to have "read a lot about it." Newsflash: you haven't.
Oh, I see. You think you "know," but you clearly "know" better. Your supposed "expertise" is pretty obvious from how you respond to every single comment. Honestly, you're a total joke. You don't even understand basic laws.
So, you’re telling me you need gas for a car you don't even use? I mean, like you said yourself, you can't exactly get anywhere without it. So why? Why the hell is that necessary?
If you’re actually using moronic excuses like that to try and get a permit, then honestly? I’m not even surprised when they blow you off. Fuel... seriously?
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I just want you to be in that exact situation. That’s it. Nothing more, nothing less.
No.I'm sorry, I didn't catch that. What was that?Not him. Just one. Not plural—singular.
It’s called the Communicable Disease Act. This version has been sitting on the books for ages, and if you actually bother to look at Article 47 under Security Measures, it spells out exactly how much power the Secretary can wield. It's all right there in black and white.
I’ve already explained this a thousand times to these self-proclaimed "legal experts" who clearly learned everything they know from Google. But sure, every time some amateur like you pops up, you all start rehashing the exact same nonsense. Why do we keep running in circles?
If you actually studied law at one of our universities, then I’m suggesting they should just take your degree away.
A sad pokaži odluku ministra. I onda reci — what does that article even have to do with what’s actually happening on the ground?
So, Nicholas King was actually responding to another user who mentioned that he wouldn't even bother paying a fine if he were slapped with one. It wasn't really about the specifics of what the penalty would be or what it was for—nobody was digging into those details at all. Everything just kind of spiraled from his initial comment about how he personally wouldn't pay up.
Look, let's just stop with the fabrications. Please quit claiming I said someone would actually be slapped with a fine; that’s just not what happened. The whole conversation was really just a hypothetical look at what people might do to trigger a penalty in the first place. At the end of the day, you just pay it. You might settle it a little early, or a little late, or maybe the amount shifts up or down a bit, but that's the gist of it.
Heh, I think I know what you mean, but you "know." Your "knowledge" really shines through in your response to the guy who basically told you to get lost.
Man, I just love it when people start citing "intelligence" from someone who’s clearly just talking nonsense... as if that guy is some kind of genius.
You absolutely killed me with that comment 😁
So why don't you show us the Secretary's decision? And tell us how that specific article actually relates to what's happening on the ground right now.
The Secretary's decisions regarding movement restrictions?
Here’s the first one:
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/...03_35_737.htmlAnd here’s the update:
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/...04_39_833.htmlOf course, you could have found all this yourself, but you just decided to play the troll—acting oblivious to anything that doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to sell about things being unconstitutional.
Matthew Jackson2 said:I assume you’re referring to this specific section:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/information/...-is-isolation/
Basically, when they talk about "affected areas," they are referring to people arriving from foreign countries. It’s phrased a bit clumsily—likely because, at the time they wrote it, we didn't have specific domestic zones designated like this, or perhaps because certain regions were slated for special restrictions that effectively locked them down anyway.
The bottom line is this: if someone has been in direct contact with an infected individual, they are required to self-isolate and stay put, regardless of where they live or what kind of travel pass they hold.
If you happen to be in a part of the country experiencing widespread local transmission of the Corona virus, you aren't supposed to be moving around much anyway because those areas are essentially restricted (right now, places like Maui or certain coastal towns are seeing those kinds of measures).
And if you’re coming in from abroad, you have to isolate—which isn't really a point of contention for anyone.
So, if you are traveling legally toward your primary residence, there is absolutely no basis for forced isolation.
That portal serves as a central hub for information regarding legal practices within the European Union, designed so citizens from other countries can easily stay informed. They pull data from all the relevant sources: statutes, official interpretations, and established legal precedents.
From the points you've cited, it doesn't follow that living at separate addresses constitutes a termination of a marital union, nor have you provided a shred of evidence to support that claim. Your entire argument basically boils down to "trust me, I know." I'm sorry, but this conversation isn't going anywhere without actual arguments.
I suspect you see that particular look most often when you're staring into a mirror.
Actually, there is, because it clearly states it if you're coming from an area where local transmission has occurred. And that applies to the whole country.
Nothing in what you're citing implies that living at separate addresses means the end of a marriage, and you haven't provided any proof for that claim either. Your entire argument boils down to "trust me, I know." Sorry, but that isn't going to cut it without actual evidence.
I never said that it automatically meant a divorce. You seem to have forgotten where this discussion even started—it was the claims from forum users asking why married partners would have to live together, arguing that the law doesn't require them to share an address, so it should be perfectly fine for a husband and wife to have different addresses, even though it's causing issues for some people. That's where the debate kicked off.
I did say the law doesn't forbid it, but that the law implies they live together through its provisions.
It's just how life works, too. I mean, it's pretty standard to assume a husband and wife live under the same roof, right?
Then came the part where I mentioned that being separated for more than a year can serve as a legal basis for divorce. Not an annulment—which is what you were quoting regarding an agreement—but a divorce.
Edward Fisher86 said:I have zero interest in feeding the bottom feeders.
Stay stuck in your own narrow little bubble.
Since you don't even need gas for a car, because, as you put it yourself, you can't get anywhere from the middle of nowhere, why is it absolutely essential for you?
If people are citing things like that as reasons for a pass, I'm honestly not surprised when they get brushed off. Gas... seriously?
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This wasn't about me, but 🤦 🤦 🤦
Go ahead and call my neighborhood the middle of nowhere if you want; I'm heading to the nearest big grocery store, which I apparently have to visit ten times just to grab everything I need to last a while.
The important thing is that you have plenty of gas since you actually go places.
Eureka, there's your solution: forget the gas, they should just buy bicycles.🙏
I honestly don't get how anyone could call this "cheap" when it's a completely justified expense. It isn't about being lazy or trying to game some system just because someone thinks staying put is more profitable.
And while we're talking about gas money—how far do you actually drive to get to the store? How often are you out on the road just for groceries? Honestly, reading some of these posts makes it feel like everyone lives in tiny little towns where you burn through a full tank of gas every week just to hit the local corner shop and the pharmacy.