bluecyclist64 said:And you know, what actually disappoints me is that when I offered a greeting so dear to your heart, you didn't respond to "Slava Ukraini" with "death to fascism."
Fine, I'll admit I started typing "Heil Hitler" because that's the original version of the Ukrainian greeting, but I stopped myself in time once I realized that you, Bubimir, Papagaj, and several others still don't grasp that "Heil Hitler," "Slava Ukraini," and "for home" are all essentially the same thing—just different packaging.
If the Stepan Bandera whom Ukrainians celebrate was a hero and a patriot, then the same logic applies to Hitler, Mussolini, Pavelić, Mihajlović, and the Quisling types.
Honestly, this way of (not) thinking is foreign to me; whether it disappoints you or not is secondary.
Well, at least you don't have to explain why you find nothing wrong with a Nazi salute; the initial association is what matters, and we can just let the facts hang by a thread.
Instead of "the average informed person," we could comfortably write "an empty-headed ignoramus caught up in Western propaganda."
Look, you might find yourself quite comfortable in a world that’s increasingly bending its knee to the shallow and the uninformed, but for me, there’s a profound sadness in watching education and genuine intelligence be treated as liabilities rather than virtues. And no, I don't mean the issue of someone from the LGBTQ+ community feeling slighted because they identify as a transgender binary queer chimpanzee. My apologies—a transgender binary queer person with chimpanzee traits...
Bandera is a Nazi quisling, and honestly, Slava Ukraini is ZDS or HH; I really don't care, it's not like I'm particularly attached to that specific greeting.
What I actually have an issue with is when people try to delegitimize the Ukrainian people's resistance to aggression just because of Azov, Slava Ukraini, or Bandera. There's this attempt to focus exclusively on that. Meanwhile, fascism isn't acknowledged, the genocidal ideas that triggered this aren't recognized, and there's no mention of the Nazi and Islamist paramilitary trash that was sent to kill and loot across Ukraine, or sent specifically to assassinate the Ukrainian president.
Tens of thousands of people have fled to become refugees since the anti-imperialist Vozd began his de-nazification. It’s interesting how, until then, Ukraine—with all its bloodthirsty ultra-nationalists—was apparently a pretty pleasant place to live. Besides, most of those people already had the right to leave for Israel, a wealthy and advanced country, where they could have gotten citizenship immediately. Clearly, things weren't *that* bad, so that speaks volumes to me. Actually, it tells me more about Ukraine than you telling me about Bandera and Azov over and over again—all while these maniacs are leveling cities and shelling nuclear plants, which, from what I can see, doesn't bother you much.
And it's just great when, as an "antidote" to so-called Western propaganda, I'm offered meaningless anti-Western propaganda (mostly anti-USA). Every organized society on any corner of the planet is influenced by its own version of propaganda; I guess the folks on Sentinel are the only ones truly free in body and soul. But wherever there is a state, there is propaganda. The West only differs because it reached a level of development where it can serve it up in cellophane, without using force. And when I see all the black holes scattered across the planet, I'm actually grateful for that.
btw, manchild, Oz was a great show to me.
