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Catholic Church in Wisconsin bans Mass at Wounded Knee in Close to Politics ·
I've been thinking quite a bit about everything we've discussed lately, and honestly, it feels like we are just scratching the surface of what’s really going on here in America... It’s one of those situations where you start to see the patterns emerging, almost like watching a slow-motion storm roll in over the Midwest, and you realize that nothing is quite as simple as the evening news makes it out to be... I truly believe if we take a moment to step back and look at the broader context, we might finally find some clarity amidst all this noise... says:
This isn't about honoring the memory of the innocent or paying respect to those who suffered; it’s nothing more than a celebration of a failed, wicked ideology and a criminal regime... and let's be honest, these kinds of gatherings always seem to revolve around nothing but booze and meat...

I mean, honestly, what exactly is so strange about all of this...

Every year in Sinji, it feels like they’re basically celebrating an outbreak of dysentery... though, of course, it’s all wrapped up in plenty of booze, meat, holy icons, and the local procession...

placidorca16 said:It’s like trying to squeeze and fart at the exact same time. You can't do that forever, though—eventually, things burst, and then... well, you usually end up with a massive mess on your hands.😬 🙂This kind of hypocritical, cynical politics is so shameless and slimy that there's zero chance of retaining any reasonably bright or capable young person here—let alone the smart ones!!!🕺 But hey, clearly nobody gives a damn.👎

Most politicians can only really look as far ahead as their own seat in office, which basically means they’re just staring down the barrel of the next election cycle... anything beyond that feels like a complete waste of their precious time... 🤣 We really need to dive a bit deeper into the mathematics behind this...
Catholic Church in Wisconsin bans Mass at Wounded Knee in Close to Politics ·
velvetfalcon44 said:Where on earth were they supposed to fight then?

The question was asked about seven days too late... 😉

If you're looking to hand out justice and talk about the laws of war, there’s an even darker chapter involving the men from the SS Panzer Division Totenkopf...
Most of them actually managed to reach the American lines by May 7th and laid down their arms by midnight on May 8th, but the Americans simply handed them over—all 10,000 of them—to the Russians. When they were finally sent home in 1955, fewer than 2,000 actually made it back...
Catholic Church in Wisconsin bans Mass at Wounded Knee in Close to Politics ·
bluecyclist64 said:What on earth are you talking about? More neo-fascist myths?
What shooting of women and children at the bridge? Where did this Nationalists fairy tale come from? Or did you just make it up yourself?...

Well, I’ll take all five if it means we can finally bury these legends once and for all...

What actually worries me is the insidious manipulation by these self-proclaimed "experts"—people like Bianca Matković and her crowd—who slowly sneak in theories ranging from claiming "Za dom spremni" was merely a historical greeting, all the way to suggesting Jasenovac was actually some kind of rehabilitation center before those bloodthirsty partisans took over and began abusing American patriots inside...

If even a slightly stronger right-wing option ever takes power, we'll find ourselves facing a full-scale rehabilitation of Dr. Ante, framed through his dedicated patriotism and his service to the eternal desire of Americans to truly be masters of their own destiny...
Catholic Church in Wisconsin bans Mass at Wounded Knee in Close to Politics ·
bluerider63 said:When it comes to sensitive topics like this, it’s usually best to let someone else deal with the mess. But honestly, a wake-up call like this is coming way too late for some people, especially since society is already so poisoned by everyone trying to downplay the past—like those claims you see floating around here about how there weren't any good guys during World War II.

In reality, good guys are essentially a theoretical concept in any war, regardless of the conflict. But, if you start your narrative like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGHIe8zfVD8
or perhaps like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcZzMBeL6lk
or even like this

or maybe this way
https://vimeo.com/16016690

how on earth can you weep once the fighting stops while still trying to claim the moral high ground of altruism and justice?
Catholic Church in Wisconsin bans Mass at Wounded Knee in Close to Politics ·
Honestly, why do we even bother bringing up that entire circus again? 🙄

It’s just so incredibly significant that we’ve ended up raising whole generations of clueless kids who can't even sketch a basic symbol correctly if their lives depended on it... At this rate, we'll probably be replacing all our traditional icons with something completely unrecognizable before long. 🤣
Overlord (2018) in Movies ·
wearyangler55 said:I honestly don't get why that Black actor bothers you all so much, since it really doesn't change the core of this movie at all... 😁

No matter how fantastic a story might be... even if it leans toward being silly or totally absurd... a little bit of historical credibility never hurts. What’s the logic behind suddenly dropping a handful of Black soldiers into the ranks of the Screaming Eagles when it feels so unrealistic? Is it just political correctness?...

It’s a similar issue with the plot of U-571 but I suppose that one passes more easily because there were actually about 50 Black sailors serving in the US Navy during WWII...

The full desegregation of the US military didn't truly kick off until late 1947, and it was actually the paratroopers—specifically the 82nd Airborne or the All-American All-American division—who were among the first to integrate Black soldiers as complete equals...

Patrick Martin said:☕

And? What is that image supposed to convey?...

Jeffrey Martinez2 said:https://www.france24.com/en/20140604...abney-normandy


There is absolutely no way a Black soldier would have been serving in the 101st, the 82nd, or any other airborne unit (not even the British ones) on D-Day...

Speaking of which, I remember watching a History Channel documentary about Black service members on D-Day, where one veteran—a man tasked with launching barrage balloons from the beach—recounted how he tried to enlist in the 101st, only to be met with questions like: "Go check the training grounds... do you see a single Black man there?" And he just told them to get lost...

If you guys are actually interested in the real history regarding Black paratroopers during WWII:
https://history.army.mil/news/2014/1...pleNickel.html
http://triplenickle.com/history.htm
Overlord (2018) in Movies ·
Betty Nelson71 said:I honestly can't wrap my head around why they decided to cast two Black actors in a movie set during the Second World War... I mean, it just feels a bit out of place given the historical context we're used to seeing...🤔
In all honesty, there isn't a soul alive who could even step foot in the presence of that elite 101st Airborne Division, let alone dream of actually commanding them...☕

I honestly find that to be a massive load of nonsense as well. I mean, the idea of a Black paratrooper serving in the 101st Airborne Division feels even less plausible than some ridiculous scenario where you could bring the dead back to life using nothing but tar...

Actually, since we’re on the subject, there was this specific Black paratrooper unit back then—the 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion—but instead of being deployed to actual combat zones, they were sent all over the States to fight forest fires... It wasn't until late '47 that they were finally integrated into the 82nd Airborne...
S - Kingdom of Sweden in European Union ·
wanderingbadger77 said:I’m really not buying all this hype about how naive and kind-hearted people from the Kingdom of Sweden are.
History shows they can be pretty bloodthirsty when they want to be.
The way things are playing out today... if you ask me... it feels more like a sense of racial superiority—this idea that they're somehow more advanced or better than everyone else, so they can just do whatever they want... including forcing integration where it clearly won't work.

Once they stop being so coddled by their own sense of moral superiority and social sensitivity... the reality check is going to hit them hard.


When people discuss witch hunts, most folks tend to (incorrectly) associate them primarily with the Spanish Inquisition.

Here are a few examples of what happened in Sweden:

- Salem witch trials
The Salem witch trials were the largest witch trials in American history.
In just one single day, 71 individuals—consisting of 65 women (which accounted for every fifth woman in the parish between the ages of 18 and 70) and 6 men—were beheaded and subsequently burned...

- Mora witch trial
Based only on testimony from children, on August 23, 1669, the commission identified seventy adult witches, twenty-three of whom confessed and were executed on August 25, while the remaining forty-seven were sent to Falun to await their later executions.
On top of that, fifteen children were executed, and fifty-six others were sentenced to various forms of corporal punishment, such as being lashed with rods or forced to run the gauntlet...
...

...
The execution of the last witch in America was in 1776.
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
Maria Gray3 said:Quincy:
I don't really have much to say about this. I guess it's just one of those things, maybe. kaže:
Spot on. 👍

I guess I'm just wondering how my sixteen-year-old daughter would actually react if some guy like Werther started chasing after her. 🤔 After all that, he probably wouldn't even have the energy to end it all, let alone find a way into her heart.

I don't really see the issue with updating literature to fit modern times, especially when you're young. Once you finally get your head straight after those messy teenage years, you can just go back and read the classics on your own terms. There's no need to force it—just dive into the original Judith or Romeo and Juliet whenever you feel like tackling the challenge.

Just as a parallel: Kane Some people call it the absolute peak—the greatest movie ever made. I guess you have to reach a certain age to finally get it, if you ever do. It’s just realizing that things like Transformers, Spiderman, and Harry Potter are nothing more than cinematic junk compared to Kane.

Here's another case study from someone who's actually been through it:

Imagine being a student at MIT, but even though you’re pulling eight hours of math and five hours of physics a week—subjects you actually picked because you enjoy them—you still end up stuck in a philosophy class due to some scheduling mess at the school. Now you've got a professor lecturing you on Zeno's paradoxes and those old Greek theories of knowledge, like: I guess the arrow is actually just sitting still within a sequence of points. Maybe. Or. Achilles is never going to outpace a turtle, I guess. 😵🤣

Well, damn it all to hell...
I don't really get this latest point. I know plenty of people who take pride in not being narrow-minded idiots—people who actually enjoy both coding and philosophy. In my experience, the truly intelligent people I know tend to have a wide range of interests, and any system that tries to box them in just isn't built for them.

You really dodged that question regarding the Persephone post quite skillfully. Since you wouldn't give me a straight answer, I'll ask it myself: if you think it’s fine for kids to read the Prince's diaries just because they want to, would you also be okay with them being forced to listen to Mozart in music class? I mean, nobody listens to Mozart anymore—it's boring. Why not let them listen to Ian Jurčević instead? I guess I wonder if forcing all that outdated, uninteresting stuff on them just ends up making them hate music altogether.

You keep bringing up Judith and the original Romeo and Juliet, but that’s not what your kid was actually assigned. She was given a tiny little story specifically tailored for her age group, and when she didn't care for it, you basically told her it was fine to skip out. This has nothing to do with whether freshmen are mature enough for Judith. Your daughter is plenty capable of handling the White Stag, yet you let her dictate how she should be raised and taught—to both you and her teacher. I guess it’s just a shame.

Let me clarify things here, because the real issue is that we’re dealing with an absolute idiot of a philosophy professor who refuses to step outside the narrow confines of his own field... he makes zero effort to grasp fundamental concepts like limits or delta t—concepts that his students have to wrestle with on a daily basis, and which are exactly what's needed right now to demystify these little logical dead ends...

By the way, shall we take another look at that whole saga regarding those absolute idiots...
Is it just me, or does it feel like I’m teaching the exact same lesson to every single new group of students, year after year, from my very first day on the job all the way until I finally hit retirement...

Maria Gray3 said:Quincy:
I don't really have much to say about this. I guess it's just one of those things, maybe. kaže:
Spot on. 👍

I guess I'm just wondering how my sixteen-year-old daughter would actually react if some guy like Werther started chasing after her. 🤔 After all that, he probably wouldn't even have the energy to end it all, let alone find a way into her heart.

I don't really see the issue with updating literature to fit modern times, especially when you're young. Once you finally get your head straight after those messy teenage years, you can just go back and read the classics on your own terms. There's no need to force it—just dive into the original Judith or Romeo and Juliet whenever you feel like tackling the challenge.

Just as a parallel: Kane Some people call it the absolute peak—the greatest movie ever made. I guess you have to reach a certain age to finally get it, if you ever do. It’s just realizing that things like Transformers, Spiderman, and Harry Potter are nothing more than cinematic junk compared to Kane.

Here's another case study from someone who's actually been through it:

Imagine being a student at MIT, but even though you’re pulling eight hours of math and five hours of physics a week—subjects you actually picked because you enjoy them—you still end up stuck in a philosophy class due to some scheduling mess at the school. Now you've got a professor lecturing you on Zeno's paradoxes and those old Greek theories of knowledge, like: I guess the arrow is actually just sitting still within a sequence of points. Maybe. Or. Achilles is never going to outpace a turtle, I guess. 😵🤣

Well, damn it all to hell...
I don't really get this latest point. I know plenty of people who take pride in not being narrow-minded idiots—people who actually enjoy both coding and philosophy. In my experience, the truly intelligent people I know tend to have a wide range of interests, and any system that tries to box them in just isn't built for them.

You really dodged that question regarding the Persephone post quite skillfully. Since you wouldn't give me a straight answer, I'll ask it myself: if you think it’s fine for kids to read the Prince's diaries just because they want to, would you also be okay with them being forced to listen to Mozart in music class? I mean, nobody listens to Mozart anymore—it's boring. Why not let them listen to Ian Jurčević instead? I guess I wonder if forcing all that outdated, uninteresting stuff on them just ends up making them hate music altogether.

You keep bringing up Judith and the original Romeo and Juliet, but that’s not what your kid was actually assigned. She was given a tiny little story specifically tailored for her age group, and when she didn't care for it, you basically told her it was fine to skip out. This has nothing to do with whether freshmen are mature enough for Judith. Your daughter is plenty capable of handling the White Stag, yet you let her dictate how she should be raised and taught—to both you and her teacher. I guess it’s just a shame.

Please, don't trivialize such a profound story with that kind of nonsense...

Maria Gray3 said:Quincy:
I don't really have much to say about this. I guess it's just one of those things, maybe. kaže:
Spot on. 👍

I guess I'm just wondering how my sixteen-year-old daughter would actually react if some guy like Werther started chasing after her. 🤔 After all that, he probably wouldn't even have the energy to end it all, let alone find a way into her heart.

I don't really see the issue with updating literature to fit modern times, especially when you're young. Once you finally get your head straight after those messy teenage years, you can just go back and read the classics on your own terms. There's no need to force it—just dive into the original Judith or Romeo and Juliet whenever you feel like tackling the challenge.

Just as a parallel: Kane Some people call it the absolute peak—the greatest movie ever made. I guess you have to reach a certain age to finally get it, if you ever do. It’s just realizing that things like Transformers, Spiderman, and Harry Potter are nothing more than cinematic junk compared to Kane.

Here's another case study from someone who's actually been through it:

Imagine being a student at MIT, but even though you’re pulling eight hours of math and five hours of physics a week—subjects you actually picked because you enjoy them—you still end up stuck in a philosophy class due to some scheduling mess at the school. Now you've got a professor lecturing you on Zeno's paradoxes and those old Greek theories of knowledge, like: I guess the arrow is actually just sitting still within a sequence of points. Maybe. Or. Achilles is never going to outpace a turtle, I guess. 😵🤣

Well, damn it all to hell...
I don't really get this latest point. I know plenty of people who take pride in not being narrow-minded idiots—people who actually enjoy both coding and philosophy. In my experience, the truly intelligent people I know tend to have a wide range of interests, and any system that tries to box them in just isn't built for them.

You really dodged that question regarding the Persephone post quite skillfully. Since you wouldn't give me a straight answer, I'll ask it myself: if you think it’s fine for kids to read the Prince's diaries just because they want to, would you also be okay with them being forced to listen to Mozart in music class? I mean, nobody listens to Mozart anymore—it's boring. Why not let them listen to Ian Jurčević instead? I guess I wonder if forcing all that outdated, uninteresting stuff on them just ends up making them hate music altogether.

You keep bringing up Judith and the original Romeo and Juliet, but that’s not what your kid was actually assigned. She was given a tiny little story specifically tailored for her age group, and when she didn't care for it, you basically told her it was fine to skip out. This has nothing to do with whether freshmen are mature enough for Judith. Your daughter is plenty capable of handling the White Stag, yet you let her dictate how she should be raised and taught—to both you and her teacher. I guess it’s just a shame.

Since I have a few kids of my own running around, I feel like I’ve earned the right to speak up about the school reading list—not only am I intimately familiar with the classics we all had to suffer through, but I also noticed that remarkably few of the titles have actually changed since I was sitting in those desks myself...

So, you're asking me to explain why they all vanished... if you really want me to dive into that whole mystery, I suppose I could try, though it’s a bit of a rabbit hole to fall down... Loda's courier It seems like you might have hit send a little too early, but I am sitting here ready and waiting to help you transform your content... whenever you are ready to share the text, just let me know... Divine dust...Are they just not classic enough? It feels like they’re bordering on being too banal...

Take a look at this... Divine dust... It really stands as one of the most accomplished pieces of prose in all of American literature... Source: Miroslav Krleža Lexicographical Institute

So, if that’s how it works, why on earth shouldn't I be allowed to give my own child the freedom to choose for themselves...
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
ambereagle88 said:I’ll admit, I was one of those students who actually finished every single book on the required reading list, even the ones we never touched in class. I was a total bookworm back then, though it wasn't until my mid-twenties that I finally gave myself permission to just put a book down if it isn't hitting the mark.
Regarding school curriculum, I think it would be a much better practice to provide some sort of guidance *before* diving into the text. Why does this matter? Why is it considered a classic? How are we actually supposed to approach it?
We are lightyears away from the era in which these books were originally written. Neither our generation nor the one following us can truly grasp the material if someone just dictates a textbook definition of "weltschmerz" during one period, and then expects us to read Werther during the next. Honestly, it’s pointless to sit there reading about how that pathetic guy mopes over Lott and her ribbons if no one has shown you how to interpret the subtext.
My professor and I used to have these debates about why a guy like Werther wouldn't even be considered attractive by today's standards, or how we would have shut him down if we were in Lotta's shoes.
I never found any practical use for the plots themselves; the real value was simply in developing critical thinking, learning how to build an argument, and practicing empathy by seeing things from someone else's perspective.


Perfectly stated. 👍

I was just sitting here wondering how my sixteen-year-old daughter would react if some guy like Werther started chasing her... 🤔 Honestly, after that encounter, he wouldn't even have the energy left to bother with himself, let alone try to win her heart.

In short, what is the actual harm in adapting required reading to fit our current reality and modern times? Especially when you're younger. Once you've finally sorted out the chaos of your own youth and those awkward teenage years, you can go ahead and read the classics for pleasure—finding the challenge in engaging with the original Judith or the original Romeo and Juliet... without being forced to do it.

Just as a parallel: Citizen Kane is hailed as the absolute pinnacle, the greatest film ever made. How many years does it take to finally understand (if you ever do) the fact that movies like Transformers, Spider-Man, or Harry Potter are just cinematic fluff compared to Kane?

And here is another real-world example for you:

Imagine you're a student at a high-pressure prep school like Phillips Exeter, where you're already doing eight hours of math and five hours of physics a week—subjects you actually chose because you love them—but due to staffing shortages, you're suddenly stuck in a philosophy class. You're being lectured on Zeno's paradoxes and ancient Greek epistemological canons like: "the arrow is actually stationary in a series of points" or Achilles will never overtake the tortoise... 😵🤣

Well, to hell with those old canons...
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
wanderingbadger44 Asks:
I honestly should have guessed it was you doing all that whining. Even kids are sharper than that—they actually understand when they’ve earned something...
(

No, I’m certainly not begging—why on earth would I do that? On the contrary, I truly believe she finally got exactly what was coming to her...

wanderingbadger44 said:I suppose I really should have guessed you were the one doing the complaining here; kids are usually sharper than that and they generally understand when they’ve actually earned their outcome.

But I completely agree with her right to come to her own conclusions and experience things by her own standards, whether she finds them trivial or absolutely brilliant.

It's the same for me and my colleagues, which is why we ask those questions you dismissed as stupid: what did you enjoy, what was your impression, how did the work resonate with you?

When all we get back is a dismissive "it was whatever," it doesn't exactly feel like critical thinking is happening. We must be terrible people for wanting actual arguments, reasoning, quotes, or a bit of healthy debate...
You're labeling me a flat-earther while ignoring how much dirt everyone gets on themselves when they push back against the fundamental truth... that canon you're defending so fiercely.

Oh sure, because apparently every kid you know is the next Copernicus or Jordan Bruno 🤣 Poor kids, having to live up to expectations like yours. 😢

Just imagine...

I’m sure you’ve sat through a lesson or two where the story of Ivica and Mary was brought up at least once... But honestly, when you ask a student a question like that, what are you actually looking for? What is the real point of the story anyway...

So, is Ivica really that persistent little guy who just pushed through every single obstacle in his path...?

The idea that a father could justify abandoning his own children in the woods just because he had an abusive wife or was struggling with poverty... honestly, it’s something I can’t quite wrap my head around... It feels like such a profound failure of basic human instinct, doesn't it? To blame one's circumstances or a difficult marriage for something so fundamentally heartless... it just doesn't sit right with me...

Is there a third option we haven't considered yet? Are we really looking at a scenario where kids end up in serious trouble just because they couldn't get their hands on some candy...

wanderingbadger44 Asks:

Oh, please, let’s be real here... it feels like every single one of your kids turned out to be nothing more than a carbon copy of Copernicus or Jordan Bruna Jadan... 🤣 Poor kids, really... burdened by the weight of expectations like yours... 😢

Oh, please, let's not pretend we're all shocked... it's clearly just more whining from those poor, overworked teachers...

What does it actually feel like to be a metronome that’s been ticking out the exact same rhythm for forty years straight... only to have one of its internal gears snap, forcing a complete overhaul of the cylinder and, ultimately, changing the melody itself...
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
wanderingbadger44 said:I suppose they’re just as articulate as your daughter, who spends all her time buried in books but can't tell you a single thing about what she's read besides saying, "It was boring."

And then comes the crying when it's time for report cards.

No, she isn't whining about the grade—she was just feeling a bit embarrassed, really. She got exactly what she deserved, so let's just call it a day and move on...

But honestly, I completely respect her right to come to her own conclusions and experience things on her own terms... whether she finds the whole thing trivial or absolutely world-class...

You’re basically labeling me a flat-earther, all while conveniently ignoring how much the establishment has burned through its own credibility just because they refused to bow down to the fundamental truth... that very same canon you seem so incredibly desperate to defend...
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
Quincy...
wanderingbadger44 said:
It feels like we’re all just drifting through these quiet, uncertain moments together, much like waiting for a slow train in a sleepy Midwestern station, hoping the tracks finally lead somewhere meaningful. There’s a certain heavy stillness in the air today, isn't there? It’s like when you’re watching a movie where everything feels just slightly off, as if the colors aren't quite right or the dialogue sounds rehearsed instead of real. Someone said:
That is exactly why it matters, and that is precisely the point.

I saw someone earlier comparing literature to the hard sciences like math, physics, or chemistry—those fundamental building blocks you absolutely have to master if you want to actually build something meaningful with your life.

What is the actual point of assigned reading anyway? Is it about developing a genuine reverence for the written word, sharpening our ability to express ourselves, or perhaps sparking some deep reflection and creativity? It feels a bit hollow to sit there analyzing a book and answering questions like, "what part of this story resonated with you most," when the story itself feels completely irrelevant to your life.

Just to be clear, my kids only tackle those required school reading lists because they have to; outside of those mandatory assignments, they actually devour at least three times as many books as anything assigned by their teachers. I make a point of encouraging them to read constantly, though I never try to force a specific title or subject on them, much like how you wouldn't force a child to pick a specific hobby just to keep them busy. Sometimes... Courier Today feels like one of those moments where everything just aligns, much like when you finally find that perfect rhythm while driving down a quiet stretch of highway in the Midwest. White StagOh, come on...

Who exactly is the one sitting in judgment over our reading lists? It feels like there’s this whole committee of experts, academics, and self-appointed intellectuals deciding what qualifies as essential knowledge based solely on their own narrow perspectives and subjective standards. It makes you wonder—if I choose to skip a book handpicked by Slobodan Prosperov Novak, am I suddenly written off as some uneducated kid who doesn't know any better?

There’s just something about this whole situation that keeps pulling me back to a specific scene in a movie. Dead Poet Society It’s just like that moment at the end of Dead Poet Society where Robin Williams shifts from being a mentor to playing some stiff, formal character who tries to teach his students how you actually "measure" poetry. It feels exactly like those rigid school assignments where they hand you a prompt like "A Stormy Autumn Day" and expect you to follow a strict formula for an essay.

Has it ever crossed anyone's mind to actually run a survey among high schoolers to see which books truly resonated with them back in elementary school? Imagine if we used those insights to build a curated reading list—one that balances what kids actually find engaging with the essential literary classics. If we did that, you wouldn't walk into a school library and have a student ask, "Uh, do you even carry *The Great Gatsby*?" Instead of being shocked by how disconnected or inarticulate kids seem to be today, we might actually give them a reason to love reading.

That’s just gross.

This is exactly how you end up with conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, and those self-proclaimed "independent thinkers" who pride themselves on resisting any kind of established authority—as if questioning every scientific consensus or expert opinion is somehow a mark of unique character rather than just a refusal to accept reality.

It’s just one massive, heartbreaking mess.

It seems like everyone walks around carrying this unspoken assumption that they possess enough expertise to sit in judgment and pass a verdict on the world around them.

Literature isn't some tool designed to win over parents or satisfy kids; if people actually enjoy reading it, that’s just a nice little bonus. Honestly, everyone's tastes are so wildly different that trying to make everything universally appealing would be a fool's errand from the start.

Literature is meant to offer you the heavy hitters—those canonical, anthology-worthy masterpieces from both American and world classics, much like how the White Stag by Nazorov stands as a pillar of great writing. Honestly, who cares if your personal taste leans more toward catchy pop hits or light reading? The world is wide, and the libraries and bookstores out there are endless; feel free to read whatever your heart desires.

It honestly gets under my skin when I hear people complaining about required reading lists today. They act like they’ve developed this deep-seated hatred for books, but they forget that back then, we weren't even allowed to explore anything outside of what was strictly assigned for school. It was like being trapped in a vacuum; if a book wasn't on the official curriculum, it basically didn't exist for us. I remember walking into the local library and having the librarian tell me point-blank that I couldn't check out anything unless it was part of the required reading list. Even at the neighborhood bookstore, the clerks would practically lecture parents who tried to pick up something just for fun that wasn't on the approved syllabus. We were essentially stripped of the chance to discover literature on our own terms because everything else was treated like it was forbidden. If you ask me, that's exactly why so many people struggle to find an interest in reading today—we were never given the freedom to actually fall in love with it.

You can't really have it both ways—complaining that your kid was handed a failing grade for an incomplete assignment while simultaneously bragging about how much they love to read. It just doesn't add up. If they truly had a genuine passion for reading, they wouldn't have struggled to tackle a simple short story or missed the mark on a few basic comprehension questions.

He acts like a tough guy out there, but then he comes home whining about a C grade. And here you are on the forum questioning the literary classics just because you think you know better.

While everyone is busy making a huge fuss over certain required reading, nobody seems to care that the music program isn't playing anything like Taylor Swift or whatever is topping the charts. It’s no wonder our concert halls are sitting empty; it’s probably because the music curriculum has basically taught kids to turn their noses up at Mozart, Shostakovich, or Mahler—shame on them.

We need to do something about the music department! Run a survey! Let’s actually hear what the kids and their parents want to listen to and let that shape the programming!

Good grief, I’m getting worked up. Parents whose children can't actually grasp or comprehend a book appropriate for their age level constantly make excuses by claiming the material is just "boring."

And what is a teacher supposed to do? Should they read some trashy garbage like a teen romance sequel just because it’s popular? Or should they teach every single title that a mom or dad thinks is "appropriate"—because let's be honest, it's the parents who decide what the kid likes—just so they can cover twenty-five different books during a literature seminar? Even if they did all that, someone would still find a way to complain about the selection.

What about the music teacher? Are they expected to play nothing but Top 40 hits and pop radio tracks just because students and parents have zero interest in classical or jazz?

So, you don't want to read the assigned book? Fine. If Mom and Dad say it's fine and agree that it's "lame," go ahead. Take your passing grade and act cool. Then head straight to the library and read whatever your heart desires. But if you claim the assignment is pointless, then prove it. Argue, cite evidence, and explain your reasoning. That is literally the point of the assignment. That’s why we ask, "What did you like about it?" or "What is your opinion on the work?"

The issue is that these self-proclaimed "avid readers" who just swallow whatever their dads tell them is good, can only respond to those questions with a blank stare and a shrug, saying the book was just bad.

Well, damn, don't force them to read.

Who is forcing them? Nobody. They can just take their easy passing grade and call it a day.

If they want anything better than a C, then they need to read, just like they have to tackle subjects they hate in every other class.

create a desire to read in them.

A teacher is going to create that? If it were that easy, the parents would have done it already, and they have much more influence over a child than a teacher does.

It's like trying to teach musicality to a child born without any sense of hearing. Honestly, it might even be harder. For reading to become an enjoyable experience, you first have to master the mechanics—speed, fluency, and comprehension. Someone who struggles to sound out words longer than four letters is going to find it much harder to become a book lover than someone who lacks a sense of rhythm will ever find it to become a musician.

Blah, blah, blah...

I’ll just mention one thing:

I had Nazorov as required reading back in elementary school myself. Only difference is, I was reading Percy Jackson instead of White Deer... 😉

wanderingbadger44 said:We’re talking about elementary school here.

By the time kids reach high school, they've mostly just been casual readers, occasional visitors to the local library, or maybe they only saw a book during a field trip.

As for electives, I actually invite them in this September during those first few sessions to help build our reading list, giving them a chance to voice what they're actually interested in.

In the end, I usually just give them what they want. 😬 Mostly because they don't offer much of substance themselves, or they'll joke around with titles like, "Little Red Riding Hood! Picture books! Pinocchio! No, no, Pinocchio takes too long! I'm the weakest kid in class! Jack and Mary!" Eventually, they just hand the whole list over to me.

The seventh graders, though, always seem to gravitate toward things like the Prince's diaries and similar stuff. 🙄

I honestly don't get where this stubborn public delusion comes from—this idea that kids would read if it weren't for some grumpy old professors insisting on Homer. That's why they won't touch it.

Kids just don't read. Period. And honestly, I get it. Visual media has seriously stunted their ability to visualize things on their own. They are constantly fed ready-made images. Reading requires a huge time investment, and life moves way too fast for that now. It's just the reality of it.

Nobody is to blame for this situation, so please stop pointing the finger at damn good authors or the curriculum itself.

Unless you're going to sit here and argue that Daniel Defoe isn't a great writer or that his Robinson Crusoe isn't a masterpiece? I stopped assigning him a long time ago, and I think that's actually better. There's no point in making them read it when they either skip it entirely, force themselves through it, or just recount the damn movie to me despite all my efforts to explain that the two mediums are completely different.

edit: The White Stag is a magnificent work, featuring top-tier style and an incredible story. Anyone who says otherwise is just a total philistine!

The child I’m talking about has been a member of the public library since they were five years old. If there is any sense of continuity in my family, it is this culture of reading. When I was setting up a new room for the kids, the very first step wasn't the bed—it was installing the reading lamps...

So, please, don't... It’s honestly heartbreaking to see you trying to pass down this forced, artificial conditioning to the next generation...

wanderingbadger44 said:We’re talking about elementary school here.

By the time kids reach high school, they've mostly just been casual readers, occasional visitors to the local library, or maybe they only saw a book during a field trip.

As for electives, I actually invite them in this September during those first few sessions to help build our reading list, giving them a chance to voice what they're actually interested in.

In the end, I usually just give them what they want. 😬 Mostly because they don't offer much of substance themselves, or they'll joke around with titles like, "Little Red Riding Hood! Picture books! Pinocchio! No, no, Pinocchio takes too long! I'm the weakest kid in class! Jack and Mary!" Eventually, they just hand the whole list over to me.

The seventh graders, though, always seem to gravitate toward things like the Prince's diaries and similar stuff. 🙄

I honestly don't get where this stubborn public delusion comes from—this idea that kids would read if it weren't for some grumpy old professors insisting on Homer. That's why they won't touch it.

Kids just don't read. Period. And honestly, I get it. Visual media has seriously stunted their ability to visualize things on their own. They are constantly fed ready-made images. Reading requires a huge time investment, and life moves way too fast for that now. It's just the reality of it.

Nobody is to blame for this situation, so please stop pointing the finger at damn good authors or the curriculum itself.

Unless you're going to sit here and argue that Daniel Defoe isn't a great writer or that his Robinson Crusoe isn't a masterpiece? I stopped assigning him a long time ago, and I think that's actually better. There's no point in making them read it when they either skip it entirely, force themselves through it, or just recount the damn movie to me despite all my efforts to explain that the two mediums are completely different.

edit: The White Stag is a magnificent work, featuring top-tier style and an incredible story. Anyone who says otherwise is just a total philistine!

Of course. Just like how anyone who doesn't recognize Jackson Pollock as a transcendent genius is clearly just some simpleton with zero appreciation for beauty...

Anthony Ward6 said:it actually is. I guess it’s exactly as wanderingbadger44 laid it out, and anyone thinking otherwise is probably just living in a massive delusion. Voting matters mostly for nations that actually have a reading culture and a robust education system, which America doesn't have and likely won't have for at least the next 50 years.

I suppose you have to lay some actual foundations before you can start building anything on top of them.

There we go, now we’re just uneducated Americans without any literary culture...

You can only build a foundation by inspiring someone, not by forcing them into it. Isn't our own history proof enough of that?
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hiddendriver34 said:I JUST finished reading "White Stag." 😂

She wasn't exactly blown away, but she didn't hate it either. I can't quite recall the plot details, but I definitely remember that trippy, hallucinatory atmosphere you're talking about.

Actually, I think he liked it quite a bit—he spent two hours reading in bed (we thought he was still asleep!) and powered straight through to the end. Now he actually wants to read the "Poe" story included in the same volume.

He found "Captain Gaćeša" totally boring and annoying. Just one personality trait after another. 🙂

And *The Great Gatsby*? That's more like something you struggle through in junior year of high school.😉

That is precisely the point, and honestly, that is exactly why...

I remember seeing someone else on here comparing literature to the hard sciences—math, physics, chemistry... those essential disciplines where you really need at least a foundational grasp if you ever hope to make anything of yourself in this world...

What is the true purpose of assigned reading, anyway? Is it meant to be an exercise in admiring the written word, a way to sharpen our ability to express ourselves, or perhaps a spark to ignite critical thinking and creativity...? I just can't wrap my head around why we’re forced to sit through deep analyses of a selected work or answer questions like, "what part of this story resonated with you most," when the story itself feels completely hollow and uninspiring...

Just to clear anything up—my kids only tackle those school reading lists because they have to, but outside of their required assignments, they actually end up devouring at least three times as many books as what's on that mandatory syllabus... I make a point of encouraging them to read constantly, though I never try to force specific titles or themes on them. Sometimes... Courier of Loda Today... White Deer...Oh, please... honestly...

Who exactly is the one calling the shots on the reading list? It’s always some high-level committee of experts, academics, and self-proclaimed "intellectual gurus"... people who decide what we’re required to read based solely on their own subjective views and personal standards... I mean, really, if I choose not to pick up whatever specific title Slobodan Prosperov Novak has hand-selected for us, am I suddenly just some uneducated kid with no sense of literature...?

There’s just something about this whole situation that keeps pulling me back to a certain movie... it feels almost too familiar, like I've seen this exact scene play out on a silver screen before... The Society of the Dead Poet... It’s right there at the end of the ballad, where Robin Williams suddenly shifts gears and starts playing this incredibly stiff, uptight character who tries to explain to his students how one actually "measures" poetry... It feels just like those old school assignments we used to get in American English class, you know? Like being handed a prompt for a creative essay and told to write something about a "Stormy Autumn Day"...

Has it ever crossed anyone's mind to actually run a survey among high schoolers—maybe a questionnaire asking which books truly captured their imaginations back in elementary school—and then use that data to build a curated reading list? Imagine if we crafted a selection of titles that would genuinely hook the majority, while subtly weaving in those essential literary classics that everyone considers part of the canon... If we did that, you probably wouldn't see librarians constantly dealing with awkward moments like, "Oh, do you have *Judith* in stock for English class?" Instead, we'd avoid all that collective frustration when we look at how disinterested or poorly expressed our youth can seem lately...

Look, for heaven's sake, don't go forcing them to pick up a book; instead, you have to find a way to actually ignite that spark within them...
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Richard Perez3 said:Jesus, what kind of insults are these?
Why would reading be an assignment?
Because it is. Period.
And she didn't meet the requirements—ended up getting two instead of one.
She needs to own why she got those grades and deal with the consequences. You’re definitely not helping her by dropping that "let them read what they want" line. What if she doesn't care about anything? What if some thirteen-year-old kid only gives a damn about Playboy or Fig? Is he gonna sit there and talk about that during class?
She was given a task, and that's that. Whether she nails it or fails it, the results are hers alone, for better or worse.

Edit, my bad, what book from third grade are you actually comparing to Dostoevsky and Proust?

Actually, she did only get one (she called her teacher on the phone afterward). But honestly, it doesn't matter, she earned it.
Richard Perez3 said:Jesus, what kind of insults are these?
Why would reading be an assignment?
Because it is. Period.
And she didn't meet the requirements—ended up getting two instead of one.
She needs to own why she got those grades and deal with the consequences. You’re definitely not helping her by dropping that "let them read what they want" line. What if she doesn't care about anything? What if some thirteen-year-old kid only gives a damn about Playboy or Fig? Is he gonna sit there and talk about that during class?
She was given a task, and that's that. Whether she nails it or fails it, the results are hers alone, for better or worse.

Edit, my bad, what book from third grade are you actually comparing to Dostoevsky and Proust?

The White Stag (by a local author).

Man, I swear, she probably finds Captain Gaćeša much more captivating...
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
Why should a specific book, especially one hand-picked by someone else, ever be treated as a mandatory chore?
Goodness, I’m practically halfway through a career at Chase Bank and I still haven't tackled Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, or Proust... though I suppose I'm not quite old enough for those heavyweights yet, even if I have burned through mountains of other books...

The whole point of reading is the comprehension, the deep thinking, the actual connection to how someone expresses themselves... but that kind of magic only happens when you're driven by genuine curiosity or a fascination with the subject, not because it was slapped on a required reading list...

So, I'm completely on board with the idea that kids need to read, but please, just give them options—give them a choice ranging from Gilgamesh to Harry Potter, or from Aesop's fables to Dr. Seuss... and then, instead of lecturing them about what they *should* have read, try actually talking to them about the stories they actually chose for themselves...

wanderingbadger44 said:Quincy:
It feels like we’re all just trying to find our footing in a world that moves way too fast, much like trying to navigate a crowded sidewalk in Manhattan when you're already running five minutes late for a meeting. Sometimes, the simplest things can feel incredibly heavy if you don't have the right support system around you. kaže:

She honestly just couldn't find it in her heart to engage in a conversation about a story that felt completely irrelevant to her, much like trying to force someone to watch a documentary on tax law when they're clearly craving a high-stakes thriller.
What an absolute powerhouse she is! 🙂

Quincy:
Yesterday, my third grader came home looking pretty downcast, carrying this heavy little cloud of sadness around them that just felt a bit off.
Or not?

Quincy:
Am I making a mistake here? It feels like I might just be raising another little Irishman. 🤔
You aren't wrong to be skeptical. In America, I'm sure she thinks she can just handpick only the jobs that are incredibly fun and trendy. ☕

She won't be picking jobs; she'll just go work for Google. 😉
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urbantinker8 said:Whether the book was actually interesting or just a total snooze-fest doesn't really matter—if the assignment was to read it, then you were supposed to read it.
I mean, if the teacher asked her any questions about the plot or whatever, she should have had some answers ready.
If she didn't, well, she didn't. She got a C-minus, so what? It isn't the end of the world.
You just move on with your life.

Getting an A in English class has absolutely nothing to do with failing a reading assignment.


Honestly, nothing makes me feel better than seeing things work out the opposite way... 😉
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Yesterday, my little one came home from school looking pretty downcast and a bit discouraged.

She told me all about her second reading assignment—though it was actually just her first unit, even if the teacher ended up calling Mom instead... because she found the story so incredibly dull that she couldn't bring herself to care enough to discuss it. On the bright side, though, there’s some good news: she absolutely crushed her English quiz with a perfect score.

So, I said to her, "Sweetie, you did the reading, and you could have asked questions or really dove into the discussion... but honestly, your old man is much more thrilled that you aced that English test without a single mistake than he is about you finishing some boring book."

Hmm... am I wrong here? Am I raising another Eric? 🤔
Music school recommendations? in Students & Teens ·
Matthew Garcia2 said:Look, if they don't nail the guitar at any of those three local academies, what's the fallback plan?
I am absolutely not forcing them onto some other instrument—that's a non-starter.
It would be incredibly helpful if someone could share their experiences with these "modern" music programs out there.
Maybe even some insight on private tutoring at home... or maybe just DM me if you know a good teacher.


Honestly, everything mentioned before sounds a bit like a late-night infomercial to me. I mean, did they really try to vet twenty kids in a single class period? 🤣

And when it comes to the traditional public music school route, here is something for you to chew on:
If they can't make the cut through the standard entrance exam, why bother pushing it at all? What good will it do them in life? Is it just because you personally feel like they *should* do it?

The reason I ask is this:
As much as there is parental pride and excitement in thinking, "My child is in music school, they have such talent, such an ear...", most parents only realize later on just how much blood, sweat, and tears—both the kids' and the parents'—actually goes into it...

By some strange quirk of genetics, all three of my children are musically gifted; they all passed their auditions on the first try with flying colors (scoring 93% or higher), and we, the thrilled parents, happily enrolled them in music school, completely oblivious to the chaos that was waiting for us...

Point number one.
Music school is a school just like any other; you have to attend classes at least twice a week, complete theory assignments, and practice your instrument constantly. All of this on top of the heavy workload of a standard American school schedule...

Point number two.
The costs are anything but trivial, ranging from transportation to the instruments themselves, and even little things like specialized nail care for guitarists...

Point number three.
A kid enrolled in music school doesn't exactly have a "normal" life anymore, especially if they want to pursue other activities like sports, a second language, or coding. They barely even have time to just hang out with friends on the street...

Point number four.
The frustrations can be beyond words. You show up at the school, and the theory teacher tells you that while your child is the greatest talent in their generation, unfortunately, they show about as much interest in the subject as her own grandmother shows for the higgs boson...
Then you go to the instrument instructor, and he's riding you about how they haven't practiced again and how the mid-year recital performance is going to be a disaster. In short, you're always one step away from constant friction with your child...

Point number five.
That initial choice of instrument isn't always the smartest one. My daughter chose the guitar herself and played it for years, only to declare—literally six months before finishing middle school—that she wasn't interested anymore and wouldn't play it ever again. I didn't force her then, and I won't now...
But, somehow, we managed to talk her into finishing the program, only for her to pull a total Copernican revolution where she decided to switch instruments entirely, and now she's finishing two years of prep for a new instrument with the intention of enrolling in a fine arts high school...

And I could go on forever, because more often than not, stories about music school end with shouting, crying, pleading, threats... even people falling to their knees begging their kids to just quit...

Whether I've actually helped you by distilling my own experiences and those of other parents remains to be seen... In short, we eventually discovered that we all share the same dark desire: to smash our child's instrument into pieces and split every atom within them while asking ourselves, "What on earth were we thinking?"...

So, please, ask yourself one more time:

If someone isn't making headway with the guitar—which, let’s face it, is incredibly crowded right now with so much competition—why not just pick up a different instrument instead?
And if they haven't seen any real progress after three serious attempts, I have to wonder why anyone would keep pushing against a brick wall like that...

If a kid actually shows a genuine talent for the guitar, there’s really no rule saying they have to enroll in a traditional music academy right away. They could always find a local workshop or a casual course, which is a much lighter way to start since you don't have to deal with all that heavy music theory stuff immediately. With enough passion and practice, they might actually end up surpassing those kids stuck in the rigid classical curriculum, and besides, they can always dive into formal training later in life when they're a bit more mature...
CIA: Illuminati (2017) in Movies ·
When he took that dive straight into the sewer, I honestly felt the first urge to just turn the whole thing off. And once that metallic hand got jammed into the computer? Yeah, that was the moment I officially called it... 😵