Posts by graniteharbor502

ruggedhawk20 said:What, were you around in the sixties or something?!

That crash happened because of a mistake by Amanda Kelly. And honestly, that wreck is exactly why she became so low-key throughout her career. You know, how those clueless reporters and historians love to spin it as being some "quiet, reserved kid."

"Quiet and reserved"—yeah, right. I've had plenty of women tell me she was a total little rebel!

But yeah, ever since that collision with Von Tripp, she’s kept a super low profile around the track and the paddock.

I find myself compelled to suggest that this assertion is, quite simply, inaccurate.

ruggedhawk20 said:What, were you around in the sixties or something?!

That crash happened because of a mistake by Amanda Kelly. And honestly, that wreck is exactly why she became so low-key throughout her career. You know, how those clueless reporters and historians love to spin it as being some "quiet, reserved kid."

"Quiet and reserved"—yeah, right. I've had plenty of women tell me she was a total little rebel!

But yeah, ever since that collision with Von Tripp, she’s kept a super low profile around the track and the paddock.

He certainly had quite the reputation among the ladies, didn't he? I wouldn't go so far as to label him a complete rogue, though—not before he earned that "smooth operator" moniker, at least.

stormybadger8 said:Who are these guys? Senna, Stewart, Fangio, Clark...
To most people, Bottas is an alien, let alone Hamilton.
https://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiq...um/nombre.aspx
https://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiq...nt/nombre.aspx

It’s honestly terrifying how dominant Mercedes is. 🤦
That weak, washed-up Bottas sitting ahead of Schumacher, Prost, and Senna. 😵
Doesn't even matter why—without the Mercedes beast, he wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as those legends in any universe. 🤦

Good grief, can you believe they think Bottas is some kind of alien god?🙏

shadowmarlin22 said:Give me a break.
Hamilton wouldn't have survived a single season in F1 if he wasn't driving bulletproof machines—not these rolling coffins they used back in the 60s:
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Fine, here's a snippet. Let’s look at the objective data—if you can even call it that 🙂
https://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiq...s/abandon.aspx

Out of all the drivers who have competed in a significant number of races, Bottas is actually the only one ahead of Lewis with fewer DNFs in the history of this sport—Perez follows them. Of course, Lewis has been around longer, which honestly makes his numbers even more impressive.

Now, obviously, this isn't the most perfect way to analyze things since we don't have full crash statistics, but it's pretty clear that Lewis is one of the best in the current era when it comes to staying on the track. In the rain, he might be the greatest ever—so Lewis definitely isn't one of those modern drivers who would have stood a prayer back in the day. Max is a different story entirely...

Jim Clark lost his life because of the very type of mechanical failure Lewis experienced, rather than due to any error in his own driving. Jim Clark drove a car that was notoriously temperamental and fragile, yet he completed four times fewer races than Lewis. Hamilton, meanwhile, has wielded the most dominant and reliable machine in history, managing to pull off eight Grand Slams. Back in 1963, at Spa, he left the rest of the field five minutes behind him despite having a broken gearbox. It leads one to wonder: wasn't Jim Clark a sort of understated, humble alien who simply drove faster than everyone else could possibly imagine, seemingly baffled by why the others were so slow? He represented everything Hamilton aspires to be, yet can never truly become.

ruggedhawk20 said:Clark basically had the spirit of Wolfgang Von Tripp inside him

A GOAT can't be someone who caused another driver's death through a mistake—period.

Just imagine if Lewis killed someone like that early in his career. You have no idea how much these internet forums would absolutely lose their minds.

He essentially took out Kimi:

shadowmarlin22 said:Exactly. In this sport, the primary goal is just staying alive—everything else is secondary. That’s why Fangio and Lewis hold such weight—though Lewis eventually overtook Schumacher in that regard.
Fangio’s percentages are incredible—pole positions, win rates, titles—but Lewis’s raw numbers are just staggering.
Sure, names like Clark, Schumacher, or Senna make a case, but there are massive holes in those arguments. The fact that you had to survive being on the grid with Senna or Clark is the biggest hole of all—tragic, but true.
In my view, Max will likely be categorized more as one of the fastest single-lap drivers rather than the greatest overall. Senna is almost certainly the fastest, followed by Lewis, then Clark, Fangio, and Schumacher—the five quickest to ever do it.

Please, don't make me laugh.
Hamilton wouldn't have even made it through his debut season in Formula 1 if he wasn't driving in bulletproof machines, rather than the literal coffins on four wheels they used back in the sixties:

Raymond Anderson4 said:Both of those situations definitely deserved a penalty.

As a fan, I don't really care about their excuses regarding these incidents, or whether they’ve dealt with something similar earlier in their careers. Of course they're going to defend themselves—drivers always look out for themselves, just like team principals do.
The comparisons he made before were just as pointless.

They certainly should have been penalized. However, I didn't notice any of the armchair experts clamoring for a penalty against Hamilton back when that occurred. I am not presenting these examples in an attempt to justify such maneuvers, but rather to point out that Hamilton himself has engaged in similar actions. And yet, he went unpunished.

Elizabeth Mendoza said:Forget those clips. Give us a shot where we can actually see the steering wheel.☕

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cosmicmoose2 said:The only thing that really bugs me about this whole mess is how people are trying to justify Max’s wild driving just because he was fighting a faster car from a direct title rival.

Look, if that car is so much faster that you can't defend yourself without putting everyone at risk... then you just have to let them pass. Period. You don't get a free pass to drive like a maniac just because your car is slow.

Lewis overtaking Norris right at the end of the sprint was a perfect example of late braking where the driver actually keeps the car on the track.
But Max? Yesterday, he braked late on purpose just so his line would go wide off the track—basically saying "whatever happens, happens." He knew exactly what he was doing, braking late while knowing Lewis was right there on his right side.

So, in my book, there's absolutely no excuse for both of them ending up off the track.

It isn't right, and it never has been. Yet, it seems this becomes the standard procedure whenever the defending driver manages to claim the inside line. I don't recall seeing Lewis penalized when he pulled a similar move on Rosberg during that opening corner at the start:

We all know that Max doesn't pull any punches, but this attempt to paint Hamilton as some sort of saint is nothing short of hilarious.

Douglas Roberts49 said:When Hamilton is involved, everyone starts pulling out the highlight reels and writing endless manifestos...
Now, suddenly, everyone is playing blind.

Look, I don't like Max—far from it—but who cares? Let him play dirty. One championship title is the absolute ceiling for him, assuming he even manages to pull that off...
There will never be any equality here—not in any sense of the word.

What on earth are you talking about? 🙄

shadowmarlin22 said:Actually, no—Verstappen straight up broke a clear rule. Try again.

I was merely being sarcastic, 🙄
and isn't it truly fascinating how the fans of the driver who effectively stripped his main championship rival of 25 points with a single aggressive move at Silverstone—thereby inflating his own lead to a massive 37-point margin—are now the very ones pointing fingers at Max's supposedly "dirty" tactics? 🙏

It seems to me that only when Max engages in such maneuvers will there finally be some semblance of equality regarding what we call "dirty" driving.

shadowmarlin22 said:The rule itself didn't change, per se—it was more that after that race, Whiting stepped in to clarify the interpretation, because back then it was definitely considered a gray area (you can check the forums if you need a refresher).

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ha...36978/4436978/

"My approach to racing is always the same," said Hamilton. "I think the ruling was fair at the [Malaysian] race, and the FIA and Charlie took I believe what was a fair decision, and gave us a warning for it not to happen again.

"I discussed with him [in China] and he made it clear that it is not what he wants to see, so we just don't do it again. It is a lesson learned and we move forward.

"Unfortunately the guys [the other drivers] - I don't understand why everyone was fussing about it but it wasn't really a problem for me."

When asked if he felt the other drivers had over-reacted, he said: "Yeah - they seemed to be talking about it for some time.

"It was with the ruling of how many times you can move with defending, but it is not clear what is defending and what is breaking the tow. Charlie has made it clear now and we won't be doing it."

Just tell Hamilton thanks for pointing out the loophole via tactical driving ☕ so these kinds of tricks don't keep happening. At least, not until the golden boy decides to try it himself...

Identifying a loophole in the regulations🤣
And so it goes, as Verstappen has once again brought it to everyone's attention...

shadowmarlin22 said:Man, seeing people take shots like this out of nowhere—just straight-up dragging the GOAT for no reason—is getting old. 🤦🤦

Let’s not forget—this was a race back in 2010. Back then, weaving on the track to break a tow was basically a gray area—which is just a polite way of saying it was brilliant tactics and finding a loophole in the rulebook. Of course, the regulations have shifted since then. Nowadays, any sudden change in direction for any reason is an immediate red flag, so trying to equate that old move with what Max did is just plain nonsense.
Let's take another crack at this.

Would you be so kind as to provide me with a direct link to that specific regulation regarding weaving and the exact date it was amended?
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And furthermore, how does one account for Hamilton forcing Max Verstappen off the track at Silverstone? Is that viewed as a display of clean racing, or should we categorize it as outright cheating?☕

Drew Bennett68 said:It’s something like this:

Hamilton is such a clean driver, isn't he?🙂

analogpilot16 said:Anyone can defend themselves by trying to squeeze someone into a tiny gap—it's basically just forcing them into a 1:10 second window.

Don't worry, though—we'll probably get cockpit footage from Max soon showing him just cranking the wheel to the right.

And then, just a few laps later, you've got four sudden swerves on the straightaway after the Senna curve. Check it out at 3:50.

Imagine if every single driver on the starting grid defended their position with four zig-zagging maneuvers. I honestly find it hard to believe people are actually justifying this and calling it "elite defending."
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I haven't offered any commentary on this particular incident quite yet, as I have been patiently waiting for more granular, technical analyses to emerge. However, isn't it somewhat fascinating that he managed to hold off those attacks while driving a significantly slower car on a circuit where there is absolutely nowhere to hide? If Lewis hadn't secured the win, he likely would have been fighting right alongside Bottas in an Alfa Romeo...

Furthermore, I find it highly improbable that Lewis would have acted any differently had he been leading the championship standings with Max breathing down his neck.

bluepuma9 said:Verstappen’s got that driver energy reminiscent of guys like Schumacher or Senna... He’s lightning fast, sure, but he’s also willing to get his hands dirty and push things to the absolute limit just to take the win.
Lewis, Kimi, Alonso... those guys were much better at playing that game.

Are we really suggesting that Lewis performed like he did at Silverstone this year, or perhaps comparing Alonso to his driving style at Austin? 🙄

Well, it is widely acknowledged that Mercedes possesses the superior machine on the grid, yet one cannot ignore that Red Bull boasts the most formidable driver in the sport. Will we ultimately witness the engineering triumph prevail, or will pure driving talent seize the glory? It shall be quite fascinating to see who emerges victorious when the dust finally settles.

Drew Bennett68 said:It’s truly remarkable how much he was able to keep them at bay before; once you get onto a track like this, there’s nowhere left to hide.

And that is precisely why I maintain my stance: he is a phenomenal driver. He most certainly earned that championship title.

graniteharbor502 said:It becomes abundantly clear on this particular circuit just how much of a technical advantage the Mercedes-Benz car possesses when it comes to straight-line speed. As I have previously suggested, if one were piloting a machine of this caliber, securing a P6 finish during the sprint would be an effortless endeavor, wouldn't it? And once we transition into the main race, a podium finish seems almost guaranteed, perhaps even a victory if all the stars align perfectly.

If I may quote my own previous thoughts: Mercedes truly seems to exist in a league of its own. Meanwhile, Max managed once again to secure P2—nearly even touching P1. He is quite simply a phenomenal driver. 👍

Jacob Castillo70 said:“Quote: We will look at every single bit of tape that falls off,” stated the head of Mercedes-Benz motorsport.

“I can give you my word that we’ll be digging deep and asking some very tough questions during the upcoming races.”

"This is now the third consecutive time we've been hearing rumors that Red Bull Racing was granted permission to tweak components of their rear wing while under parc fermé conditions."

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And even Mercedes changed Lewis's 🤷

shadowmarlin22 said:Hmmmm, interesting. That whole thing about the seconds—I think I picked that up from the last race, back when everyone was complaining about how slow the formation lap was being handled.

It is because the rule explicitly states: as tight as possible. And honestly, one could interpret that in just about any way they find convenient.

Raymond Anderson4 said:Is that 30-second window actually a rule?
If it is, then sure, he should be penalized if he was stalling on purpose, but who do you actually penalize in other scenarios?
The last guy isn't always the one at fault. You have 18 other drivers between the first and the last; how is the final driver supposed to make it in within 30 seconds if the guys ahead of him are dragging their feet? I think this rule is incredibly hard to enforce fairly. If we apply it strictly, the last driver will constantly end up being blamed and penalized for things they didn't do, simply because the people in front were slow.

This situation with Hamza is clear-cut, though. If it's in the regulations, then yes, he should have been penalized because it's obvious he was stalling.

There actually isn't a specific rule stating exactly how many seconds must elapse between the first and last cars arriving on the grid. There is only one regulation, though it is subject to very broad interpretation. It states:
During the formation lap practice starts are forbidden and the formation must be kept as tight as possible.