Posts by Walter Grant5

Matthew Young35 said:No, I don't hold any prejudices against metal.
Really.
I actually find thrash metal quite alright; I'll listen to a bit of it every couple of years or so.

Yeah, but you jumped straight to black metal, which is how this whole thing kicked off. Look, you can't just start digging deep into that stuff looking for "energy" now. It ain't that complicated. You either feel it or you don't. And you? Based on everything I've seen, you definitely don't. Thank God. 🙂

Most people are obsessed with Queen, and I still can't wrap my head around what everyone finds so life-changing about them.

Or AC/DC. 🤷

It’s hard to get anything out of it when you walk in with a chip on your shoulder. Just saying.

How are you even supposed to find any motivation in that? It doesn't work like that.

brightpilot6 said:I suppose it is a bit of a stretch to bridge the gap between all that raw destruction, aggression, anarchy, and pure grumpiness—which is what that genre suggests to me—and the act of raking in cash at some high-end, polished concert venue.

If you really wanted to give listeners that true sensory experience, wouldn't you host the show in a literal junkyard or some gritty dive bar down a back alley? ☕

But hey, I’m just messing around; people listen to whatever they want, it's just that this particular style has always felt like a direct pipeline to emotions I don't particularly value, like rage or anger, so I've never quite grasped the motivation behind leaning into them. Or perhaps I just outgrew that phase of life where you feel the need to wear your frustration on your sleeve.

Honestly? They should just play on some damn cow pastures instead of these multi-million dollar stadiums that cost millions to run. Not even a real complaint, just facts.

You don't like Conan? Send him straight to hell. Or maybe just make it a little nastier than that. Honestly, listening to this makes me want to go out and commit a crime.

brightpilot6 said:Good grief, what kind of headspace do you have to be in to actually find enjoyment in the mindless racket produced by those rapidstag2 wannabes? They’re out there on stages worth millions of dollars, making all that noise 🤣
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I suppose that whole teenage rebellion phase just went completely off the rails ☕
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What on earth goes through your mind when you're sitting there listening to that?

🙂

you’ve gotta be a total misanthrope or just straight-up a psychopath ☕

to not listen to that—that wouldn't surprise me. But not understanding it? Given how much sense most people make, that actually does surprise me. Like, how can someone sit there watching 22 guys chase a ball around an arena 🤦

and also, what's the deal with how much money gets dumped into some festival stage anyway?

It's like having Leonard Cohen playing on a million-dollar Coachella stage. 🤦

What goes through your head when you're listening to stuff you actually like? 🙂

Robert Torres said:The real smart play is to ditch the whole bar scene and those drunken chats with random bums altogether. Just head home to your wife and actually get some productive yard work done☕

It’s spring now, perfect time for pruning fruit trees or running the trimmer through the bushes, stuff like that.

That's what I was getting at, I just phrased it poorly. It's that typical self-proclaimed "true" crowd belief that anything not totally isolated or despised by the mainstream isn't worth a damn. As for the bands that actually shaped the movement? Everyone knows them now, people are interested in them, they listen occasionally, and there are probably movies about them.
So it's hilarious when these people act like "posers" like Dimmu Borgir and their fans are some massive life crisis. Usually, as examples of "real" underground, they immediately bring up Burzum or Darkthrone—the most exposed ones of all, which anyone who spent even an hour looking into the genre knows exist.

I'm with you on that. I wasn't trying to bring up Burzum or whatever for a reason. That stuff is common knowledge, and honestly, me mentioning Dimmu Borgir isn't some massive life crisis for me. I actually own one of their albums, and I think this specific one they put out is decent, Jack Diaz4. Their later stuff feels pretty weak compared to their early era, and yeah, they’re definitely posers musically. It doesn't bother me, but let's be real—it's just not believable. Screw it.

Like I said before, just because something’s "underground" doesn't mean it actually rocks. Especially in Black Metal and stuff like that. Just because it's obscure doesn't make it good.

Nancy Sanchez31 said:Walter Grant5, could you please explain to everyone what on earth those guys from Mayhem were thinking when they designed their album cover? ☕

Just dropping this here for anyone actually interested. I see Matthew Young35 is already trying to twist my words, implying I’m some kind of obsessed fanboy for killers or whatever. Not even close, man. That's not the point at all. If someone makes great art, you gotta give them their flowers. It’s like watching an elite NFL player—you have to admit he's a beast, even if he isn't the guy you grew up rooting for.

😁

Matthew Young35 said:I know all about those types and those bands; I didn't just wake up yesterday.

But they are still nothing more than ridiculous nonsense.
It’s essentially the "I’m going to go murder my neighbor and eat his brain" school of thought.
Sure, it’s intense, but it leaves you wondering, "What on earth is wrong with these people?"
At its core, it’s just a cocktail of narcissism, exhibitionism, and genuine mental instability.
If I were to be fascinated by that sort of thing, I might as well admire Jack the Ripper or someone similar; they would be even less likely to be considered posers.

Look, I’m not saying this is some deep moral crisis. I’m talking strictly about the music as an end product. When certain guys churn out tracks like they do, they aren't just mimicking what they heard somewhere else. And obviously, not everyone worships these people just because they've committed crimes. Case in point: when I first saw that Burzum video, I didn't know any of the backstory. But man, the track gave me chills just because it was damn good. Within the context of what makes music "good," anyway.

Those were just extreme cases. Take Immortal, for instance—they actually get the joke. They aren't some violent morons. Plenty of other famous guys are the same way.

That murder? Pure heat of passion. Nothing ritualistic about it. Just some psycho snapping.

What's your take on Roman Polanski movies or that whole Phil Spector wall of sound thing?

So, why is someone like David Cronenberg considered a "serious" artist while some black metal kid is automatically labeled a joke? Both sides aren't out there actually hurting anyone or trying to change real-world laws—they’re just pushing their ideas through art. It's all just different channels.

Jessica Gonzalez said:It feels like everyone is just underperforming lately; I guess things are a bit underwhelming across the board right now.

This is what kills me the most. Everything is so heavily curated and dissected just to ensure it fails.

Matthew Young35 said:Hold on...
Are you using the word "serious" in both those contexts?

Probably the one you weren't looking for.😁

Yeah, I mean seriousness in terms of being twisted. Like, take Burzum—guy killed his bandmate before going solo and torched some churches. Spent a ton of time behind bars. Or the frontman from Dissection, who got busted for a murder involving a satanic cult partner before ending things with a ritual suicide. Then there’s the guy from Deicide (disturbing stuff, 🙏 really), rocking an upside-down cross branded on his forehead. 🤣

Just to be clear, I’m not out here cheering for any of that shit, but calling these guys posers is a stretch. They aren't like Cradle of Filth or Dimmu Borgir.

Clarification number two: I'm definitely not saying every black or death metal fan is a killer or some kind of lunatic like the examples I gave.

And clarification number three: Don't try to psychoanalyze me based on what I listen to. Extreme metal isn't my main thing, but I can't deny the sheer musical skill some of these guys have. At the end of the day, a good horror movie is one that actually scares you, and a good comedy is one that actually makes you laugh.

Plus, there are plenty of killer bands where the musicians aren't total psychos. It's just that raw, primal energy and that dark, ominous vibe in the tracks. And no, I'm not just talking about technicality or crazy blast beats.

That doesn't mean this music escapes the "seriousness" question, since people will always look at them and think, "What are these guys in face paint even doing?"

Robert Torres said:everyone knows the names and faces behind these acts now... they're way too sanitized for the mainstream crowd ☕

sorry, I don't do "nobodies" just because they're nobodies☕

it's about how things evolve over time. that's on the people, not some calculated move during production. depends on how you look at it, but calling this "mass-market catering" doesn't fly with me. a guy like Burzum isn't trying to play to the crowd, and neither are these bands. but hey, even obscure metal had to grab its slice of the pie as everything went mainstream. every art genre eventually gets its own pop category. plus, underground extreme metal isn't automatically high quality just because it wasn't made for the radio. these bands aren't underground, sure, but they aren't selling out either.

whatever. by that logic, John Maus is mainstream, and those guys playing bass in hipster indie bands will look down their noses at you if you tell them you actually dig him.☕

Matthew Young35 said:When you see those Scandinavian black metal types actually start moving, you know things have officially hit a new level of intensity.

What ruggedjackal46 posted isn't even close to being "hardcore." Dimmu Borgir is basically the Scandinavian version of Cradle of Filth. Just a bunch of posers playing dress-up.

Out of all the heavy hitters, I only respect Immortal. They aren't wearing face paint to look pretty, and they don't overdo the brutal stuff just for the sake of it. It’s more like they're leaning into the vibe without trying too hard.

here's my playlist:


Burzum - Dunkelheit

Dissection - Night's Blood

Emperor - I am the
Black Wizards

Burzum - War

feels like I’m getting kicked out of the band via a single text message😢

never happened to me personally, but I heard Dimmu Borgir used to bully two of their members like that🤣

so much for those "dangerous" black metal guys🤦

btw, haven't checked the garbage people sent my way yet☕

edit:

gotta offer an apology to two VB16 members I failed to mention earlier among the crowd lacking objectivity. That includes Ivano too.

welp, I'm done here😢

Jacob Morgan said:If you don't enjoy a little trolling, I guess you just don't actually like people ☕

which basically means he doesn't even like himself☕

people—you feel me?🤦

restlesssurfer97 said:Man, I’m telling you guys, the mods are totally icing me out and won't let me use my permanent account, so if you see me getting quoted again, don't go coming for me, just blame the admins because I'm really not the one causing the drama here. 🤣
I’d totally jump in on that thread if I could, but since my ban finally wore off, I can't actually post there anymore, so I just drifted over here instead only to find out a massive debate has already kicked off, which is honestly pretty great because a good argument always keeps things interesting.

To kick things off, brightpilot6 basically said exactly what you’d expect him to say, which is pretty much his whole thing every single time we do this.

Honestly, man, I’m just completely fed up at this point because for months now, we've been letting certain people absolutely trash this thread with jokes that have the intellectual depth of a ten-year-old who just got his first vaccine, and it honestly only got way worse once those guys caught a little bit of a winning streak and let that whole dopamine-fueled adrenaline rush go straight to their heads. And then, out of nowhere, suddenly everyone starts acting like they're the freaking moderators or something.

Look, Walter Grant5, you really shouldn't be judging everyone else based solely on what you've been through personally, because if I hadn't been constantly popping in and out of this forum, I honestly wouldn't have any clue who was actually doing that. And honestly, this kind of doubles as my response to that little comment from ruggedjackal46 about why I’m even bothering to look for a permanent spot here instead of just walking away for good.
There was this stretch where I just completely vanished for like a full year, you know? But honestly, looking back at the last decade or so, it feels like the gaps where I don't post are actually getting longer than the actual times I'm hanging out here and typing stuff up.
Look, I’m asking for a permanent transfer for actual reasons, not because I’m throwing a tantrum or acting out, and I even went ahead and laid everything out clearly in my post, so let’s get one thing straight right now—what happened with Bryan Adams6 and his three disciplinary cards has absolutely nothing to do with why I'm looking for a move.
Man, I think my username has actually become cursed by its own reputation at this point, which is just wild because it feels like I’ve officially become the Sergio Ramos of this entire forum, if you know what I mean. Like, first off, I ended up racking up more red cards than anyone else here—and I don’t even mean lately, I mean just looking at my track record in general—but then I turn around and read all these haters claiming I’m getting special treatment from the mods, and finally, I’ve gotta pull a parallel like the one ruggedjackal46 always brings up regarding that whole Suarez vs. Ramos drama. You remember how it went with them in the big leagues where they used to punish Suarez so hard they basically kicked him off the pitch, while they punish Ramos by just leaving him out there to run wild, and honestly, that’s exactly the kind of sentence I feel like I’ve just been handed. 🤣🤣

Bryan Adams6, you asked me earlier why I spend my time trolling, and honestly, I’m not even sure if we’re using the same dictionary for that word, because in my book, "trolling" covers a massive spectrum of stuff, so when you look at people who don't troll at all—like Noah Roberts46 over there—they actually end up being the most boring ones around, just totally uninteresting, whereas most of everyone else here is out here trolling.
There’s a whole crowd of them out there who are just straight-up terrible at trolling, like that guy yellow-flagging everything, which is honestly just pathetic because at that point you aren't even being clever, you're basically just spamming the feed and wasting everyone's time.

Michelle Palmer6, look, I wasn't even trying to start any drama or report anyone, honestly, I just noticed that the moderation tools were feeling a bit more streamlined lately and decided to drop a post that fit the current vibe perfectly, only to end up getting hit with an instant ban. 🤦
I'm not exactly looking to be a total hall monitor like Walter Grant5 and go running to the mods to report every little thing, honestly. 🤦I mean, honestly, I think James Anderson5 really hit the nail on the head there.

So you actually went ahead and reported brightpilot6 and restlesssurfer97, and now you’re sitting here posting these massive essays like you're some kind of judge? Honestly, man, it never even crossed my mind to flag that absolute circus of a VB16 clone situation to the mods, I just sat back and watched to see how far that whole psychiatric meltdown would actually go.

I mean, look, if I see someone actually being straight-up abusive or hateful, I’m definitely going to report them, but honestly, reporting every single troll is just a waste of energy because then I’ll end up burning through my report credits way too fast and ruin my whole streak for when it actually matters.

Well, hey everyone, looks like we’re destined to cross paths here again because that’s just how the universe works, I guess, but I'm actually gonna head out for a little vacation for a bit, so let's just see where everything lands when I get back.
I’m honestly only gonna break my vacation if Real Madrid pulls off another Champions League title, because if they actually win the big one again, I'll just have to jump back online and vent about it, but man, looking at them right now, they seem like they're in such a massive slump that I wouldn't be surprised if we see a total blowout on the scoreboard, maybe even something like 1-3 after they face Ajax.

And yeah, just to wrap this up, I actually find myself agreeing with Robert Torres—which is wild because I rarely see eye to eye with him, though not regarding his little accusation that I’m just whining, since we both know that’s total nonsense, but rather on his point to Noah Roberts46 about how banning anyone who doesn't fit a specific mold is basically killing the soul of a forum, leaving nothing behind but a bunch of bland, boring drones. It’s something that Walter Grant5 and even Andrew Hayes2, which was a pleasant surprise if I'm being honest, pointed out too, and honestly, once you let those dry personalities and internet trolls take over the conversation, the whole vibe goes south fast, and it feels like that’s been the direction everything has been heading for the last few years.

Take Patrick Martin, for instance; the guy straight-up tore into me here, but he’s basically a staple of this community at this point, so you just have to give him a warning when he starts going off with those heavy-duty insults, which probably only happens when he's having a rough day at his job in Chicago, because usually, about 80% of what he does is just pure trolling. I mean, there’s no way someone can be that biased toward the Lakers without it being a deliberate joke.

Anyway, enjoy yourselves, everyone; I guess I’m officially the drama queen now, but whatever, someone’s gotta stand their ground every once in a while, just like how Coach Tomlin showed us during that intense matchup against the Steelers.

Look, I wasn't saying our reasoning was exactly the same. I'm just saying hunting for a perm ban is a waste of time. When a mod hits you with one, it makes sense—it stops you from talking. But when you go out of your way asking for it? That's just looking for attention.

First off, brightpilot6 said exactly what you'd expect him to say. Same old story.

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I don't have any content to rewrite yet. Send over the posts you want me to work on. kaže: Man, I’m fed up. For months now, we've had people clogging up this board with jokes that wouldn't even fly with a ten-year-old. It only got worse once they caught a little bit of a winning streak and let that dopamine hit go straight to their heads. And now, suddenly, everyone thinks they're a moderator. Give me a break.

Whatever your reason is. So you go out and hunt for a permit—what’s the actual payoff for the team? You don't have to tell me. Once you strip away all the excuses, it’s pretty obvious: you're just making a power move to send a message. Honestly, I don't care either way. Got to do it. Look, I’m just commenting on the decision. You don't owe me an answer, and honestly, I'm not even in a position to demand one. Even if I were? I wouldn't bother asking.

And this too.

Thanks anyway. Cheers, everyone. It was a good run for a bit, but honestly? This whole thing’s become a massive waste of time.

Look, let's just be fair if we're actually gonna stop messing around. 😉

I’m not gonna act like a coward and report everything just to look tough like Walter Grant does, but seriously 🤦, James Anderson5 nailed it:

Look, if I see someone actually being abusive, I'll flag it. But reporting every single troll? Total waste of time. It just ruins the satisfaction of hitting that report button.

I’ve got something to say too, and I’m not hiding behind anything—I ain't a coward for reporting people, because honestly, I did the exact same thing you did. The mod banned me, and I was just sitting there wondering what the hell happened. Why was I the only one getting banned while all these trolls run wild? I thought I’d stumbled into some oasis of constructive conversation, then boom—my posts get nuked and I get banned. Once my ban wore off, that's when I started reporting stuff. It’s not like the mods missed them; they saw mine and gave me a warning, but they ignored the others. That’s why I flagged them. I reacted immediately, but they just deleted my stuff and banned me instead. You can't un-report a post or undo a ban ☕

And I see you’re complaining too, which just shows how they picked on you despite all that VB16 nonsense going on. Similar situation, except you didn't call out specific trolling examples—true enough 🙂

and if anyone...

James Anderson5 said:I think that move was a little bit weak, but hopefully you'll play it smarter next time...

Like Robert Torres says, if we stripped away all the sarcasm, trolling, and nonsense, this place would be as dull as death and die out in no time... The only line I draw—and the reason I’ve actually spoken up publicly instead of just DMing the mods—is when things get personally abusive. That kind of stuff shouldn't have a place here...

I totally get where you're coming from. Just imagine if you found out later on that Robert Torres was Jewish... everyone would be giving you a hard time about that camp... 👍

...thinks I'm a wuss because I reported a few posts. I'm not hiding it, but I'm not taking away his right to feel that way either ☕

I’m still gonna keep flagging any posts that stay unpunished on a thread the second I get penalized for doing the exact same thing on that same thread

I get where the moderators are coming from, though. This subreddit would be an absolute nightmare to moderate if they stuck strictly to the rules. I’ve never been in this spot before, but thank God I’m just a regular user on this sub ☕

Patrick Martin said:Look, I’ll just say it—I can get my point across in two sentences while Walter Grant5 is still busy typing out his massive, never-ending manifestos.

You say the most when you don't say anything at all. You botched the plot of like ten movies in a row lately, and whenever Ridley Scott messes up, you start defending him like Ter Stegen guarding a net in the 90th minute.

ruggedjackal46 said:So, let me get this straight. Walter Grant5 hangs out with restlesssurfer97 for one last dinner before the big rivalry game, gives him a friendly kiss on the cheek, and then turns him over to the forum mods later that same night? Unbelievable. Honestly, I just hope Andrew Hayes2 at least wired Walter Grant5 a silver medal for his services ☕

You really want me to prove how "objective" I am? ☕

Man, I was even out there dragging Paul Sanders before the big match started.🤣

Bryan Adams6 said:Is this a women's lounge or a soccer forum? You guys are losing your minds over a couple of yellow cards. 🤔

Tomorrow’s a new day, things will turn around... anything can happen in this game. 🙂

Don't know about the rest of you, personally I'm not worked up. Just calling it like I see it, that's how I roll. 🙂

Jessica Gonzalez said:I think balance and variety are pretty important. This subforum has hit a breaking point before, so maybe a little reset is actually a good thing. I guess you need a mix of constructive talk, some trolling, a bit of banter, new topics, and even some light insults—everything just needs to be present. At the end of the day, this place is mostly about having fun alongside the actual games on the field. And now, we might need some fresh faces, which is tough if everyone is just busy trolling.

To me, the issues we see on the professional fields are kind of reflected here too. It feels like it's always the same teams and the same players, year after year. Because of that, the discussions and the jokes here tend to circle around those same old clubs. If everything boils over after ten years of the same cycle, it probably just leads to constant trolling.

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Hard for someone to jump in if there's only trolling? Sorry, not really. If you want to join, you join. Not everyone is the same, yeah, but if you want to get something done, you gotta try. Building a house isn't impossible just because you lack tools—it's about guts. Some people might be "scared" to jump in, but I doubt they think setting the stage is "helping." The rest of what was said holds water, though.

If you want to be helpful—write something useful. If you want to reply to a helpful user—talk to them instead of some guy claiming LeBron James eats raw dough. If you want to troll—reply to a troll. People have chosen the latter.

It's not like anyone's being silenced; people just stubbornly refuse to write anything constructive. And honestly, most can't produce quality content at the rate they post. Generally speaking. You see forums with three or four active users a day pumping out decent stuff. That's fine. It can happen here too. But the more people talk, the more "empty noise" there is. There just isn't enough depth among the crowd to match the sheer volume of posts on this board.

Take you, for example. You write something meaningful, so you post less often. I don't mind that at all. In fact, if everyone posted like you, the forum would be less active. I'm not complaining, just pointing out that this isn't changing from an admin level—it's a user issue.

Just commenting. I'm not looking for drama. ☕

Michelle Palmer6 said:Guys, you’re really blowing this out of proportion and turning it into a caricature.
Nobody ever said we had to write these posts like dry, academic papers—and let’s be honest, nobody actually intended to! We had two classic personalities clashing right next to each other, and, frankly, it was almost predictable that things would spiral out of control and hit a breaking point. It’s happened before, and it’ll happen again; someone steps in, things settle down, and we all move on. Look, Walter Grant5, I know exactly who is being genuinely constructive and who is just "constructively trolling." I’ve been on this forum long enough to recognize that specific kind of lukewarm nonsense. My issue is that when these situations erupt, the people who troll just for the sake of trolling jump in, making the whole thread unreadable for everyone else—especially those just dropping by to read something smart or funny. And then, the "good guys" keep feeding the fire, getting themselves caught up in the crossfire.
We are all adults here (I hope!), and I truly don't think a one (1) day ban for a total of three (3) users warrants this much drama.

It’s really not the disaster it’s being made out to be. It feels more like people are just milking this "situation" for attention—you can see it by how active this thread is getting. Personally, I don't think it's a big deal, and if people want to talk about it, fine, but it's not some catastrophe. One guy mentioned he wanted a permanent ban, which probably felt "dramatic" to him in the moment. I'm not going to speak for everyone, but I doubt this has actually "shaken the community." On these forums, there's always someone acting like they have a hidden agenda.😁

Yeah, I got banned while they got off scot-free. The whole group just kept trolling right after the mod gave them a warning—that’s actually why I got nuked. I even told them right then and there that I was reporting them.

Honestly? I wanted things to blow up just to show how ridiculous the whole thing is.

And yeah, I write "essays" because I feel like it. Just because I can doesn't mean I'm gonna act like an idiot all the time. But this one? I did it because I could. And because I wanted to. ☕

edit: gotta admit, Robert Torres actually puts out decent stuff. I don't agree with everything he says, but at least he sticks to talking about football instead of just being a troll. And man, after hanging around this forum for years, how can anyone even get under your skin? I mean, sure, people can be annoying, but I don't get why you'd let it get to you. 🤷

The stuff nobody likes and "isn't allowed" to say—venting about the mods. ☕

I’m guessing I’ll probably get hit with some ban or whatever, but maybe the mod could check if anyone else is calling out management before just nuking me. 😉

First off, I’m not backing restlesssurfer97’s call to action (been there, done that, got the permanent ban), and I’m not trying to screw over the mods. The guy basically said that with everything going on offline, he can't catch every single idiot posting garbage. That’s fair. It’s human. You’re gonna mess up, and you should be able to point it out.

I don't want to act like this is some huge deal—and honestly, I don't care if people think I'm being sensitive—but after getting banned, I reported posts from Justin James10, restlesssurfer97, and brightpilot6. It pissed me off how the mod wiped my post but totally ignored all the other sarcasm and people pushing back against his warning. Like, since it's Walter Grant, he *has* to be trolling. I don't know if I'm the reason for these sanctions, but it doesn't matter; what matters is the mod's reaction was sloppy. It’s not about crucifying anyone, it’s just about accepting criticism. If you're gonna call me a troll when I'm not even trolling you better at least admit the enforcement is selective for some reason, even if it isn't malicious.

And then there's this whole "trolling" definition on this site. It's absolute bullshit. It makes zero sense. Someone gets "offended" because someone trashed Messi or Ronaldo and calls it trolling. So now it's trolling because, get this—they're offended that some random guy on the internet doesn't worship Messi the way I do. 🙂 And if someone actually gets their feelings hurt by that, they're just a total wimp. People get offended by everything these days because they're weak. I know, because I used to get worked up over the same stupid crap back when I was a wimp too. And I bet some #metoo type gets offended because the word "wimp" is used as a slur, just like any other derogatory term.

Which leads us to the supposed "real problem," which is the true definition of trolling. Not.
Other users claim they can't write "constructively" because of the trolling. Not. We've heard these complaints before. What a bunch of losers. They can't manage to write a single coherent thought, so they pretend they're being silenced by some keyboard warriors from the suburbs of Chicago or Seattle. There was this one smartass who claimed he couldn't be constructive because of all the trolling, yet he didn't even make three posts about the topic during the whole season. Then he complains about not being able to "write constructively." Constructively, my ass.

What an absolute joke. 🤣
Just a total loser. 🙏
Is he gonna sell him out more? 🤦
Get him out of there already.
What a scam.

Etc.
Most of the "constructive" posts here are just infantile one-liners during live games. There's zero actual substance. restlesssurfer97, Paul Sanders5, brightpilot6, and ruggedjackal46 are a million times more constructive than most of the people who aren't even labeled as trolls. Those guys actually pull up a ton of useful stats during arguments, while these "I want to write constructive posts" types wouldn't even know what that looks like.

You have to look at the vibe of this place. Should we really punish people for talking trash about Barca or Real Madrid because they ruined the league and this site? Hell no. But if someone is actually trying to contribute and these trolls jump in with snarky replies to serious posts—like the ones from the Engineer or other regulars—then yeah, punish them without mercy. Otherwise, it's pointless.

I don't agree with restlesssurfer97's idea either, mostly because I once asked for and received a permaban myself. It's why I don't hang around the site much. I messed up and looked like an idiot. If you don't want to write, don't log in. Simple. How much you choose to engage is your business. You can say it publicly, sure, but it makes you wonder what your real motive is.

Look, man. You're asking for a ban because the mods didn't handle things perfectly? That's a reach. It's stupid to boil it down to that. Honestly, you can't even blame them—there aren't enough people actually trying to contribute anything useful here anyway. The vibe has been trashed for ages, so what are they supposed to fix? Whatever. Just tell them they missed the mark and leave it at that. Or don't.

And yeah, here we go with the "freedom of speech" whining. 🙂

Real freedom of speech isn't something you beg for. ☕

Oh, and let me not forget the "intellectual" users who actually know how to write a decent post but choose not to because two trolls are acting out—you guys are absolute cowards. Your excuse is probably just "don't cast pearls before swine."

A ban list for the people constantly disrupting the flow and trolling everyone else? Just throw out a few names and you could basically pick anyone at random. Nobody actually trolls the productive users, so just ban all the trolls and call it a day.

If I were facing a ban, I’d show up with every single one of my burner accounts just to feed my ego.

Using a proxy from Manaus, too. 🙏