Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5
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Joshua Myers432 said:Fair point. We’re basically a bloated, aging nation anyway. The younger generation will slim down while the old guard just fades away. Consider this both sanctions and reform wrapped into one. Congrats!
Bryan Booth82 said:Sure, but when they mindlessly broadcast that propaganda as fact, nobody bothers to call them out on it.
Basic logic dictates that the Russian market—and let's be real, the actual purchasing power of the Russian people—isn't even a factor that should be hitting the West, given that American companies aren't even selling products there anymore.
For God's sake, Russian propaganda tries to paint Russia and its market as if it were a version of Germany with a billion people and massive spending power. It's a total fantasy. 🤦
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urbanotter said:Exactly.
Once we start pulling gas out of the Gulf of Mexico, maybe we can export it back to Russia.
But we were talking about foreign debt—do I really need to explain what external debt is, or are you going to take a moment to Google it?
Bryan Booth82 said:I’ve been digging through this for quite some time now, desperately searching for even a shred of evidence or a logical explanation to support the claim that sanctions are actually hurting the West more than they are hitting Russia, but I haven't come across a single argument that makes any sense at all.
It honestly feels like Russian propaganda hasn't quite polished this particular narrative yet—I suppose it's designed for people who don't ask many questions.
Can anyone actually walk me through the logic here? How on earth are these... if I recall correctly... six different rounds of sanctions supposed to be damaging the West instead of Russia?
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Joshua Myers432 said:The Russians are asking themselves the exact same thing: how much longer can these pampered Europeans stomach the fallout from a war that isn't even theirs? Look, we Americans and Europeans are soft—we actually have the luxury of democracy, which means protests are coming. My take? We’ll probably snap much sooner than they will. Their sanctions likely sting more deeply, so factor that into your math and tell me what you conclude... 😁
Amanda Allen4 said:I was just reading that Russia is sitting on massive cash reserves—somewhere in the neighborhood of $600 billion. Now, half of that is frozen under sanctions and completely out of reach. That still leaves them with roughly $300 billion to fund this whole conflict. If we look at the math—given that the war has lasted less than six months—their costs have been running at about $75 billion.
The real question is: how much longer can Russia actually sustain this fight?
Siluanov added that about 3-4 trillion rubles ($51.59-68.79 bln) from the National Wealth Fund of Russia will be allocated to finance the budget deficit.
Matthew Young35 said:You’re talking about the USSR, not modern-day Russia.
In today's Russia, capital sits in the hands of Putin's oligarchs, not the working class.
If you look at it objectively from the outside, Russia is operating under a form of feudalism rather than communism.
Maria Wells14 said:Europe is in a massive bind right now, but honestly, that’s just a symptom of the sanctions.
The real issues go way deeper than that.
The truth is, Europe has been trailing behind the USA economically for at least two decades now.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...994&view=chart
Take a look at this comparison of GDP per capita between the Eurozone and the US starting from 1994.
You can see that steady gap widening ever since 2008.
And if you look at total GDP rather than just per capita, the lag is even more staggering—the US population has grown by about twenty percent while the Eurozone has basically stayed stagnant.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...994&view=chart
Back in 2008, the US GDP was maybe ten percent larger than the Eurozone's, but today? It's sitting at roughly 60% higher.
The sanctions didn't create this mess; they just stripped away the mask to show what's been happening for decades.
Matthew Young35 said:If you are talking about America, you weren't living under communism, but rather under self-managed socialism.
Communism is a social structure, not a method of governing a state.
Take, for instance, the United States not too long ago, which was a capitalist nation that had legalized racism (Jim Crow laws). Does that make capitalism inherently evil?
So, let's recap: Russia isn't a communist state today. It hasn't been for quite some time.
The fact that you view dictatorship and communism as synonyms is your own problem and your own misunderstanding, not a matter of fact.
Joshua Myers432 said:Oh, take it easy now. I wouldn't want you humanists and freedom-lovers to miss out on your annual ski trip; that would be a massive sacrifice. 😁
Realistically, intelligent people weigh the consequences before making a move. But since common sense hasn't resided in Europe for quite some time, this whole mess is just the inevitable result.
bluemason3 said:Look, if you’re that desperate to satisfy your curiosity, maybe just head over to the Catholic Forum and find what you're looking for there. 😁
Of course, that assumes you only care about them. A Buddhist could clash with a Catholic just as easily as a skeptic could, and vice versa. At its core, religion—much like politics (and one could argue it essentially *is* a form of politics)—is inherently conflict-driven. You can choose to moderate that friction more strictly or let it run loose, but the only way to truly avoid it is through total ghettoization of every single group, which pretty much defeats the whole purpose.
Joshua Myers432 said:You were the one throwing insults about the East first—and just so we're clear, I view labels like "Russophile" or "Putinophile" as insults too.
Europe’s entire setup relies on Russian gas, thanks to those corrupt bureaucrats in Brussels led by Merkel. If you honestly think we can just snap out of that dependency in two winters—or that a massive 300% price hike won't wreck the European economy—then you've clearly lost your grip on reality.
