placidheron16 said:this new generation leading the stands doesn't want to mentor the kids. The kids are fine, but they need to learn who pays the bills and who calls the shots. You have to be firm with the youth, teach them from day one how to live the supporter lifestyle, instead of just playing babysitter for the last few years and letting some other guy take credit for them!!
Look, this new crowd doesn't respect the hierarchy. They didn't bother asking the right people; they went behind everyone's back, and now they're begging for support. It's hypocritical. And what happens in two, five, ten years when a new batch of "smart" kids comes along and pulls the same stunts behind their backs? I hope you see my point.
when that legendary leader... there goes the dream because he's a "cult figure" to people. When he gives his support, his followers will follow. Then we'll just be "them" instead of "us." That division keeps happening. Once those individual egos shrink to nothing and the ego trips die down, then maybe we can actually start over.
Your brains have been washed by this "cult of personality" nonsense. You think nobody was in the stands before him? Are we all just sheep without brains following him around? Understand that he isn't the point; other things matter. If he offers public support, I won't give it to you just because he backed someone. I don't care about that. I'll give maximum support when you prove you know what you're doing—when you show that your actions bring actual value to the group, not just change for the sake of change or personal ego trips. I told you clearly, almost begged you, but you couldn't manage it for even ten days. Why? Is it pride, or are you just incapable? Or did you dump everything on one man, and now that he's gone, you're lost? You blame us for the division, yet we offered a hand on the condition that certain things be clarified. Did you honestly think you were created by God's will to lead the group while the rest of us just blindly accept your "visions" without knowing what they actually are?
One final piece of advice. In situations like this, go directly to the other side and ask what you need to know. Don't rely on one or two guys to pass info to you. They might forget something, misunderstand, or if they're being malicious, leave things out. Either way, you end up missing key information.
I've written more than necessary here, but whatever, since everyone thinks they know everything, let them read this too. I'm sick of all the crap about kids, casual fans, fights, and cheering that has absolutely nothing to do with the core issue. Everyone talks big about being ultras, but half of them haven't a clue what they're talking about!
"Evil mostly rules the world, and stupidity holds the final word!"