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Aaron Sanchez7 said:That’s just not right. Let me put it simply: 😉
You hit the nail right on the head, man! Seriously! Just ask yourself why someone like Shadowman stays so quiet and doesn't try to argue against this, you know? It's because he
knows exactly what's going on. Shadowman, 😍
Daniel Fowler9🙄
northernorca25 said:Listen, smarty-pants, you’re actually going to become way more brilliant once you stop wasting all your precious energy on these massive ego trips and start focusing on stuff that actually matters—like, I don't know, actually diving deep into those .NET APIs you’re so obsessed with. Once you do that, you'll finally see what real idea-sharing and knowledge exchange feels like.
Honestly, northernorca25, I am totally with you on that one! I've been trying to study it, but lately, life's just been getting in the way and I haven't spent nearly as much time on it as I really wish I had.
So, hey, if we ever get a dedicated "Programming" sub-forum popping up here, I might just be talked into starting my own little regular forum "column," where I can geek out over the super technical side of .NET programming. I think I'll try putting one together first and then just see if anyone else wants to jump in on the fun. If people bite, we could actually build something cool here—a real fertile ground for swapping ideas and actually mastering .NET together.
Cheers,
Daniel Fowler9🙄
Jose Stewart7 said:Are you being serious right now? You're basically basing your whole argument on how you personally choose to read some analyst group's report. I already sent you my rebuttal via PM because since everyone else here can't see the specific analysis you're pulling your conclusions from, it just feels totally unfair to them.
Look, at least I’m actually basing my claims on something tangible—in this case, a massive, legitimate document that
wasn't even put together by Microsoft. But what about you? What are you even standing on? It’s pretty obvious you aren't standing on anything, seeing as you're just attacking me without a single shred of actual evidence. Seriously, ever since we started this whole back-and-forth, you haven't provided
even one single valid argument to support your stance. Now that I've essentially shut down your point (at least the most important part of it), you've completely lost the plot, and instead of admitting it, you've decided—despite me telling you it would make you look silly—to just double down on trying to discredit the report and the people who wrote it. Honestly, I guess it's just easier than opening your eyes and facing reality! 🙂
Jose Stewart7 said:That’s your first "truth" that isn't true. IBM and a huge amount of other major players have poured massive investments into J2EE and Java, so the fate of Java isn't tied to the fate of Sun Microsystems at all.
Oh, it is absolutely tied to it: when the main creator and driving force behind Java goes under, everyone else is going to take a very hard look at why that happened. Besides, there is a massive difference between just implementing Java solutions and selling tools, versus actually developing the language itself, managing the virtual machine, and pushing constant innovations. IBM and the rest didn't INVENT Java; they just took it from Sun Microsystems exactly as it was. Once they're left on their own and forced to keep evolving it, you really have to wonder if they'll even bother. It’d be way easier for them to just pivot over to .NET.
Jose Stewart7 said:You start with 1 site and end up with 20 -> that's huge penetration.
The other guy starts with 100,000 and goes to 100,010 -> that's much lower penetration :-) Statistics are a funny thing.
The report clearly shows that Microsoft has the highest penetration everywhere. This is the exact opposite of what you were claiming in your earlier posts when you insisted Microsoft had almost zero footprint in the enterprise space. Using that "20 sites" example is just being disingenuous because you're ignoring relative growth and focusing strictly on absolute numbers, which honestly just looks like you can't read the document even when it's laid out right in front of you! Why can't you just look at what it actually says without all the bias???
Jose Stewart7 said:It didn't say server OS, it said OS, and most of those numbers are just desktop Windows OS, so again, you're just blurring the lines and presenting things however you want them to look.
That is simply not true: it explicitly stated
just server! If you just take a second to look at page 61, the statistics there specifically address the question:
"Which of these server OS platforms does your organization currently use?"[/b]
Jose Stewart7 said:Look, you’ve gotta understand that when we're talking about DBMS, you measure them by the actual volume of storage they're handling, not just how many instances you have running around—and honestly, I didn't see a single word about that in your little "research" project anywhere!
I mean, who even gives a damn about how much actual storage space those databases are eating up? Honestly, at the end of the day, that's just noise. What actually matters—the only thing that really moves the needle here—is just how many SQL Server or Oracle instances you're running. That's where the real story is. Sold! It’s finally gone, folks!Look, I don't care if you're running massive enterprise systems or just some tiny little databases that barely hit two kilobytes—it honestly doesn't matter! At the end of the day, all that matters is the raw numbers: how many ones versus how many zeros we're talking about. And let me tell you, if you actually take a second to look at page 65 of that report, it’s glaringly obvious that Microsoft is absolutely crushing it in the database arena too! Seriously, man, you really need to dig into this more!
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Jose Stewart7 said:Honestly, this just goes to show exactly what kind of technical depth we're dealing with when it comes to your analysts. Like, seriously, an app server and a hardware server are two completely different beasts, but I guess when you throw around a heavy word like "enterprise," people just start nodding along without actually knowing what they're talking about.
Haha, I knew it! I freaking knew you’d eventually try to drag the credibility of the people who wrote this report through the mud. Honestly, what a massive, brainless move—I don't even think I need to explain how much of a blunder that is. But man, it’s actually pretty fascinating to watch: the second they say something that doesn't fit your little narrative, you immediately jump to trying to disqualify them entirely. You can try to write them off all you want, really, but it isn't going to change the fact that Microsoft and .NET are absolutely crushing it and dominating the market you're so obsessed with. And honestly, I don't even get why you care so much about this specific niche in the first place, because you claim to be this huge expert, yet you couldn't even wrap your head around basic grammar. That alone just screams that you have this totally ignorant attitude toward actual learning. If you ever wanted to actually be a real professional, you'd realize you need both foundational knowledge and actual craft, and you can't just gloss over that. But you clearly lack that, because you're missing the fundamental stuff you should have learned ages ago.
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Jose Stewart7 said:You’re honestly hilarious. I bet you were that kid in the middle of Target throwing a total tantrum just because you didn't get that one specific toy you wanted, right? And man, I actually feel bad for your boyfriend—not even because he's stuck using .NET, though that’s a choice, but just because he’s going to have to deal with all this. Seriously though, where is all this frustration and insecurity even coming from? It's wild.
Look, I know I can be a total riot—people tell me all the time that I’m funny and actually pretty sharp—but you? You just aren't fun at all. Honestly, you come off as way too full of yourself and you constantly talk down to everyone else in the room. You really need to take a second and ask yourself why you do that, you know? Like, why do you act like you’re the only person on the planet who knows anything? It’s honestly exhausting. Your whole cold, condescending vibe is exactly what pushed my buttons and triggered this reaction from me. Maybe I should just regret even getting sucked into this debate in the first place, because let's be real, trying to "re-educate" someone to actually show some basic human decency is a massive, uphill battle. In your case, I don't think I've got the stamina to pull it off. And honestly, I feel bad that you're wired this way. That's really on me, though—it was my own mistake to care, since your attitude shouldn't even be my problem to deal with.
Daniel Fowler9🙄
slycrane94 said:Nah, I think the moderator is actually about to lose their mind and shut this whole thread down.
But hey, I'm in a pretty decent mood right now—just grabbing some food and 😁—so I'll give Daniel Fowler9 a fair shot to at least drop a link to the report she's pulling all this data from.
Look, slycrane94, I already handed that document over to Jose Stewart7 and Shadowman, so you aren't going to find it just wandering around the web. You should probably just ask one of those two to pass it along to you. And seriously, why did you go and change my thread title??? I really don't think that was cool.
Daniel Fowler9🙄
Hey there, fellow software geeks,
I’ve been crunching the numbers, and honestly, if you look at what’s happening in the industry this year, it’s pretty obvious there are some massive winning streaks happening for Microsoft, their server OS lineup, and especially the .NET ecosystem. 🙂
On the flip side—and I mean this with total confidence—things are looking pretty shaky for J2EE, specifically because Sun Microsystems is basically sliding toward a cliff right now. And let's be real, if Sun goes under, Java goes down with them; neither IBM nor anyone else is going to bother babysitting that old dinosaur once the parent company folds, and the whole thing will probably just splinter into a million incompatible messes, which isn't an issue right now only because Sun keeps a tight leash on Java.
So, check out these hard truths
0) When it comes to software vendors, Microsoft has the absolute king of "penetration testing" reach, and honestly, only Symantec, Verisign, and Oracle even come close to their footprint.
1) If you look at the heavy hitters, the vast majority of server operating systems running the world are Windows-based, not Linux, not Unix, and definitely not Solaris; Microsoft's servers are just dominating the landscape, and you can't argue with that math.
2) Out of all the Linux distributions out there, Red Hat is the big player, followed by a decent amount of SUSE and then Mandrake, but everything else is basically a rounding error in terms of actual user numbers.
3) In the world of DBMS, Microsoft SQL Server is actually leading the pack, not Oracle, despite what some people might mistakenly think.
4) Looking at app servers, Oracle holds the top spot, followed by IBM's, while Sun's is trailing behind significantly—but wait until you see the next point.
5) Even though Microsoft doesn't actually make J2EE app servers, Microsoft Windows offers server functionality that most users find to be a seriously powerful alternative to J2EE. Right now, the ratio of J2EE to Microsoft (.NET) is sitting at about 48% to 52% in favor of J2EE solutions (and keep in mind, that includes every single J2EE solution out there, regardless of who makes it!), but the trend is moving so fast that we’re going to see that flip to 52% for Microsoft in no time at all!
6) We're seeing a massive surge in companies integrating web services into their IT setups, but the number of .NET-based web services is absolutely crushing the number of J2EE ones—we're talking a 50% to 11% split in favor of Microsoft, with the remaining percentage being companies running both simultaneously—and that gap is only getting wider.
So, the writing is on the wall: Microsoft is winning the game, and Sun and J2EE are losing it. 😁 Now, I know the skeptics will jump in saying, "But wait, Sun doesn't own J2EE alone! You still have Oracle, IBM, BEA, and the rest!"
Well, yeah, sure, you do, but once Sun hits the skids, nobody is going to invest in developing J2EE anymore, and Java will just fade away, which, frankly, I can't wait to see. Jose Stewart7 and the rest of you should probably jump on the almighty .NET bandwagon while you still have the chance. 🙂
To the rest of you hanging out on the forums, I'll just say this:
just click this link and download Quake 2 written entirely in .NET!!!!!
Once Jose Stewart7 or Gary Lee53 (or whatever other sucker) manages to pull this off in Java and makes it run just as smooth and beautiful, then maybe we can talk. Until then, let's just enjoy playing Quake 2 and marveling at this gorgeous .NET code that proves you can build absolutely state-of-the-art, professional, and stunning games using .NET!
Daniel Fowler9🙄