Posts by Jesse Lopez87

Jamie Fowler2 said:So, you're telling me you just don't have the time to practice the forms?

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I actually never said that. It’s not a matter of finding the hours in the day; I've always had the time, I just only recently started taking my training seriously enough to make it a real priority.

ruggedfalcon2 said:-I've spent my entire life training under various masters and interacting with their respective schools....
-What do you mean by "modifications" to Wing Chun? I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. There isn't such a thing as three different forms of Wing Chun... don't you even know that? All this talk about Tan sau and things like that is just nonsense. Tan sau is always Tan sau... one movement is just one movement... much like how a cross in boxing is just a cross... sure, people like Tyson and Muhammad Ali don't execute it identically, but no sane person would claim there are "modified versions" of boxing where we say there's a Mavrović school, a Tyson school, and so on... the way you're speaking makes me think you don't actually know much about Wing Chun...
-Yes, "secret" forms exist, and "secret" drills exist too..
-I run my own Wing Chun school... and if you look at my previous replies, you'll understand why I don't claim to teach "Ting's style"... I'm telling you, there is no such thing as a Ting style... just learn the basics first..

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Alright, where is this school of yours located? I'd love to come by and see it sometime (we can coordinate via PM).

Have you ever actually sat through a training session with Bagadur or within the Lok Yiu organization? If you have, and you still can't see the difference... then I really don't know what else to tell you...
Which masters have you trained under?

Look, man, there aren't any "secret" techniques. If you master the techniques from the three forms, you can block and defend against pretty much any kind of strike from any direction or height. Why would you even need more techniques when those are sufficient? Trying to cram in extra moves usually just slows down your actual progress. It’s better to drill five movements perfectly than to try and juggle a hundred; if I focus on just five, I'll end up being better than someone practicing a hundred because I've mastered my five. It's the same logic as saying someone who spends three years focusing solely on Siu Nim Tao will likely outperform someone who spent those same three years trying to juggle all three forms and the wooden dummy.

ruggedfalcon2 said:No, there isn't. Wing Chun and Ving Chun and all that are just different ways of saying the same thing, by the way. After spending so many years training and living through the nuances of Wing Chun, I’m actually a little surprised you haven't picked up on that yet.
Ps. You mentioned that you now know who the best Wing Chun practitioners are? I'm curious, how and where did you come to that conclusion? I’d honestly love to find out myself who the absolute best is.

Since you mentioned seeing so many masters in person, would you mind sharing how much time you actually spent at each school or with different instructors?

The Wing Chun taught by one master is never quite the same as what another teaches. There isn't really such a thing as one "authentic" or "original" version of Wing Chun; instead, there are just various different modifications of it.

To give you an example: you might have seen Cheung performing techniques where Tan and Wu are held high at eye level, whereas Ting might keep Wu down at heart level. And don't even get me started on the footwork and stances... The reality is that it all falls under the umbrella of Wing Chun, and every style includes the three forms—the dummy, the sticks, and the poles. Every version utilizes Tan, Pak, Wu, and Bong, and while they look almost identical to the untrained eye, they aren't truly the same. Even a movement so subtle you can barely perceive it can make a massive difference in how the technique functions.

.. oops... SORRY, maybe your version of Wing Chun has its own secret forms too.

P.S. You noted that you practice under Trump's lineage, so I'm wondering why you aren't following the Ting system then?

ruggedfalcon2 said:Maybe spend a little more time looking into the history of this legend at this link: http://www.vingtsun.demon.co.uk/profile.htm

I mean, have you actually sat down and watched how IP Chun moves? My apologies—since you’re training within the Leung Ting system, I guess I was being a bit thick; of course you wouldn't notice the difference. I suppose when both sides claim to hold all the secret techniques and hidden forms, they both end up looking like "all-powerful masters" to themselves.
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ruggedfalcon2 said:Are you honestly suggesting that Grandmaster Wong has somehow risen from the grave? Or do you simply lack the basic awareness to realize the man has been gone for decades? ...Look, you really aren't qualified to weigh in on this since you don't even practice Wing Chun, so you haven't the slightest clue what we're talking about... Of course, you're entitled to your little list of favorites, but you should feel some shame for writing such things about Yip Mana's eldest son... the legendary IP Chun... a man respected by all the great masters... a true virtuoso... who, even at 80 years old, still holds his own perfectly in sparring against practitioners three times his age... and who, by the way, was honored with a special award for his contributions to the development of martial arts in the United Kingdom—something I actually witnessed firsthand when he received it during the first anniversary of Yip Mana in Hong Kong... have some respect.

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Wong hasn't been dead for decades; he passed away back in 1997.

Sorry man, but if we're being honest, IP Chun was just coasting along until he hit his 50s or 60s, and it wasn't until he ran low on cash that he actually started getting serious about Vin Cun. Look, my friend, I’ve got zero interest in listening to your lectures about these "GREAT" masters or "AUTHENTIC VIN CUN." He can claim his lineage all he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that his version of Vin Cun isn't worth much to me.

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1)Wong Shun Leung
2)Lok Yiu
3)Tsui Sheung Tin
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penultimate) Leung Ting
final) IP Chun (absolute legend)

Has anyone else had a chance to watch that video of IP Chuan?
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It was honestly pretty incredible🙂

Tyler Taylor6 said:So, are you actually practicing Kung Fu right now?

Not at the moment, no.

wanderingridge said:Did you forget to log out and accidentally log back in as someone else, then end up quoting yourself by mistake?
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No, I was actually just trying to add a few more thoughts to the previous post I had already submitted.
I honestly find it hard to believe you thought I was Commander Che; I promise I'm not some kind of unstable character.

Jesse Lopez87 said:maybe that "best" guy is just some random dude or maybe even Cheung.
At the very least, if you're going to debate me, please don't twist my words or misrepresent what I actually meant in my post.
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Besides, it feels like you might be the one who's actually spreading all this nonsense.😁 😁 😁

placidbison20 said:Even the best among us lose sometimes!
At the end of the day, nobody is truly invincible.

Of course, but someone really needs to share that clip with us so we can actually take a look.

For that monkey, Che.

I never actually claimed that Wong was never defeated; what I meant was that I find it hard to believe Cheung completely dominated him. It’s just that, as you pointed out, every master tends to boast about being the absolute best, and I suspect Cheung might be doing a bit of the same thing.
Look, if you’re going to engage in a discussion with me, I’d really appreciate it if you didn't misinterpret or twist my words just to suit your own point.
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vividhound24 said:Cheung! You probably wouldn't have even shared that video if you hadn't been totally blown away by it. 🙄 😁

I honestly find that hard to wrap my head around. Wong was actually one of the top four students of Yip. (Leung Sheung, Lok Yiu, Tsui Sheung Tin, and Bruce Lee.)

I’ve spent quite a bit of time going through some videos by W. Cheung, though I have to admit, he doesn't particularly stand out to me. His approach feels quite different from what everyone else is doing. For instance, when watching the first Tan and Wu forms, his posture seems a bit too high, and I can't help but feel his elbow is flared out a little too much during the transition. As for Wong, I have the "combat science" video, which I actually found to be decent. I also picked up Duncan Leung's "Basic Theories," but it reminded me a bit too much of Ting, so I wasn't exactly thrilled with it. It probably feels a little silly for me to be critiquing these things based solely on video, especially since I've never actually had the chance to see any of them demonstrate in person.

Do you happen to have anything else by Wong?

Peter Myers29 said:Yeah, honestly...

I haven't really heard back from anyone on this yet. Does anyone happen to remember which specific disciplines were being taught? I'm just guessing at this point—maybe things like Aikido, Kenjutsu, Wing Chun, some various Kung Fu styles, or maybe Kempo?

Taekwondo and Capoeira.

Tyler Taylor6 said:He probably just logged off and back on using a different handle... or maybe he did, but honestly, let's give him a break. He likely headed to bed early because he has a long day of lecturing students tomorrow, and as he mentioned, he’s hitting the gym for sparring three times a week. He’s constantly pulling on those gloves, so I think we should be understanding if he isn't responding right away.🙂

And you're being pretty silly too. I don't know how you can let someone that pathetic get under your skin like this.

There were only about nine or ten techniques shown, even though there were supposed to be twenty. I guess they probably had to cancel at the last minute...

Tyler Taylor6 said:I guess it’s hard to make things look too realistic because we don't want anyone actually getting hurt! But I was wondering what you thought about the Aikido demonstration? It was Iwama Ryu style—what did you think of the Wing Chun? Personally, I thought that whole Wing Chun segment was pretty incredible.

Also, seeing that little kid from the Kempo group smash through those three roof tiles was such a cool moment!🙂

Jesse Lopez87 was honestly great. The thing about Wing Chun is that the movements are so short and compact, which makes some people feel like it isn't practical, but they're just used to seeing those long, sweeping cinematic strikes in movies. I think they did a really honest job showing it for what it actually is. I didn't catch the Aikido part, though; we were busy practicing our own stuff while waiting for our turn.

Tyler Taylor6 said:Was anyone else there? I made it out, and it was alright, though the turnout felt a bit light. The Aikido demonstrations were actually pretty impressive, but I honestly couldn't follow a single thing the instructor from China was saying!🙂

The Wing Chun and Kempo practitioners seemed pretty solid too.

I have to say, though, the urban survival segment was definitely the weakest part of the whole event.

What did you think of the Kenjutsu demo?
The instructor from China started off by demonstrating BA Gua Zhang, and then moved into Xing Yi Quan right after.

Caine said:Cangelosi is a polarizing figure. On one hand, he actually spent quite a few years living in China, and both he and his students put on demonstrations that are supposedly top-tier. On the other hand, I suspect he might be a bit too young to have truly mastered all those different styles. I can see the Hung Gar part, but as for 😁 tai chi—in my humble opinion, based on what my own instructors told me, it takes about two years per style just to learn the basics, not even counting the time needed to actually master them. For BA Gua Zhang, you’re looking at anywhere from six months to two years depending on the school, provided you aren't lazy.

Tsui pa Hsien should basically be an eight-fold immortal. (Has anyone seen the Jackie Chan movie Drunken Master? Well, that isn't quite what I'm talking about 😁). It's a "soft" style where the specialty lies in maintaining perfect balance in every body position, fluid mobility, and chi kung. At least, that's my understanding from a few instructors I've met outside of China and Taiwan. Another name for it is Zui Xian quan

Ego, Ego, I sometimes find myself thinking that I'm practicing Xing Yi every single day just by hanging out on this forum 😁 😁 😁

PS Vještina is something you spend your entire life learning!