Who are your favorite "best" Chinese Wing Chun practitioners?

After years of deep diving into the lineage of living Wing Chun masters in China, I’ve finally landed on what I consider my definitive ranking—my personal favorites and the absolute best in my book:
1) Leung Ting
2) Victor Kann
3) Garry Lam
4) Hawkins Cheung
5) William Cheung
6) IP Ching (the youngest son of Yip mana)

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I honestly have no clue who any of these people are, but I happened to stumble upon some video clip online where apparently William Cheung was in it, getting into a scrap with someone. Honestly? It was painful to watch. Both of them were so hilariously bad that the whole fight looked less like a martial arts match and more like two little girls flailing their arms around in a tantrum.

wanderingridge said:I have no clue who you are, but I saw some video clip where apparently William Cheung was fighting someone... both of them were so hilariously bad it looked more like two little girls flailing around at each other.

It’s pretty unlikely you actually saw a video of William Cheung fighting... by the way, that "little girl" you're talking about was a Southeast Asian free fight champion... an instructor and idol for Bruce Lee, the head instructor for a US military base in Yokosuka, Japan—serving the Seventh Fleet, no less! Back in the day, he was measured as the fastest striker in the world (clocking 8.3 hand strikes per second in 1985 at the famous Harvard University Gait analysis Laboratory). In 1983, Black Belt named him Kung Fu Personality of the Year and inducted him into the Martial Arts Avenue... he had over 250 fights and wins against practitioners of various styles... a legend in organized street-fighting tournaments back in the seventies when he shocked everyone by taking down a legendary Russian fighter and bodyguard who outweighed him by 100 kg... he holds all sorts of records... for instance, he beat 32 opponents in a Chi Sao competition, one after another, in just ninety minutes... but sure, to a "keyboard warrior" like you, he fights like a "little girl."😂 🤣 God, the internet is something else... I'd love to see you in the ring with one of those "little girls."🤣 🤣

Look, I'm telling you, that guy in the video was SUPPOSEDLY him. But honestly? The fight was a total joke. Sure, when he swung, he was fast, but there was absolutely zero power behind it. And then he just flinches his head back like a coward to avoid getting hit—it was pathetic, really. Just a complete washout.
I’m not claiming it’s definitely him—I’ve never actually laid eyes on the guy, so how could I know? I don't care if people say he was some big-shot champion; I'm just reporting what I saw and what I read. For all we know, it might not even be him.
And let's get one thing straight: I never once claimed to be some kind of grandmaster, so your little theory about me being some "virtual expert" is completely baseless.

wanderingridge said:I'm telling you, that guy in the video was ALLEGEDLY him. The fight itself was honestly a joke—when he landed hits, they were fast, sure, but there was zero power behind them. Plus, he kept pulling his head back just to avoid getting hit... he looked completely overwhelmed.
Look, I'm not claiming it's him. I've never actually met the guy, so I don't know. I don't know what kind of champion he was; I'm just repeating what I saw and read. It might not even be him.
And for the record, I never claimed to be some kind of master, so your little jab about me being a "virtual expert" doesn't really hold water.

You have a reputation for looking down on masters and certain martial arts, which is why I brought it up... honestly, basing an opinion on some random video clip when you can't even verify if it's authentic is a pretty serious way to disrespect anyone, let alone a grand master like Cheung!

Look, obviously. btwnsam wasn't bashing your master; I was just stating what I saw and read with my own eyes. I was criticizing the guy in the video, not him.
Now, I’m honestly not sure if you even grasp the distinction there.

1)Wong Shun Leung
2)Lok Yiu
3)Tsui Sheung Tin
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penultimate) Leung Ting
final) IP Chun (absolute legend)

Has anyone else had a chance to watch that video of IP Chuan?
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It was honestly pretty incredible🙂

wanderingridge said:Of course. btwnsam wasn't disparaging your master—I was just stating what I saw and read. I was criticizing the guy in the video.
a now I'm not sure if you even know the difference.

I have no idea which video you were watching...

Jesse Lopez87 said:1) Wong Shun Leung
2) Lok Yiu
3) Tsui Sheung Tin
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penultimate) Leung Ting
last) IP Chun (terrifying)

Has anyone seen the video of IP Chuan?
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Just... absolutely insane🙂

So, what you're saying is the great master Wong just rose from the grave? Or do you simply lack the basic knowledge to realize the man has been dead for decades? ...seriously.. You aren't even competent enough to weigh in here since you don't even train Wing Chun—you clearly have no clue what you're talking about... Sure, you can make your own little list of favorites... but you should be ashamed to write like that about Yip mana's eldest son... the legendary IP Chun... a man respected by all the great masters... a true virtuoso... who, at 80 years old, still holds his own perfectly while sparring with practitioners three times his age... and who, by the way, received a special award for contributions to martial arts development in the United Kingdom... I actually saw it happen with my own eyes when he was honored at the first anniversary of Yip mana in Hong Kong... honestly, have some shame...

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ruggedfalcon2 said:Are you honestly suggesting that Grandmaster Wong has somehow risen from the grave? Or do you simply lack the basic awareness to realize the man has been gone for decades? ...Look, you really aren't qualified to weigh in on this since you don't even practice Wing Chun, so you haven't the slightest clue what we're talking about... Of course, you're entitled to your little list of favorites, but you should feel some shame for writing such things about Yip Mana's eldest son... the legendary IP Chun... a man respected by all the great masters... a true virtuoso... who, even at 80 years old, still holds his own perfectly in sparring against practitioners three times his age... and who, by the way, was honored with a special award for his contributions to the development of martial arts in the United Kingdom—something I actually witnessed firsthand when he received it during the first anniversary of Yip Mana in Hong Kong... have some respect.

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Wong hasn't been dead for decades; he passed away back in 1997.

Sorry man, but if we're being honest, IP Chun was just coasting along until he hit his 50s or 60s, and it wasn't until he ran low on cash that he actually started getting serious about Vin Cun. Look, my friend, I’ve got zero interest in listening to your lectures about these "GREAT" masters or "AUTHENTIC VIN CUN." He can claim his lineage all he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that his version of Vin Cun isn't worth much to me.

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Jesse Lopez87 said:Wong hasn't been dead for decades—he passed away back in 1997.

If you actually know that, why are you acting like he's still around? The whole point here is about the wirelines. Maybe try reading a bit more carefully next time. [/B]

Jesse Lopez87 said:Look, man, IP Chun was basically just playing music until his 50s or 60s—it wasn't until he ran out of cash that he really dove into Vin Cun. Honestly, I'm just totally over all these "GREAT" masters and this "AUTHENTIC VIN CUN" nonsense. People can claim lineage from their old teachers all they want, even if their own Vin Cun isn't worth a damn.

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You aren't even qualified to talk since you don't practice Wing Chun... Every major master recognizes IP Chun, and he led the global organization and everything... so yeah, you're wrong. He started training when he was about ten years old (not sure of the exact age), but you clearly have no clue who this man was and yet you're talking trash... have some shame. Besides, are you saying all those people in the UK and the rest of the world opening schools based on IP Chun are just idiots? Give me a break.

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Do some reading on this legend at this link http://www.vingtsun.demon.co.uk/profile.htm...

ruggedfalcon2 said:Maybe spend a little more time looking into the history of this legend at this link: http://www.vingtsun.demon.co.uk/profile.htm

I mean, have you actually sat down and watched how IP Chun moves? My apologies—since you’re training within the Leung Ting system, I guess I was being a bit thick; of course you wouldn't notice the difference. I suppose when both sides claim to hold all the secret techniques and hidden forms, they both end up looking like "all-powerful masters" to themselves.
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Jesse Lopez87 said:Have you even watched how IP Chun moves? Oh, wait—sorry, since you train in the Leung Ting system, how stupid of me... of course you wouldn't get the difference. I mean, when they both know all the secret techniques and forms and are both "all-powerful masters," right?
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Yeah, I've seen IP Chun in action, and I actually really like his approach. But have *you* actually seen him? For instance, at the first summit celebrating the great Yip mana's anniversary... IP Chun was assigned a demonstration involving the wooden dummy and Chi Sao, and he absolutely blew away the top global Wing Chun experts (Lok Yiu, Cheung, Clive Poter, Tsui Sheung Tin, etc.) by the way. They were the ones who chose him for the presentation... as for you calling yourself stupid, that’s pretty honest of you, so 👍 but where did you get the idea that I train using the "Ting system"? 😕 Did I ever actually claim that, or is this just another one of your wild exaggerations? On another note, why don't you explain to me what this "Ting system" actually is? Does your own personal system exist, too? I've encountered plenty of schools run by various masters, but it’s always just been Wing Chun and nothing else... maybe you, being a true Vin Pljuger, could teach me about all these different "styles"... I'm waiting impatiently...

What an absolute joke of a thread.

I honestly don't know how you all fall for this every single time.

Look, Kyle Murphy2, there will always be naive people and fools out there.

Now that we’ve finally established who the top Wing Chun practitioners actually are, I want to hear your takes. Who are the best Wing Chun stylists in your eyes?

Also, does "Vin Chun" even exist? Is there an actual difference between that and Wing Chun, or is it just people who can't spell talking?

ruggedfalcon2 said:After years of deep-diving and analyzing the living Chinese masters of Wing Chun, I’ve landed on what I consider my personal top six favorites:
1) Leung Ting
2) Victor Kann
3) Garry Lam
4) Hawkins Cheung
5) William Cheung
6) IP Ching (the youngest son of Yip mana)

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I'm not sure if he's originally from China, but personally, I think Che is the best.
He's even humble enough that he didn't include himself in that top six list. 🙂

Kyle Murphy2 said:Man, what a total troll thread.

I honestly don't know how you guys fall for this every single time!

You weren't even involved, but you just couldn't help yourself, could you? Hmm... clearly this has been eating at you for days, and today you finally decided—screw it, I'm jumping in—to try and shut down this trolling with one "wise" and "insightful" post. Bravo. Truly. 👍

placidbison20 said:Look, Agnus, there will always be naive people and fools around...

So, which one are you... the first or the second?

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