John Perez13 said:Why would anyone get pissed? If we’re debating and talking things out, there’s no reason to lose your cool. You respect the person you're talking to, you listen to what they have to say, and you either accept it if it makes sense or shut them down with actual counterarguments. Right now, the Black Knights have everything that defines a real supporter group—they're more than just a crowd, they're a damn unit!!!
1. We actually have the muscle to drive change.
2. We command respect from other groups and different parts of society (unless we fail to respect ourselves first).
3. We’ve got the mainstream right behind us.
4. We have the numbers—massive presence both when we travel and at home (three full sections standing on their feet).
5. Our chanting is better than it has EVER been.
6. We’ve got the crew for the streets (when we actually stick together and stay united).
7. We’ve got the marketing side down.
8. We’ve got younger guys who are hungry to push this group even further.
9. We have kids in the stands (bless 'em) and we have the Kansas City Chiefs, we have OUR KANSAS CITY CHIEFS who came about because this group fought for them. In the last ten years, we’ve kicked out three different management boards; other groups can't even be bothered to lift a finger, let alone handle business. We’ve got the foundation for the future, we just need to get everyone pulling in the same direction. If these young guns pull it off, we’ll be in another galaxy.
That’s what we have RIGHT NOW, but whether we still have it by 2018 is anyone's guess. The changes happening today won't really show results for another two or three seasons. Whether that outcome is good or bad for the group depends entirely on whoever takes the reins during the next assembly. Look, I’m an optimist by nature. A total positive guy. I believe in the good stuff!
As for what dueleggie was rambling about, it doesn't have anything to do with the group itself; it’s about the mentality and the DNA of our people. That's just how we are. These issues he’s whining about existed in '83, '94, 2004, and 2012... they'll still be here in 2025 because it's baked into our default setting. What kind of people are we? Well, just look at the state of this country.
Man, this is all just a load of crap about things we 100% don't actually have... and even the stuff we do have is useless without those things... honestly, your post is a textbook example of what destroys a group... too much idealism and not enough reality check...
1. What "muscle"? What "change" have we actually brought about? When was our last real fight? Has the code even been adopted? Most people cared more about seeing their own banner fly than anything else.
2. We "have respect" only because we're loud on the internet and occasionally make a splash at European away games, if that even counts... but the apple is rotten to the core. Social layers?? Please. For the last year or two, people have been mocking the Black Knights all over town, except for the few guys who never left their tiny neighborhood and think having 120 identical murals of the Kansas City Chiefs logo crammed into two square feet is peak culture... being "1950" is basically a synonym for a joke; it’s no wonder people lose it when someone starts acting like a big shot after a campaign.
5. There’s been some movement, sure, but we’ve barely reached the level of being able to drink two beers properly without making a mess, rushing things, or acting like idiots and throwing cheap shots when it's totally unnecessary.
6. When was the last time we actually held our own on the street? And I’m not talking about some 5-on-5 or 10-on-10 little skirmish, I mean as a cohesive group.
Don't even try to argue with me on this, I'll just end up losing my mind...
p.s. eurostar is right—I don't know who they are, but I'm glad to see more and more that the younger guys actually understand what the hell is going on.