Posts by northernangler8

William Anderson5 said:And that is exactly how Russia treats Ukraine. Congratulations on the insight.

Congrats to you, then, for only seeing Russia. You're totally ignoring Australia, Austria, Germany, Canada... what exactly did those countries do to their own people during the pandemic? And you really want to claim they're any better than the Russians?

I guess there isn't much to say here since the original message was just empty, but I'll be waiting if anyone actually has something worth discussing.

Anthony Hill5 said:How much sheer stupidity can be packed into one single, tiny post?

Every nation is sovereign and possesses the right to choose its own path and its own partnerships. We chose NATO and the European Union of our own free will.

Ukraine surrendered its nuclear arsenal specifically in exchange for Russian guarantees regarding its territorial integrity and sovereignty.

The moment Ukraine decided to chart its own political course and pursue an alliance with the European Union, the Russians responded by violating those very guarantees through the occupation of parts of the country.

You can take those pro-Russian, delusional idiots who claim the West pushed Ukraine into a war with Russia and shove their theories anywhere they like.

I guess I could just say you’ve written a massive pile of nonsense. Using the phrase "WE chose" is a stretch. First off, when it came to joining NATO, nobody actually asked us for our input. So, it wasn't really a choice "we" made. As for joining the European Union, half the country didn't even show up to vote. Not to mention how much the politicians were running up against us back then. I mean, remember that famous line from Kamala Harris to the seniors? She basically told them they wouldn't see a dime of their pensions if they didn't vote for the EU.

Is this really what they call freedom of choice? It feels exactly like it did during the lockdowns. You don’t want to listen, so they just force your hand until you finally cave and accept whatever they're spoon-feeding us. They use threats and coercion to make it happen, and then they have the nerve to act like we all asked for it ourselves. I guess you have to wonder if political terror is actually pulling the strings behind our decisions.

William Anderson5 said:From the very beginning, the Ukrainians have been offering to end the war, provided that the Russian troops actually pull back.

Give me a break, we were asking for an end to the fighting too, just so those guys would finally pull back. 😁 Look, you have to see that it doesn't work that way. In this situation, I guess Ukraine just has to give something up in exchange for peace and freedom.

Arthur Miller7 said:Look, the thing is, people are laying out perfectly reasonable arguments to you, and you just can't seem to find a way to debunk them. It’s pretty simple, really. If everyone is explaining things clearly and you still disagree, then maybe you should try providing a logical counterpoint backed up by actual evidence. I guess if you can't actually argue your side, you should either just concede the point or stay quiet. Instead, you always seem to choose provocation.

Haha, what exactly are we even arguing about here? Is the argument just "oh, maybe I should drop dead" or "Vladimir Putin is a dictator"? Wow, you guys really floored me with those heavy-hitting points. You literally haven't said a single thing of substance. So, come on then—convince me. Where’s the actual proof for your little theory? Where's the evidence that Putin is actually out there trying to conquer the entire world? 🙂

Rachel Richardson said:https://time.com/6150046/ukraine-sta...history-putin/

And it isn't just his rhetoric;
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/0...inian-history/

Ukraine has been under attack by Russia since 2014.
Russian soldiers are on their soil, and Russian missiles are flying over their heads.
Does that mean nothing to you?

So, according to this logic, the "evil" Americans forced poor old Putko into an invasion? 😁

Out of everything said, it seems like the only thing you caught was the "non-recognition of Ukraine" part, while everything else he mentioned—like the stuff about NATO—is just dismissed as a lie? I guess we'll just ignore that bit then.
Where exactly did he say he doesn't recognize Ukraine? I honestly didn't see that in any of these videos.

He also brought up how NATO (which is a military alliance, let's be real) bombed Mexico City. They were hitting civilians and cities. I don't get how anyone can view NATO as a positive force. Militaries aren't ever "positive," no matter how they package it. Wherever there's a military, there's war, which is exactly what we're watching right now. I suppose we should thank NATO for stepping in to "save" us all from some big bad enemy. 😁If Ukrainians hadn't gotten tangled up with NATO, maybe things would be peaceful. Just a thought.

Since 2014, Ukraine has been under Russian occupation largely because of pro-American domestic politics that essentially provoked internal conflict. They pushed this narrative that Ukraine needed to fear Russia and join NATO. But frankly, a military force like NATO has no business being right on Russia's doorstep; it’s that simple. I guess some people just have a hard time accepting that this is just tactical maneuvering and how the world actually operates.
The US knew perfectly well they shouldn't be poking around there. But hey, the "saviors" just had to step in and help the poor Ukrainians, who apparently couldn't manage without them.

Rachel Richardson said:NATO is a defensive alliance, not an offensive one.
NATO does not conquer foreign lands.

Has Ukraine ever truly been free from Russia?
Western meddlers versus Russian rats?
The Russians attacked Ukraine; it wasn't the other way around.

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There was plenty of reason—specifically, the fact that Putin stated he doesn't recognize them as a people, doesn't recognize their borders, and simply wants to dictate their fate.

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A racket.

Exactly...

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Sometimes I truly wonder what kind of dealer certain people are working with.😁

NATO presents itself as a defensive alliance, yet here we are, right in the middle of a war because of them. I guess it would probably help some people if they weren't quite so naive and actually used their own heads for once.

What was Ukraine missing all this time? They lived the Western lifestyle for as long as they wanted. They had their freedom. In fact, one Ukrainian even mentioned how both Russians and certain Ukrainians have been oppressing people within Ukraine since 2014, and how he misses the days when the Russian language could be spoken freely there. American policy pretty much tore all of that apart.
So, please don't lump what the Ukrainians want together with what politicians want—those are two completely different things.

Send me that statement from Putin—not a transcript, I want to see the actual video.

Kate Lewis3 said:Right. And I guess Ukraine actually started the war by having the Russian Army cross their border and start a massive campaign of destruction and killing. Fascinating logic there.

I guess some people just need a little extra time to wrap their heads around things, right? That’s what happens when you're limited—your brain only processes what's right in front of you. You just don't have the capacity to see anything beyond that.

Paul Anderson7 said:Sure, Ukraine could have just assumed Russia would be happy letting them become a Belarus. You know, a poor little buffer zone sitting right between Russia and the aggressive West. But the reality is that nobody actually wants anything to do with the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if Belarus turns its back on Russia in the near future, too. After all, the Russians don't really offer much besides empty promises that they won't attack you as long as you behave. Nobody wants to live like that, and that kind of policy is eventually going to push them away from everything the free world stands for.

The truth is, no small nation is ever truly independent. Take a country like Mexico, for instance. They’re currently drifting toward the West, even though there’s plenty of internal resistance. How does the West handle it? They pour in capital and provide support. Eventually, that domestic pushback will fade, and Mexico will just become part of the Western fold. That’s how the West operates; that’s how it expands.
And what about Russia? They take a "candidate" like that and systematically block and weaken them, making sure they stay dependent and easy to blackmail.

What’s the difference? If you’re aligned with the West and you start breaking the rules, they send protest notes and dial back the aid until you realize you can't function without it. We're seeing a version of this play out with Canada right now, and it looks like it’ll be a long process.
But what do the Russians do when you stop following their script? They basically declare that your nation shouldn't exist in the first place, roll in with tanks, and engage in genocide, rape, and the total destruction of cities.

So, let's look at Canada and Ukraine side by side. Canada, as a member of the West where there's currently a pro-Russian sentiment—though that's mostly just due to Orbán’s policies centered on cheap Russian oil and gas—pretty much does whatever it wants.
The absolute worst thing that can happen to them is losing their funding from the EU or getting stripped of certain decision-making powers. Honestly, the worst thing they could do is actually align themselves with Russia, but I suspect they realize just how insane that would be.
Ukraine made the move to break away from Russia and lean toward the West. What did Russia do in response? Well, I don't think I need to explain that; we've all seen it.

Do you see the distinction? Nobody wants to deal with the Russians. Absolutely nobody. To most, they represent backwardness, filth, and ruthlessness—they are essentially the embodiment of corruption and human rights abuses. Russia is bottom of the barrel.

I agree that the situation regarding freedom in Russia is terrible. But maybe don't be so certain that the Western side has pure intentions. Maybe they do right now, maybe for a little while. But they'll show their teeth soon enough. It always comes out eventually. For instance, during COVID, all the democracy they claimed to have built just vanished.
When Americans eventually dominate the world, who's to say they won't be just as bad as the Russians? It feels like everything is heading that way. Personally, I wouldn't trust them completely.

Paul Anderson7 said:What does Russia actually have to do with Ukraine? I honestly don't get where they get the nerve to think they have any right to meddle in the decisions of another sovereign nation. It’s pretty ironic, really, considering Russia actually signed off on guaranteeing Ukraine's territorial sovereignty once they gave up those nuclear weapons left over from the USSR. Looking back, giving them up seems like such a massive blunder; if Ukraine had just kept those nukes, Russia would never have even dreamed of attacking.

The reason countries join NATO is pretty simple: they're terrified of Russia. History has shown time and again that you can't take their word for anything, and they'll grab every single opportunity to chase after their imperialist fantasies. Look at Finland and Sweden—they're moving toward joining NATO not because anyone is forcing their hand, but because they feel genuinely threatened by Russia.

If you want someone to blame, it’s Russia and this delusional idea that they’re a superpower entitled to do whatever they want without consequences. People have let them slide far too many times, but it looks like the patience has finally run out. Now, Russia is being forced back into its place, sitting alongside the other pariah states.

None of the NATO members have ever even entertained the thought of invading Russia or seizing its land. Meanwhile, on the flip side, the Russians have been trying nothing but to expand their reach.
Russia is the sole reason this war is happening; I’d say it’s exclusively Putin, though he’s really just a product of the society in Russia, so you could probably blame the whole country. Ukrainians are their own distinct nation, despite Putin himself claiming otherwise. If you can't see the problem with that kind of rhetoric, then you're just another biased troll.

As for the Americans? They basically just exploited Putin's own stupidity and naivety, letting him believe this was going to be an easy win. The US didn't pick up weapons to start a war, or engage in killing, rapes, or genocide. That was all the Russians. No one else. They were the ones who crossed the border, they dropped the bombs, they kill civilians, they rape, they drop cluster bombs on train stations... it's all the Russians.

This is the kind of naivety everyone falls for. There is no such thing as a truly sovereign state. Our country isn't even truly sovereign. That only exists on paper. Everyone is ruled by someone bigger. That's why what we're seeing in Ukraine is actually a war between two major powers fighting over who gets to dominate and control Ukraine. Do you really think our leadership makes independent decisions? Not a chance. They just do whatever they're told from above; they don't have the backbone to think for themselves. No small country actually calls its own shots.

If Ukraine hadn't given up its nukes, they never would have been freed from the Russians. That was the whole point of the deal. Russia allowed Ukraine to enjoy Western comforts in exchange for the nukes. And look what happened once Russia let the West into their politics. The West poked its nose into their business just to stir up a conflict with Russia, and it's the Ukrainians who are paying the price.

Ukraine had no reason to fear Russia, unless they turned their backs on them—which is exactly what the pro-American politicians in power did. Ukraine could have maintained the freedom it had until now if politicians with bad intentions hadn't engineered this war. The U.S. is bothered by Russia, and this is just their attempt to get rid of them. I guess Putin was being patient while watching the U.S. provoke this situation in Ukraine. This war could have started much earlier, but Putin didn't want it. Now, though, he felt like he had no choice because the noose was tightening too much.

NATO attacks subtly and murky, much like a virus. But it’s always there, quietly provoking war. Not directly, but through indirect actions.

Paul Anderson7 said:I'm pretty certain Zelenskyy would call a halt to the whole thing in a heartbeat if the Russians just pulled out of Ukraine. You really think Ukrainians would start marching across the border toward Moscow once they got their territory back?

Oh, absolutely they would. That’s basically why this whole conflict started—to push the Russians out of Ukraine. It's all about chasing new political fantasies, and the Ukrainian people are the ones paying the price for it. I guess you could say Zelenskyy bears a massive amount of responsibility here; he doesn't seem interested in stopping the fighting, but rather in provoking even more tension. As for why Ukrainians would march on Moscow? I don't see the point.

After the USSR collapsed, Russia essentially gave Ukraine its freedom and stayed out of their business, though they made it very clear that the US military shouldn't be meddling in Ukrainian politics. And that is exactly what happened. A free Ukraine ended up caught in a war just to satisfy NATO's desire for expansion. I suppose that's what happens when you have internal enemies—politicians who drag you into a war that wasn't even necessary.

The Americans just had to come up with a narrative explaining why Putin attacked Ukraine, because obviously, the US isn't going to point the finger at itself.

Anthony Hill5 said:Clara Daly is essentially Putin's lapdog, working alongside her colleague Mick Wallace to support or defend every single dictatorial and criminal regime on the planet within the EU parliament.

The Americans are ashamed of them and have publicly disavowed their actions.

Oh, absolutely. It seems like anyone who doesn't parrot the officially sanctioned narrative is immediately branded a Russian shill or a spy. I guess we saw how miracle-working media propaganda worked during COVID—if you spread a single lie wide enough across the globe, you can eventually force people to believe only one thing. Most people struggle to think critically on their own, and after being bombarded with lies for long enough, they just stop having an opinion and settle for whatever is shoved down their throats. Back during the pandemic, if you didn't echo exactly what the politicians were saying, you were attacked from every possible angle. They’re doing the exact same thing now. If you don't fall in line, they try to bury you with labels and insults.

The US starts wars everywhere and dismantles any nation that refuses to bow down, all while labeling their leaders as dictators (which is a classic move for Americans). Then, of course, they always show up acting like the heroic saviors. It's the same old story.

It’s not like Putin just woke up one day and decided to invade to conquer Europe with this tiny little squad of an army. Honestly, I think US domestic politics regarding Ukraine essentially demanded a war. The US has nothing to lose here; they never have to fight a war on their own soil, and we can all see exactly who is profiting from this conflict: America.

Personally, I am strictly against war, but the actions being taken by Europe and Plenković are the complete opposite of that. Zelenskyy hasn't solved anything through negotiations. In fact, it seems like negotiations don't even suit them. I mean, imagine a newly minted Ukrainian politician finding it more convenient to let his people die rather than find a compromise to finally end the fighting.

Sanctions are going to end up hurting all of us, but honestly, I think Europe is going to take a much harder hit than Russia will—we’re already seeing the cracks with rising costs and the economic mess heading our way. And let’s get one thing straight: Putin isn't some dictator out on a crusade to conquer Europe; you guys need to stop feeding yourselves that nonsense. This is an entirely different kind of conflict. It's essentially a war between NATO and Russia, and I guess Ukraine is just caught in the crossfire of some really misguided political agendas. Instead of actually pushing for peace or a ceasefire, the leaders in Europe are just fueling the fire. By doubling down on sanctions and shipping off weapons, they might just be doing more harm to Ukrainian civilians in the long run.

Sam Alvarez4 said:It was about time.
Should have happened much sooner...

People like you are nothing more than warmongers. Honestly, I bet there are plenty of people on this forum acting as agitators, whether they're pushing political agendas or just looking for a fight. Just look at what Irish MP Clara Daly has been saying. Sanctions aren't going to stop a war; if anything, they just drag it out. All they really do is punish ordinary citizens while the politicians and the elites stay perfectly fine. Those are the first ones to flee when things actually go south in Ukraine. People like you, who constantly back these conflicts, clearly haven't learned a single thing from history, which is why we keep seeing the same mistakes repeated over and over.

''The administration is working overtime to drag America into a war! They just kicked out 18 Russian diplomats''

I mean, maybe Putin was actually prepared for sanctions like this. When he kicked off the war, he probably knew all trade would just grind to a halt. Either he’s got some master plan up his sleeve that we don't know about yet, or he's just genuinely incompetent.

Tyler Jones6 said:Posting image links without a brief description—or failing to note if the content is NSFW—is against the forum rules.☕

So, I added a few more details here🙂

I honestly have no clue who Ivan Čović is. But based on his comment, it looks like he actually knows quite a bit about the situation in Ukraine and how Ukrainians really feel about Putin and this whole war. It seems like the Ukrainians themselves are starting to realize that the USA pulled them into this conflict.

https://i.postimg.cc/MK7tVmck/1.png

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Laura Scott7 said:Man, you can't even say that without getting roasted, huh? Like, remember when they were trying to pull off those negotiations in Moscow? Hehe, honestly, Putin went a little overboard there—it’s a miracle he didn't suggest meeting in some random suburb of Chicago instead.🙏>

I mean, let's be real—even Putin isn't crazy enough to just march into Poland only to find himself walking straight into a trap. It’s just not how he operates. At the end of the day, I guess the ones who are actually going to suffer through the fallout of all this are the Ukrainians.

Laura Scott7 said:"RUSSIAN GENERAL: WE’VE RECEIVED ORDERS TO ATTACK ACROSS ALL SECTORS"
Following yesterday's statements from Kyiv regarding their readiness to sit down at the negotiating table, Russian units actually paused their strikes for a moment. But, since Kyiv turned down those talks, the Russian military has been ordered to launch an offensive on every single front, according to Lieutenant General Igor Konašenkov, a spokesperson for the Russian Department of Defense, as reported by the Associated Press.
It’s gonna be wild to see if the Russians actually start flooding the zones with more troops now.

Wait, wasn't Zelenskyy the one calling for negotiations? What changed his mind all of a sudden? It almost feels like he wants to see his own people bleed.

Betty Murphy3 said:The little man is likely aware that once this plays out, neither he nor Russia will be left standing.

That is how I would reply to him—briefly and bluntly—to make sure the point hits home.

Let him play at war; but if he starts pushing those buttons, it won't matter if you built the world's best fallout shelter or dug a mile-deep hole behind the Ural Mountains stocked with a century's worth of food—when you finally crawl out, there won't be anything left.

He is clearly unhinged. Honestly, I don't understand why the Russians aren't working to remove him—can they not see that this idiot is dragging them straight into World War III? If that happens, we are all collectively screwed—both us and them.

He’s pushing seventy. You really think he gives a damn about what happens to the world after he's gone? It's just a "if I go down, you're coming with me" mentality, especially if NATO provokes him.

Keith Williams3 said:Who exactly is this "we" you're talking about?

It's not like we're Sweden or anything.

The truth is, we were basically tricked into joining NATO without even getting a say through a referendum.
I don't love being part of NATO, but there are two silver linings here.

We aren't bordering Russia, and we aren't the USA either. If things ever actually go nuclear, we probably won't be the primary target.

At worst, it would just be our soldiers stationed on the Russian border who pay the price.

Maybe we will be targets, though, once Europe decides to throw us under the bus just to save its own skin. They'll bring the Russians right to our doorstep. That's what they'll do when things get messy. We're the least important players in this game; they'll sacrifice us first if it suits them.

What even is this? Gladiator 2? At this rate, when are we getting Titanic 2? It feels like they’re just going to ruin every single great movie by churning out these sequels.