Timothy Nelson5 said:The Russian establishment was actually much more shaken after the Mole Cricket disaster of '19.
That was really when the collapse of the USSR started to take hold, I think.
Nancy Gomez26 said:For the most part, people felt a sense of relief when the USSR military pulled out of Afghanistan. (Sure, war veterans caused some friction down the road, but that was just a drop in the bucket compared to the systemic issues hitting the nation.) The withdrawal from Afghanistan wasn't the direct cause of the USSR's collapse; rather, it was the sudden, drastic shift in political doctrine that the public simply couldn't process in such a short window. Perestroika and Glasnost were sound concepts in theory, but the populace didn't know how to navigate them—or perhaps, once you let the genie out of the bottle, there is no going back to the status quo. On the flip side, those reforms ran headlong into a massive bureaucratic machine that controlled every facet of the state, and those new ideas struck at the very foundation of that bureaucracy. But that is a different conversation entirely.
My point is, every single setback—and look, let's call a loss a loss, they failed to "denazify" or "demilitarize" Ukraine—is just an excuse for the current elites to dodge accountability.
They've backed themselves into a corner. To them, any peace deal that doesn't put the Russian government in charge of Kyiv is seen as a total surrender.
And realistically? This conflict ends with Crimea being liberated, no matter how much people whine about it. Maybe the Ukrainian units won't be charging through the streets, but nothing's going to be left standing once the Ukrainians start HIMARS-ing everything in sight.