United States GP - Sep 26, 2010
in Formula 1 ·
Having them both side by side, just like that, really appeals to me.🙂
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Jason Campbell70 said:Or, as someone once said, quoting Jean Todt....
In a "sport" this expensive, you simply can't risk losing the championship—even over something as small as 7 points in this case.
And it seems Red Bull is the only one that hasn't realized it yet. This will come back to haunt them, just like what happened to McLaren in 2007.🙂
redheron12 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7IiR6Mgwyk
Go ahead, watch the clip and tell me—did Button actually miss his chance with Hamilton?
cosmicridge5 said:How many posts did you guys manage to pump out while I was busy making my way through the Metro? 🙂 😁
Anyway, I agree that banning team orders is a complete joke. That rule is basically just dead ink on paper at this point. Nobody actually enforces it, nobody can realistically enforce it, nobody actually wants to enforce it, and I doubt anyone here is under any illusions about how that works. 😁 So why the sudden shock today, then? 😁 What have you guys seen lately?
Does it bother anyone else that there was just so much going on? I guess I'm wondering if it felt a bit overwhelming to everyone else too. Obviously.Yeah, I agree. It looks ridiculous, honestly. It’s just embarrassing to watch the drivers being forced to act like idiots for no reason.
Everyone involved—including us—is well aware that team orders and strategic decisions aren't going anywhere. They exist in every single garage on the grid. It's common knowledge that in Formula 1, the team's overall interest takes precedence over any individual driver's ego. Personally, I think that’s actually quite reasonable given the circumstances, and it’s honestly how things have to work if you want to win.
It’s pretty obvious that within McLaren (and even outside of it), Lewis is treated as the clear number one driver. Even though he's technically officially labeled as number two— The current world champion.😲 Even though he definitely still has a shot at the title. 😉 Lewis might have that slight edge in raw pace, but if you ask me, Button makes up for it with other qualities. Honestly, though, if we’re being real about it, the biggest injustice here has to be at McLaren. I guess if anyone deserved to be number two more than anyone else on the grid, it probably wasn't Button.
When you look at the numbers, Massa was clearly outclassed by Alonso. There’s really no debate about who the more complete driver is when you weigh everything up. Honestly, given the massive gap in points between them, I guess Ferrari's move was pretty much the only logical step left. The reasons behind it are obvious and have been discussed to death already.
Someone mentioned that this isn't quite the same situation as when Kimi took his title, arguing that back then it came down to the final race and whether he could clinch it or not. I guess it’s not all that different here, though. Massa doesn't really have a realistic shot at the championship anymore, whereas Fernando still has a path if everything aligns perfectly—assuming he drives flawlessly and gets a decent bit of luck on top of it. From where I'm sitting, Ferrari was facing a real dilemma today: they could either play this hand and stay in the hunt for the title, or just throw in the towel entirely. And apparently, this is all because of some supposed "moral code" regarding avoiding team orders? We all know those exist; honestly, teams don't even try that hard to hide them, let alone anyone else.
In my opinion, the only way Ferrari actually messed this up was by ignoring what everyone else is doing—something we all know for a fact is working. Everyone’s getting to work. He didn't exactly make it "less obvious." I guess it’s a massive blunder once you actually take a closer look. wow. 😁It’s pretty obvious Ferrari knows the Formula 1 fanbase isn't stupid, so there's really no point trying to insult our intelligence by hiding or using some nonsensical camouflage for things everyone already knows are happening. 😁 It's standard practice for basically every team on the grid.
I agree this was laughably transparent, but it just proves how unenforceable this ban is—given how much people use coded language anyway—and how ridiculous it is. They should just scrap it.
Now, if we want to talk about the moral side of things, which seems to be what everyone here loves to lecture one another about, then from a purely ethical standpoint, it makes zero difference whether something "immoral" is done overtly or subtly. 😁
It doesn't make an act any less immoral if, for instance, Kimi wins a title because of the exact same reasons, it just happens that Kimi is everyone's favorite, so we all happily cheer him on. Meanwhile, if Alonso does it, it's suddenly seen as more immoral simply because he's the easiest target for people to hate. 😁
Mark Ruiz8 said:Bravo Ferrari 🙏
They could have handled the release a bit more subtly—not that it matters much. If I were running the team, I’d probably do the exact same thing—tell Mass to let his teammate through if he actually has a shot at the title.
As for the rest of you complaining, I'm curious—how would you handle things if you were actually in charge?
Joseph Young57 said:Honestly, I haven't even been following this stuff seriously since Kimi left Formula 1.😉
Joseph Young57 said:This Ferrari squad—and especially Alonso—is such an absolute dumpster fire that it actually makes me sick.
God, I hope his engine just blows up and dies completely.
Alonso is such a massive crybaby. It kills me even thinking about how I used to root for him over Hamilton, when Hamilton is clearly the master behind the wheel compared to this little brat.
mistybear87 said:1998 ☕
Rebecca Fox4 said:Tomorrow, I have slim hopes for the kind of start I've been dreaming of since I first started watching F1—assuming we aren't dealing with a total washout from the rain... specifically, seeing chaos at the very first corner, with two or three rows of cars absolutely wrecking each other out.☕
James Smith50 said:Why on earth would anyone pick Alonso or Hem? And why Jerković? He’s been playing favorites with Lewis Hamilton since the guy first showed up in Formula 1.....
ambertiger said:Agreed. I find his songwriting to be a bit too commercialized and frankly quite dull, and his vocals just don't land for me. However, one cannot deny his musicianship when he starts playing 😍 Man, what a groove. 😍 Out of everything he's done, I really do appreciate Slow Dancing in the Burning Room, though I simply can't stomach the singing part. 🤷
James Smith50 said:I can only imagine the look on the faces of the Ferrari executives when they sit down at the end of the year, run all the numbers, and realize exactly how much they’ve lost by sticking with this whole Spanish project...🙄