Michael Ramos3 said:Read Octov's detailed report after he left the hospital. You'll see even he started noticing results during those short 4-5 days of application.
What was he even using?😕
Man, how much controversy can one guy stir up?👎
His stats are solid though.👍
If this keeps up, we'll hit 100 pages before we know it.
Cheers from your localadvisor and soul searcher👍
Look, just be precise. What exactly isn't clear and why all the drama? I'll explain it. Stop being so cynical. Just accept what you don't understand and change. \ Regards
Heading out tonight for my annual vacation down by the Atlantic coast. With any luck, I’ll be back at my desk by the 30th. Hoping there are enough internet cafes along the coast so I can stay connected and keep checking in with you guys.
silentheron25 said:Regarding my own status, I'll give you the update. I haven't been applying it much the last few days because I'm back from vacation and honestly, sometimes I just don't have the energy. I get tired and just go to bed. Michael Ramos3 said we shouldn't expect the bigger patches to vanish within a month, but I've been applying it, even the small ones, and they haven't moved at all. Not even a bit. Only maybe two or three tiny spots cleared up; the ones on my stomach faded slightly, but you can still see them clearly. After a month of constant application with almost zero effect, I'm getting frustrated because I expected at least the smaller ones to budge. All these arguments are exhausting. These mile-long posts are a headache to read. But hey, Michael Ramos3 is right—if you don't want to Cure yourself, nothing will help, though it hasn't helped me much either even when I try. The biggest patch on my leg hasn't moved; the center just faded, but it's still there. So, once again, it looks like for some people everything clears, for others nothing, and for some, just a little or partial...
Unfortunately, I think I misunderstood things personally. I thought we were talking about things that actually matter to our lives here, stuff that goes beyond the typical daily inconveniences and minor problems we deal with. My bad that "silentheron25" gets too tired in the evening to keep applying the cream. Maybe he needed another 5-6 days to clear up, or maybe he needed another 25-26 days. Unfortunately, we'll never know because he stopped using it. Everything I wrote regarding how this ointment works and its effects stays the same as what I posted on previous pages. Read through my posts and you'll see what I wrote about both the fastest cases of the ointment working (though apparently dragon 1000 set a new record) and the slowest ones. I stand by everything I've written (just like those posts are still sitting there). I think you got the wrong idea based on "Dragon's" results since you both started using it at almost the exact same time. Check Gregory Mendoza3's detailed report after his hospital discharge; you'll see he started noticing results after just 4 or 5 days of application. That definitely doesn't mean you, or anyone else, should expect identical results. For the last 3 or 4 years, my father has insisted on applying the ointment himself, specifically so he can monitor the extent of the psoriasis and estimate how long it'll take. For example, Gregory Mendoza3 actually told him he wouldn't need to use it for very long.
So far, nobody has reported an official allergic reaction to my ointment. These are just assumptions, and adults shouldn't be judging others based on unverified speculation—that's what kids do.
The "expert advisor for us all" is accusing me of splitting this forum into two camps: those who use the ointment and those who don't.
It’s a natural divide, and the numbers back it up. From the day this forum started (first post was March 3, 2003) until I showed up, 43 months had passed, and in that time, 29 pages of the forum were written.
Since I registered, 4 months have gone by, and in that window, 25 pages of the forum have been posted. In short, in just 4 months, we've gained one solid user who has never once been anything less than 100% clear. (Keep in mind, you have to distinguish between people who follow strict regimens and stay mostly clear with just a few spots, waiting for a flare-up caused by stress or timing, versus someone else). Regarding all these facts (don't try to defend the indefensible), Chris Morgan67 is suggesting today that we stop discussing me and that it's supposedly because my ointment hasn't helped anyone—or worse, that it nearly killed someone. The reality is that Chris Morgan67 and his little circle haven't actually helped anyone substantively either, aside from handing out tea recipes, keeping journals, and offering advice that doesn't move the needle much beyond maintaining whatever results people already had—results that likely don't depend on their advice anyway (this should be officially investigated with official data if we want to talk about it).
It’s pretty obvious they are attacking me in coordinated waves of posts. I said before I wouldn't get dragged into more arguments, but this is going nowhere. If my posts bother you, don't read them and don't comment on them. If someone doesn't want to use the ointment they've already picked up, they can return it and get a full refund. If someone is hesitant (wanted to take it but changed their mind), fine. I'm here every day; I'm not going to force anyone to use something just to poison them. I won't release the formula, and I've already explained why. If you refuse to use it because of that, fine. Don't pressure me to publish the ingredients (which you couldn't verify anyway, other than what I've already stated: it's been tested to ensure there are no toxins, bacteria, or heavy metals, and is safe for use). Wouldn't you only want to see the formula if you were actually planning to use it? I'm keeping the formula private for purely commercial reasons. If that's how you see it, then maybe you're the only ones who actually understand me. I want to make a million dollars off this ointment, so obviously, I'm not giving you the recipe so you can go out and make a million too. If certain people think that way, I don't see why they're attacking me, because logically, that's just how it works. Ventilate the room if it smells; apply it bit by bit if that's what you think is right. Honestly, I don't even get the obsession with using plastic wrap to reduce evaporation and help skin penetration. I could repeat the instructions and tips, but they've all been written multiple times on previous pages. I said at the start: people in severe condition with sensitive skin should apply the ointment during the first few days and watch closely for any reactions. I've personally said that, aside from itching and increased pain (which Gregory Mendoza3 experienced) in rare cases, there are no contraindications. People have applied it to bloody cracks, and women use it on their genitals. Well, if they weren't poisoned and managed to endure it, I don't know what else I can say to everyone.
If you don't have the will to be cured, then there is no cure for you, regardless of ointments, modern medicine, prayers, or anything else. (A medical consultant could explain that professionally).
P.S. From a private conversation with Gregory Mendoza3, I learned he hasn't completely ruled out using the ointment later; he just wants to wait for the official results of those intensive tests first.
continued.... keeping this post from getting too long.
People are attacking me, saying I haven't updated you on Octom's status, claiming I'm "avoiding reality" and trying to protect ointment sales.
Do you honestly think I was hoping Octom would never—God forbid—get out of the hospital? Or that I wouldn't want him to write about what he’s going through once his conscience allows it? If you want to believe that about me, fine, say it. But then take responsibility for making such baseless, illogical claims, instead of hypocritically accusing me of "avoiding reality." There's another thing: if I had actually posted a formal report on him, people would be attacking me just like they are now, claiming he's my clone and we're working together to scam you all.
Regarding Octom's accident, it’s strange to me that nobody remembers you guys were suggesting he go to the hospital even before he started using the ointment. There were signs his condition was already critical on its own, and he likely would have ended up in the hospital regardless. Also, did anyone notice Octom wrote that they treated him with antibiotics, which almost entirely cleared up his skin issues? What does an antibiotic have to do with poisoning? And since there are no official results yet, why are you all jumping to conclusions and judging that he was poisoned by the ointment? Just wait for Octom to release the official results, then we can talk. I stand by my word: there isn't a single known allergen in this ointment, not in scientific literature and not in folk medicine either. Why are you creating a false narrative among forum members and influencing those who are undecided? If this ointment were packed with allergens that could accumulate in the brain through inhalation—especially in the tiny amounts Octom used—what would happen to Korkirin's kid, who is allergic to the wind blowing through their town or being near a large olive grove? What would happen to copperviper102, who applied it to his mucous membranes for 30 days? Look, "I" have been using it for a month without a single complaint, and Mark Fox44 has used it for 5-6 days with zero issues. What kind of lab would I need to manufacture substances this potent without poisoning myself? If I actually had that kind of money and a high-end lab, I’d have enough cash to register a drug, open a private dermatology clinic, and charge you $1,000 per treatment.
You accuse me of living off this, calling you all nothing more than "test subjects" and a cheap advertising platform. My father is a retiree on a decent pension; he worked as an electrician in the military. As for me, I work my professional job every day at my local shop. I don't even have time for the good stuff—like spending time with my family and kids—because I'm clocked in from 9 to 6 every single day. You aren't the first to use this. We've been doing this for seven years, and hundreds of people have been healed. The only thing I want to brag about is a few young kids who still call my father "Gramps" and come to see him several times a year. Because of my father and this ointment, those kids finally had a reason to smile after years of bitterness and suffering.
You claim I get angry at people who doubt the ointment. But what are you doing? You're getting angry at me just because I have the ointment and people are successfully using it.
Where do I even start? The sheer amount of hypocrisy and envy here is beyond me. FIRST: Regarding korkira222. At the exact moment when this forum's self-appointed moral compass—who somehow mistakenly thinks he's an expert advisor to all of us—decides to weigh in on my suggestion, here's the deal. I suggested korkira222 keep applying the ointment if the eczema cleared up. We had precise agreements made with my father and me, including clear terms and guarantees from our side. We didn't claim we tested the ointment on this specific condition, but we guaranteed there wouldn't be bad side effects. Mr. korkira222 accepted and started the therapy. Unfortunately, right at the beginning, he reported visible progress, and then the condition just receded on its own. That’s why I suggested he keep applying it, since the rash always pops up in the same spot. It seems you guys were just waiting for someone to fail so you could play wise guys. In my opinion, that isn't decent or human.
SECOND: Where was all this "trained moral conscience" when Gregory Mendoza3 was asking for info and wanting to try snake venom? Why didn't you lash out verbally back then—like you are now toward me—to explain to the man that he shouldn't be using unregistered snake venoms that lack certification? Even if it's natural, it can kill him, or as our moderator Kolomast noted regarding weapon preservation.
THIRD: I am not influencing anyone, directly or indirectly, to take the ointment. So why are you all influencing those who have already taken it and are using it? You're creating anxiety and attacking me now that we have the first person who cleared up completely (though we'll see how long it stays that way; I maintain it's permanent), Don't get envious just because they're seeing results. Leave them alone to finish their therapy without this psychological interference. It's funny how nobody says a single word about copperviper102. Not one question, no explanation, no praise, no hope that it stays gone permanently. Not a single word of support for silentheron25, who has started to waver and doubt, getting the wrong impression that he has to be fully cured in 32 days, even though he reports massive progress where certain areas are totally clear and others just have faint marks left. None of you will utter a word of support for his effort. You won't support what HE personally decided to try, yet you also don't judge him directly for using potent allergens and unregistered substances.
To me, this is just being out of touch and hypocritical. If any of you actually believe in the Lord, whom I mention so often, then I trust that the same Lord will act justly toward me and everyone else.
Chris Morris6 said:I think everything is enabled on my end... try sending it again.
Hey.
Was away for the weekend so I wasn't online. Didn't see your messages, even though I got them. Look, you've actually blocked incoming PMs, so there's no way for me to reply to you. Fix your settings so we can talk.
Ryan Brooks2 said:Since there isn't really a meetup spot or an organized psoriasis association here in Chicago, I was wondering if those of us in the Chicago area could try to start something ourselves. Let's get organized! I know some other cities have active associations already, so why shouldn't we in Chicago and the surrounding suburbs do the same? It would make life a lot easier dealing with this nasty condition.👍
Unfortunately, I can tell you that in New York City, there's actually a club for people with psoriasis, and they have a huge membership. They seem really well-organized and social. They even hosted a two-day seminar recently with specialists from various fields, followed by a big dinner and a dance. The whole thing took place in a massive ballroom right in the heart of the city.
Hope that helps with your idea a bit. If you need it, I might be able to track down a contact number for someone on their board.
Gregory Mendoza3 said:The only reason I’m still standing here with you all is thanks to God Lord, and to everyone who prayed for me—including those prayers offered at Studenica, Town, Raška, and over the bridges of Stjenik near Saint John of Stjenik, along with all the other holy martyrs....🙏
silentheron25 said:Look, I've been using this ointment for over 30 days and I can't call it a success. I'm a believer in God, but clearly, this didn't live up to my expectations, unfortunately.
Well, don't expect the same speed as "dragon1000." Read through all my posts from the start; I clearly stated that the first visible results show up after about 20 days. No one gets an identical healing process. You can't expect someone with, say, a patch covering their entire back to have it vanish in a month. I don't know why you got the impression that there has to be a total success within 30 days—I never said that. Based on your reports, my takeaway is that you have certain spots that have cleared up completely, while other areas are still bothering you—spots that have faded significantly but aren't clear yet. We saw how "sunce cacino" dealt with itching after just a few days (which probably signals faster clearing), whereas dragon almost didn't feel any itching at all. There are over 700 known subtypes of psoriasis. Let's assume there are 700 different ways for the psoriasis to clear up using the same product, so don't expect the same path as everyone else. Stick with it a bit longer and stay persistent. You're close to the end. Write up a detailed report so we know exactly where you stand.
copperviper102 said:Here’s my latest update. This is where things stand after 31 days on the ointment. I stopped applying it to my head completely and my chest 👍 so now I'm just doing the lower areas (specifically the groin, because let's be real, my pride is on the line 🙏). Nothing has regrown on my head since I stopped treating the first section—that patch above my forehead plus the ears—and I finished the other two patches yesterday. Honestly, I could have stopped sooner, but I was nervous about whether my skin actually looked okay. The thing is, the skin stays a pale red after using it and washing up, but then by nighttime after wearing body lotion all day, the redness settles down, so I couldn't tell if it was truly healed or just masked. I'm still not 100% sure, but I've been at this long enough that I'm hoping for the best. My eyelid was looking pretty dark and irritated when I was finishing up, but the color returned to normal quickly once I switched back to regular lotion. I don't know how much longer I'll stick to the lower areas, but they seem redder than everything else, so I'll push through a bit more. Not going to lie, the constant application and the morning scrubbing is getting old 😬 Don't get me wrong, if this works like it's supposed to, I won't regret it, but the application process—especially cleaning it off—is no fun. I definitely won't miss it when I'm done. Now I'm just crossing my fingers that this lasts. If it turns out like Michael Ramos3's dad (7 years), we're in trouble. I don't know what else to say, so if you guys have questions, hit me up.....🙂 Best to everyone. I hope you all get even better results than I did and that this monster doesn't come back for any of us....👍
All I can add is that I thank God for helping yet another man. Every good thing comes from God, so the ointment itself doesn't matter. We just witness His mercy to others every day, proving that miracles happen through His name.
Once the psoriasis patches disappear, a fresh reddish layer of skin appears. Since the ointment is black, this new skin often looks darker too. But once you stop the ointment and go back to regular lotion, sun exposure, and normal routine, that new skin quickly blends in with the rest of your body until it looks totally normal and unnoticeable.
I asked the other members to share how long their clear skin lasted (regardless of the treatment used) and if it ever became completely clear like yours is now. That way, based on your future updates (which I hope you'll keep providing), we can compare the effectiveness of this ointment against other therapies.
I also hope you've shown the rest of the community that this stuff actually does something and that you survived the process. Now we just wait for your long-term confirmation that the psoriasis hasn't returned. If all goes well, thank God, we'll see that soon.
Wishing you and your loved ones nothing but the best.
silentheron25 said:Here’s my quick update. The spots on my chest are fading pretty fast, though they aren't doing as well on my back. My hands have cleared up as much as they can, but I can still see some redness. I’ve been using the ointment for 23 days now. Honestly, I expected to see more improvement by this point, but until I finish the whole tube, I still believe it’ll probably clear up completely.
🙏God.
It's good news. It looks like yours is moving along, just at a slow pace, but movement is what matters most. Just make sure you stay consistent with the application. Don't quit now that you're near the end; that's the most critical part. Regardless of how fast things start (like with "copperviper102" versus you), the result ends up being the same. For the viper, it was lightning fast at first and then slowed down, whereas yours is just a steady, slow crawl from the jump.
rapidpanther41 said:Look, I honestly don't get any of you people using stuff from Michael Ramos3!!!! What's the rush? Try waiting long enough to see the actual results before jumping to conclusions. It’s fine to look at all your options, but don't go running before you can walk. The same thing worked for me temporarily, and looking at what others are posting on this forum, it seems certain famous treatments and "ointments" have done the same. But like the song goes—you get what you pay for.
How long did that temporary relief last for most of you, and did it ever actually clear up 100%? Everyone else on the forum needs to share these stats. We need them to compare against the effectiveness of the ointment so we can figure out when users should finally say "enough is enough." For example, Sophia Campbell73 says hers almost completely cleared up except for her face (while she was pregnant). Share your experiences. Has anyone used a specific product (besides steroids and other toxins) that actually cleared it up entirely? Once we have those timelines, we can decide together when it's time to call it quits. We'll ask members to check back in a year, if they need to, to report whether it came back or not. A year is nothing compared to thirty-five years. I'm not planning on running away, and unfortunately, that year is going to fly by for all of us anyway.
Sophia Campbell73 said:copperviper102, I'm really happy about the results you've achieved. Just wondering, did you ever have psoriasis flare up in other spots that are quiet now? And how many years have you been dealing with this?
Psoriasis is a chronic, recurring condition. You treat a specific spot with a certain product and it clears up, but after some time, it can come back in that exact same spot—or show up somewhere else entirely, often worse than before. You never know what it'll do. That's just my experience.
My dad went through the exact same thing. The longest he ever went without symptoms—though it was never practically 100% clear—was maybe a month and a half to two months. Then, just like you said, it came back even worse. What about you? What’s the longest stretch you've had, and was it ever truly clear, without a single patch?
Sophia Campbell73 said:copperviper102, I'm really happy about the results you've achieved. Just wondering, did psoriasis ever show up in other areas that have since cleared up, and how many years have you been dealing with this?
Michael Ramos3, question for you: can the ointment be used in stages? Like, treating one area first and then moving on to others later?
Best,
Yeah, you can definitely use it in stages, but you're just wasting time. You should apply it to all affected areas at once.
To be clear, the answer is YES.
We only suggest applying it in stages if there's a bad reaction (intense itching right away, redness, burning), but I'll note that you can just put it on one spot, say on your leg. Doing that will only affect that specific spot and nothing else. I remember a friend back in 2001 who intentionally left one small patch, about the size of a coin, on his leg. That patch is still exactly the same today—no flare-ups or anything. The rest of his skin has stayed completely clear to this day. Nothing else affects the ointment therapy (other treatments, meds, sun exposure, other creams, tanning beds, diet, etc.), and the ointment won't mess with any other procedure you've already started.
urbangull said:I deal with the same thing. It’s uncomfortable having everyone on the beach staring at me. All those eyes just get under my skin. The changes have spread out more since last summer, so I'm looking for a spot where I can tan without being a spectacle. I still haven't fully accepted this illness as part of who I am. Honestly, I feel embarrassed even when I have to shake someone's hand.
Stop obsessing over how you look. There are much bigger things in life that people actually have reason to be ashamed of.
Every major news outlet in the country reported today that two famous models, Naomi Campbell and Kate is a lesbian, are involved in prostitution, drugs, and orgies.
Do you really think you need to feel more shame than they do?
silentheron25 said:Hit the water again today. Waves were a bit bigger, wiped me out fast, so I only stayed in for an hour. I’m already looking pretty tan, too—honestly, sick of this pale look, it's pathetic. I stay in the water forever, jumping in and out of the surf rather than just lying on a towel tanning. It's definitely better. I'll post progress pics soon.
jadesailor14 said:Oh honey, you can just clap your little hands and cuties scissors in pure joy because the answer is a big YES. It's such a resounding yes because everyone agrees this is way more brutal than psoriasis. I’m sure I’ve just made the rest of your life wonderful.😁 😁 😁 😁 😁
Not at all. Quite the opposite. Honestly, I only wrote that because I was praying for a "No." I am deeply, sincerely, and personally sorry. I'm right there in the same boat as you.