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Christian Harris11 said:Look, I’m still standing by my claim that this was 99% pure coincidence. It's obvious to me that Rosberg was trying to switch to the outside line just to reclaim the inside position a few turns later... and if you look at this GIF, you can see just how "slight" his miscalculation actually was. We're talking a few centimeters. Everyone forgets they only track where the tires are; they aren't seeing the nose or the wing. It was a standard racing incident, yet the media turned it into some massive scandal that they'll keep shouting about for days. That said, Rosberg does need to show some teeth to Lewis Hamilton. Up until now, he's always been the one backing off—just look back at Bahrain and how many times he let him go when they were neck and neck.
I'm inclined to agree. But then again, why wouldn't they manufacture hype if they can? Everything traces back to Rosberg; if he had just claimed his podium spot immediately, most of this drama would have been avoided. But he didn't. That's also telling... it means things have reached a boiling point.
I am absolutely certain the loser is leaving the team.
stormybadger8 said:Let’s pretend that argument holds water if Formula 1 wasn't a team sport, but it is...
You can't separate a driver from their crew when you're talking about the car itself or pit stop speeds—just look at the massive gap between a backmarker team and Mercedes. You can't detach the individual from the fallout when the team screws up.
It makes zero sense for a driver to take all the credit when everything goes perfectly, given that the crew did most of the heavy lifting. On the flip side, they shouldn't be completely off the hook when the team fails them.😉
But nonsense like what happened with Alonso is 🙂 because other drivers get punished way more severely for much smaller mistakes made by their teams...
Ultimately, what's the point of a driver losing points just because their team botched the car and caused a DNF? Or if a wheel nut isn't tightened properly in the pits? They barely lose anything for those kinds of blunders.
The issue is that Formula 1 isn't strictly a team sport; it's a complicated hybrid. If it were purely about the team, then team decisions would never be controversial—especially when they favor one driver over another—because the team comes first.
But that's not how it works.
stormybadger8 said:I probably would have argued they were protecting him because of that embarrassingly light penalty handed to Fernando Alonso...
In all honesty, Kevin Magnussen definitely earned his penalty. ☕
But realistically, Fernando Alonso shouldn't have been anywhere near Kevin Magnussen. He deserved a much heavier punishment; he should have been at least 20-30 seconds behind him. What happened actually warranted a pit lane visit, if not a 10-second stop-and-go penalty.
He should have. Though, it feels a bit foolish to penalize drivers for their team's mistakes. For those kinds of errors, the teams should lose points instead of forcing drivers to sit through race penalties.
Chris Robinson25 said:The FIA rulebook is a massive headache. It covers everything from how many times you're allowed to defend a position on a single straight to an endless list of other technicalities.
It’s honestly hilarious to me how everyone is out here trying to defend that punk...
Give him a break. He was going toe-to-toe with Fernando Alonso, and since everyone loves to hate on Alonso, people are just using him as an easy target.
hiddenfox64 said:What exactly is justified here? What are you even talking about, man? You okay? You clearly have no clue what's going on.
The rules are perfectly clear: you have to leave enough room for the other car. Kevin Magnussen pushed it right to the limit a few times, and once, he went way over.
stormybadger8 said:steelmaker83 is right—there’s zero debate, that car was easily the second best on this track.
It's a separate issue why Kimi messed up his Third Quarter run and why Alonso ended up pulling such a mediocre lap during the Third Quarter (meaning he went off track just to finish P4 anyway).
Only an idiot wouldn't see that Ferrari is the second fastest car at Indianapolis Motor Speedway; even Alonso made that clear, yet some people still refuse to get it.😍
The terrifying truth is that Mercedes-Benz is about 1.5 to 2 seconds faster than them, though they do have the advantage of being at the front of the pack... even if Williams and Red Bull Racing aren't far behind.
Everyone botched their flying laps. Sebastian had a poor first attempt that was well below the car's actual potential, his second one was a disaster and he gave up, while Alonso and Richard both went wide and ended up matching Sebastian's clean lap time regardless.
Given the track conditions, Red Bull Racing was right on the heels of Mercedes-Benz, but their drivers simply weren't performing at the necessary level.
Jeez, what the hell is she on about now?
!!!!!!!
graniteharbor502 said:You can whine and throw insults all you want, but Vettel achieved things your favorite driver never will. 😍
Exactly. Alonso was never the weaker driver compared to his teammate. Vettel is on the right track...
stormybadger8 said:Bernie Ecclestone and the FIA dethroned Michael Schumacher and Ferrari because F1 viewership plummeted. ☕
Just like they took down Sebastian Vettel and Red Bull, and just like they'll eventually take down Lewis Hamilton, Nico Rosberg, and Mercedes. ☕
Go ahead and delude yourself all you want. 😁
The ones who put them up there are the same ones who'll tear them down.
stormybadger8 said:What exactly is funny about it?
From where I’m sitting, all I see is a driver who can actually boost a car's top speed on the straights just by using their sheer driving talent...
I'd tell you what's funny, but I've been hit with a long-term ban. Still, I'm surprised you're even bothering to join this debate....
Michael Diaz4 said:What you're saying makes zero sense. You can tell who the master is just by looking at the mistakes...
And yet again,
hahahahahha
Yeah.
Maybe you should switch to dressage?
swifttiger75 said:I’m being dead serious here, darkmarlin16...
Yeah, the Maestro proved once again he's the superior driver compared to Sebastian Vettel; I'm just struggling with the fact that this guy has been faster over the last five years. 😲 And I suspect it's pretty obvious to Ferrari too, though, let's be honest, you can never truly count on them. 😲 ☕
It's obvious to Ferrari, absolutely, but there's nothing I can do about it. They tried, but he basically walked out on them to go do what actually interests him... if you catch my drift...
stormybadger8 said:Why just Monaco...
Let's be honest, there are plenty of other tracks where people can cook up excuses...
Was there DRS in Abu Dhabi back then?
Setting aside all this forum chatter, I actually find it amusing to see drivers fight so hard over an insignificant 5th place, especially when neither of them gains anything for their championship standings at this stage.
The reason is obvious: both wanted to win that specific duel just for the sake of prestige. For Sebastian Vettel, in particular, it was practically a requirement...
The whole thing was ruined by the broadcast—specifically the director who chose to put it on air. Why? To trivialize the entire situation? What was the goal here? To make it look like Vettel loves to complain? We already know he does... It would have been much better if they had just let the battle play out in silence, giving us a glimpse of those old-school days when we didn't have to listen to all this nonsense... (which certainly doesn't mean these same drivers haven't complained before).
And one more thing: when drivers whine about every little detail, they aren't the ones most to blame. The FIA, with its endless rules, constant insistence on specifics, and sheer stupidity, creates the very circumstances that force the drivers to complain in the first place.
stormybadger8 said:Nico Rosberg asked Ross Brawn to make him the No. 2 driver and have Ross tell the faster No. 2 driver to move out of the way for him 😵
Sometimes I really wonder what kind of lens you're viewing an F1 race through.🤣
It isn't about the lenses, my friend...
stormybadger8 said:And he certainly didn't whine about his team boss not treating him like the No. 2 driver he was.
That’s obviously a lie, but it's easy to forget... perhaps because Nico kept things low-key, and Ross was a capable enough boss to handle everything quickly and quietly?