Posts by analogheron19

Daniel Williams18 said:I was actually at the stadium. So, go ahead—give me one good reason why this happened. I’m dying to hear it.

That's enough out of you. You weren't even there, so stop acting like an expert.

Daniel Williams18 said:What happened to the brains of these fans?
Basically, most of them are just miserable cowards who can't function without their little cliques and their colors.☕

Can someone please explain to me why a street was trashed and, more importantly, why people's cars were destroyed? Who is actually responsible, and who is going to pay those people back for the damages? And what’s even worse—this happened right in their own city, at the hands of their own fans.

Before everyone starts coming for you: were you actually there on the scene to see how and why this all went down? Just answer that one thing, please.

And analogheron19 is a total moron too.😍

I’ll be the first to admit it—I was feeling pretty nauseous by the third paragraph myself. I actually know Dud, and honestly, it took me three tries just to make it to the finish line. I’m betting very few of you actually sat through this whole thing until the last word; otherwise, you wouldn't be leaving comments like these.

hiddenridge99 said:Give the insults a rest... I wasn't actually at the game in Poznań, but based on everything I've heard from friends and reading the forums about how we absolutely demolished them, this is just laughable.

What analogheron19 is saying is spot on. We held our ground and didn't back down.
But then again, what Joseph Harris5 posted is also true.😉

I haven't seen anyone talking about us totally crushing them or wiping the floor with them here.🤷
The reality is, we went into their backyard and walked away with a draw that was "rock solid."😁 In terms of momentum, that's basically the same thing as a narrow win for them.
It’s kind of like if a team like Everton managed to scrape a draw against a powerhouse in St. Louis.🙂

hiddenridge99 said:This is just ridiculous...

What makes it ridiculous?
Did we run away from a group that would have absolutely demolished us in an open field?
Did we stand our ground on their turf and fight with everything we had?
We weren't even evenly matched—we were outnumbered, half-drunk, and facing off against guys who are trained, ripped, and actually ready for this. Did we back down? No.
And did we show up at the same spot the next day to demand a rematch? Of course we did.
It wasn't just shoving, either. Once things got heated, the punches started flying, and it wasn't just in the center; people were getting hit left and right. It was a full-on brawl.
The worst part is seeing people comment on this who wouldn't last two seconds in a scrap like that. You probably don't even realize that after several "negotiations" with the locals when we finally had enough, they told us to meet them a few hundred yards away from the town square, away from the cops and the cameras... so we did. We waited for a bit, but they never showed. They were waiting for a good chunk of our crew to split off, tired from working the fields all day, hoping to catch us when we were spread thin.

Look, let’s be real—who among us actually talks about the national soccer team? To me, at least, it’s never just about the squad or the suits running things like Stimag. It isn't just some collection of players and officials beating out the Mexican team or their management like Mihajlović. In my eyes, the truth is much bigger than that. On that day, it felt like America itself beat Mexico. That’s the only way to look at it if you want to be honest with yourself.

Jose Kern11 said:Once again, you’re completely missing the point. When I talk about the media outlets and how they handle things like Šimatić, I’m looking at it through the lens of public perception. I think you actually agree with me on this, but you just don't get it. A true American fan—someone who actually follows the team through every game and lives for the sport—can't bring themselves to root for this national squad right now. Maybe they'll travel to Brazil just to show up and mock everything there, but that's the only reason they'd go. And now you’re telling me that all this fighting and chanting at the games hasn't done any good? We already have the example of the local powerhouse team where this behavior has yielded nothing for four years straight, so why keep repeating the same mistakes? Obviously, we need a different approach, and you know that too. But we have to decide: do we actually want to head to Brazil, or would we rather sit here feeling sick to our stomachs seeing guys like Šimatić wearing the crown and Mamić flying private on a jet?
I'm sick of talking about politics; we've trashed this entire thread. I'm saying what I'm saying, so just get what I mean and leave it alone.

You’re partially right regarding the bold claims. Every single one of us loves traveling for away games (especially to exotic places), but I also love my country, which this national team is supposed to represent, at least in some small way. I love those moments when everyone stands together—regardless of which group you belong to or which club you support—singing the same song without worrying that someone’s going to sneak up behind you and crack you over the head.
I don't know how many of you were in Istanbul, but for me, it was perfection. This morning, while waiting for my second son to be born, I was sitting at my computer reading about those moments, and I honestly got goosebumps thinking back to it.
I can't even describe the rush of excitement when we crossed the border during the handball tournament last year, forcing the opposition to listen to all those songs that could get us into serious trouble back home (and I've been to plenty of high-stakes matchups myself...). But it was also matched by an immeasurable disappointment when I saw that most people were sent back... anyway, my comments outside the arena spoke loud enough.☕

Jose Kern11 said:I get where you're coming from, but I don't get how you can't see the bigger picture. When someone picks up a newspaper or scrolls through news sites after a game like this, all they see is some hero-worshipping fan with a crown, some idiot throwing a flare, just more "standard" chaos in the regional league, and our stadium being compared to Old Trafford—it’s a theater production. So tell me, what have we actually gained from that?

And that is exactly the point. To your average commentator, journalist, or even the cops, one flare thrown by a thousand fans is seen as hooliganism—a stupid tumor that needs to be cut out. But if you have twenty die-hard fans showing up with two hundred flares? That’s pure power and presence that everyone is forced to respect.
Think back to when the General arrived at the plaza; those hundreds of flares meant euphoria, an incredible atmosphere, and a welcome nobody will ever forget. If there had been fewer people there, fewer fans, and just a handful of flares... it would have been labeled as "unwanted scenes," a violation of the law, or "inappropriate behavior." And you bet your life the police would have come charging in to haul us away. ☕

Jose Kern11 said:I get what you're trying to say, but I don't get how you can't see that when someone picks up the paper after this game or scrolls through news sites, all they see is some hero-worshipping nonsense about the guy with the crown, some idiot throwing a flare, just more excuses for keeping the regional league mediocre, and comparing our home stadium to Old Trafford—it's basically a theater production. So, tell me, what have we actually achieved with all that?

Look, we’re venting here because it sucks when people talk trash, and yeah, maybe we're getting a little worked up because the media keeps praising that guy. But honestly, I couldn't care less about him or those other suits at the top; nobody showed up to that game for them. I wasn't even bringing up that match to debate whether flares should be lit or not; I was just saying I wish there had been ten times the crowd instead of just a few dozen people, and instead of one lone flare, there would have been dozens of them.
You were the one who said the Raiders did the right thing by staying chill during that high-stakes game where everyone was on edge, and that's exactly my point: it was a smart move and the only way to handle it.
I've always been pro-flare and anti-restraint, but I'll be real with you: I was actually rooting for things to go south against Ludwig so that a club like that would get kicked out. To me, that would've been a necessary step toward finally pushing out the management, once every other way of fighting back had been exhausted.

Ethan Cook said:I don't think he really caught your drift. Look, making a compromise is just one way to support the club—and honestly, it’s a way to look out for yourself, too.

But is having an agency absolutely necessary?
There are times and places where you just need to toss them in the trash, sure. But there are also moments when you have to hold back. If we actually want to win this fight against the vermin running the show, sometimes you have to use your head. You can't just think about the immediate win; you have to play the long game and mix up your tactics if you want to actually win the war.

Via Sebenico said:Look, they know when to hold back. If flares were actually allowed in the stands, I’d be the first one calling them out for throwing them onto the pitch. But right now? It’s different. Honestly, I haven't even been close enough to a flare in a while, but seeing them lit up is great—they're just part of the culture.

It’s not the same thing for me, though. Throwing flares at an away game in Miami (God willing, if we ever head to NYC and things get heated with the cops) is a whole different beast than playing a cup match against some local semi-pro team or hitting up a preseason friendly in Colorado.

Jose Kern11 said:Are you out of your mind???

Why? Just because I'm talking about common sense and the only logical move for the NFL Ultras?
Or do you actually think flares should be set off everywhere, all the time, regardless of who we're playing or how big the game is? You honestly think holding back on the pyrotechnics is some kind of compromise or that we've gone soft?

Via Sebenico said:Now when things kick off at the national team game because someone lit a flare in the east stands and some activist starts making a scene about moral condemnation and all that...
I’m standing with rustyangler122. There is zero middle ground here, period.
If you give them an inch, they’ll take a mile.

The people acting shocked by flares are usually the ones who don't even follow the sport, and honestly, that's just a direct reflection of how the average person views fans.
This isn't about being "reasonable" or finding a compromise; it's about common sense. I've been talking for years about how this kind of mindless stupidity is going to land us right back in the dark ages. We didn't have to wait long, either—now we have people facing multi-year prison sentences just because of certain individuals who insist on running headfirst into a brick wall. Why are we surprised by the negative reputation? We basically built it ourselves (and look, I'm not condemning the actions of those who actually went to jail, but rather the absolute insanity of these draconian punishments).
And as for compromising? How many times have the NFL Ultras thrown flares onto the pitch during major international tournaments?

neonmoose542 said:analogheron19, man, who are you even trying to convince? People know what they want...

We had some incredible crowds both in the stands and out in the streets, and that’s what actually matters. The losers complaining online can just keep typing from their couches. I’m proud of how we stood our ground together, through the pre-game hype and everything after the whistle blew. 👍

I really hope things stay that way.🙂

Jose Kern11 said:I’m not talking about some official boycott here. I just mean stop following the nonsense. If you follow everything blindly, then suddenly when we play against Mexico, you decide to tune in—that’s where the hypocrisy lies. Any "boycott" would make way less noise than just four flares being set off with a message calling out those losers at the next match.

It’s not four, it’s a hundred and four pieces of gear, but in the stands, not on the pitch.
Setting off flares on the field isn't a fight against the scum over at the USSF, the cops, or the politicians. It’s actually the exact opposite: you’re handing them the ammunition they need to fight us and digging our own grave.

Harold Kim5 said:Look, I’m not saying anyone is stupid or whatever—everyone’s got their own deal. I just wrote a dull brain finds it hard to make progress, so if you took that personally, don't pin it on me. 🤷

They offered me tickets and a ride, sure, but I wasn't crazy enough to go out there and support Dan Marino, Jerry Jones, and Davor Šuker, not to mention Vrbanović... This mindset is just the American reality. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks or says about it. We aren't going to see any real positive movement in this soccer swamp for a long, long, loooooong time. Maybe with new generations, maybe ☕

So, nobody from the fans went to support Jerry Jones, Dan Marino, or Vrbanović? 🤷--- Are you seriously suggesting that the people who died in the war fighting for the country were actually sacrificing their lives for Franjo Tuđman, Mesic, or Djodan?
Is it really a disgrace that two or three hardcore fans went to help our national team? If you ask me, the real shame is everyone else who stayed home and surrendered in that fight against those scumbags. They would have crushed us easily if we had just 20 or 30 real ones showing up.
There's a massive difference between two guys at the stadium shouting "USSF losers—you ruined soccer!" and having ten times fewer people doing it. Are we even close to a win if only one percent of the crowd shows up instead of fifty?

Harold Kim5 said:Look, I’m not saying anyone is stupid or anything—everyone knows their own business. I just wrote that a dull brain finds it hard to make progress. If you felt personally attacked by that, don't pin it on me. 🤷

They offered me tickets and a ride, sure, but I wasn't crazy enough to go out there and support Dan Marino, Jerry Jones, and Davor Šuker, not to mention Vrbanović... This mindset is just the American reality. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or says about it. We aren't going to see any real positive movement in this football swamp for a looooong, long time. Maybe with new generations, maybe ☕

So, are you saying absolutely no fans went out to support Jerry Jones, Dan Marino, or Vrbanović?🤷--- Are you seriously implying that the people dying in the war for our country were actually sacrificing their lives for Franjo Tuđman, Mesic, or Djodan?
Is it really shameful that two or three hardcore fans went to help the national team? Honestly, I think the real shame lies with everyone else who stayed home and surrendered in that fight against those scumbags. They would have easily crushed us if we had just 20 or 30 die-hard supporters.
There is a massive difference between two guys shouting "USSF losers—you ruined football!" at the stadium versus ten times that many people doing it. Is a victory even within reach if only one percent of the crowd shows up instead of fifty?