Posts by hiddenpuma75

A few thoughts to kick off a discussion:

- Most people can tell you the name of every pop star, actor, or pro athlete out there,

but hardly anyone actually understands who the true architects of the internet are—the most magnificent ideas and realities humanity has ever brought to life!👍

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The internet is a completely OPEN SYSTEM!

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The pioneers who actually built and breathed life into this thing didn't see a single dime in "royalties."
Yet, every influencer looking for a bit of attention online demands "rights" or licensing fees for their music or content.

In reality, the internet was built on a spirit of enthusiastic cooperation—
the kind of genuine collaboration that many people today seem to lack, especially when it comes to how we organize our social lives...

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IN MEMORY OF VANNEVAR BUSH,
WHO FIRST CONCEPTUALIZED IT,👍

AND TO TIM BERNERS-LEE,

WHO ACTUALLY MADE IT A REALITY.🙂

And let's not forget Proudhon, Bakunin, and Kropotkin, who first envisioned the idea of an "internet society."

I was actually inspired by a discussion in another thread to start a little philosophical deep dive regarding the nature of the internet:

(To give you some context, here is how the debate between Mr. Pesica and hiddenpuma75 unfolded, which really sparked this whole idea)

hiddenpuma75:

Just so there isn’t any misunderstanding,😁 let me be clear about my stance!

I wasn't specifically backing Mr. Pesica (nor am I siding with his opponents),

but the role of a moderator...

seems unnecessary to me.
It feels pompous,
unfair (given that the true spirit of the internet is freedom!),
and frankly, quite authoritarian and patriarchal.

I’m not attacking the individual moderator here, but rather the function itself...

So many people never stop to realize they could live perfectly fine without

guardians,
moderators,
boundaries,
visas,
the military,
or even the government (most governments act like legalized mafia syndicates that meddle in people's wallets, bedrooms, and basic liberties through laws that restrict rather than empower).

Whether it’s the legal system,
sacred texts,
the church,
organizations,

or the STATE—with all its taxes and prisons—

and all those artificial authorities...

Most people possess a sort of slave-like, authoritarian mentality. They don't even question
the meaning or origin of the power structures that keep them shackled, much like a modern version of Plato's Allegory of the Cave.

(And I’ve just listed some of the most glaring examples of that kind of subjugation above.)

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Mr. Pesica: An anarchist! 🙂
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hiddenpuma75: quote:

Mr. Pes says:
An anarchist!
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If you actually understood what the pioneers of anarchism wrote and proposed,

think of folks like Bakunin, Kropotkin, or Proudhon,

you would never use the word "anarchist" as a slur or in such a negative light again.

In fact, the wonder and essence of the INTERNET is a perfect manifestation of the visionary side of anarchist thought.👍

Great foundational ideas and terms, such as

magic
or anarchism,

have become infamous simply because of mass ignorance
and the ability of state apparatuses to suppress the truth.

It reminds me of how Hitler once admitted

that masses find it much easier to swallow massive lies than small truths.

(The fact that he was a political mastermind only further exposes the twisted nature of politics and the world we inhabit.)

Please understand that the greatest miracle of our age—the Internet—
is, at its core, an anarchist idea.😲

And I truly believe that in some cosmic diner at the end of the universe,😎
Proudhon, Bakunin, and Kropotkin will be happily🙂 sipping beers and celebrating how their visionary ideas finally spread.🙂

(Once our planet—this cosmic spaceship we’re all riding through the void of the universe—is organized around the principles of the internet, or the original anarchist ideal... that is when we will achieve true social harmony.)

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Jack Harris3 said:He isn't trying to pull anything with me. 🙂😢
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Hmm... I can't quite tell if that was said out of pure disappointment or just sheer overconfidence.😛

Honestly, what has happened to this world?😛

Everyone is just out here speculating about everything.

Even Howard is busy speculating and ranking people, despite the fact that he doesn't even know who anyone is!

-You've got Solaris and Pesica huddled together, conspiratorially swapping info and guessing about what hiddenpuma75 might be up to.😎

-And you know that old saying, right?

Don't go speculating about a horse—especially not a stallion you’ve never even ridden.😁 🙂

Or, in my own slightly improved version:

First, say "CRUNCH,"
a then... 👍Hop🙂

Jack Harris3 said:Of course the book matters! Honestly, the better you read, the more impressive I’ll look by association. Imagine the headline:
"hiddenpuma75 was so captivated by Lukicev's work, he practically dropped his book..."
So, seriously—go find the best, most gripping one you can get your hands on.
🙂

By the way, what’s your take on that Lukicev book I stumbled upon back in May at a little used bookstore in Washington, D.C.? The one about the New World Order and whether women should be leading, following, or just standing alongside men.😁

(I'm genuinely curious if they'll track us down on this thread and what kind of lecture or vocabulary they'll use to scold us two sinners!)😎 😉 👍

(As he puts it, it isn't a tragedy—it's just a natural sin,🙂
unlike the unnatural kind.)
(Plus, it’s quite an achievement in itself that we actually read his stuff!)

Harvey said:It seems to me that out of all these tiers, the people at Level 2 are actually the easiest to read:

Here’s my take on which members fall into Level 2:

Lewis (

Baphomet is most likely at Level 3, and if we're looking for a candidate for Level 4, it would probably be semargl.

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By virtue of life circumstances, I know Baphomet quite well.
(We haven't actually met in person in maybe 3 or 4 years, we don't message each other anymore, and I have no idea what's new in his life or vice versa)
(As a side note, Sergije and Vesna mentioned to me that he left his diploma with them)
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So, we have this somewhat eccentric guy who just recently showed up on the forum (specifically, the one with the "Super" ego—Harvey)

who actually had the audacity, without even a shred of caution, wisdom, or actual insight, to

start classifying people.

For instance, he placed Baphomet on some arbitrary "Level 3" on his little amateur scale...

All I can say is that Baphomet is eons ahead of Harvey when it comes to spiritual maturity.
It’s like comparing an old Commodore 64 from the early 80s to a Pentium III processor.

I honestly wish I could be more like Baphomet:

concise and clear,
subtle (rather than constantly barking like Jack Harris3🙂),
efficient...
composed...
and possessing such deep knowledge of astrology and computing...

Zachary Green2 said:hiddenpuma75, it’s pretty clear you haven't actually sat down with Scott Peck’s work.

If you had, you’d realize he’s discussing levels of "spiritual or religious" growth, which is a different beast entirely from the evolution of consciousness that the three authors we're talking about focus on. So, that link you posted and your whole argument don't really land here—we're simply talking about two different things.

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Zachary Green2, it seems you’re very quick to jump to conclusions about people!

Honestly, you'd probably be better off staying quiet and letting people think you're a fool rather than jumping in to refute every single doubt that comes your way. 😁

I have a little library at home with about 2,000 books (though I suppose while some people are busy buying up corporations, others are buying cars, or even just working toward a seat in Congress—I spend my time on books. It's a bit tedious, expensive, and definitely not the "cool" thing to do, but it's what I do when I love reading and debating people who make snap judgments).

I actually own about ten Scott Peck books.
🙂 I’ve read them all, not to spite you, but because a higher power seemed to nudge me in that direction.

His biggest spiritual bestseller is *The Road Less Traveled*, which has three sequels. That first book was a total phenomenon—it stayed on the New York Times bestseller list for about 400 weeks (that’s 7.5 years!!) and sold roughly 5 million copies!

I actually finished the second volume back in 1996 while I was on a long bus ride from Los Angeles to San Francisco! I was with a female friend who insisted on doing something... let's just say "not typically done on a bus"... and we managed to pull it off right while I was immersed in the second part of *The Road Less Traveled*. It sounds wild, but it’s true. Cross my heart, I’m not making this up!

(For those out of the loop, there's a funny connection to Oreos, but you should probably ask Jack Harris3 about that instead of me, since she’s the one in charge here and I'm not sure if mentioning Oreo advertising is allowed on this forum.) 🙂

I wonder what you were up to back in '96 while I was reading that book?
(Thanks for the trip down memory lane regarding that LA to SF bus ride!) 😎

And it’s in that specific book where he lays out his classification system.
(Some of his other great works include *People of the Lie*, *In Search of Stones*,
*Different Drum*, *The World Waiting to be Born*, and *In Heaven as on Earth*.)

It is quite spicy, though, how he—as a psychiatrist, a husband, and a very devout Christian (he did this at age 42, but hey, nobody's perfect)—confesses in his writings that he had affairs with patients while he was married. But we can save that drama for another thread. 😛
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Anyway, the bottom line is that what matters in a person is their level of consciousness, and the link I provided doesn't connect to the topic of spiritual development stages.
You (or rather, that ego of yours that picked the nickname "Zachary Green2" and modestly placed itself at level four of spiritual growth 🙄
—simply can't admit when you're wrong, a point I'm sure several other people on this board have already made to you.)

M. Scott Peck’s classification

is quite basic—honestly, it feels almost primitive and overly broad when you consider the ultimate mystery: the question of where CONSCIOUSNESS itself originates.

Countless experts have come up with much more sophisticated frameworks
than this elementary school version offered by M. Scott Peck.

If you look at Gurdjieff’s work or even the Enneagram (that nine-fold division), they are lightyears ahead of this simple four-level split.

- With Peck, there isn't even any mention of higher states of consciousness.
(I'm talking about things like Kensho, Satori, or true awakening—those deeper levels of cosmic awareness.)

- Visionaries like

- Robert Anton Wilson
- Timothy Leary
- John C. Lilly

have mapped out and brilliantly described these subtle, higher tiers using much more complex eight-stage models.

- Plus, Buddhist psychology dives into the specific nuances of consciousness levels with incredible detail.

(I'm typing this on the fly, so I don't have time for a deep dive right here.)

But for those of you looking for something a bit more advanced, feel free to bypass this
crude breakdown Peck provides—and how humbly hiddenpuma75 has slotted himself into the fourth floor of some shaky building...

Once he reads Wilson’s Eight-Circuit Model, I'm sure he'll find himself sitting comfortably at level six, seven, or even eight. 🙂
It might be best to just skip this "Intro to Consciousness" class Peck is teaching us.

Here is a link to some sites that actually deal with this subject professionally:

The 8 Levels of Consciousness