Nathan Morris3 said:I think I already answered that. I was just saying that when you look at the crime rates in Romania, it really comes down to socioeconomic status—it’s the same for any American or someone from America, if you set aside white-collar crime. Then there's the whole issue of social norms, too. I guess someone coming from Thailand or Pakistan might have a different way of treating women than what we're used to in the West. You see those cultural differences between Germany and America, too. I totally agree, though, that anyone moving here should adopt the local standards regarding human rights and women's rights.
Unlike you, who doesn't twist anything... I guess.🍿 I guess calling it unloading people into a war zone is just a bit of an exaggeration, maybe. They're really only looking at deportation.
I guess some people might find joking about refugees or sending them back to war zones funny, but I don't really see the humor in that.
The media played it down at first, I guess, until they couldn't hide the actual numbers anymore. If they aren't letting women and kids onto those rafts, then how do you explain seeing so many of them being rescued constantly? Or even all those people drowning... it just doesn't add up, maybe.
I guess it's kind of weird to you that they're the first ones to go—the most vulnerable people, maybe? I don't find it that strange, though. It’s probably just whoever absolutely has to leave, so there must be women, kids, and men in the mix. But I suppose the trip is a bit less risky for the men. Nothing too unusual, I guess.
So, I guess this is just the first thing Google pulled up.
I saw this article about those tensions between Spain and Italy over fishing rights in the Mediterranean. It’s kind of wild how much back-and-forth there is, I guess. Maybe things will settle down soon?
Just a few kids in that inflatable raft, I guess.
Yeah, I guess I could've said that too. Like, men running away from the draft and risking those dangerous journeys just to find a safer way to bring their families along. Maybe.
I mean, I tend to generalize sometimes, I guess, but you’re doing the exact same thing by targeting people who support far-right parties. And honestly, that comment about how refugees would be more helpful to me than I could be to them? That was pretty low. Have you actually met every single immigrant out there, or are you just generalizing again, maybe?🍿
I mean, just look at the refugee numbers, then you might see what I'm getting at.
I'm not sure which statement you're referring to, maybe the one about generalizing like those who support right-wing parties.
It’s honestly not that hard to prove. Age tests are reliable and don't cost much, which is why they were used over in Denmark and Norway. You’re generalizing again, though. How can you be sure you saved them from ISIS? Maybe they're members themselves, maybe they're criminals, or maybe they're just lost in the woods—you probably just don't know. Taking in huge groups of undocumented people isn't just a resource issue, it's a security thing too.
In the European Union, given how much we pride ourselves on our high human rights standards, the asylum processing takes a really long time. And yeah, plenty of people take advantage of that. I'm just saying it's a mistake to try and link everything back to religion.
Maybe read the text you're replying to—I wrote "if we saved them from ISIS..." If we're talking about economic migrants, there are different rules for them anyway. I don't think that's even the topic here, since nobody seems to be disputing that, from what I can tell.
I don't get which part of that you're struggling with. I'm not looking for an excuse not to help them; I just won't help because I put myself first, and they aren't my priority.
There’s no law forcing you to help, so you have every right to be selfish. But even as a selfish person, you still have to respect the Constitution and the law. If that doesn't work for you, I guess you could move somewhere where it's easier to fit into the legal framework. It feels a bit hypocritical to break the Constitution and ignore the traditional values of your society while judging others for doing the same. How can anyone take you seriously?
Anyway, if you don't mind me asking, what country are you living in? I'm in Austria, and as soon as I arrived, I decided to embrace the Constitution and the laws here. I think you should do the same, even if you're writing from America.
And as for some Mexican blaming all Americans for certain historical conflicts, or some American blaming all Mexicans for what happened in El Paso (or any other example)... well, I guess that's just how it is. We have to learn to live with it, but that doesn't mean it's right. Besides, I don't think many Americans have been affected by these refugees in Lebanon.
Man, you didn't actually answer anything. You just threw Romanians and Austrians into the mix and smugly declared that if someone is poor, they're more likely to commit crimes... no shit, Sherlock. I didn't think everyone in Western Europe was somehow magically immune to crime. Plus, you keep trying to shove every single immigrant into one big bucket and treating them as identical just because it makes your argument easier.
I've said this a bunch of times already, but you can't do that. An immigrant from Vietnam is nothing like someone from Italy, Eastern Europe, or the Middle East. There are huge cultural, social, and—like you mentioned—socio-economic differences. Immigrants aren't some single, uniform group; you can't look at them that way. They're different from each other like cats and dogs.
Anyway, let me get back to my actual question, because maybe I wasn't clear enough. I'm exhausted as hell, so I'll try to make this super obvious.
So, I'm asking you: why is it that for every rape committed by, say, a Vietnamese person, there are way more from the Arab community? Why is it that for every theft by a Chinese person, there are way more people from the Middle East? Why does a guy from Sub-Saharan Africa seem way less prone to crime than some dude from the MENA region? Why aren't there piles of videos showing Chinese or Malaysian immigrants beating people up? Why don't Romanians, regardless of who they are, organize coordinated groups of 100 people to attack women?
Why do some immigrant groups adapt incredibly fast despite coming from totally different environments, while others barely even speak the language of the country they were born in by the second generation?
And why, when you go to big cities, do people warn you not to walk into certain neighborhoods that happen to be mostly populated by folks from the Middle East or parts of Sub-Saharan Africa?
Why are the most dangerous cities in Sweden and France the ones with the highest concentrations of people from the MENA region or the Horn of Africa?
It's honestly fascinating to me that you never hear those kinds of warnings when you're heading into a neighborhood where the majority are immigrants from the Far East, like Chinese people.
Don't just hit me with that "socio-economic reasons" line again, because people coming from the Far East or Sub-Saharan Africa aren't in any better shape than Arabs, nor do they come from organized, uncorrupt countries. It's just that they don't cause nearly as much trouble, so nobody has an issue with them. I mean, when was the last time you saw a protest against Chinese immigrants?
Nathan Morris3 said:I think I already answered that. I was just saying that when you look at the crime rates in Romania, it really comes down to socioeconomic status—it’s the same for any American or someone from America, if you set aside white-collar crime. Then there's the whole issue of social norms, too. I guess someone coming from Thailand or Pakistan might have a different way of treating women than what we're used to in the West. You see those cultural differences between Germany and America, too. I totally agree, though, that anyone moving here should adopt the local standards regarding human rights and women's rights.
Unlike you, who doesn't twist anything... I guess.🍿 I guess calling it unloading people into a war zone is just a bit of an exaggeration, maybe. They're really only looking at deportation.
I guess some people might find joking about refugees or sending them back to war zones funny, but I don't really see the humor in that.
The media played it down at first, I guess, until they couldn't hide the actual numbers anymore. If they aren't letting women and kids onto those rafts, then how do you explain seeing so many of them being rescued constantly? Or even all those people drowning... it just doesn't add up, maybe.
I guess it's kind of weird to you that they're the first ones to go—the most vulnerable people, maybe? I don't find it that strange, though. It’s probably just whoever absolutely has to leave, so there must be women, kids, and men in the mix. But I suppose the trip is a bit less risky for the men. Nothing too unusual, I guess.
So, I guess this is just the first thing Google pulled up.
I saw this article about those tensions between Spain and Italy over fishing rights in the Mediterranean. It’s kind of wild how much back-and-forth there is, I guess. Maybe things will settle down soon?
Just a few kids in that inflatable raft, I guess.
Yeah, I guess I could've said that too. Like, men running away from the draft and risking those dangerous journeys just to find a safer way to bring their families along. Maybe.
I mean, I tend to generalize sometimes, I guess, but you’re doing the exact same thing by targeting people who support far-right parties. And honestly, that comment about how refugees would be more helpful to me than I could be to them? That was pretty low. Have you actually met every single immigrant out there, or are you just generalizing again, maybe?🍿
I mean, just look at the refugee numbers, then you might see what I'm getting at.
I'm not sure which statement you're referring to, maybe the one about generalizing like those who support right-wing parties.
It’s honestly not that hard to prove. Age tests are reliable and don't cost much, which is why they were used over in Denmark and Norway. You’re generalizing again, though. How can you be sure you saved them from ISIS? Maybe they're members themselves, maybe they're criminals, or maybe they're just lost in the woods—you probably just don't know. Taking in huge groups of undocumented people isn't just a resource issue, it's a security thing too.
In the European Union, given how much we pride ourselves on our high human rights standards, the asylum processing takes a really long time. And yeah, plenty of people take advantage of that. I'm just saying it's a mistake to try and link everything back to religion.
Maybe read the text you're replying to—I wrote "if we saved them from ISIS..." If we're talking about economic migrants, there are different rules for them anyway. I don't think that's even the topic here, since nobody seems to be disputing that, from what I can tell.
I don't get which part of that you're struggling with. I'm not looking for an excuse not to help them; I just won't help because I put myself first, and they aren't my priority.
There’s no law forcing you to help, so you have every right to be selfish. But even as a selfish person, you still have to respect the Constitution and the law. If that doesn't work for you, I guess you could move somewhere where it's easier to fit into the legal framework. It feels a bit hypocritical to break the Constitution and ignore the traditional values of your society while judging others for doing the same. How can anyone take you seriously?
Anyway, if you don't mind me asking, what country are you living in? I'm in Austria, and as soon as I arrived, I decided to embrace the Constitution and the laws here. I think you should do the same, even if you're writing from America.
And as for some Mexican blaming all Americans for certain historical conflicts, or some American blaming all Mexicans for what happened in El Paso (or any other example)... well, I guess that's just how it is. We have to learn to live with it, but that doesn't mean it's right. Besides, I don't think many Americans have been affected by these refugees in Lebanon.
I mean, to me, they stop being "refugees" once they hit that first safe country. And honestly? If anyone seriously breaks the law—like assaults or rapes—I’d personally deport them back immediately, regardless of how bad the war is there. Like, if you're gonna go out and rape and steal, then don't complain when you get sent back to a war zone. Seriously.
Nathan Morris3 said:I think I already answered that. I was just saying that when you look at the crime rates in Romania, it really comes down to socioeconomic status—it’s the same for any American or someone from America, if you set aside white-collar crime. Then there's the whole issue of social norms, too. I guess someone coming from Thailand or Pakistan might have a different way of treating women than what we're used to in the West. You see those cultural differences between Germany and America, too. I totally agree, though, that anyone moving here should adopt the local standards regarding human rights and women's rights.
Unlike you, who doesn't twist anything... I guess.🍿 I guess calling it unloading people into a war zone is just a bit of an exaggeration, maybe. They're really only looking at deportation.
I guess some people might find joking about refugees or sending them back to war zones funny, but I don't really see the humor in that.
The media played it down at first, I guess, until they couldn't hide the actual numbers anymore. If they aren't letting women and kids onto those rafts, then how do you explain seeing so many of them being rescued constantly? Or even all those people drowning... it just doesn't add up, maybe.
I guess it's kind of weird to you that they're the first ones to go—the most vulnerable people, maybe? I don't find it that strange, though. It’s probably just whoever absolutely has to leave, so there must be women, kids, and men in the mix. But I suppose the trip is a bit less risky for the men. Nothing too unusual, I guess.
So, I guess this is just the first thing Google pulled up.
I saw this article about those tensions between Spain and Italy over fishing rights in the Mediterranean. It’s kind of wild how much back-and-forth there is, I guess. Maybe things will settle down soon?
Just a few kids in that inflatable raft, I guess.
Yeah, I guess I could've said that too. Like, men running away from the draft and risking those dangerous journeys just to find a safer way to bring their families along. Maybe.
I mean, I tend to generalize sometimes, I guess, but you’re doing the exact same thing by targeting people who support far-right parties. And honestly, that comment about how refugees would be more helpful to me than I could be to them? That was pretty low. Have you actually met every single immigrant out there, or are you just generalizing again, maybe?🍿
I mean, just look at the refugee numbers, then you might see what I'm getting at.
I'm not sure which statement you're referring to, maybe the one about generalizing like those who support right-wing parties.
It’s honestly not that hard to prove. Age tests are reliable and don't cost much, which is why they were used over in Denmark and Norway. You’re generalizing again, though. How can you be sure you saved them from ISIS? Maybe they're members themselves, maybe they're criminals, or maybe they're just lost in the woods—you probably just don't know. Taking in huge groups of undocumented people isn't just a resource issue, it's a security thing too.
In the European Union, given how much we pride ourselves on our high human rights standards, the asylum processing takes a really long time. And yeah, plenty of people take advantage of that. I'm just saying it's a mistake to try and link everything back to religion.
Maybe read the text you're replying to—I wrote "if we saved them from ISIS..." If we're talking about economic migrants, there are different rules for them anyway. I don't think that's even the topic here, since nobody seems to be disputing that, from what I can tell.
I don't get which part of that you're struggling with. I'm not looking for an excuse not to help them; I just won't help because I put myself first, and they aren't my priority.
There’s no law forcing you to help, so you have every right to be selfish. But even as a selfish person, you still have to respect the Constitution and the law. If that doesn't work for you, I guess you could move somewhere where it's easier to fit into the legal framework. It feels a bit hypocritical to break the Constitution and ignore the traditional values of your society while judging others for doing the same. How can anyone take you seriously?
Anyway, if you don't mind me asking, what country are you living in? I'm in Austria, and as soon as I arrived, I decided to embrace the Constitution and the laws here. I think you should do the same, even if you're writing from America.
And as for some Mexican blaming all Americans for certain historical conflicts, or some American blaming all Mexicans for what happened in El Paso (or any other example)... well, I guess that's just how it is. We have to learn to live with it, but that doesn't mean it's right. Besides, I don't think many Americans have been affected by these refugees in Lebanon.
Nah, that's not weird at all to me since it's basically survival of the fittest over there. But I definitely can't bring myself to feel bad for people who would throw a kid overboard just to keep the boat afloat.
Nathan Morris3 said:I think I already answered that. I was just saying that when you look at the crime rates in Romania, it really comes down to socioeconomic status—it’s the same for any American or someone from America, if you set aside white-collar crime. Then there's the whole issue of social norms, too. I guess someone coming from Thailand or Pakistan might have a different way of treating women than what we're used to in the West. You see those cultural differences between Germany and America, too. I totally agree, though, that anyone moving here should adopt the local standards regarding human rights and women's rights.
Unlike you, who doesn't twist anything... I guess.🍿 I guess calling it unloading people into a war zone is just a bit of an exaggeration, maybe. They're really only looking at deportation.
I guess some people might find joking about refugees or sending them back to war zones funny, but I don't really see the humor in that.
The media played it down at first, I guess, until they couldn't hide the actual numbers anymore. If they aren't letting women and kids onto those rafts, then how do you explain seeing so many of them being rescued constantly? Or even all those people drowning... it just doesn't add up, maybe.
I guess it's kind of weird to you that they're the first ones to go—the most vulnerable people, maybe? I don't find it that strange, though. It’s probably just whoever absolutely has to leave, so there must be women, kids, and men in the mix. But I suppose the trip is a bit less risky for the men. Nothing too unusual, I guess.
So, I guess this is just the first thing Google pulled up.
I saw this article about those tensions between Spain and Italy over fishing rights in the Mediterranean. It’s kind of wild how much back-and-forth there is, I guess. Maybe things will settle down soon?
Just a few kids in that inflatable raft, I guess.
Yeah, I guess I could've said that too. Like, men running away from the draft and risking those dangerous journeys just to find a safer way to bring their families along. Maybe.
I mean, I tend to generalize sometimes, I guess, but you’re doing the exact same thing by targeting people who support far-right parties. And honestly, that comment about how refugees would be more helpful to me than I could be to them? That was pretty low. Have you actually met every single immigrant out there, or are you just generalizing again, maybe?🍿
I mean, just look at the refugee numbers, then you might see what I'm getting at.
I'm not sure which statement you're referring to, maybe the one about generalizing like those who support right-wing parties.
It’s honestly not that hard to prove. Age tests are reliable and don't cost much, which is why they were used over in Denmark and Norway. You’re generalizing again, though. How can you be sure you saved them from ISIS? Maybe they're members themselves, maybe they're criminals, or maybe they're just lost in the woods—you probably just don't know. Taking in huge groups of undocumented people isn't just a resource issue, it's a security thing too.
In the European Union, given how much we pride ourselves on our high human rights standards, the asylum processing takes a really long time. And yeah, plenty of people take advantage of that. I'm just saying it's a mistake to try and link everything back to religion.
Maybe read the text you're replying to—I wrote "if we saved them from ISIS..." If we're talking about economic migrants, there are different rules for them anyway. I don't think that's even the topic here, since nobody seems to be disputing that, from what I can tell.
I don't get which part of that you're struggling with. I'm not looking for an excuse not to help them; I just won't help because I put myself first, and they aren't my priority.
There’s no law forcing you to help, so you have every right to be selfish. But even as a selfish person, you still have to respect the Constitution and the law. If that doesn't work for you, I guess you could move somewhere where it's easier to fit into the legal framework. It feels a bit hypocritical to break the Constitution and ignore the traditional values of your society while judging others for doing the same. How can anyone take you seriously?
Anyway, if you don't mind me asking, what country are you living in? I'm in Austria, and as soon as I arrived, I decided to embrace the Constitution and the laws here. I think you should do the same, even if you're writing from America.
And as for some Mexican blaming all Americans for certain historical conflicts, or some American blaming all Mexicans for what happened in El Paso (or any other example)... well, I guess that's just how it is. We have to learn to live with it, but that doesn't mean it's right. Besides, I don't think many Americans have been affected by these refugees in Lebanon.
Wait, hold up. You were the one who wrote earlier that it's crazy to let women and kids go on a dinghy across the Mediterranean, so I'm linking that article again. And now you're trying to twist my quote to say you could just say men flee to bring families later? God, did you even read the article? Half the boat was women and children, and it was only meant for six people. They didn't just survive because the Italian or Spanish Coast Guard picked them up; they survived because they actually had a real chance.☕
Nathan Morris3 said:I think I already answered that. I was just saying that when you look at the crime rates in Romania, it really comes down to socioeconomic status—it’s the same for any American or someone from America, if you set aside white-collar crime. Then there's the whole issue of social norms, too. I guess someone coming from Thailand or Pakistan might have a different way of treating women than what we're used to in the West. You see those cultural differences between Germany and America, too. I totally agree, though, that anyone moving here should adopt the local standards regarding human rights and women's rights.
Unlike you, who doesn't twist anything... I guess.🍿 I guess calling it unloading people into a war zone is just a bit of an exaggeration, maybe. They're really only looking at deportation.
I guess some people might find joking about refugees or sending them back to war zones funny, but I don't really see the humor in that.
The media played it down at first, I guess, until they couldn't hide the actual numbers anymore. If they aren't letting women and kids onto those rafts, then how do you explain seeing so many of them being rescued constantly? Or even all those people drowning... it just doesn't add up, maybe.
I guess it's kind of weird to you that they're the first ones to go—the most vulnerable people, maybe? I don't find it that strange, though. It’s probably just whoever absolutely has to leave, so there must be women, kids, and men in the mix. But I suppose the trip is a bit less risky for the men. Nothing too unusual, I guess.
So, I guess this is just the first thing Google pulled up.
I saw this article about those tensions between Spain and Italy over fishing rights in the Mediterranean. It’s kind of wild how much back-and-forth there is, I guess. Maybe things will settle down soon?
Just a few kids in that inflatable raft, I guess.
Yeah, I guess I could've said that too. Like, men running away from the draft and risking those dangerous journeys just to find a safer way to bring their families along. Maybe.
I mean, I tend to generalize sometimes, I guess, but you’re doing the exact same thing by targeting people who support far-right parties. And honestly, that comment about how refugees would be more helpful to me than I could be to them? That was pretty low. Have you actually met every single immigrant out there, or are you just generalizing again, maybe?🍿
I mean, just look at the refugee numbers, then you might see what I'm getting at.
I'm not sure which statement you're referring to, maybe the one about generalizing like those who support right-wing parties.
It’s honestly not that hard to prove. Age tests are reliable and don't cost much, which is why they were used over in Denmark and Norway. You’re generalizing again, though. How can you be sure you saved them from ISIS? Maybe they're members themselves, maybe they're criminals, or maybe they're just lost in the woods—you probably just don't know. Taking in huge groups of undocumented people isn't just a resource issue, it's a security thing too.
In the European Union, given how much we pride ourselves on our high human rights standards, the asylum processing takes a really long time. And yeah, plenty of people take advantage of that. I'm just saying it's a mistake to try and link everything back to religion.
Maybe read the text you're replying to—I wrote "if we saved them from ISIS..." If we're talking about economic migrants, there are different rules for them anyway. I don't think that's even the topic here, since nobody seems to be disputing that, from what I can tell.
I don't get which part of that you're struggling with. I'm not looking for an excuse not to help them; I just won't help because I put myself first, and they aren't my priority.
There’s no law forcing you to help, so you have every right to be selfish. But even as a selfish person, you still have to respect the Constitution and the law. If that doesn't work for you, I guess you could move somewhere where it's easier to fit into the legal framework. It feels a bit hypocritical to break the Constitution and ignore the traditional values of your society while judging others for doing the same. How can anyone take you seriously?
Anyway, if you don't mind me asking, what country are you living in? I'm in Austria, and as soon as I arrived, I decided to embrace the Constitution and the laws here. I think you should do the same, even if you're writing from America.
And as for some Mexican blaming all Americans for certain historical conflicts, or some American blaming all Mexicans for what happened in El Paso (or any other example)... well, I guess that's just how it is. We have to learn to live with it, but that doesn't mean it's right. Besides, I don't think many Americans have been affected by these refugees in Lebanon.
You didn't say anything direct, you just kind of implied through your writing that those parties lie to and cheat their voters, which basically suggests those people are too stupid to realize it and vote for them anyway.
Nathan Morris3 said:I think I already answered that. I was just saying that when you look at the crime rates in Romania, it really comes down to socioeconomic status—it’s the same for any American or someone from America, if you set aside white-collar crime. Then there's the whole issue of social norms, too. I guess someone coming from Thailand or Pakistan might have a different way of treating women than what we're used to in the West. You see those cultural differences between Germany and America, too. I totally agree, though, that anyone moving here should adopt the local standards regarding human rights and women's rights.
Unlike you, who doesn't twist anything... I guess.🍿 I guess calling it unloading people into a war zone is just a bit of an exaggeration, maybe. They're really only looking at deportation.
I guess some people might find joking about refugees or sending them back to war zones funny, but I don't really see the humor in that.
The media played it down at first, I guess, until they couldn't hide the actual numbers anymore. If they aren't letting women and kids onto those rafts, then how do you explain seeing so many of them being rescued constantly? Or even all those people drowning... it just doesn't add up, maybe.
I guess it's kind of weird to you that they're the first ones to go—the most vulnerable people, maybe? I don't find it that strange, though. It’s probably just whoever absolutely has to leave, so there must be women, kids, and men in the mix. But I suppose the trip is a bit less risky for the men. Nothing too unusual, I guess.
So, I guess this is just the first thing Google pulled up.
I saw this article about those tensions between Spain and Italy over fishing rights in the Mediterranean. It’s kind of wild how much back-and-forth there is, I guess. Maybe things will settle down soon?
Just a few kids in that inflatable raft, I guess.
Yeah, I guess I could've said that too. Like, men running away from the draft and risking those dangerous journeys just to find a safer way to bring their families along. Maybe.
I mean, I tend to generalize sometimes, I guess, but you’re doing the exact same thing by targeting people who support far-right parties. And honestly, that comment about how refugees would be more helpful to me than I could be to them? That was pretty low. Have you actually met every single immigrant out there, or are you just generalizing again, maybe?🍿
I mean, just look at the refugee numbers, then you might see what I'm getting at.
I'm not sure which statement you're referring to, maybe the one about generalizing like those who support right-wing parties.
It’s honestly not that hard to prove. Age tests are reliable and don't cost much, which is why they were used over in Denmark and Norway. You’re generalizing again, though. How can you be sure you saved them from ISIS? Maybe they're members themselves, maybe they're criminals, or maybe they're just lost in the woods—you probably just don't know. Taking in huge groups of undocumented people isn't just a resource issue, it's a security thing too.
In the European Union, given how much we pride ourselves on our high human rights standards, the asylum processing takes a really long time. And yeah, plenty of people take advantage of that. I'm just saying it's a mistake to try and link everything back to religion.
Maybe read the text you're replying to—I wrote "if we saved them from ISIS..." If we're talking about economic migrants, there are different rules for them anyway. I don't think that's even the topic here, since nobody seems to be disputing that, from what I can tell.
I don't get which part of that you're struggling with. I'm not looking for an excuse not to help them; I just won't help because I put myself first, and they aren't my priority.
There’s no law forcing you to help, so you have every right to be selfish. But even as a selfish person, you still have to respect the Constitution and the law. If that doesn't work for you, I guess you could move somewhere where it's easier to fit into the legal framework. It feels a bit hypocritical to break the Constitution and ignore the traditional values of your society while judging others for doing the same. How can anyone take you seriously?
Anyway, if you don't mind me asking, what country are you living in? I'm in Austria, and as soon as I arrived, I decided to embrace the Constitution and the laws here. I think you should do the same, even if you're writing from America.
And as for some Mexican blaming all Americans for certain historical conflicts, or some American blaming all Mexicans for what happened in El Paso (or any other example)... well, I guess that's just how it is. We have to learn to live with it, but that doesn't mean it's right. Besides, I don't think many Americans have been affected by these refugees in Lebanon.
The asylum process in the EU is just pathetic, honestly. It's full of loopholes that immigrants just jump through. You see cases where guys rape 15-year-old girls and then suddenly, once they're in jail, they "convert" to Christianity... even though if you actually ask them anything about it, they have zero clue. They just claim they're being threatened in whatever backwater place they came from. Basically, they use the Bill of Rights to screw over the actual citizens of the country. If I were in charge of deciding who gets deported, I’d tattoo a cross on their forehead and send them right back to deal with the terrorists themselves.
The whole asylum system in the entire EU really needs to be fixed, maybe modeled after Australia or even better, like the US citizenship test.
Anyway, what you wrote above doesn't mean squat to me. I didn't say I support extremists coming in; I just asked how we're supposed to know they *aren't* extremists or criminals. We can't even tell if they're economic migrants, refugees, killers, or whatever else, because most of them don't even have papers. They just get registered at centers in Greece without any real security checks, and then they're just let loose to wander wherever they want. I'm not trying to say most immigrants are criminals—not at all—but we simply can't know who is who. And when one bad apple shows up in a country, it drags down the reputation of everyone from that area. This isn't just about money or resources; like I said, it's a massive security issue. It's unheard of to let such a huge mass of people move freely through a country and cross borders like it's nothing. If they tried doing things the way they do in Europe to get into Israel, they'd be wiped out like chickens.
Nathan Morris3 said:I think I already answered that. I was just saying that when you look at the crime rates in Romania, it really comes down to socioeconomic status—it’s the same for any American or someone from America, if you set aside white-collar crime. Then there's the whole issue of social norms, too. I guess someone coming from Thailand or Pakistan might have a different way of treating women than what we're used to in the West. You see those cultural differences between Germany and America, too. I totally agree, though, that anyone moving here should adopt the local standards regarding human rights and women's rights.
Unlike you, who doesn't twist anything... I guess.🍿 I guess calling it unloading people into a war zone is just a bit of an exaggeration, maybe. They're really only looking at deportation.
I guess some people might find joking about refugees or sending them back to war zones funny, but I don't really see the humor in that.
The media played it down at first, I guess, until they couldn't hide the actual numbers anymore. If they aren't letting women and kids onto those rafts, then how do you explain seeing so many of them being rescued constantly? Or even all those people drowning... it just doesn't add up, maybe.
I guess it's kind of weird to you that they're the first ones to go—the most vulnerable people, maybe? I don't find it that strange, though. It’s probably just whoever absolutely has to leave, so there must be women, kids, and men in the mix. But I suppose the trip is a bit less risky for the men. Nothing too unusual, I guess.
So, I guess this is just the first thing Google pulled up.
I saw this article about those tensions between Spain and Italy over fishing rights in the Mediterranean. It’s kind of wild how much back-and-forth there is, I guess. Maybe things will settle down soon?
Just a few kids in that inflatable raft, I guess.
Yeah, I guess I could've said that too. Like, men running away from the draft and risking those dangerous journeys just to find a safer way to bring their families along. Maybe.
I mean, I tend to generalize sometimes, I guess, but you’re doing the exact same thing by targeting people who support far-right parties. And honestly, that comment about how refugees would be more helpful to me than I could be to them? That was pretty low. Have you actually met every single immigrant out there, or are you just generalizing again, maybe?🍿
I mean, just look at the refugee numbers, then you might see what I'm getting at.
I'm not sure which statement you're referring to, maybe the one about generalizing like those who support right-wing parties.
It’s honestly not that hard to prove. Age tests are reliable and don't cost much, which is why they were used over in Denmark and Norway. You’re generalizing again, though. How can you be sure you saved them from ISIS? Maybe they're members themselves, maybe they're criminals, or maybe they're just lost in the woods—you probably just don't know. Taking in huge groups of undocumented people isn't just a resource issue, it's a security thing too.
In the European Union, given how much we pride ourselves on our high human rights standards, the asylum processing takes a really long time. And yeah, plenty of people take advantage of that. I'm just saying it's a mistake to try and link everything back to religion.
Maybe read the text you're replying to—I wrote "if we saved them from ISIS..." If we're talking about economic migrants, there are different rules for them anyway. I don't think that's even the topic here, since nobody seems to be disputing that, from what I can tell.
I don't get which part of that you're struggling with. I'm not looking for an excuse not to help them; I just won't help because I put myself first, and they aren't my priority.
There’s no law forcing you to help, so you have every right to be selfish. But even as a selfish person, you still have to respect the Constitution and the law. If that doesn't work for you, I guess you could move somewhere where it's easier to fit into the legal framework. It feels a bit hypocritical to break the Constitution and ignore the traditional values of your society while judging others for doing the same. How can anyone take you seriously?
Anyway, if you don't mind me asking, what country are you living in? I'm in Austria, and as soon as I arrived, I decided to embrace the Constitution and the laws here. I think you should do the same, even if you're writing from America.
And as for some Mexican blaming all Americans for certain historical conflicts, or some American blaming all Mexicans for what happened in El Paso (or any other example)... well, I guess that's just how it is. We have to learn to live with it, but that doesn't mean it's right. Besides, I don't think many Americans have been affected by these refugees in Lebanon.
🤣 Christian spirit? For crying out loud, what are you even talking about? If there was any Christian spirit left in America, thieves wouldn't be running wild all over the place. Besides, just as an example, laws and Constitutions are pretty easy to change when, say, extremists take power.
Oh, and then while they're busy, like, keeping crews in camps, they'll probably sing that song perfectly while "respecting" the Constitution and the law.
Nathan Morris3 said:I think I already answered that. I was just saying that when you look at the crime rates in Romania, it really comes down to socioeconomic status—it’s the same for any American or someone from America, if you set aside white-collar crime. Then there's the whole issue of social norms, too. I guess someone coming from Thailand or Pakistan might have a different way of treating women than what we're used to in the West. You see those cultural differences between Germany and America, too. I totally agree, though, that anyone moving here should adopt the local standards regarding human rights and women's rights.
Unlike you, who doesn't twist anything... I guess.🍿 I guess calling it unloading people into a war zone is just a bit of an exaggeration, maybe. They're really only looking at deportation.
I guess some people might find joking about refugees or sending them back to war zones funny, but I don't really see the humor in that.
The media played it down at first, I guess, until they couldn't hide the actual numbers anymore. If they aren't letting women and kids onto those rafts, then how do you explain seeing so many of them being rescued constantly? Or even all those people drowning... it just doesn't add up, maybe.
I guess it's kind of weird to you that they're the first ones to go—the most vulnerable people, maybe? I don't find it that strange, though. It’s probably just whoever absolutely has to leave, so there must be women, kids, and men in the mix. But I suppose the trip is a bit less risky for the men. Nothing too unusual, I guess.
So, I guess this is just the first thing Google pulled up.
I saw this article about those tensions between Spain and Italy over fishing rights in the Mediterranean. It’s kind of wild how much back-and-forth there is, I guess. Maybe things will settle down soon?
Just a few kids in that inflatable raft, I guess.
Yeah, I guess I could've said that too. Like, men running away from the draft and risking those dangerous journeys just to find a safer way to bring their families along. Maybe.
I mean, I tend to generalize sometimes, I guess, but you’re doing the exact same thing by targeting people who support far-right parties. And honestly, that comment about how refugees would be more helpful to me than I could be to them? That was pretty low. Have you actually met every single immigrant out there, or are you just generalizing again, maybe?🍿
I mean, just look at the refugee numbers, then you might see what I'm getting at.
I'm not sure which statement you're referring to, maybe the one about generalizing like those who support right-wing parties.
It’s honestly not that hard to prove. Age tests are reliable and don't cost much, which is why they were used over in Denmark and Norway. You’re generalizing again, though. How can you be sure you saved them from ISIS? Maybe they're members themselves, maybe they're criminals, or maybe they're just lost in the woods—you probably just don't know. Taking in huge groups of undocumented people isn't just a resource issue, it's a security thing too.
In the European Union, given how much we pride ourselves on our high human rights standards, the asylum processing takes a really long time. And yeah, plenty of people take advantage of that. I'm just saying it's a mistake to try and link everything back to religion.
Maybe read the text you're replying to—I wrote "if we saved them from ISIS..." If we're talking about economic migrants, there are different rules for them anyway. I don't think that's even the topic here, since nobody seems to be disputing that, from what I can tell.
I don't get which part of that you're struggling with. I'm not looking for an excuse not to help them; I just won't help because I put myself first, and they aren't my priority.
There’s no law forcing you to help, so you have every right to be selfish. But even as a selfish person, you still have to respect the Constitution and the law. If that doesn't work for you, I guess you could move somewhere where it's easier to fit into the legal framework. It feels a bit hypocritical to break the Constitution and ignore the traditional values of your society while judging others for doing the same. How can anyone take you seriously?
Anyway, if you don't mind me asking, what country are you living in? I'm in Austria, and as soon as I arrived, I decided to embrace the Constitution and the laws here. I think you should do the same, even if you're writing from America.
And as for some Mexican blaming all Americans for certain historical conflicts, or some American blaming all Mexicans for what happened in El Paso (or any other example)... well, I guess that's just how it is. We have to learn to live with it, but that doesn't mean it's right. Besides, I don't think many Americans have been affected by these refugees in Lebanon.
America, though I've traveled quite a bit and seen the world. I've lived abroad too, so I guess I have some perspective on how this whole half-broken multicultural mess actually works.
Nathan Morris3 said:I think I already answered that. I was just saying that when you look at the crime rates in Romania, it really comes down to socioeconomic status—it’s the same for any American or someone from America, if you set aside white-collar crime. Then there's the whole issue of social norms, too. I guess someone coming from Thailand or Pakistan might have a different way of treating women than what we're used to in the West. You see those cultural differences between Germany and America, too. I totally agree, though, that anyone moving here should adopt the local standards regarding human rights and women's rights.
Unlike you, who doesn't twist anything... I guess.🍿 I guess calling it unloading people into a war zone is just a bit of an exaggeration, maybe. They're really only looking at deportation.
I guess some people might find joking about refugees or sending them back to war zones funny, but I don't really see the humor in that.
The media played it down at first, I guess, until they couldn't hide the actual numbers anymore. If they aren't letting women and kids onto those rafts, then how do you explain seeing so many of them being rescued constantly? Or even all those people drowning... it just doesn't add up, maybe.
I guess it's kind of weird to you that they're the first ones to go—the most vulnerable people, maybe? I don't find it that strange, though. It’s probably just whoever absolutely has to leave, so there must be women, kids, and men in the mix. But I suppose the trip is a bit less risky for the men. Nothing too unusual, I guess.
So, I guess this is just the first thing Google pulled up.
I saw this article about those tensions between Spain and Italy over fishing rights in the Mediterranean. It’s kind of wild how much back-and-forth there is, I guess. Maybe things will settle down soon?
Just a few kids in that inflatable raft, I guess.
Yeah, I guess I could've said that too. Like, men running away from the draft and risking those dangerous journeys just to find a safer way to bring their families along. Maybe.
I mean, I tend to generalize sometimes, I guess, but you’re doing the exact same thing by targeting people who support far-right parties. And honestly, that comment about how refugees would be more helpful to me than I could be to them? That was pretty low. Have you actually met every single immigrant out there, or are you just generalizing again, maybe?🍿
I mean, just look at the refugee numbers, then you might see what I'm getting at.
I'm not sure which statement you're referring to, maybe the one about generalizing like those who support right-wing parties.
It’s honestly not that hard to prove. Age tests are reliable and don't cost much, which is why they were used over in Denmark and Norway. You’re generalizing again, though. How can you be sure you saved them from ISIS? Maybe they're members themselves, maybe they're criminals, or maybe they're just lost in the woods—you probably just don't know. Taking in huge groups of undocumented people isn't just a resource issue, it's a security thing too.
In the European Union, given how much we pride ourselves on our high human rights standards, the asylum processing takes a really long time. And yeah, plenty of people take advantage of that. I'm just saying it's a mistake to try and link everything back to religion.
Maybe read the text you're replying to—I wrote "if we saved them from ISIS..." If we're talking about economic migrants, there are different rules for them anyway. I don't think that's even the topic here, since nobody seems to be disputing that, from what I can tell.
I don't get which part of that you're struggling with. I'm not looking for an excuse not to help them; I just won't help because I put myself first, and they aren't my priority.
There’s no law forcing you to help, so you have every right to be selfish. But even as a selfish person, you still have to respect the Constitution and the law. If that doesn't work for you, I guess you could move somewhere where it's easier to fit into the legal framework. It feels a bit hypocritical to break the Constitution and ignore the traditional values of your society while judging others for doing the same. How can anyone take you seriously?
Anyway, if you don't mind me asking, what country are you living in? I'm in Austria, and as soon as I arrived, I decided to embrace the Constitution and the laws here. I think you should do the same, even if you're writing from America.
And as for some Mexican blaming all Americans for certain historical conflicts, or some American blaming all Mexicans for what happened in El Paso (or any other example)... well, I guess that's just how it is. We have to learn to live with it, but that doesn't mean it's right. Besides, I don't think many Americans have been affected by these refugees in Lebanon.
Doesn't matter.