bluebison47 said:My point was that she deserved to get handled roughly, since that’s essentially what you expect from a priest like him.
I mean, people probably ought to stay far away from that guy... he seems dangerous, and who knows, maybe he'll start causing real trouble if anyone dares to step in his way.
E: I see the edit now, and yeah, you've got a point there. I haven't been following this whole debate closely, so I guess I'm a bit out of the loop on the current vibe. 😬
Nah.
She's just making a mountain out of a molehill where there wasn't even a hill to begin with.
brightpilot6 said:If you truly can't see what’s flawed about your logic, there isn't much I can do to help you.
You've convinced yourself that without some kind of "clash," there wouldn't be any buzz at all, and because you can't actually prove that premise, you're jumping to the false conclusion that the coverage exists simply because of the conflict—and therefore, that the conflict was manufactured just to drive interest. In doing so, aren't you essentially giving everyone a free pass to behave however they please?
Your reasoning implies that the more intense the confrontation, the more inevitable the media frenzy becomes.
But hypothetically speaking, if she had been completely ignored by the press, would there have been a "story" or a "clash" to begin with?
Nope.
There is a massive, undeniable difference between someone accidentally bumping your phone and someone straight-up beating the hell out of you, but hey, feel free to keep playing down the severity of it all if that makes you feel better.
Go ahead, throw in gang initiations or something, maybe cutting nails or whatever else you want to call it...
brightpilot6 said:You claimed she was looking for a "fight," and that she got exactly what she wanted. That's a bold take, unless you happen to know her personally.
I wonder if you would be typing the exact same thing if, say, the police had opened fire on her while she was filming them? That would certainly make for a more compelling headline, wouldn't it?
restlesssurfer97 said:The bottom line is that this woman basically manufactured a whole drama out of thin air because the church was empty—which, honestly, I’m still wrapping my head around myself—so there was zero actual substance to work with. She walked inside, ran straight into a total jerk, and then got exactly what she wanted: a confrontation she could spin into some big headline. If that guy hadn't stepped up and shut her down, she would've almost certainly marched right up to the altar, filming everything closer and closer until someone else intervened, and when nobody stopped her, she probably would've started badgering those poor old ladies sitting in the pews just to fish for some ridiculous quote so she could make the whole country laugh at how clueless these religious types are.
Was it really absolutely necessary for me to waste forty-seven seconds of my life on this?
Anyway, it’s honestly kind of wild how a topic this "insignificant" managed to spark an entire multi-page debate over on Reddit. We can go ahead and trash the media all we want, but at the end of the day, they’re really just serving us exactly what we’re looking for.
And here's another thing, I feel like the whole idea that the media dictates public opinion is pretty outdated now, because everything today is driven by clicks, and the algorithms give such a crystal clear picture of what people actually care about versus what they ignore. Nowadays, the media just feeds us whatever we’re already hunting for, more than anyone ever could before, and everything is basically custom-tailored just for us.
brightpilot6 said:Of course she was looking for a story; that’s literally what a journalist does. And honestly, she found one just by the sheer fact that the mice were being kept there in the first place.
Yet, according to your logic, she was also looking for aggression. It’s actually quite surprising to see such a stance—it feels dangerous when people make these kinds of sweeping judgments from a distance without really thinking it through. Isn't it essentially providing a moral excuse for anyone who happens to dislike a certain reporter to just label them as nitpicky or something similar?
I suppose we should apply that same logic to all the journalists who faced heat from folks like Bandic or Mamic, shouldn't we? At the end of the day, they simply got exactly what they went looking for.
You're trying to twist things, but I get the feeling you're doing it on purpose, so I'm not even going to bother arguing about it. 🤣
But I’m sitting here watching this video, and honestly, I think I’m feeling that exact same sense of shock as that woman when she walks in and sees everything just empty, though for her, it’s more like getting hit by a 6+1 jackpot on a lottery ticket from the right side 🤣
The bottom line is that this woman basically manufactured a whole drama out of thin air because the church was empty—which, honestly, I’m still wrapping my head around myself—so there was zero actual substance to work with. She walked inside, ran straight into a total jerk, and then got exactly what she wanted: a confrontation she could spin into some big headline. If that guy hadn't stepped up and shut her down, she would've almost certainly marched right up to the altar, filming everything closer and closer until someone else intervened, and when nobody stopped her, she probably would've started badgering those poor old ladies sitting in the pews just to fish for some ridiculous quote so she could make the whole country laugh at how clueless these religious types are.
Maybe it’s just because they were actually asking for it, you know? I mean, do you have any actual data on how many of those requests got shut down, because if we’re going to sit here and have a real conversation about privilege, we should probably look at the numbers first.
Elizabeth Mendoza said:Why are the shops still running? Because for a regular person, grabbing something to eat is way more important than staring at a crisis and praying to some imaginary figure born from one foolish woman's excuse to her husband, which somehow turned into an entire religion.
Maybe it’s also because you have to sanitize your hands at the entrance of most Walmarts and they only let small groups in, whereas every single Dar, Mary, and Lucy who thinks fighting a virus with garlic and moonshine is a valid strategy would swarm right into a church. You'd end up with a bunch of low-IQ idiots packed into a tight space, creating a total hotspot.
You're kind of assuming you have the right to decide what matters more to other people here.
Maybe it's because most shops make you sanitize your hands at the door and let people in small groups, whereas in a church you'd have every single Dar, Mary, and Lucy charging in there trying to fight the virus with nothing but garlic and moonshine, which would just turn a cramped church into a massive cluster of low-IQ idiots and a total outbreak zone.
Man, you are just loaded with biases, like even an empty church on Easter didn't manage to make you pause and question your own prejudices for a second.
One thing is for sure, those "journalists" all swarmed that one specific church just because they figured it was their best shot at catching some juicy scandal. In a country with thousands of churches and hundreds of thousands of Catholics, they managed to get nothing out of the second biggest holiday of the year besides two rejected cell phone photos.
Elizabeth Mendoza said:Look, I honestly don't mind being on camera at all. Every single day, hundreds of people end up on the news just by pure coincidence because someone is out there filming a segment or doing an interview and bystanders get caught in the frame.
The real issue here is that those religious extremists held their mass despite all the gathering bans. They clearly didn't want the whole country to witness their disgrace🤷. If it had been a normal Easter Sunday and reporters had shown up to grab quotes, that exact same guy would have happily stepped right up to the camera to talk all about Easter🤷
But honestly, I watched the footage myself and the church was totally empty, and I wasn't even reading praise on the news sites, it was actually the complete opposite, just constant reports about scandals and journalists being harassed🤷
Elizabeth Mendoza said:So what’s even the issue here? They were filming right on the street and they followed every single law to a T.
There are two clips floating around, but the main one is the one where this woman walks right into an empty church to film and then her arm gets caught in the heavy doors.🙂div>
The footage this reporter put together shows nothing but an empty church, and I mean totally deserted, even on Easter Sunday. Honestly, I was fully expecting to see massive crowds or maybe some juicy scandal breaking out mid-service. I’m actually kind of shocked if I’m being real with you, because it looks like those Catholics might be playing it way smarter than the media usually lets on, which is wild—like, did I seriously fall for the whole propaganda thing about them being all stuck in their ways? oemđi 🤦