Gregory Jackson said:So, what exactly counts as being fundamentally different? I mean, from where I'm sitting, most people are just preaching about things that aren't even essential, you know? Like, they get all hung up on customs, or specific rituals, or little cultural quirks that don't really change the core of anything. To me, Truth is just such a massive, sprawling concept—it’s got so many layers and facets to it, and honestly, it’s almost impossible for any single religion to wrap its arms around the whole thing. You have to remember that these traditions were shaped by people who were, well, pretty average in terms of their level of development. Like, if you look back at the era of Jesus, or even earlier when other major faiths were starting up, the average person couldn't even read, right? It's kind of hard to grasp how one group could capture everything when the tools they had were so limited. I guess it's like trying to expect one single person to be an expert in every single branch of agriculture—it's just too much, because farming itself is made up of so many different specialized fields. It's the same way with spirituality; it's just too big for one bucket. But, I suppose if you take a little bit from here and a little bit from there, and you use a bit of discernment to see how it all fits together, you can probably piece the puzzle together in a pretty reliable way. Maybe.
I mean, I guess there isn't really such a thing as the complete Truth, and honestly, it’s probably for a bunch of different reasons, you know? Like, one big reason might be that the founders of religions—people like Buddha or Jesus—they probably couldn't even if they wanted to tell the whole story, mostly because there just wasn't anyone around who could actually wrap their head around it all. Plus, you have to think about the specific era they were living in, right? For instance, maybe Buddha intentionally avoided talking about a personal God because people back then were just way too obsessed with idols and all those different personal "gods" floating around. It was just too much for them. So, I suppose that's why an Avatar might lean toward this more impersonal "story of Divinity," or maybe they just leave things undefined entirely, because trying to explain it any other way would have just totally confused everyone at the time. Tao Quote. 🙂
Matthew Mitchell29 I guess what they’re saying is...
So, I guess you could say that this whole idea about God "incarnating itself every 700 to 1400 years" is really just another one of those claims out there—you know, something you can try to prove, or maybe just choose to believe, or even totally ignore if it doesn't sit right with you. It’s all kind of up in the air, honestly. That claim could be true, or it could be completely false, in the exact same way that specific religions like Islam or Christianity might be true or not. I mean, when you're actually out there in the thick of it, trying to wrap your head around the Truth, there isn't really any logical reason to treat universalism like it's some special category compared to any other individual religion, I guess. It's all pretty much on the same playing field, really.
So, like, when you really dig into it, we’re talking about Meher Baba, who basically serves as this massive spiritual anchor going back anywhere from 700 to 1400 years, I guess. If you actually take the time to sit down and truly study his life and everything he stood for, it becomes pretty obvious that he was this incredibly profound spiritual authority, you know? But honestly, at the end of the day, it all kind of boils down to what a person chooses to believe, since everyone just gravitates toward whatever feels closest to their own heart or whatever resonates with them most. It's funny because you can't exactly prove whether religious claims are true through some scientific experiment or anything like that; it's more about having that deep, internal experience, which I suppose is always going to be subjective anyway. But for those people who already believe, or maybe they've even had those personal inner experiences themselves, they don't really spend time overthinking or questioning it—they just dive right in and live out their faith.
I mean, you really can't go wrong if you bring up the Sika religion, right? It’s got this super straightforward vibe that teaches followers a pretty simple way to live: just keep your thoughts good, your words kind, and your actions helpful. Honestly, it’s such a practical little guide for daily life, especially when you aren't busy obsessing over heavy stuff like what happens to your soul after you pass away or wondering what brand of sandals Jesus might have been rocking 🙂
Think of it this way—you have religions that believe in a transcendent God who exists apart from creation yet actively works within it. Then you have faiths that preach the absolute oneness of the Creator and the creation itself, like those rooted in pantheism or monism. On the other end of the spectrum, there are traditions that completely reject the concept of a Creator altogether, such as Buddhism.
Those are profoundly different perspectives. And they can't all be true at once because their core claims contradict one another.
Gregory Jackson said:So, what exactly counts as being fundamentally different? I mean, from where I'm sitting, most people are just preaching about things that aren't even essential, you know? Like, they get all hung up on customs, or specific rituals, or little cultural quirks that don't really change the core of anything. To me, Truth is just such a massive, sprawling concept—it’s got so many layers and facets to it, and honestly, it’s almost impossible for any single religion to wrap its arms around the whole thing. You have to remember that these traditions were shaped by people who were, well, pretty average in terms of their level of development. Like, if you look back at the era of Jesus, or even earlier when other major faiths were starting up, the average person couldn't even read, right? It's kind of hard to grasp how one group could capture everything when the tools they had were so limited. I guess it's like trying to expect one single person to be an expert in every single branch of agriculture—it's just too much, because farming itself is made up of so many different specialized fields. It's the same way with spirituality; it's just too big for one bucket. But, I suppose if you take a little bit from here and a little bit from there, and you use a bit of discernment to see how it all fits together, you can probably piece the puzzle together in a pretty reliable way. Maybe.
I mean, I guess there isn't really such a thing as the complete Truth, and honestly, it’s probably for a bunch of different reasons, you know? Like, one big reason might be that the founders of religions—people like Buddha or Jesus—they probably couldn't even if they wanted to tell the whole story, mostly because there just wasn't anyone around who could actually wrap their head around it all. Plus, you have to think about the specific era they were living in, right? For instance, maybe Buddha intentionally avoided talking about a personal God because people back then were just way too obsessed with idols and all those different personal "gods" floating around. It was just too much for them. So, I suppose that's why an Avatar might lean toward this more impersonal "story of Divinity," or maybe they just leave things undefined entirely, because trying to explain it any other way would have just totally confused everyone at the time. Tao Quote. 🙂
Matthew Mitchell29 I guess what they’re saying is...
So, I guess you could say that this whole idea about God "incarnating itself every 700 to 1400 years" is really just another one of those claims out there—you know, something you can try to prove, or maybe just choose to believe, or even totally ignore if it doesn't sit right with you. It’s all kind of up in the air, honestly. That claim could be true, or it could be completely false, in the exact same way that specific religions like Islam or Christianity might be true or not. I mean, when you're actually out there in the thick of it, trying to wrap your head around the Truth, there isn't really any logical reason to treat universalism like it's some special category compared to any other individual religion, I guess. It's all pretty much on the same playing field, really.
So, like, when you really dig into it, we’re talking about Meher Baba, who basically serves as this massive spiritual anchor going back anywhere from 700 to 1400 years, I guess. If you actually take the time to sit down and truly study his life and everything he stood for, it becomes pretty obvious that he was this incredibly profound spiritual authority, you know? But honestly, at the end of the day, it all kind of boils down to what a person chooses to believe, since everyone just gravitates toward whatever feels closest to their own heart or whatever resonates with them most. It's funny because you can't exactly prove whether religious claims are true through some scientific experiment or anything like that; it's more about having that deep, internal experience, which I suppose is always going to be subjective anyway. But for those people who already believe, or maybe they've even had those personal inner experiences themselves, they don't really spend time overthinking or questioning it—they just dive right in and live out their faith.
I mean, you really can't go wrong if you bring up the Sika religion, right? It’s got this super straightforward vibe that teaches followers a pretty simple way to live: just keep your thoughts good, your words kind, and your actions helpful. Honestly, it’s such a practical little guide for daily life, especially when you aren't busy obsessing over heavy stuff like what happens to your soul after you pass away or wondering what brand of sandals Jesus might have been rocking 🙂
That analogy doesn't quite hold up for the reasons I mentioned earlier, which is that we are dealing with claims that are fundamentally opposed to one another.
To put it in perspective, two farmers might differ on which type of fertilizer they prefer, but if one insists on watering his potatoes with water, another with milk, and a third with hydrochloric acid, all three certainly cannot be right. We have to determine which one actually has the correct method—the one using water—but we can't claim that everyone holds a little piece of the truth. The Truth (represented by agriculture in this analogy) clearly excludes the idea of using milk or acid.
Gregory Jackson said:So, what exactly counts as being fundamentally different? I mean, from where I'm sitting, most people are just preaching about things that aren't even essential, you know? Like, they get all hung up on customs, or specific rituals, or little cultural quirks that don't really change the core of anything. To me, Truth is just such a massive, sprawling concept—it’s got so many layers and facets to it, and honestly, it’s almost impossible for any single religion to wrap its arms around the whole thing. You have to remember that these traditions were shaped by people who were, well, pretty average in terms of their level of development. Like, if you look back at the era of Jesus, or even earlier when other major faiths were starting up, the average person couldn't even read, right? It's kind of hard to grasp how one group could capture everything when the tools they had were so limited. I guess it's like trying to expect one single person to be an expert in every single branch of agriculture—it's just too much, because farming itself is made up of so many different specialized fields. It's the same way with spirituality; it's just too big for one bucket. But, I suppose if you take a little bit from here and a little bit from there, and you use a bit of discernment to see how it all fits together, you can probably piece the puzzle together in a pretty reliable way. Maybe.
I mean, I guess there isn't really such a thing as the complete Truth, and honestly, it’s probably for a bunch of different reasons, you know? Like, one big reason might be that the founders of religions—people like Buddha or Jesus—they probably couldn't even if they wanted to tell the whole story, mostly because there just wasn't anyone around who could actually wrap their head around it all. Plus, you have to think about the specific era they were living in, right? For instance, maybe Buddha intentionally avoided talking about a personal God because people back then were just way too obsessed with idols and all those different personal "gods" floating around. It was just too much for them. So, I suppose that's why an Avatar might lean toward this more impersonal "story of Divinity," or maybe they just leave things undefined entirely, because trying to explain it any other way would have just totally confused everyone at the time. Tao Quote. 🙂
Matthew Mitchell29 I guess what they’re saying is...
So, I guess you could say that this whole idea about God "incarnating itself every 700 to 1400 years" is really just another one of those claims out there—you know, something you can try to prove, or maybe just choose to believe, or even totally ignore if it doesn't sit right with you. It’s all kind of up in the air, honestly. That claim could be true, or it could be completely false, in the exact same way that specific religions like Islam or Christianity might be true or not. I mean, when you're actually out there in the thick of it, trying to wrap your head around the Truth, there isn't really any logical reason to treat universalism like it's some special category compared to any other individual religion, I guess. It's all pretty much on the same playing field, really.
So, like, when you really dig into it, we’re talking about Meher Baba, who basically serves as this massive spiritual anchor going back anywhere from 700 to 1400 years, I guess. If you actually take the time to sit down and truly study his life and everything he stood for, it becomes pretty obvious that he was this incredibly profound spiritual authority, you know? But honestly, at the end of the day, it all kind of boils down to what a person chooses to believe, since everyone just gravitates toward whatever feels closest to their own heart or whatever resonates with them most. It's funny because you can't exactly prove whether religious claims are true through some scientific experiment or anything like that; it's more about having that deep, internal experience, which I suppose is always going to be subjective anyway. But for those people who already believe, or maybe they've even had those personal inner experiences themselves, they don't really spend time overthinking or questioning it—they just dive right in and live out their faith.
I mean, you really can't go wrong if you bring up the Sika religion, right? It’s got this super straightforward vibe that teaches followers a pretty simple way to live: just keep your thoughts good, your words kind, and your actions helpful. Honestly, it’s such a practical little guide for daily life, especially when you aren't busy obsessing over heavy stuff like what happens to your soul after you pass away or wondering what brand of sandals Jesus might have been rocking 🙂
As far as I know, Buddha didn't speak of any god, nor do Buddhists hold a concept of God as a creator.
At the end of the day, God either exists or He doesn't. He is either personal or impersonal. He is either immanent or transcendent.
The Truth is singular, and universalism doesn't really help us arrive at it in this instance.