I guess I'm just thinking about florine... maybe it's nothing, but it's been on my mind lately—just sort of drifting in there—anyway, yeah. kaže:
I don't really feel like getting into a whole debate with you—mostly because I feel like we’d just end up clashing, and honestly, I don't think you're even following what I'm getting at. Just my two cents, I guess. Yeah, that's pretty much how I see things too.
So... what are we actually basing this on here? Is this just another one of those assumptions you've picked up from having a bit too much on your plate lately? I mean, maybe—but I’d really love a straight answer, just a simple one, nothing fancy. Just give it to me straight.I guess I’m just sitting here thinking about Florine... honestly, it’s kind of hard to wrap my head around everything. It’s one of those things where you start looking into it and then suddenly you're three hours deep into a rabbit hole—not that I have anything better to do, I suppose. Just one of those random, lingering thoughts that won't really quit. kaže:
It’s pretty obvious you're letting some biases get the better of you—which, I guess, shows up in this one thing too: Let them eat cake, I guess—if they can't even afford a loaf of bread.You probably didn't know this, but back in the day, Parisian bakers were actually legally required—because of bread shortages and all that—to sell pastries at the same price as bread. I mean, you probably don't know that, which is why your take on this feels a little narrow-minded, I guess.
I mean, I’ve said this before—everyone just loves their little habits and biases. It’s kind of a thing, right? Biases happen because people don't know any better, and habits... well, they're just comfortable. So, you didn't really drop any bombshell truth there—you just kind of confirmed that you're pretty set in your ways.
I know those old sayings and how things work in those parts—it wasn't even "that" girl who told me, but I mean, if you're broke, how exactly are you getting the premium treats at the same price as everyone else? It’s pretty obvious you had someone running errands for you just waiting to hear what you wanted... and honestly, it looks like a chunk of Enterprise stuff was ending up right in your house, too.
How did you even get to that conclusion? I mean, maybe you could have just asked why someone who’s starving wouldn't trust a single word out of his mouth... I guess it's just common sense, isn't it?
Honestly, you might want to consider feeling a little bit of empathy for other people once in a while—maybe just to keep from being so incredibly full of yourself.hiddenhound3 said:Haven't you heard about those four missing girls from that same timeframe? One of them was actually found strangled and assaulted, her body just discarded in a nearby lake. Isn't it chilling how these things happen?
We tend to view our homes as sanctuaries—the one place where we should feel truly safe. When you see organized shelters being set up, it’s a clear sign of premeditated planning. It shows that someone hasn't just reacted to a crisis, but has actually "trained" for it. If you can't continue your daily life out on the streets, what does that say about the stability of our environment? Does it mean the systems we rely on have already begun to fail us?
As you mentioned yourself, you just don't truly grasp it until you've actually lived through it. It’s almost as if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth—and I don't mean that as a personal jab. Rather, I'm talking about a certain detachment from the reality of those around you. It’s that mindset of "let them eat cake" when people are struggling to put bread on the table. Do you see what I mean?
It seems like you’re hitting on the exact same issue we see with the "prevention is better than cure" philosophy. Your observations really tie back to the broader picture I’ve been painting in my other posts—specifically that one regarding the death penalty. It all points to the same fundamental dilemma, doesn't it?
Some people are paralyzed by fear, too terrified to even attempt what needs to be done. But those who have already made up their minds? They’ll keep at it with the same relentless consistency as a sunny day, no matter how many times they have to repeat the process. Whether it’s driven by conscious intent or some deep-seated, "unconscious" impulse, it all stems from that same fundamental lack of empathy ingrained during their upbringing—which brings me right back to where I previously praised you.
It’s essentially a fundamental law of nature: if you catch an illness early enough, you can get the necessary treatment before it has the chance to spread. Isn't that the whole point? If we don't intervene at the onset, how can we ever hope to contain the damage?
Look, speaking from my own perspective as someone who lived through those wartime struggles, I’m certain she wouldn't have had the luxury of hair, let alone the ability to style it. Dealing with typhus back then was a brutal reality, so that's my direct answer to your "what if" scenario. How could anyone maintain an appearance like that under such conditions?
Could you give this some thought? I’d really love to hear what you think about it.
Haven't you heard about those four missing girls from that same timeframe? One of them was actually found strangled and assaulted, her body just discarded in a nearby lake. Isn't it chilling how these things happen?
We tend to view our homes as sanctuaries—the one place where we should feel truly safe. When you see organized shelters being set up, it’s a clear sign of premeditated planning. It shows that someone hasn't just reacted to a crisis, but has actually "trained" for it. If you can't continue your daily life out on the streets, what does that say about the stability of our environment? Does it mean the systems we rely on have already begun to fail us?
As you mentioned yourself, you just don't truly grasp it until you've actually lived through it. It’s almost as if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth—and I don't mean that as a personal jab. Rather, I'm talking about a certain detachment from the reality of those around you. It’s that mindset of "let them eat cake" when people are struggling to put bread on the table. Do you see what I mean?
It seems like you’re hitting on the exact same issue we see with the "prevention is better than cure" philosophy. Your observations really tie back to the broader picture I’ve been painting in my other posts—specifically that one regarding the death penalty. It all points to the same fundamental dilemma, doesn't it?
Some people are paralyzed by fear, too terrified to even attempt what needs to be done. But those who have already made up their minds? They’ll keep at it with the same relentless consistency as a sunny day, no matter how many times they have to repeat the process. Whether it’s driven by conscious intent or some deep-seated, "unconscious" impulse, it all stems from that same fundamental lack of empathy ingrained during their upbringing—which brings me right back to where I previously praised you.
It’s essentially a fundamental law of nature: if you catch an illness early enough, you can get the necessary treatment before it has the chance to spread. Isn't that the whole point? If we don't intervene at the onset, how can we ever hope to contain the damage?
Look, speaking from my own perspective as someone who lived through those wartime struggles, I’m certain she wouldn't have had the luxury of hair, let alone the ability to style it. Dealing with typhus back then was a brutal reality, so that's my direct answer to your "what if" scenario. How could anyone maintain an appearance like that under such conditions?
Could you give this some thought? I’d really love to hear what you think about it.I find no desire to engage in an argument with you, as it would inevitably lead to a conflict given that you fundamentally fail to comprehend my perspective and my way of thinking.
It is abundantly clear that you are being driven by prejudices, which extends even to this point:
"let them eat cake if they have no bread". Are you even aware that during that era, bakers in Paris were actually legally required to sell pastries at the price of bread during shortages? You likely aren't, because if you were, your view of the matter wouldn't be quite so narrow-minded.
Fine, regarding those four girls who died under strange circumstances over a twenty-four-year period—to me, that signifies nothing; twenty-four years is a vast expanse of time.
What presents a much greater mystery to me is something else entirely: a mother who does not go down into her basement for twenty-four years, who hears no cries of children coming from below, and who fails to notice her own daughter has vanished for over two decades... and it concerns me deeply that this very daughter does not mention it during the trial.
Josef Fritzl received his sentence—life in a psychiatric facility. Do you actually understand what that entails? Personally, I consider it a far more harrowing fate than the death penalty.
I am of the opinion that this story has not been told in its entirety, and for that reason, I am not prepared to demand a man's life. Are you? Can you claim to know every single detail of what occurred?
Josef Fritzl is not a healthy individual; his psycho-spiritual state is severely disturbed, and who is to blame for that? Do you truly believe the human psyche simply twists itself spontaneously, as if influenced by some elemental storm? 🙄
While that does not excuse him, it certainly places the burden upon the soul of society at large, for it allows such atrocities to occur. Even if we were to hang Josef Fritzl, what is to stop another father (or MOTHER) from doing the exact same thing to their child, who will then do it to theirs, and so on, into perpetuity. In fact, in certain cultures, such things are commonplace.
Furthermore, incest—as horrific as it sounds to us—has been a normal occurrence, not just in the East, but among many royal bloodlines, Jews, and even in the marshes of Finland. Why? It comes down to the question of tradition, maintaining lineage, and the lack of a wide selection of sexual partners. Not to mention the story of Lot. Where are the roots of incest, and what is its purpose? What role do the mother and her blessing play in the whole narrative?
No, I am afraid that, as electrictiger70 said, I am not prepared to view this matter through a single dimension or to take it for granted.
I find no desire to engage in an argument with you, as it would inevitably lead to a conflict given that you fundamentally fail to comprehend my perspective and my way of thinking.
It is abundantly clear that you are being driven by prejudices, which extends even to this point:
"let them eat cake if they have no bread". Are you even aware that during that era, bakers in Paris were actually legally required to sell pastries at the price of bread during shortages? You likely aren't, because if you were, your view of the matter wouldn't be quite so narrow-minded.
Fine, regarding those four girls who died under strange circumstances over a twenty-four-year period—to me, that signifies nothing; twenty-four years is a vast expanse of time.
What presents a much greater mystery to me is something else entirely: a mother who does not go down into her basement for twenty-four years, who hears no cries of children coming from below, and who fails to notice her own daughter has vanished for over two decades... and it concerns me deeply that this very daughter does not mention it during the trial.
Josef Fritzl received his sentence—life in a psychiatric facility. Do you actually understand what that entails? Personally, I consider it a far more harrowing fate than the death penalty.
I am of the opinion that this story has not been told in its entirety, and for that reason, I am not prepared to demand a man's life. Are you? Can you claim to know every single detail of what occurred?
Josef Fritzl is not a healthy individual; his psycho-spiritual state is severely disturbed, and who is to blame for that? Do you truly believe the human psyche simply twists itself spontaneously, as if influenced by some elemental storm? 🙄
While that does not excuse him, it certainly places the burden upon the soul of society at large, for it allows such atrocities to occur. Even if we were to hang Josef Fritzl, what is to stop another father (or MOTHER) from doing the exact same thing to their child, who will then do it to theirs, and so on, into perpetuity. In fact, in certain cultures, such things are commonplace.
Furthermore, incest—as horrific as it sounds to us—has been a normal occurrence, not just in the East, but among many royal bloodlines, Jews, and even in the marshes of Finland. Why? It comes down to the question of tradition, maintaining lineage, and the lack of a wide selection of sexual partners. Not to mention the story of Lot. Where are the roots of incest, and what is its purpose? What role do the mother and her blessing play in the whole narrative?
No, I am afraid that, as electrictiger70 said, I am not prepared to view this matter through a single dimension or to take it for granted.
Man, what a mystery... I mean, even someone like Sanders—who you keep bringing up—probably doesn't have a clue what's actually going down behind the scenes at those government agencies. It’s all just a big question mark, I guess.I guess I'm just thinking about Florine... maybe it's nothing, but there's just something about it—I don't know how to explain it without sounding weird. It’s one of those things that stays in the back of your mind, sort of like a song you can't quite shake. Anyway, just a random thought, I suppose. says:
Fritzl got handed a life sentence in a psychiatric facility. Do you even realize what that implies? — Personally, I think that’s way worse than the death penalty.
Your opinion doesn't really carry much weight here—that's pretty much established. If you actually want him punished, just have someone write it down so they can lock him in his basement, nothing more, nothing less, and maybe throw in an extra bullet for good measure.
Pretty clean and elegant, right? I wonder... actually, no, I won't wonder, because your logic is basically non-existent, which isn't surprising. Based on your take (see above), it sounds like the buses aren't running anymore—no offense, but that's just how it is.hiddenhound3 said:Haven't you heard about those four missing girls from that same timeframe? One of them was actually found strangled and assaulted, her body just discarded in a nearby lake. Isn't it chilling how these things happen?
We tend to view our homes as sanctuaries—the one place where we should feel truly safe. When you see organized shelters being set up, it’s a clear sign of premeditated planning. It shows that someone hasn't just reacted to a crisis, but has actually "trained" for it. If you can't continue your daily life out on the streets, what does that say about the stability of our environment? Does it mean the systems we rely on have already begun to fail us?
As you mentioned yourself, you just don't truly grasp it until you've actually lived through it. It’s almost as if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth—and I don't mean that as a personal jab. Rather, I'm talking about a certain detachment from the reality of those around you. It’s that mindset of "let them eat cake" when people are struggling to put bread on the table. Do you see what I mean?
It seems like you’re hitting on the exact same issue we see with the "prevention is better than cure" philosophy. Your observations really tie back to the broader picture I’ve been painting in my other posts—specifically that one regarding the death penalty. It all points to the same fundamental dilemma, doesn't it?
Some people are paralyzed by fear, too terrified to even attempt what needs to be done. But those who have already made up their minds? They’ll keep at it with the same relentless consistency as a sunny day, no matter how many times they have to repeat the process. Whether it’s driven by conscious intent or some deep-seated, "unconscious" impulse, it all stems from that same fundamental lack of empathy ingrained during their upbringing—which brings me right back to where I previously praised you.
It’s essentially a fundamental law of nature: if you catch an illness early enough, you can get the necessary treatment before it has the chance to spread. Isn't that the whole point? If we don't intervene at the onset, how can we ever hope to contain the damage?
Look, speaking from my own perspective as someone who lived through those wartime struggles, I’m certain she wouldn't have had the luxury of hair, let alone the ability to style it. Dealing with typhus back then was a brutal reality, so that's my direct answer to your "what if" scenario. How could anyone maintain an appearance like that under such conditions?
Could you give this some thought? I’d really love to hear what you think about it.
Haven't you heard about those four missing girls from that same timeframe? One of them was actually found strangled and assaulted, her body just discarded in a nearby lake. Isn't it chilling how these things happen?
We tend to view our homes as sanctuaries—the one place where we should feel truly safe. When you see organized shelters being set up, it’s a clear sign of premeditated planning. It shows that someone hasn't just reacted to a crisis, but has actually "trained" for it. If you can't continue your daily life out on the streets, what does that say about the stability of our environment? Does it mean the systems we rely on have already begun to fail us?
As you mentioned yourself, you just don't truly grasp it until you've actually lived through it. It’s almost as if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth—and I don't mean that as a personal jab. Rather, I'm talking about a certain detachment from the reality of those around you. It’s that mindset of "let them eat cake" when people are struggling to put bread on the table. Do you see what I mean?
It seems like you’re hitting on the exact same issue we see with the "prevention is better than cure" philosophy. Your observations really tie back to the broader picture I’ve been painting in my other posts—specifically that one regarding the death penalty. It all points to the same fundamental dilemma, doesn't it?
Some people are paralyzed by fear, too terrified to even attempt what needs to be done. But those who have already made up their minds? They’ll keep at it with the same relentless consistency as a sunny day, no matter how many times they have to repeat the process. Whether it’s driven by conscious intent or some deep-seated, "unconscious" impulse, it all stems from that same fundamental lack of empathy ingrained during their upbringing—which brings me right back to where I previously praised you.
It’s essentially a fundamental law of nature: if you catch an illness early enough, you can get the necessary treatment before it has the chance to spread. Isn't that the whole point? If we don't intervene at the onset, how can we ever hope to contain the damage?
Look, speaking from my own perspective as someone who lived through those wartime struggles, I’m certain she wouldn't have had the luxury of hair, let alone the ability to style it. Dealing with typhus back then was a brutal reality, so that's my direct answer to your "what if" scenario. How could anyone maintain an appearance like that under such conditions?
Could you give this some thought? I’d really love to hear what you think about it.I find no desire to engage in an argument with you, as it would inevitably lead to a conflict given that you fundamentally fail to comprehend my perspective and my way of thinking.
It is abundantly clear that you are being driven by prejudices, which extends even to this point:
"let them eat cake if they have no bread". Are you even aware that during that era, bakers in Paris were actually legally required to sell pastries at the price of bread during shortages? You likely aren't, because if you were, your view of the matter wouldn't be quite so narrow-minded.
Fine, regarding those four girls who died under strange circumstances over a twenty-four-year period—to me, that signifies nothing; twenty-four years is a vast expanse of time.
What presents a much greater mystery to me is something else entirely: a mother who does not go down into her basement for twenty-four years, who hears no cries of children coming from below, and who fails to notice her own daughter has vanished for over two decades... and it concerns me deeply that this very daughter does not mention it during the trial.
Josef Fritzl received his sentence—life in a psychiatric facility. Do you actually understand what that entails? Personally, I consider it a far more harrowing fate than the death penalty.
I am of the opinion that this story has not been told in its entirety, and for that reason, I am not prepared to demand a man's life. Are you? Can you claim to know every single detail of what occurred?
Josef Fritzl is not a healthy individual; his psycho-spiritual state is severely disturbed, and who is to blame for that? Do you truly believe the human psyche simply twists itself spontaneously, as if influenced by some elemental storm? 🙄
While that does not excuse him, it certainly places the burden upon the soul of society at large, for it allows such atrocities to occur. Even if we were to hang Josef Fritzl, what is to stop another father (or MOTHER) from doing the exact same thing to their child, who will then do it to theirs, and so on, into perpetuity. In fact, in certain cultures, such things are commonplace.
Furthermore, incest—as horrific as it sounds to us—has been a normal occurrence, not just in the East, but among many royal bloodlines, Jews, and even in the marshes of Finland. Why? It comes down to the question of tradition, maintaining lineage, and the lack of a wide selection of sexual partners. Not to mention the story of Lot. Where are the roots of incest, and what is its purpose? What role do the mother and her blessing play in the whole narrative?
No, I am afraid that, as electrictiger70 said, I am not prepared to view this matter through a single dimension or to take it for granted.
I find no desire to engage in an argument with you, as it would inevitably lead to a conflict given that you fundamentally fail to comprehend my perspective and my way of thinking.
It is abundantly clear that you are being driven by prejudices, which extends even to this point:
"let them eat cake if they have no bread". Are you even aware that during that era, bakers in Paris were actually legally required to sell pastries at the price of bread during shortages? You likely aren't, because if you were, your view of the matter wouldn't be quite so narrow-minded.
Fine, regarding those four girls who died under strange circumstances over a twenty-four-year period—to me, that signifies nothing; twenty-four years is a vast expanse of time.
What presents a much greater mystery to me is something else entirely: a mother who does not go down into her basement for twenty-four years, who hears no cries of children coming from below, and who fails to notice her own daughter has vanished for over two decades... and it concerns me deeply that this very daughter does not mention it during the trial.
Josef Fritzl received his sentence—life in a psychiatric facility. Do you actually understand what that entails? Personally, I consider it a far more harrowing fate than the death penalty.
I am of the opinion that this story has not been told in its entirety, and for that reason, I am not prepared to demand a man's life. Are you? Can you claim to know every single detail of what occurred?
Josef Fritzl is not a healthy individual; his psycho-spiritual state is severely disturbed, and who is to blame for that? Do you truly believe the human psyche simply twists itself spontaneously, as if influenced by some elemental storm? 🙄
While that does not excuse him, it certainly places the burden upon the soul of society at large, for it allows such atrocities to occur. Even if we were to hang Josef Fritzl, what is to stop another father (or MOTHER) from doing the exact same thing to their child, who will then do it to theirs, and so on, into perpetuity. In fact, in certain cultures, such things are commonplace.
Furthermore, incest—as horrific as it sounds to us—has been a normal occurrence, not just in the East, but among many royal bloodlines, Jews, and even in the marshes of Finland. Why? It comes down to the question of tradition, maintaining lineage, and the lack of a wide selection of sexual partners. Not to mention the story of Lot. Where are the roots of incest, and what is its purpose? What role do the mother and her blessing play in the whole narrative?
No, I am afraid that, as electrictiger70 said, I am not prepared to view this matter through a single dimension or to take it for granted.
You aren't even asking about the victims? Interesting... very interesting. That's quite the perspective you've got there, all multidimensional and whatnot. I'm not interested in it's a sickness that needs to be eradicated, not studied. Everything is clear to me—I used to work in law enforcement.hiddenhound3 said:Haven't you heard about those four missing girls from that same timeframe? One of them was actually found strangled and assaulted, her body just discarded in a nearby lake. Isn't it chilling how these things happen?
We tend to view our homes as sanctuaries—the one place where we should feel truly safe. When you see organized shelters being set up, it’s a clear sign of premeditated planning. It shows that someone hasn't just reacted to a crisis, but has actually "trained" for it. If you can't continue your daily life out on the streets, what does that say about the stability of our environment? Does it mean the systems we rely on have already begun to fail us?
As you mentioned yourself, you just don't truly grasp it until you've actually lived through it. It’s almost as if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth—and I don't mean that as a personal jab. Rather, I'm talking about a certain detachment from the reality of those around you. It’s that mindset of "let them eat cake" when people are struggling to put bread on the table. Do you see what I mean?
It seems like you’re hitting on the exact same issue we see with the "prevention is better than cure" philosophy. Your observations really tie back to the broader picture I’ve been painting in my other posts—specifically that one regarding the death penalty. It all points to the same fundamental dilemma, doesn't it?
Some people are paralyzed by fear, too terrified to even attempt what needs to be done. But those who have already made up their minds? They’ll keep at it with the same relentless consistency as a sunny day, no matter how many times they have to repeat the process. Whether it’s driven by conscious intent or some deep-seated, "unconscious" impulse, it all stems from that same fundamental lack of empathy ingrained during their upbringing—which brings me right back to where I previously praised you.
It’s essentially a fundamental law of nature: if you catch an illness early enough, you can get the necessary treatment before it has the chance to spread. Isn't that the whole point? If we don't intervene at the onset, how can we ever hope to contain the damage?
Look, speaking from my own perspective as someone who lived through those wartime struggles, I’m certain she wouldn't have had the luxury of hair, let alone the ability to style it. Dealing with typhus back then was a brutal reality, so that's my direct answer to your "what if" scenario. How could anyone maintain an appearance like that under such conditions?
Could you give this some thought? I’d really love to hear what you think about it.
Haven't you heard about those four missing girls from that same timeframe? One of them was actually found strangled and assaulted, her body just discarded in a nearby lake. Isn't it chilling how these things happen?
We tend to view our homes as sanctuaries—the one place where we should feel truly safe. When you see organized shelters being set up, it’s a clear sign of premeditated planning. It shows that someone hasn't just reacted to a crisis, but has actually "trained" for it. If you can't continue your daily life out on the streets, what does that say about the stability of our environment? Does it mean the systems we rely on have already begun to fail us?
As you mentioned yourself, you just don't truly grasp it until you've actually lived through it. It’s almost as if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth—and I don't mean that as a personal jab. Rather, I'm talking about a certain detachment from the reality of those around you. It’s that mindset of "let them eat cake" when people are struggling to put bread on the table. Do you see what I mean?
It seems like you’re hitting on the exact same issue we see with the "prevention is better than cure" philosophy. Your observations really tie back to the broader picture I’ve been painting in my other posts—specifically that one regarding the death penalty. It all points to the same fundamental dilemma, doesn't it?
Some people are paralyzed by fear, too terrified to even attempt what needs to be done. But those who have already made up their minds? They’ll keep at it with the same relentless consistency as a sunny day, no matter how many times they have to repeat the process. Whether it’s driven by conscious intent or some deep-seated, "unconscious" impulse, it all stems from that same fundamental lack of empathy ingrained during their upbringing—which brings me right back to where I previously praised you.
It’s essentially a fundamental law of nature: if you catch an illness early enough, you can get the necessary treatment before it has the chance to spread. Isn't that the whole point? If we don't intervene at the onset, how can we ever hope to contain the damage?
Look, speaking from my own perspective as someone who lived through those wartime struggles, I’m certain she wouldn't have had the luxury of hair, let alone the ability to style it. Dealing with typhus back then was a brutal reality, so that's my direct answer to your "what if" scenario. How could anyone maintain an appearance like that under such conditions?
Could you give this some thought? I’d really love to hear what you think about it.I find no desire to engage in an argument with you, as it would inevitably lead to a conflict given that you fundamentally fail to comprehend my perspective and my way of thinking.
It is abundantly clear that you are being driven by prejudices, which extends even to this point:
"let them eat cake if they have no bread". Are you even aware that during that era, bakers in Paris were actually legally required to sell pastries at the price of bread during shortages? You likely aren't, because if you were, your view of the matter wouldn't be quite so narrow-minded.
Fine, regarding those four girls who died under strange circumstances over a twenty-four-year period—to me, that signifies nothing; twenty-four years is a vast expanse of time.
What presents a much greater mystery to me is something else entirely: a mother who does not go down into her basement for twenty-four years, who hears no cries of children coming from below, and who fails to notice her own daughter has vanished for over two decades... and it concerns me deeply that this very daughter does not mention it during the trial.
Josef Fritzl received his sentence—life in a psychiatric facility. Do you actually understand what that entails? Personally, I consider it a far more harrowing fate than the death penalty.
I am of the opinion that this story has not been told in its entirety, and for that reason, I am not prepared to demand a man's life. Are you? Can you claim to know every single detail of what occurred?
Josef Fritzl is not a healthy individual; his psycho-spiritual state is severely disturbed, and who is to blame for that? Do you truly believe the human psyche simply twists itself spontaneously, as if influenced by some elemental storm? 🙄
While that does not excuse him, it certainly places the burden upon the soul of society at large, for it allows such atrocities to occur. Even if we were to hang Josef Fritzl, what is to stop another father (or MOTHER) from doing the exact same thing to their child, who will then do it to theirs, and so on, into perpetuity. In fact, in certain cultures, such things are commonplace.
Furthermore, incest—as horrific as it sounds to us—has been a normal occurrence, not just in the East, but among many royal bloodlines, Jews, and even in the marshes of Finland. Why? It comes down to the question of tradition, maintaining lineage, and the lack of a wide selection of sexual partners. Not to mention the story of Lot. Where are the roots of incest, and what is its purpose? What role do the mother and her blessing play in the whole narrative?
No, I am afraid that, as electrictiger70 said, I am not prepared to view this matter through a single dimension or to take it for granted.
I find no desire to engage in an argument with you, as it would inevitably lead to a conflict given that you fundamentally fail to comprehend my perspective and my way of thinking.
It is abundantly clear that you are being driven by prejudices, which extends even to this point:
"let them eat cake if they have no bread". Are you even aware that during that era, bakers in Paris were actually legally required to sell pastries at the price of bread during shortages? You likely aren't, because if you were, your view of the matter wouldn't be quite so narrow-minded.
Fine, regarding those four girls who died under strange circumstances over a twenty-four-year period—to me, that signifies nothing; twenty-four years is a vast expanse of time.
What presents a much greater mystery to me is something else entirely: a mother who does not go down into her basement for twenty-four years, who hears no cries of children coming from below, and who fails to notice her own daughter has vanished for over two decades... and it concerns me deeply that this very daughter does not mention it during the trial.
Josef Fritzl received his sentence—life in a psychiatric facility. Do you actually understand what that entails? Personally, I consider it a far more harrowing fate than the death penalty.
I am of the opinion that this story has not been told in its entirety, and for that reason, I am not prepared to demand a man's life. Are you? Can you claim to know every single detail of what occurred?
Josef Fritzl is not a healthy individual; his psycho-spiritual state is severely disturbed, and who is to blame for that? Do you truly believe the human psyche simply twists itself spontaneously, as if influenced by some elemental storm? 🙄
While that does not excuse him, it certainly places the burden upon the soul of society at large, for it allows such atrocities to occur. Even if we were to hang Josef Fritzl, what is to stop another father (or MOTHER) from doing the exact same thing to their child, who will then do it to theirs, and so on, into perpetuity. In fact, in certain cultures, such things are commonplace.
Furthermore, incest—as horrific as it sounds to us—has been a normal occurrence, not just in the East, but among many royal bloodlines, Jews, and even in the marshes of Finland. Why? It comes down to the question of tradition, maintaining lineage, and the lack of a wide selection of sexual partners. Not to mention the story of Lot. Where are the roots of incest, and what is its purpose? What role do the mother and her blessing play in the whole narrative?
No, I am afraid that, as electrictiger70 said, I am not prepared to view this matter through a single dimension or to take it for granted.
And so what if he's sick? He wasn't "sick" when he was systematically making kids hidden away from the entire world—are you still trying to claim he wasn't aware of what he was doing?
Come see me at my clinic; I'll give you a free consultation.hiddenhound3 said:Haven't you heard about those four missing girls from that same timeframe? One of them was actually found strangled and assaulted, her body just discarded in a nearby lake. Isn't it chilling how these things happen?
We tend to view our homes as sanctuaries—the one place where we should feel truly safe. When you see organized shelters being set up, it’s a clear sign of premeditated planning. It shows that someone hasn't just reacted to a crisis, but has actually "trained" for it. If you can't continue your daily life out on the streets, what does that say about the stability of our environment? Does it mean the systems we rely on have already begun to fail us?
As you mentioned yourself, you just don't truly grasp it until you've actually lived through it. It’s almost as if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth—and I don't mean that as a personal jab. Rather, I'm talking about a certain detachment from the reality of those around you. It’s that mindset of "let them eat cake" when people are struggling to put bread on the table. Do you see what I mean?
It seems like you’re hitting on the exact same issue we see with the "prevention is better than cure" philosophy. Your observations really tie back to the broader picture I’ve been painting in my other posts—specifically that one regarding the death penalty. It all points to the same fundamental dilemma, doesn't it?
Some people are paralyzed by fear, too terrified to even attempt what needs to be done. But those who have already made up their minds? They’ll keep at it with the same relentless consistency as a sunny day, no matter how many times they have to repeat the process. Whether it’s driven by conscious intent or some deep-seated, "unconscious" impulse, it all stems from that same fundamental lack of empathy ingrained during their upbringing—which brings me right back to where I previously praised you.
It’s essentially a fundamental law of nature: if you catch an illness early enough, you can get the necessary treatment before it has the chance to spread. Isn't that the whole point? If we don't intervene at the onset, how can we ever hope to contain the damage?
Look, speaking from my own perspective as someone who lived through those wartime struggles, I’m certain she wouldn't have had the luxury of hair, let alone the ability to style it. Dealing with typhus back then was a brutal reality, so that's my direct answer to your "what if" scenario. How could anyone maintain an appearance like that under such conditions?
Could you give this some thought? I’d really love to hear what you think about it.
Haven't you heard about those four missing girls from that same timeframe? One of them was actually found strangled and assaulted, her body just discarded in a nearby lake. Isn't it chilling how these things happen?
We tend to view our homes as sanctuaries—the one place where we should feel truly safe. When you see organized shelters being set up, it’s a clear sign of premeditated planning. It shows that someone hasn't just reacted to a crisis, but has actually "trained" for it. If you can't continue your daily life out on the streets, what does that say about the stability of our environment? Does it mean the systems we rely on have already begun to fail us?
As you mentioned yourself, you just don't truly grasp it until you've actually lived through it. It’s almost as if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth—and I don't mean that as a personal jab. Rather, I'm talking about a certain detachment from the reality of those around you. It’s that mindset of "let them eat cake" when people are struggling to put bread on the table. Do you see what I mean?
It seems like you’re hitting on the exact same issue we see with the "prevention is better than cure" philosophy. Your observations really tie back to the broader picture I’ve been painting in my other posts—specifically that one regarding the death penalty. It all points to the same fundamental dilemma, doesn't it?
Some people are paralyzed by fear, too terrified to even attempt what needs to be done. But those who have already made up their minds? They’ll keep at it with the same relentless consistency as a sunny day, no matter how many times they have to repeat the process. Whether it’s driven by conscious intent or some deep-seated, "unconscious" impulse, it all stems from that same fundamental lack of empathy ingrained during their upbringing—which brings me right back to where I previously praised you.
It’s essentially a fundamental law of nature: if you catch an illness early enough, you can get the necessary treatment before it has the chance to spread. Isn't that the whole point? If we don't intervene at the onset, how can we ever hope to contain the damage?
Look, speaking from my own perspective as someone who lived through those wartime struggles, I’m certain she wouldn't have had the luxury of hair, let alone the ability to style it. Dealing with typhus back then was a brutal reality, so that's my direct answer to your "what if" scenario. How could anyone maintain an appearance like that under such conditions?
Could you give this some thought? I’d really love to hear what you think about it.I find no desire to engage in an argument with you, as it would inevitably lead to a conflict given that you fundamentally fail to comprehend my perspective and my way of thinking.
It is abundantly clear that you are being driven by prejudices, which extends even to this point:
"let them eat cake if they have no bread". Are you even aware that during that era, bakers in Paris were actually legally required to sell pastries at the price of bread during shortages? You likely aren't, because if you were, your view of the matter wouldn't be quite so narrow-minded.
Fine, regarding those four girls who died under strange circumstances over a twenty-four-year period—to me, that signifies nothing; twenty-four years is a vast expanse of time.
What presents a much greater mystery to me is something else entirely: a mother who does not go down into her basement for twenty-four years, who hears no cries of children coming from below, and who fails to notice her own daughter has vanished for over two decades... and it concerns me deeply that this very daughter does not mention it during the trial.
Josef Fritzl received his sentence—life in a psychiatric facility. Do you actually understand what that entails? Personally, I consider it a far more harrowing fate than the death penalty.
I am of the opinion that this story has not been told in its entirety, and for that reason, I am not prepared to demand a man's life. Are you? Can you claim to know every single detail of what occurred?
Josef Fritzl is not a healthy individual; his psycho-spiritual state is severely disturbed, and who is to blame for that? Do you truly believe the human psyche simply twists itself spontaneously, as if influenced by some elemental storm? 🙄
While that does not excuse him, it certainly places the burden upon the soul of society at large, for it allows such atrocities to occur. Even if we were to hang Josef Fritzl, what is to stop another father (or MOTHER) from doing the exact same thing to their child, who will then do it to theirs, and so on, into perpetuity. In fact, in certain cultures, such things are commonplace.
Furthermore, incest—as horrific as it sounds to us—has been a normal occurrence, not just in the East, but among many royal bloodlines, Jews, and even in the marshes of Finland. Why? It comes down to the question of tradition, maintaining lineage, and the lack of a wide selection of sexual partners. Not to mention the story of Lot. Where are the roots of incest, and what is its purpose? What role do the mother and her blessing play in the whole narrative?
No, I am afraid that, as electrictiger70 said, I am not prepared to view this matter through a single dimension or to take it for granted.
I find no desire to engage in an argument with you, as it would inevitably lead to a conflict given that you fundamentally fail to comprehend my perspective and my way of thinking.
It is abundantly clear that you are being driven by prejudices, which extends even to this point:
"let them eat cake if they have no bread". Are you even aware that during that era, bakers in Paris were actually legally required to sell pastries at the price of bread during shortages? You likely aren't, because if you were, your view of the matter wouldn't be quite so narrow-minded.
Fine, regarding those four girls who died under strange circumstances over a twenty-four-year period—to me, that signifies nothing; twenty-four years is a vast expanse of time.
What presents a much greater mystery to me is something else entirely: a mother who does not go down into her basement for twenty-four years, who hears no cries of children coming from below, and who fails to notice her own daughter has vanished for over two decades... and it concerns me deeply that this very daughter does not mention it during the trial.
Josef Fritzl received his sentence—life in a psychiatric facility. Do you actually understand what that entails? Personally, I consider it a far more harrowing fate than the death penalty.
I am of the opinion that this story has not been told in its entirety, and for that reason, I am not prepared to demand a man's life. Are you? Can you claim to know every single detail of what occurred?
Josef Fritzl is not a healthy individual; his psycho-spiritual state is severely disturbed, and who is to blame for that? Do you truly believe the human psyche simply twists itself spontaneously, as if influenced by some elemental storm? 🙄
While that does not excuse him, it certainly places the burden upon the soul of society at large, for it allows such atrocities to occur. Even if we were to hang Josef Fritzl, what is to stop another father (or MOTHER) from doing the exact same thing to their child, who will then do it to theirs, and so on, into perpetuity. In fact, in certain cultures, such things are commonplace.
Furthermore, incest—as horrific as it sounds to us—has been a normal occurrence, not just in the East, but among many royal bloodlines, Jews, and even in the marshes of Finland. Why? It comes down to the question of tradition, maintaining lineage, and the lack of a wide selection of sexual partners. Not to mention the story of Lot. Where are the roots of incest, and what is its purpose? What role do the mother and her blessing play in the whole narrative?
No, I am afraid that, as electrictiger70 said, I am not prepared to view this matter through a single dimension or to take it for granted.
See, if the process were "short," this would all disappear.hiddenhound3 said:Haven't you heard about those four missing girls from that same timeframe? One of them was actually found strangled and assaulted, her body just discarded in a nearby lake. Isn't it chilling how these things happen?
We tend to view our homes as sanctuaries—the one place where we should feel truly safe. When you see organized shelters being set up, it’s a clear sign of premeditated planning. It shows that someone hasn't just reacted to a crisis, but has actually "trained" for it. If you can't continue your daily life out on the streets, what does that say about the stability of our environment? Does it mean the systems we rely on have already begun to fail us?
As you mentioned yourself, you just don't truly grasp it until you've actually lived through it. It’s almost as if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth—and I don't mean that as a personal jab. Rather, I'm talking about a certain detachment from the reality of those around you. It’s that mindset of "let them eat cake" when people are struggling to put bread on the table. Do you see what I mean?
It seems like you’re hitting on the exact same issue we see with the "prevention is better than cure" philosophy. Your observations really tie back to the broader picture I’ve been painting in my other posts—specifically that one regarding the death penalty. It all points to the same fundamental dilemma, doesn't it?
Some people are paralyzed by fear, too terrified to even attempt what needs to be done. But those who have already made up their minds? They’ll keep at it with the same relentless consistency as a sunny day, no matter how many times they have to repeat the process. Whether it’s driven by conscious intent or some deep-seated, "unconscious" impulse, it all stems from that same fundamental lack of empathy ingrained during their upbringing—which brings me right back to where I previously praised you.
It’s essentially a fundamental law of nature: if you catch an illness early enough, you can get the necessary treatment before it has the chance to spread. Isn't that the whole point? If we don't intervene at the onset, how can we ever hope to contain the damage?
Look, speaking from my own perspective as someone who lived through those wartime struggles, I’m certain she wouldn't have had the luxury of hair, let alone the ability to style it. Dealing with typhus back then was a brutal reality, so that's my direct answer to your "what if" scenario. How could anyone maintain an appearance like that under such conditions?
Could you give this some thought? I’d really love to hear what you think about it.
Haven't you heard about those four missing girls from that same timeframe? One of them was actually found strangled and assaulted, her body just discarded in a nearby lake. Isn't it chilling how these things happen?
We tend to view our homes as sanctuaries—the one place where we should feel truly safe. When you see organized shelters being set up, it’s a clear sign of premeditated planning. It shows that someone hasn't just reacted to a crisis, but has actually "trained" for it. If you can't continue your daily life out on the streets, what does that say about the stability of our environment? Does it mean the systems we rely on have already begun to fail us?
As you mentioned yourself, you just don't truly grasp it until you've actually lived through it. It’s almost as if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth—and I don't mean that as a personal jab. Rather, I'm talking about a certain detachment from the reality of those around you. It’s that mindset of "let them eat cake" when people are struggling to put bread on the table. Do you see what I mean?
It seems like you’re hitting on the exact same issue we see with the "prevention is better than cure" philosophy. Your observations really tie back to the broader picture I’ve been painting in my other posts—specifically that one regarding the death penalty. It all points to the same fundamental dilemma, doesn't it?
Some people are paralyzed by fear, too terrified to even attempt what needs to be done. But those who have already made up their minds? They’ll keep at it with the same relentless consistency as a sunny day, no matter how many times they have to repeat the process. Whether it’s driven by conscious intent or some deep-seated, "unconscious" impulse, it all stems from that same fundamental lack of empathy ingrained during their upbringing—which brings me right back to where I previously praised you.
It’s essentially a fundamental law of nature: if you catch an illness early enough, you can get the necessary treatment before it has the chance to spread. Isn't that the whole point? If we don't intervene at the onset, how can we ever hope to contain the damage?
Look, speaking from my own perspective as someone who lived through those wartime struggles, I’m certain she wouldn't have had the luxury of hair, let alone the ability to style it. Dealing with typhus back then was a brutal reality, so that's my direct answer to your "what if" scenario. How could anyone maintain an appearance like that under such conditions?
Could you give this some thought? I’d really love to hear what you think about it.I find no desire to engage in an argument with you, as it would inevitably lead to a conflict given that you fundamentally fail to comprehend my perspective and my way of thinking.
It is abundantly clear that you are being driven by prejudices, which extends even to this point:
"let them eat cake if they have no bread". Are you even aware that during that era, bakers in Paris were actually legally required to sell pastries at the price of bread during shortages? You likely aren't, because if you were, your view of the matter wouldn't be quite so narrow-minded.
Fine, regarding those four girls who died under strange circumstances over a twenty-four-year period—to me, that signifies nothing; twenty-four years is a vast expanse of time.
What presents a much greater mystery to me is something else entirely: a mother who does not go down into her basement for twenty-four years, who hears no cries of children coming from below, and who fails to notice her own daughter has vanished for over two decades... and it concerns me deeply that this very daughter does not mention it during the trial.
Josef Fritzl received his sentence—life in a psychiatric facility. Do you actually understand what that entails? Personally, I consider it a far more harrowing fate than the death penalty.
I am of the opinion that this story has not been told in its entirety, and for that reason, I am not prepared to demand a man's life. Are you? Can you claim to know every single detail of what occurred?
Josef Fritzl is not a healthy individual; his psycho-spiritual state is severely disturbed, and who is to blame for that? Do you truly believe the human psyche simply twists itself spontaneously, as if influenced by some elemental storm? 🙄
While that does not excuse him, it certainly places the burden upon the soul of society at large, for it allows such atrocities to occur. Even if we were to hang Josef Fritzl, what is to stop another father (or MOTHER) from doing the exact same thing to their child, who will then do it to theirs, and so on, into perpetuity. In fact, in certain cultures, such things are commonplace.
Furthermore, incest—as horrific as it sounds to us—has been a normal occurrence, not just in the East, but among many royal bloodlines, Jews, and even in the marshes of Finland. Why? It comes down to the question of tradition, maintaining lineage, and the lack of a wide selection of sexual partners. Not to mention the story of Lot. Where are the roots of incest, and what is its purpose? What role do the mother and her blessing play in the whole narrative?
No, I am afraid that, as electrictiger70 said, I am not prepared to view this matter through a single dimension or to take it for granted.
I find no desire to engage in an argument with you, as it would inevitably lead to a conflict given that you fundamentally fail to comprehend my perspective and my way of thinking.
It is abundantly clear that you are being driven by prejudices, which extends even to this point:
"let them eat cake if they have no bread". Are you even aware that during that era, bakers in Paris were actually legally required to sell pastries at the price of bread during shortages? You likely aren't, because if you were, your view of the matter wouldn't be quite so narrow-minded.
Fine, regarding those four girls who died under strange circumstances over a twenty-four-year period—to me, that signifies nothing; twenty-four years is a vast expanse of time.
What presents a much greater mystery to me is something else entirely: a mother who does not go down into her basement for twenty-four years, who hears no cries of children coming from below, and who fails to notice her own daughter has vanished for over two decades... and it concerns me deeply that this very daughter does not mention it during the trial.
Josef Fritzl received his sentence—life in a psychiatric facility. Do you actually understand what that entails? Personally, I consider it a far more harrowing fate than the death penalty.
I am of the opinion that this story has not been told in its entirety, and for that reason, I am not prepared to demand a man's life. Are you? Can you claim to know every single detail of what occurred?
Josef Fritzl is not a healthy individual; his psycho-spiritual state is severely disturbed, and who is to blame for that? Do you truly believe the human psyche simply twists itself spontaneously, as if influenced by some elemental storm? 🙄
While that does not excuse him, it certainly places the burden upon the soul of society at large, for it allows such atrocities to occur. Even if we were to hang Josef Fritzl, what is to stop another father (or MOTHER) from doing the exact same thing to their child, who will then do it to theirs, and so on, into perpetuity. In fact, in certain cultures, such things are commonplace.
Furthermore, incest—as horrific as it sounds to us—has been a normal occurrence, not just in the East, but among many royal bloodlines, Jews, and even in the marshes of Finland. Why? It comes down to the question of tradition, maintaining lineage, and the lack of a wide selection of sexual partners. Not to mention the story of Lot. Where are the roots of incest, and what is its purpose? What role do the mother and her blessing play in the whole narrative?
No, I am afraid that, as electrictiger70 said, I am not prepared to view this matter through a single dimension or to take it for granted.
Look, I'm an atheist. I'm not gonna get into the other stuff—honestly, it’d take forever to type out all that—but yeah, that's where I stand.hiddenhound3 said:Haven't you heard about those four missing girls from that same timeframe? One of them was actually found strangled and assaulted, her body just discarded in a nearby lake. Isn't it chilling how these things happen?
We tend to view our homes as sanctuaries—the one place where we should feel truly safe. When you see organized shelters being set up, it’s a clear sign of premeditated planning. It shows that someone hasn't just reacted to a crisis, but has actually "trained" for it. If you can't continue your daily life out on the streets, what does that say about the stability of our environment? Does it mean the systems we rely on have already begun to fail us?
As you mentioned yourself, you just don't truly grasp it until you've actually lived through it. It’s almost as if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth—and I don't mean that as a personal jab. Rather, I'm talking about a certain detachment from the reality of those around you. It’s that mindset of "let them eat cake" when people are struggling to put bread on the table. Do you see what I mean?
It seems like you’re hitting on the exact same issue we see with the "prevention is better than cure" philosophy. Your observations really tie back to the broader picture I’ve been painting in my other posts—specifically that one regarding the death penalty. It all points to the same fundamental dilemma, doesn't it?
Some people are paralyzed by fear, too terrified to even attempt what needs to be done. But those who have already made up their minds? They’ll keep at it with the same relentless consistency as a sunny day, no matter how many times they have to repeat the process. Whether it’s driven by conscious intent or some deep-seated, "unconscious" impulse, it all stems from that same fundamental lack of empathy ingrained during their upbringing—which brings me right back to where I previously praised you.
It’s essentially a fundamental law of nature: if you catch an illness early enough, you can get the necessary treatment before it has the chance to spread. Isn't that the whole point? If we don't intervene at the onset, how can we ever hope to contain the damage?
Look, speaking from my own perspective as someone who lived through those wartime struggles, I’m certain she wouldn't have had the luxury of hair, let alone the ability to style it. Dealing with typhus back then was a brutal reality, so that's my direct answer to your "what if" scenario. How could anyone maintain an appearance like that under such conditions?
Could you give this some thought? I’d really love to hear what you think about it.
Haven't you heard about those four missing girls from that same timeframe? One of them was actually found strangled and assaulted, her body just discarded in a nearby lake. Isn't it chilling how these things happen?
We tend to view our homes as sanctuaries—the one place where we should feel truly safe. When you see organized shelters being set up, it’s a clear sign of premeditated planning. It shows that someone hasn't just reacted to a crisis, but has actually "trained" for it. If you can't continue your daily life out on the streets, what does that say about the stability of our environment? Does it mean the systems we rely on have already begun to fail us?
As you mentioned yourself, you just don't truly grasp it until you've actually lived through it. It’s almost as if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth—and I don't mean that as a personal jab. Rather, I'm talking about a certain detachment from the reality of those around you. It’s that mindset of "let them eat cake" when people are struggling to put bread on the table. Do you see what I mean?
It seems like you’re hitting on the exact same issue we see with the "prevention is better than cure" philosophy. Your observations really tie back to the broader picture I’ve been painting in my other posts—specifically that one regarding the death penalty. It all points to the same fundamental dilemma, doesn't it?
Some people are paralyzed by fear, too terrified to even attempt what needs to be done. But those who have already made up their minds? They’ll keep at it with the same relentless consistency as a sunny day, no matter how many times they have to repeat the process. Whether it’s driven by conscious intent or some deep-seated, "unconscious" impulse, it all stems from that same fundamental lack of empathy ingrained during their upbringing—which brings me right back to where I previously praised you.
It’s essentially a fundamental law of nature: if you catch an illness early enough, you can get the necessary treatment before it has the chance to spread. Isn't that the whole point? If we don't intervene at the onset, how can we ever hope to contain the damage?
Look, speaking from my own perspective as someone who lived through those wartime struggles, I’m certain she wouldn't have had the luxury of hair, let alone the ability to style it. Dealing with typhus back then was a brutal reality, so that's my direct answer to your "what if" scenario. How could anyone maintain an appearance like that under such conditions?
Could you give this some thought? I’d really love to hear what you think about it.I find no desire to engage in an argument with you, as it would inevitably lead to a conflict given that you fundamentally fail to comprehend my perspective and my way of thinking.
It is abundantly clear that you are being driven by prejudices, which extends even to this point:
"let them eat cake if they have no bread". Are you even aware that during that era, bakers in Paris were actually legally required to sell pastries at the price of bread during shortages? You likely aren't, because if you were, your view of the matter wouldn't be quite so narrow-minded.
Fine, regarding those four girls who died under strange circumstances over a twenty-four-year period—to me, that signifies nothing; twenty-four years is a vast expanse of time.
What presents a much greater mystery to me is something else entirely: a mother who does not go down into her basement for twenty-four years, who hears no cries of children coming from below, and who fails to notice her own daughter has vanished for over two decades... and it concerns me deeply that this very daughter does not mention it during the trial.
Josef Fritzl received his sentence—life in a psychiatric facility. Do you actually understand what that entails? Personally, I consider it a far more harrowing fate than the death penalty.
I am of the opinion that this story has not been told in its entirety, and for that reason, I am not prepared to demand a man's life. Are you? Can you claim to know every single detail of what occurred?
Josef Fritzl is not a healthy individual; his psycho-spiritual state is severely disturbed, and who is to blame for that? Do you truly believe the human psyche simply twists itself spontaneously, as if influenced by some elemental storm? 🙄
While that does not excuse him, it certainly places the burden upon the soul of society at large, for it allows such atrocities to occur. Even if we were to hang Josef Fritzl, what is to stop another father (or MOTHER) from doing the exact same thing to their child, who will then do it to theirs, and so on, into perpetuity. In fact, in certain cultures, such things are commonplace.
Furthermore, incest—as horrific as it sounds to us—has been a normal occurrence, not just in the East, but among many royal bloodlines, Jews, and even in the marshes of Finland. Why? It comes down to the question of tradition, maintaining lineage, and the lack of a wide selection of sexual partners. Not to mention the story of Lot. Where are the roots of incest, and what is its purpose? What role do the mother and her blessing play in the whole narrative?
No, I am afraid that, as electrictiger70 said, I am not prepared to view this matter through a single dimension or to take it for granted.
I find no desire to engage in an argument with you, as it would inevitably lead to a conflict given that you fundamentally fail to comprehend my perspective and my way of thinking.
It is abundantly clear that you are being driven by prejudices, which extends even to this point:
"let them eat cake if they have no bread". Are you even aware that during that era, bakers in Paris were actually legally required to sell pastries at the price of bread during shortages? You likely aren't, because if you were, your view of the matter wouldn't be quite so narrow-minded.
Fine, regarding those four girls who died under strange circumstances over a twenty-four-year period—to me, that signifies nothing; twenty-four years is a vast expanse of time.
What presents a much greater mystery to me is something else entirely: a mother who does not go down into her basement for twenty-four years, who hears no cries of children coming from below, and who fails to notice her own daughter has vanished for over two decades... and it concerns me deeply that this very daughter does not mention it during the trial.
Josef Fritzl received his sentence—life in a psychiatric facility. Do you actually understand what that entails? Personally, I consider it a far more harrowing fate than the death penalty.
I am of the opinion that this story has not been told in its entirety, and for that reason, I am not prepared to demand a man's life. Are you? Can you claim to know every single detail of what occurred?
Josef Fritzl is not a healthy individual; his psycho-spiritual state is severely disturbed, and who is to blame for that? Do you truly believe the human psyche simply twists itself spontaneously, as if influenced by some elemental storm? 🙄
While that does not excuse him, it certainly places the burden upon the soul of society at large, for it allows such atrocities to occur. Even if we were to hang Josef Fritzl, what is to stop another father (or MOTHER) from doing the exact same thing to their child, who will then do it to theirs, and so on, into perpetuity. In fact, in certain cultures, such things are commonplace.
Furthermore, incest—as horrific as it sounds to us—has been a normal occurrence, not just in the East, but among many royal bloodlines, Jews, and even in the marshes of Finland. Why? It comes down to the question of tradition, maintaining lineage, and the lack of a wide selection of sexual partners. Not to mention the story of Lot. Where are the roots of incest, and what is its purpose? What role do the mother and her blessing play in the whole narrative?
No, I am afraid that, as electrictiger70 said, I am not prepared to view this matter through a single dimension or to take it for granted.
Look, I think you’ve just got your wires crossed a bit—or maybe you're just looking at things from the wrong angle—but, honestly, my professional take is that you need a bit of a reality check to actually get where you need to be. And before anyone starts thinking this is just me letting my ego get in the way—trust me, it’s not—it’s just that you have so much potential for growth, but you aren't really leaning into it. Or maybe you're just stalling, I don't know.