Posts by Patrick Chase11

goldenfox24 said:or just drop $120 on a 5kg tub of pure Optimuvov protein

The thing is, you need to have $120 burning a hole in your pocket all at once...
I'm broke as hell right now, and I've still got enough whey left for maybe two or three more workouts. If I hadn't been such an idiot and bought that Dymatize stuff for $83, I could've probably scored an extra two pounds for just $17 more...

stormyheron4 said:Nah, once you factor in the membership fee, we're looking at more than a 15-pound difference. $45 A thousand bucks—that’s what they’re asking for the annual membership fee. $67 But even in those cases... $67 They’ll toss you a free kilo of whey just for showing up, especially if your order clears. $333 They handle the shipping costs themselves, paying cash on delivery when it arrives. If you think eight kilos—counting that extra one you get from signing up—is too much weight to manage, just grab a few friends and split the shipping fees. And obviously, don't forget the whey. 😁For the most part, it’s hardly worth the effort.

God, I need to get my act together and actually confront someone about this eventually.

stormyheron4 said:if you order more than about 15 pounds, the price per pound drops down to $45

+ if you're part of a club, you get another 10% off, right?

Matthew Miller38 said:No, he’s actually sourcing them; we just still owe him a bit more money. He’s an American through and through, too.

Ah... I know the guy...
Just run the numbers and see which option actually makes sense for you, then go with that.

Are you actually thinking about ordering them from the USA? I wonder what the total damage would be once everything lands. You already have high-quality $57 pounds of whey right here in America, which is
enough.

boldtinker12 said:@Patrick Chase11/">@@Patrick Chase11

I’ll dig around for the specific article, but the core reality remains the same: creatine metabolism involves the kidneys, muscles, liver, and pancreas. A sixteen-year-old's body isn't operating with the same physiological maturity as a twenty-five-year-old's. As far as I'm concerned, that's the end of the discussion.

You’d almost think a twelve-year-old girl hadn't hit her stride yet, but then you look at my neighbor and realize some people just skip the awkward stages entirely. 😁

If you manage to track that down, just shoot me a DM. 😉

goldenfox24 said:I'm feeling pretty low lately.

Go grab yourself a shot of bourbon.

goldenfox24 said:You really should only deal with the whole bodybuilding thing once you've moved out, because the older generation will just nag you about dying from too much protein.

My grandmother never gave me any grief about passing away from protein intake; she isn't some uneducated farm girl who doesn't grasp that protein is a fundamental building block of the body that I’m already getting from steak, eggs, and cheese anyway.🙄
The only thing I ever had to explain to her was that whey comes from milk whey. That was plenty for her to wrap her head around.

boldtinker12 said:What kind of sentence is that? Saying it works better for a 20-year-old than a 15-year-old...
The fundamental concept you’re clearly missing or ignoring here is biological development. At 16 and a half, your body isn't even remotely as developed as someone who is 20 or 25.
On the link I provided, it explicitly states which products bodybuilding.com recommends for the teen demographic. It clearly mentions that you can take aminos in any form, whether tablets or liquid.
Find someone to design a training program suited to your age and current physical state; alternatively, if you have the drive, just walk into a local gym in your city, and I suspect they'll be happy to point you in the right direction regarding both training and potential supplements. In my view, that's the best route if you're actually serious about this; if it's just a passing interest... stick to the basic compound movements and you'll look better than most kids your age.

My bad, I phrased that poorly; sorry, that's the clarification I needed to provide.😉
I'm telling you that I haven't come across a study regarding metabolism and creatine yet, but since you claimed they exist, please send me a link if you have one, as I'd actually like to read it.
I put my training and nutrition plan together myself using help from this forum and a few other sites.
Right now I'm running a TBT program from CW, and after that, I'm thinking of moving to 5x5 or OVT.
Back in my hometown, there was only one single gym/fitness center.
If I can afford it—since this isn't exactly a cheap hobby—I'll start taking this more seriously.

boldtinker12 said:1. Creatine—various studies suggest its effectiveness depends heavily on metabolic maturity; a 15-year-old’s system isn't operating quite the same way as someone in their early 20s. Your diet plays a massive role when you're supplementing with creatine. At the end of the day, nobody can stop you from buying it or using it if you choose to.
My advice? If you're going to bother, stick to reputable brands that sell "pure" creatine. A lot of companies are just repackaging Chinese creatine that comes with some pretty questionable purity levels.

2. There's nothing saying you aren't allowed to take aminos; the general recommendation is usually reserved for those over 16. You can take as much of whatever you can afford.
Just be mindful of the brand you pick. If you haven't started breaking out in acne yet, it's worth noting that amino tablets could easily be the culprit behind skin issues.

Again, you can take whatever you feel works for you; no one is going to step in and forbid it. Just train hard, eat right, stick to your whey, and enjoy the process.

Do you actually have a study regarding metabolism and creatine? I’d love to read that, because I’ve never come across the theory that creatine works better for a 20-year-old than it does for a 15-year-old...
As for the stuff from China, I'm already well aware of the situation with liquid creatine preparations. 😉

Where is the logic in this? Am I allowed to drink protein made of amino acid chains, but I'm not supposed to take individual amino acids by themselves?

When it comes to supplements, I only stick to whey and a multivitamin. Honestly, I barely have enough left over for those, let alone adding creatine to the mix.
Training and diet are dialed in, so I'm just putting in the work. 😁

boldtinker12 said:Age matters quite a bit here. This is the original article, so just read it and translate those nonsense claims for yourself.
If you ask me, it’s all just noise, so feel free to keep preaching whatever you want.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/teens.htm#16

http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/bod...upplements.htm

Then why don't you explain to me why I can't touch creatine at 15 years and 11 months old, but once I hit 16, suddenly it's fine? What happens then, does the supplement come looking for my ID? Is it going to see I'm not old enough and say, "Oh, sorry, I won't work on you today"?
Pure nonsense... by that logic, I should probably cut out red meat too, since I might accidentally ingest a couple of grams of creatine through it.🙄

And please, tell me why it's okay to drink Whey protein but not aminos?

Come on, just explain those two things so I can sleep easy tonight and finally walk away from this argument.

boldtinker12 said:you're under 16😕

I don't see how my age has anything to do with the nonsense written in this article.
By the way, I'll be 17 in about a year.😉

boldtinker12 said:😉

Well, that’s exactly how it was laid out in that article you decided to champion. 😉

It clearly states whey, under 16, then amino at 16-19.

boldtinker12 said:You clearly didn't read carefully.

Maybe this all sounds like nonsense to you, but you're still just a kid who needs to eat enough oatmeal to fill a bathtub before he understands anything about nutrition or training.
You’d be better off actually studying the science behind fitness and diet—there is plenty of high-quality research available online. Try leaning less on hearsay, random forum trolls, or those self-appointed "gym sheriffs" you find at your local Gold's Gym.

Nah, corn isn't great; they make stuff out of corn, whereas oats are a much better option.😉
What makes you think I don't study training and nutrition? What leads you to believe I'm just following the advice of neighborhood busybodies, glossy magazines, or those gym experts you mentioned? It's right there under my username, isn't it?

And go ahead, tell me exactly what part I failed to read carefully.

boldtinker12's page said:Teenagers under 16 have the choice to take supplements or not. If you decide to go that route, these are the products that will help you build that desired muscle mass faster.

Whey
Whey casein
Egg white protein
Soy
Protein blends
Low carb products
Mass gainer

Multi-vitamins and minerals

Teenagers aged 16 to 19

In this age group, teenagers can also use the products listed below, in addition to those mentioned above.

Creatine
Glutamine
Anabolic agents
Amino acids and BCAAs
NO (Nitric Oxide)
ZMA
HMB

boldtinker12 said:Kids, here’s an article for you:

http://www.building-body.com/Tinejdzeri-suplementi.html

I found that section about the 16-to-19 age bracket particularly fascinating... basically, I’m supposedly forbidden from taking amino acid tablets, yet whey protein is perfectly fine? It’s like trying to follow logic through a thick fog. 😂
or, does creatine just recognize I haven't hit sixteen yet and decide to stop working? Pure nonsense...

Sophia Ward25 said:It goes like this... I've decided to start hitting the gym with my brother. I'm 16... (maybe a bit young for the weight room, though I don't think so since I'm exceptionally tall and strong), so I'm wondering if anyone knows how much protein would be ideal if I'm training three times a week? Also, is it possible to train without all those protein powders and supplements, just using healthy, natural whole foods from home... maybe some beans occasionally🙄 and based on your own experience, how long does it actually take to build a good, or even great, physique... defined abs and everything else... thanks in advance🤣

You aren't too young for the gym; I wasn't even 17 myself yet.😉
Protein powder? Try 30g of protein plus about 60-70g of glucose (like grape sugar, you can find it at a CVS or Walgreens) dissolved in about 3 ounces of water right after your workout.
Yeah, you can definitely train without supplements. They don't amount to much anyway if your actual diet isn't dialed in; there's no point in having supplements if you don't even have a solid nutritional foundation first.😉
Besides, beans are great.🙏 Just make sure to pair them with some meat—chicken or turkey is best, or maybe some tuna in water.😉

Now, it really depends on what your definition of a "good" body and strength level is. If you're happy being lean at 130 pounds and 5'11", you can certainly achieve that just with home-cooked meals. But if you want to be squatting twice your body weight, that’s a different beast entirely and will require some serious time. Of course, you have to factor in your nutrition, your training split, and your genetics.

Dennis James5 said:IT DOESN'T MATTER 😂😂😂

Since you're eating so much anyway,
you might as well tell us what Mom made for dinner.

Dennis James5 said:I’m eating a ton, but I just can't seem to put on any weight, damn it!

If you were actually eating enough, it would show. Tossing back two sandwiches and whatever your mom whipped up for dinner doesn't count as a real nutrition plan.

tell us what you ate yesterday.

Dennis James5 said:Hey, I just joined the forum, but I wanted to ask you something. I'm pretty skinny and want to try using protein supplements, but I have no clue which ones to pick. Also, is there any risk of gaining fat if I decide to stop training after a while? Thanks a lot!

If you're thin, it all comes down to whether or not you actually eat enough food.

Christian Ramirez67 said:So I guess I've been operating under a total misconception until now... I thought you had to calculate lean muscle mass first by stripping away the fat. For instance, if I'm sitting at 175 lbs with 15% body fat, wouldn't that mean I subtract about 26 lbs of fat to leave me with roughly 149 lbs of lean tissue, and then you multiply that by whatever factor? It just seems intuitive that protein requirements should only be tied to the actual muscle mass itself, right?

And honestly, we could probably spend all day debating whether you're an ectomorph, mesomorph, or endomorph, or dissecting the specific intensity of your training sessions...
Just hammer out six meals a day with at least 25 grams of protein per serving—aim for 30 or even 40 if you can—and you'll have more than enough to get the job done.

Tyler Carter93 said:Take your body weight in kilos and multiply by two or three to get your protein grams.
So if you're sitting at 200 lbs, you're looking at roughly 180-270g of protein per day.
That’s the rule of thumb if you're actually hitting the gym with any real intention. xD
If you can't afford that much—and let's be honest, most people can't—just aim for as much as your budget allows.

Personally, I'm pulling in about 220g on my rest days, and I bump that up to around 250g on training days to support my 160-pound frame.😂😂😂