Posts by mellowtiger83

Jason Campbell70 said:Back when we had Alonso, the car just wasn't there.
By the time the car was actually good, Alonso was gone.

I am genuinely curious to see how Red Bull Racing plans to develop their own engine independently😁 🤣, they certainly had a good run while they could.

Jason Campbell70 said:^^ From the neighboring thread.

Ferrari really should have secured at least one title there, but Sebastian Vettel masterfully handed everything over to Lewis Hamilton.

Bravo Charles. He’s really the only one out there who can go toe-to-toe with Max Verstappen without blinking. He doesn't give up an inch, which honestly forces Max to keep his driving standards at an absolute peak.

I suppose this is just karma coming back to haunt Red Bull Racing after that ridiculous business in Abu Dhabi.

This could turn into quite an intense opening between Max Verstappen and Charles Leclerc. Both drivers possess an incredibly aggressive, uncompromising edge. Max understands this perfectly; he isn't going to dive in recklessly because he’s known since his karting days that Leclerc won't be showing him any mercy.

It is exactly the kind of opponent Max needs—someone just as relentless and equally unyielding as he is.

Jason Campbell70 said:Teams are hungry for every scrap of data they can get for later analysis. They're running endless laps, clearly harboring a massive amount of distrust toward CFD and wind tunnel simulations. That’s why we see so many Pitot tubes and piles of flow viz paint.
The more laps, the better. Lap times are irrelevant at this stage.

Here are a few comparison shots from Twitter:
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In this shot, you can spot the most intriguing detail on the new Red Bull, the lower beam wing acting as an extension to the upper diffuser plane.
Though, seeing such a mountain of flow viz suggests that even Red Bull doesn't fully trust their CFD or wind tunnel models.

I am looking forward to Bahrain.

Red Bull is running two beam wings. The regulations specify the size allowed for one, but they don't actually limit the quantity. They found a loophole in the rulebook. At first glance, it seems they might gain extra downforce because the air accelerates through the gap between the two wings.

Ferrari looks very strong. Red Bull brought a sharp tool to the fight, but Ferrari seemingly solved the issue back at the factory, and they did it quite elegantly.

stormybadger8 said:It is quite interesting how much Aston Martin and McLaren differ, even though they both run Mercedes engines...

At first glance, Aston Martin seems to be taking a much more aggressive approach, judging by those early renders. I'm just sitting here wondering how insane the Red Bull, Mercedes-Benz, and Ferrari cars are going to look.

graniteharbor502 said:By that same logic, Lewis Hamilton shouldn't have been awarded points in the United Kingdom either, because isn't it equally absurd to grant points to a driver who essentially knocked his direct rival out of the race? 🤷
Lewis Hamilton walked away from that one with points he didn't truly deserve...

If you had asked me, that race at Spa-Francorchamps should have been completed rather than being called off entirely.

Lewis didn't knock anyone off the track in the United Kingdom; he was on his racing line WITHIN THE TRACK, and Max essentially took himself out by steering into the space occupied by the car. If he hadn't had the advantage leading up to the next corner—which is a left, his inside line—it would have been different.
We are talking about speeds well over 200km/h here, and if you actually intend to convince me that Lewis intentionally forced Max off at that velocity, then we really have nothing left to discuss.
In Brazil, Max's intention is obvious, INTENTIONAL in all caps.

Just because you're a moderator doesn't mean you can delete my posts, especially since you know exactly what I wrote.

If this forum doesn't allow insults based on nationality, race, or whatever else, why are you doing it right in the middle of a Catholic nation?

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/992372...tfacing-camera

The stewards decided not to issue a penalty since there wasn't a camera angle showing exactly what Max was doing with the steering wheel. It makes me wonder why that specific footage didn't make its way to them. I suspect they'll revisit this later. I wouldn't be surprised if the "no penalty" ruling changes once the right video surfaces. Once that footage is available, it will likely prove his actions were intentional.

Jason Campbell70 said:Since we're already digging through the archives and debating how rules get implemented and interpreted, I'll toss my two cents into the ring:

Formula 1 bans moving under braking following complaints regarding Max Verstappen

Following driver pushback against Max Verstappen’s defensive maneuvers, Formula 1 has officially prohibited moving while braking.

While the driver from the Netherlands has made this tactic his signature move during battles with competitors, several other drivers have voiced concerns that it is incredibly hazardous.

Given the string of controversies surrounding the 19-year-old this season, this change will likely be dubbed the "Verstappen rule."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/37741994

Five years later, and it seems Verstappen hasn't learned much.
He'll learn eventually, though. Once he hits another wall.

To summarize, the rule was introduced specifically because of Max Verstappen himself, following complaints from several drivers who claimed he was putting both himself and others at risk. To this day, his approach remains largely unchanged; it is either a collision or no overtake at all—unless someone else decides to be just as uncompromising. And when that happens, Max is always the one pointing the finger.
I have nothing against Max personally, lest anyone misinterpret me; my issue is simply that certain actions seem to slip under the radar.

Rebecca Parker said:I’m just hoping that at the next race, Lewis gives Max some payback for that shove. Then we can finally sit back and listen to Horner claim everything was totally fine or just another "racing incident"... you know, like how he was acting after the race today? 🙂

Hamilton isn't even in a position to retaliate against Max because he's trailing too far behind in the standings. That explains why he was playing defense today, trying to stay clear of Max, who seemed to catch him with a bit of a nudge after missing a turn.

Unlike Hamilton, Max can afford to go all-in. He has nothing to lose, other than perhaps his current lead.

Max does have one weakness, though. He got lucky in that opening duel with Bottas simply because Bottas had nothing to gain either. I’m not entirely convinced that kind of reckless attitude toward someone like Bottas will serve him well; over the next three races, Bottas might just decide to say no.

fadedwalker18 said:Lewis will never be in the same league as Senna.
He simply capitalized on the hybrid era with Mercedes. That’s the whole story. Any driver with his talent from that generation would have done the exact same thing in his shoes. We're talking about guys like Alonso, Vettel, and Raikkonen. The man is talented and lucky, certainly, but that's where it ends.

He can apply for a Brazilian passport, wave the flag, or rack up five more titles, but he will never *be* Senna. There was only one Ayrton Senna—irreplaceable, untouchable, and beyond comparison.

So, sir (or whoever), Lewis should head back to the UK and keep up the act there. Or better yet, go to Hollywood and film a biopic about himself as the greatest F1 driver to ever live.

Legends like Jim Clark, Juan Manuel Fangio, and Jackie Stewart are in a class of their own for him... he only caught Michael Schumacher on paper.

And honestly, I'm still wondering how he didn't beat Rosberg in 2016. He must have taken a nap during one part of the season, if I recall correctly...

I don't recall Hamilton saying he *is* Senna, just that Senna was his inspiration. Even his helmet design early on was a nod to him. Americans love him, and that's that. Everything else is just a product of your obsession with hating Hamilton, which is frankly unhealthy. It creates unnecessary tension and isn't particularly kind, goodness knows.

I know how it goes. I used to be exactly like you.🤦

0.2mm? Honestly, how is anyone supposed to measure something that fine using that little spatula they use to scrape everything along? Ha ha.

stormybadger8 said:What the hell kind of 0.2mm are we even talking about? 🤣
First off, Toto is lying through his teeth about that being only 2mm long and wide. Second, you added it to the fifth one, so now we’re looking at 0.2mm. 🤣
I mean, even Toto Wolff couldn't tell you exactly how much we're talking about here. You can't exactly measure that kind of thing with a ruler or a micrometer.
And they don't even have the wing; it’s still sitting there in impound at NASCAR. 🙂

The footage makes it obvious. We’re talking centimeters here, maybe even more. The gauge is slicing right through the wing and moving up and down like that. There is zero chance this is just a millimeter issue. 🙂
Look, the gauge isn't just there for show or to be pushed through haphazardly. It actually has to withstand some serious pressure so it doesn't blow out the other side. And don't get it twisted—it’s not measuring millimeters here. It’s binary: it either passes or it fails. That's it. 🙂

Look, it’s pretty obvious we're talking about some kind of design flaw, a mechanical failure, or whatever else you want to call it...
I'm not even going to touch the whole "DRS opening wider on one side" debate. The rules are what they are. I honestly don't get why Toto Wolff is making such a massive scene over it. It's ridiculous.
Same kid, same story with the fuel. Doesn't matter if you're missing a whole liter or just a tiny fraction at the end of the race—if you're under the limit, you're disqualified. Period.

Just read this, man 🙂, I didn't make any of this up

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/992193...lton-wing-saga

Regardless, whether it was 0.1 or 1cm, they earned the penalty and served it.

gentlecobra23 said:The whole weekend felt like one giant mockery of Mercedes-Benz.
First, they rolled out with an illegal car—basically a "if we get caught, we get caught" gamble. Luckily for the rest of the civilized world, they didn't get away with it, though they still managed to dodge a bullet. Instead of the standard disqualification or starting from the pits, which is what should have happened, they got to start on the grid for the sprint race. That basically gave them an easy 25 laps to fix the mess they made the day before, leaving them with much less to deal with during the actual race. If it weren't for the fact that they exploited every single loophole imaginable to manipulate the weekend, Max Verstappen wouldn't have been overtaken for first place.
They pushed that engine to its absolute limit, and there's a good chance it won't survive all three remaining races. But then again, they don't need it to; they only need two. If they manage to win the next two with that machine, they can just bring back the engine from Mexico—which I doubt is actually broken, they're probably just saving it for the finale, assuming Max Verstappen's Honda even makes it to the checkered flag.
Lewis Hamilton’s whole "f...k them all" attitude, the constant calls to degrade him because of his race, and the way they're mocking the Brazilian flag by comparing him to little Ayrton Senna... it was disgusting to watch. It’s just bad for the sport.
Max made a mistake today when he was forced off the track, but honestly, it would be a joke if they penalized him for it, especially considering everything Lewis Hamilton has done to him all season while walking away with nothing more than ridiculous, meaningless penalties...

Even Red Bull Racing doesn't buy the idea that Mercedes-Benz intentionally used an illegal wing—mind you, we're talking about a 0.2mm difference—but of course, we have these forum geniuses here to explain it all to us.🙏

stormybadger8 said:Give me a break...
What we actually need is an objective neutral who isn't busy rooting for Lewis Hamilton.😁 🤣

Look, man, I just commented that Max Verstappen did everything within his power, honestly.

I suppose you’d prefer if Max had kept that 21-point lead instead of everything falling apart due to that "accidental" failure to turn the wheel and those "unintentional" braking issues before the turns.

Personally, I am more interested in the duel between Alonso and Vettel, even though his own teammate is doing a massive job trying to sabotage him at every turn.

I am pulling for Charles Leclerc, man.

fadedwalker18 said:Way to go, Max.
You truly gave it everything you had out there.

He absolutely did everything he could. First, he squeezed Valtteri Bottas out of the way, then he dealt with Lewis Hamilton, and then there was that little pinball action on the straightaway. It’s quite a mystery how he didn't walk away with a five-second penalty. 🙂

But that is just racing; let's leave it at that. I suspect that shoving Lewis Hamilton won't simply vanish without notice. There will be plenty of chatter about it once the race concludes, and most likely, it will end up being discussed in a boardroom as well.😁

graniteharbor502 said:Wasn't it Bottas who snagged the fastest lap in Mexico? Or Pierre Gasly back in Canada? 🙄
Does one really believe the fastest lap is a definitive metric of overall dominance? Even if we were to grant it some level of significance, one could argue that Mercedes remains incredibly quick, given that they have secured that distinction nine times already this season.

To add to what Jason Campbell70 was saying, Red Bull took the fastest lap without any strategic pit stops for fresh rubber or anything similar; they did it just like everyone else, running on their initial set of tires over 24 laps, specifically on the hard compound.
Not even the driver who climbed from 20th to 5th could manage a faster pace.

So, Red Bull secured the fastest lap, and no, it wasn't done in clean air or through some lucky circumstances or repeated aerodynamic distortions.

Linda Peterson43 said:So, was Sergio Perez actually the better driver there? 🙂
Is Perez showing more promise? 🙂

I'm asking on behalf of a friend....🙂

Tell your friend he’s overreaching with that comparison. Perez is sitting in a car that is easily a full second faster than Vettel’s, let alone compared to the backmarkers he’s slicing through.

Vettel simply couldn't manage it; he tried to force the pace until he spun out. Even Stroll couldn't mount an attack against a Williams in that exact same machinery.

Is Perez a good driver? Certainly, given he's in F1. But once they paired him up next to Max Verstappen, his perceived talent level took a hit.

vividwalker13 said:

And how exactly would you tell those folks at Monza to clear out just because a Formula 3 race is coming up?🙂

Or were you only thinking about this specific race?

The crew over at Monza wouldn't even have the nerve to stop a race, let alone award points after just two laps under the SC.

In my view, the race being halted isn't actually the issue; what’s truly debatable is the decision to award points based on an incomplete race.

Let’s set aside whether they should have raced at all. The real question is why we are even talking about points—what is the logic behind this ridiculous scoring system? Someone ought to be held accountable here, because even half a point can be the difference between finishing up or down a position in the final standings.