Posts by mellowtiger83

@Tibi

My position is clear: I am against any additional or retroactive penalties. The decision was made, and it should stand.

Whatever nonsense Jean Todt is rambling about is his own business. Now they're acting as if they were too lenient before? Please.

Ad acta. That's it. Any further move is just stupidity and completely pointless.

If they didn't know how to react on the spot, then there is no need to react now. And now we hear they might consider last year's Whitening profanity—which was supposedly forgiven because Sebastian Vettel apologized—but apparently, it isn't anymore.

neonfox65 said:This is peak 😂

What am I even supposed to write back 🙂? I have to play by their rules—all this talk about how the British want to take down the German, and before long, it’ll be 🙂.

Wait, hold on—so Jean Todt isn't French!? Right, of course! It's a three-way war; everyone against the German!! Everyone is just out there sucking up to Lewis Hamilton, and they'd probably find a way to screw over Sebastian Vettel if they could. 😁

And then there's Daniel Ricciardo, who just sat there watching it all unfold; he's part of that same hostile crowd because he actually had the nerve to defend Lewis Hamilton. It's like the USA teamed up with the British and the French.🙂.

Roger Wright94 said:Unfortunately, I fear this didn't end when the race did.
The experts have had their say. Now, it’s all down to politics. And that is where things truly turn sour.

Reading posts on American sites lately, it often feels like they're still stuck in World War 2. sick. I suspect they're being driven by a desperate attachment to the perennial pride of McLaren—which currently holds a "garbage" rating—so they find solace in a team that is (at least by ownership and management) German. Consider the sheer absurdity of that.
Out of pure helplessness regarding their own trash, they cheer for the German squad simply because their star driver runs there, and his main (and only) rival happens to be a German.
And that German belongs (to the Germans, naturally) to the axis of evil that has caused them so much pain and suffering over the last 10 or 20 years. That axis of evil consists (of course, the Germans) of Michael Schumacher, Nico Rosberg, and Sebastian Vettel.

Good grief, you all know what Vettel did. What business do the damn British or Germans have with this? Even Jean Todt—the very same man who pushed both the German and Italian teams—has sharply condemned the move.

What is this talk of a world war? Vettel reacted to the driver in a way that was incredibly sad, ugly, and uncalled for. But he isn't innocent—damn well not innocent. You can hear yourselves; it's not his first time, nor his second, but this time he finally crossed the line.

If Lewis Hamilton had done that, he would be dragged through the mud here without question. There is no debate; some things must have a limit. One has to speak up.

Casey Hill57 said:I suppose this footage makes everything crystal clear.
The guy is crooked and covered in grease. Even the birds on the branch can see his intentions here. He thought he could bait Sergio Perez into hitting Sebastian Vettel (who would have been an easy target), but he didn't expect such a reaction from the German. The guy just snapped like popcorn and reacted purely on impulse. In my view, this situation actually helped Vettel; because of all this, he drove like a maniac afterward, and if they had raced for a few more days, he wouldn't have lost his spot to that idiot behind him. We all know about the practice issues beforehand, and he was running on a heavily worn engine (US Grand Prix). He was clawing at the asphalt after that.
As for Ham, he was a supak and he will remain a supak. From the moment he appeared, he looked like one massive, spoiled brat who was handed an incredible opportunity right out of the gate.

All in all, that fake image on the podium was so grotesque that I was just waiting for a moment like this. Knowing both drivers and the stakes involved, it had to happen—and good riddance!

America, you're next!

Are you sane? What were you trying to say there? That Lewis wanted those guys behind him to attack Sebastian Vettel? Of course he did, it's plain as day. And now what? Is that an excuse for Vettel not to watch his gap? 99.9% of drivers would do the exact same thing.

Now suddenly Lewis is the guilty one. @Tibi is bringing up highways and 180km/h. For God's sake, Vettel isn't capable of slowing down from 60 to 50 km/h in an F1 car; he's either screaming around or I'm delusional, thinking he can just hit the gas whenever he wants while the car in front dictates the pace.

Maybe we should ask Lewis in the future to just let Vettel pass so this horde of fanboys piling up here can be satisfied.

A driver who calls other drivers scumbags, flips them the bird, curses the race leadership, and intentionally mocks Lewis's supposed moral high ground... no, it's not happening, kid.

What happened next? Oh right, we've reached the point where Mercedes is suddenly a second faster than Ferrari, even though Vettel was consistently beating Bottas in that one-second-faster car. Good grief, I bow to him; even Ayrton Senna wouldn't have managed that in the wet. Turn off the TV; we know who the greatest is in history.

Perhaps I am watching some parallel F1 in a different dimension. I don't know what the hell is wrong with me; maybe I'm an idiot, crazy, or hallucinating.

They declare me insane for seeing what's happening.

Suddenly Vettel is the victim, Mercedes is being favored, and Ferrari is a second slower, while the guy who hits others and mocks the FIA's "moral high ground" is fine.

And Lewis is just your typical rap-style trash that the FIA favors, who happens to be a second-rate driver, a non-talent, and someone who stands no chance against Vettel even when driving a car that is a second faster.

Bravo, please, just keep going. Please, continue, because clearly I'm just your average Lewis fanboy while you lot are the realists and the F1 experts.

rustyridge10 said:I ran into this while at work and quickly set it up. Generally speaking, looking at this data, it's clear there was no sudden braking or brake testing on Hamilton's part.

It all makes sense now 🙂. Basically, Sebastian Vettel is responsible for that first collision, precisely what Daniel Ricciardo pointed out, which the FIA has since confirmed 👍

@Tibi

Daniel Ricciardo has spoken his piece. Having been right there in the thick of it himself, he’s making it clear: Lewis Hamilton isn't the one at fault here. It was Vettel who was simply being clumsy and careless.

I find myself wondering why nobody else is pointing the finger at Hamilton. Why was it just Vettel who ended up in that mess?

That isn't even the core issue. The real problem lies entirely in how Vettel reacted to the situation.

Now, look, I am a total Hamilton fanboy🙂, so you can't take my word as gospel!

But seriously, where has Vettel been hiding from the press? I haven't seen a single word regarding his take on whether that move against his opponent was intentional. Has he suddenly lost his ability to speak?

The only ones getting special treatment here are Ferrari, thanks to that absolute joke of a penalty!

http://www.planetf1.com/news/ricciar...efore-he-acts/

Here is what Rick had to say. He took aim at Lewis Hamilton's supposed hesitation—which, let's be honest, isn't even happening—as well as Sebastian Vettel's lack of caution.

Richard Ross11 said:Now Kimi is going to ask how much it costs to just buy out the rest of the season... 🙂

$25,000 per race! Picking dim, maybe Kimi can negotiate a bulk discount. 😁🎉

graniteharbor502 said:Precisely. Entirely pointless. And because of that sheer lack of foresight, Sebastian Vettel let a win slip right through his fingers.

What victory? He didn't stand a chance at winning, period. Unless you're referring to that Hamilton-esque collar—that head protection that might have handed him the win—but then the FIA went ahead and gifted him a spot ahead of Lewis Hamilton at the end of the race. Unprecedented.

stormybadger8 said:Sebastian Vettel didn't even claim he was hit a second time anywhere🤣
And that should be enough for you to conclude there was no contact at all. If there isn't a single trace on the internet of Vettel stating he collided with Lewis Hamilton, then the factual reality is simply that it didn't happen.😁

Ultimately, the contact was so negligible one could practically argue it never occurred...
the way Jacques Villeneuve described it—just some minor contact at 6.2 miles/h...

And of course, questioning whether his driving was dangerous. Honestly, what kind of "dangerous" are we talking about? A little touch, wheel to wheel, at 6.2 miles/h, causing absolutely zero damage to either car. These machines are covered in wings so fragile they might snap just from a strong gust of wind...

In any normal situation on a public road, nobody would even bother calling the police. You can imagine me waiting around for two hours for some officer to file a report over zero damages
and regarding any potential compensation, the payout would be nonexistent. It’s just two hours of wasted life.
The only thing you'd get out of calling the cops for something like this is a bill or a fine for wasting their time, which I'd only do for the sake of a joke...

What does it matter if it was dangerous or not? What does the speed have to do with anything?

If you can't see the point, it's incredibly unsportsmanlike and rude, and it leaves lasting consequences. Because, naturally, while it wasn't dangerous, it was still ugly and foolish.

neonfox65 said:And yeah, Tibi, did Sebastian Vettel claim anywhere in his defense that he hit him by accident? No. Therefore, it was intentional.

It was obviously intentional; there's really nothing to debate here. Honestly, why even bother arguing with Tibi? It’s a lost cause when you can see they're surrounded by a pack of mindless fanboys.

Karma is a relentless thing, and I suspect Vettel's karma will catch up to him eventually. I noticed you're also going back and forth with him regarding Max Verstappen—by the way, that's just as much of a waste of time. Max will prove himself on his own merit.

So, we’ve pretty much established by now that the FIA is playing favorites with Mercedes, even if Vettel was handed a little gift from the FIA with that whole ridiculous penalty nonsense 🙂.

We also concluded that Hamilton is clearly at fault, having intentionally slammed into Vettel by throwing it into reverse 🙂.

These Vettel fanboys are absolutely exhausting. I’ve even reached the enlightened realization that there’s a massive difference between an accident and doing something on purpose—truly a breakthrough moment for me
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Vettel acted like a complete idiot. He didn't show any class or dignity whatsoever; instead, he just proved his mental state is completely unstable.

And this isn't even the first time either!

jadeseal7 said:By the way: Kimi is losing his mind demanding they give him his steering wheel back 🤣🤣

https://streamable.com/80zn3

Good grief, Kimi. 🙏

I honestly didn't even grasp what happened there. How on earth did they forget to return his steering wheel? 🤣🙏

jadeseal7 said:Regardless of all the incidents and whose side everyone is taking.

This was one hell of a race. 🙏

Exactly, Sound of Silence. We should just cement it into the calendar permanently. 👍

jadeseal7 said:The way Ricciardo handles his braking points is something else. I mean, what is that guy actually doing? 🙏🙏🙏

It’s just baffling to me why Valtteri Bottas didn't get penalized.

Perhaps there was grounds for a penalty, though that is purely speculative. Having reviewed the footage several times, it appears to be a standard racing incident. One driver was on the inside, the other on the outside, an overly tight corner, sheer stubbornness, and simply not enough time to react.

stormybadger8 said:Is there even a harsher penalty than the one Sebastian Vettel received?
As far as I am aware, there isn't. So, where is the issue? 🤷

Granted, we can agree that Lewis Hamilton deserved a penalty, but as someone already pointed out, it looks like a blatant setup by NASCAR. They just happened to place them right next to each other and then issued the penalty/order to pit...

The core issue here is that neither driver seems to think they did anything wrong at all...
The reality is that Hamilton was certainly playing the villain and earned his penalty, and Sebastian Vettel clearly lacks self-control when he loses his temper and earned his too...

Regarding that specific trait, I will admit Fernando Alonso is significantly more composed than Sebastian Vettel. He would have deadpanned over the team radio, "Hamilton tried to kill me, kill me!!!"
"Good grief, I barely survived that brake testing," or "I feel like I've been reborn." Then Charlie would have slapped Hamilton with a penalty just for that kind of talk...
But instead, the idiot Sebastian lost it. Instead of just taking the hit, staying quiet, and subsequently securing the win and a solid 15-point lead, he went waving his arms around and managed to mess things up as thoroughly as humanly possible...

Do you think Sebastian Vettel could have anticipated Hamilton slowing down? Yes. Was it confirmed via telemetry that there was no brake testing? Yes.

Does Sebastian need to calm down? Yes.

Don't tell me he couldn't have seen it coming. But the fool has to go. He has to. Where are you going? Just stop.

I understand his frustration, especially seeing Sergio Perez right on his tail while Lewis Hamilton wanders around aimlessly, but friend, calm down.

stormybadger8 said:If he wanted to, he could have, but not on a straightaway—not while navigating a corner or slamming the brakes instead of hitting the gas on the exit...
The FIA’s primary excuse for Lewis Hamilton is that he exhibited similarly erratic behavior during the first restart...

I am genuinely curious if they will permit Sebastian Vettel to just ram Lewis Hamilton at the next race, using the logic that since he did it last time, it is now perfectly acceptable and presumably expected behavior.😁

😁

I actually agree that Lewis Hamilton should have faced a penalty, perhaps a drive-through or maybe a five-second time penalty, but honestly, my friend, Sebastian Vettel deserved to be held in the pits for about a full minute for what he did.

neonfox65 said:That’s why they should just adopt the NASCAR or IndyCar rule where there aren't any brake tests before the restart.

The reason NASCAR doesn't have brakes is because they're practically useless, especially on an oval🤣 🤣.

If Hamilton were leading a NASCAR pack, the entire field would be in a wreck the moment he even thought about touching the brake pedal🙂 😁