Posts by Kate Phillips40

I’ve been checking this thread for a few days now, and I find myself facing the same situation with my father, who is nearing the end.

My dad has fought an incredible battle to reach 74. He’s been a paraplegic for 22 years, 100% disabled, had his right kidney removed three years ago, and deals with all the typical complications like pressure sores and constant pain. Three years ago, a CT scan found a tiny 3mm meningioma, which we thought was benign since most of them are. Well, looking at today's CT, things have changed: the tumor grew to 7cm, crushed the surrounding tissue, and caused massive edema. Dad can't speak, can't swallow, and struggles to breathe because of the congestion. Thankfully, he isn't in pain since he's on Tramadol, plus he's taking Phenobarbital for seizures and restlessness.

He’s a heavy man, and honestly—as much as it hurts to say—I hope this doesn't last too long. The tumor can't be operated on because he's just too weak to survive general anesthesia.

We’re doing everything we can to make him comfortable, and I’m just praying that God helps him pass soon so he won't have to suffer anymore.

I just got home from the hospital after spending eight hours on tests and consultations. I’m feeling pretty medicated on anxiolytics, and thinking of you all makes things a little easier.

May God help us all get through these traumas.

We aren't giving up. 🙂

rowdyhawk10 said:Let me get straight to the point, in order...

He actually managed to tear me apart this time. I suppose I’ll have to keep your post in mind for next time. 😉

Some people feel a sense of closure once they see a topic is truly settled, but that logic doesn't really apply here since the Dervish Lodge hasn't even hit fifty posts yet. Besides, I suspect you’re actually feeling a bit bummed about seeing it shut down, aren't you? And look, I get it—you have a soft spot for the Dervish, and so do I. But imagine if this worked that way: if every single person who felt full or satisfied just decided to demand their thread be locked every day. Would this Forum even function? In any public discussion, you have to expect a variety of perspectives; otherwise, what is the point of having a conversation at all? Maybe I’d consider closing it for a few days just for your sake, given how much you adore the Dervish, but I have a feeling he'd be back asking to reopen it before we knew it. this I won't bother commenting on the post itself, but I suppose that single entry is the only one among everything written here that offers any actual justification for closing her out for a while. Still, even then, those reasons don't seem quite sufficient. As far as the Dervish is concerned, it's probably for the best that his input isn't taken to heart.

Understood. It's all set. 🙂

Let me explain my reasoning here. First off, this serves as a commemoration for a certain forum member who seems obsessed with making crude jokes about people he wouldn't dare say those things to in real life. Second, Gary Morales3 has caused quite a stir at the Dervish Lodge lately with his recent posts—though I suspect he might eventually realize the mess he's made, especially once reality hits him hard enough that he feels like checking into a rehab clinic or just cutting off his internet service for the week. Finally, the Dervish wants everything that's been happening to settle down a bit, which is a fair point, I suppose. He wants to close the thread for a while so the online community can recharge, which also makes sense. However, I think he's mistaken in assuming that running away from reality actually solves anything. You have to face these things head-on. carrying! And let’s just imagine for a second that someone decides to shut down the actual Dervish Lodge on their own whim? Occasionally, a place might close for renovations or an expansion... but even then, one ought to find a better location to move to while the repairs are being handled.

Well, I'm looking for the key too, but I can't seem to find it. 😉

I don't believe you're aiming at my honor, Dervish. That simply cannot be true. Nor am I aiming at the idea that I've trampled yours. That can't be true either. So, I suppose showing respect in a situation like this wouldn't involve listening to you, but rather precisely not listening to you. I see that clearly, by God. I only hope you and everyone else sees it too. Besides, if you wanted to close this, you could have just sent me a private message stating your intentions and the reasons behind them. I know it's difficult for you, but the internet isn't meant for people without empathy or those lacking restraint, and such people aren't really worth grieving over.

Even if I haven't brought anyone else (which I have), at least I've tried to be useful here as a moderator. 🤷 And I'm not sure why it's even an argument whether I brought someone or not?! 😕 I moderate the Religion sub-forum. Besides, the years of your life invested (and mine in this forum, don't forget that) are two more reasons why the Dervish Lodge shouldn't be closed. And I know you don't actually want it closed either. Even if we did close it, you'd probably be asking to reopen it before long.

And yet, many people feel just as strongly about keeping it open. ☕ Most of them, actually! Especially some of the people held most dear here. You can see that for yourself. On the other hand, even those who claim they want it closed (including you) don't truly mean it, which seems pretty obvious too.

You're conflating two different things (much like Benjamin Foster is doing below). The Banquet was the thread of a banned user (who earned that ban a long time ago; we only tolerated him for so long out of pure goodwill... specifically Ego's goodwill!). Humanside started the "Banquet of Giving" and managed it the whole time, so we figured once he stopped posting, the reason for the thread to exist vanished—if he had simply logged off or stopped writing, we wouldn't be closing it, but since he's banned, it's different.

rowdyhawk10 is part of the six-person team serving as caretakers for the Dervish Lodge. 🙂

Those are reasons to keep the thread open, not reasons to close it.🙂

Just leave Ashik out of it since he’s Ashik. And honestly, most of the other usernames... probably aren't looking for a shutdown either.

Whoa, maybe take a step back there. ☕ Just one fact: FOR MONTHS NOW... meaning at least a hundred days, perhaps even half a year, NONE of you active participants (those who want the shutdown) have filed a SINGLE report regarding those inappropriate posts that would supposedly make "the Dervish Lodge become something we would never want to be associated with." Meanwhile, those who actually care about the lodge and were filing reports are now all against the shutdown. (You can count on that.) That tells you everything. So, if things have gone off course, perhaps it's time to set sail and fix what you can.

I might be wrong to respond to you, but heir... 🙄 My opinion is that there isn't a valid reason here. For starters, it's partially manipulated (by his own admission, northernrider9 here) and mostly fueled by bitterness over Gary Morales3's recent posts. While I don't necessarily agree with how Gary Morales3 wrote (regarding the lack of hospitality), I suspect even that might ultimately lead to something positive.

Which ones? Name them and drop the links. If someone suggests closing things down, we’ll only take that into consideration if there's actual evidence to back it up. objective One should consider the underlying reasons and whether the benefits of closing—or perhaps the potential damage caused by staying open—would ultimately outweigh the costs. In this specific situation, however, I suppose that doesn't really change anything.

What exactly constitutes "rudeness" when it comes to shutting down the Mejdan betrayal? Is it about that one image, or something else entirely?

You can't even begin to compare these two. steeleagle2 isn't a permanent fixture, whereas Human is most likely one (unless the administration decides to scrap the whole permanent status thing). If that actually happens, the Mejdan Odaja thread will inevitably resurface. And when it does, I'll be making sure the first post is mine, where I'll use some rather vivid descriptions to recount just how cozy and comfortable it felt sitting in Ego's backside.

Go ahead, list them. The one and only. Could someone share an example of a time when they experienced someone acting like a dictator toward them? I’d also be interested to hear from steeleagle2 on whether he’s ever dealt with that kind of authoritarian behavior personally. Honestly, if anyone else here has a story, please feel free to speak up. In my view....

That’s all from me for tonight. Peace Peace to everyone.

Hey, you don't have to roll your eyes at me. It's not like I'm some extremist or anything!😁

All jokes aside, I’m glad you took the time to answer everyone on what you felt was actually relevant. It makes you a better moderator and a better human.👍

rowdyhawk10 said:Let me get straight to the point, in order...

He actually managed to tear me apart this time. I suppose I’ll have to keep your post in mind for next time. 😉

Some people feel a sense of closure once they see a topic is truly settled, but that logic doesn't really apply here since the Dervish Lodge hasn't even hit fifty posts yet. Besides, I suspect you’re actually feeling a bit bummed about seeing it shut down, aren't you? And look, I get it—you have a soft spot for the Dervish, and so do I. But imagine if this worked that way: if every single person who felt full or satisfied just decided to demand their thread be locked every day. Would this Forum even function? In any public discussion, you have to expect a variety of perspectives; otherwise, what is the point of having a conversation at all? Maybe I’d consider closing it for a few days just for your sake, given how much you adore the Dervish, but I have a feeling he'd be back asking to reopen it before we knew it. this I won't bother commenting on the post itself, but I suppose that single entry is the only one among everything written here that offers any actual justification for closing her out for a while. Still, even then, those reasons don't seem quite sufficient. As far as the Dervish is concerned, it's probably for the best that his input isn't taken to heart.

Understood. It's all set. 🙂

Let me explain my reasoning here. First off, this serves as a commemoration for a certain forum member who seems obsessed with making crude jokes about people he wouldn't dare say those things to in real life. Second, Gary Morales3 has caused quite a stir at the Dervish Lodge lately with his recent posts—though I suspect he might eventually realize the mess he's made, especially once reality hits him hard enough that he feels like checking into a rehab clinic or just cutting off his internet service for the week. Finally, the Dervish wants everything that's been happening to settle down a bit, which is a fair point, I suppose. He wants to close the thread for a while so the online community can recharge, which also makes sense. However, I think he's mistaken in assuming that running away from reality actually solves anything. You have to face these things head-on. carrying! And let’s just imagine for a second that someone decides to shut down the actual Dervish Lodge on their own whim? Occasionally, a place might close for renovations or an expansion... but even then, one ought to find a better location to move to while the repairs are being handled.

Well, I'm looking for the key too, but I can't seem to find it. 😉

I don't believe you're aiming at my honor, Dervish. That simply cannot be true. Nor am I aiming at the idea that I've trampled yours. That can't be true either. So, I suppose showing respect in a situation like this wouldn't involve listening to you, but rather precisely not listening to you. I see that clearly, by God. I only hope you and everyone else sees it too. Besides, if you wanted to close this, you could have just sent me a private message stating your intentions and the reasons behind them. I know it's difficult for you, but the internet isn't meant for people without empathy or those lacking restraint, and such people aren't really worth grieving over.

Even if I haven't brought anyone else (which I have), at least I've tried to be useful here as a moderator. 🤷 And I'm not sure why it's even an argument whether I brought someone or not?! 😕 I moderate the Religion sub-forum. Besides, the years of your life invested (and mine in this forum, don't forget that) are two more reasons why the Dervish Lodge shouldn't be closed. And I know you don't actually want it closed either. Even if we did close it, you'd probably be asking to reopen it before long.

And yet, many people feel just as strongly about keeping it open. ☕ Most of them, actually! Especially some of the people held most dear here. You can see that for yourself. On the other hand, even those who claim they want it closed (including you) don't truly mean it, which seems pretty obvious too.

You're conflating two different things (much like Benjamin Foster is doing below). The Banquet was the thread of a banned user (who earned that ban a long time ago; we only tolerated him for so long out of pure goodwill... specifically Ego's goodwill!). Humanside started the "Banquet of Giving" and managed it the whole time, so we figured once he stopped posting, the reason for the thread to exist vanished—if he had simply logged off or stopped writing, we wouldn't be closing it, but since he's banned, it's different.

rowdyhawk10 is part of the six-person team serving as caretakers for the Dervish Lodge. 🙂

Those are reasons to keep the thread open, not reasons to close it.🙂

Just leave Ashik out of it since he’s Ashik. And honestly, most of the other usernames... probably aren't looking for a shutdown either.

Whoa, maybe take a step back there. ☕ Just one fact: FOR MONTHS NOW... meaning at least a hundred days, perhaps even half a year, NONE of you active participants (those who want the shutdown) have filed a SINGLE report regarding those inappropriate posts that would supposedly make "the Dervish Lodge become something we would never want to be associated with." Meanwhile, those who actually care about the lodge and were filing reports are now all against the shutdown. (You can count on that.) That tells you everything. So, if things have gone off course, perhaps it's time to set sail and fix what you can.

I might be wrong to respond to you, but heir... 🙄 My opinion is that there isn't a valid reason here. For starters, it's partially manipulated (by his own admission, northernrider9 here) and mostly fueled by bitterness over Gary Morales3's recent posts. While I don't necessarily agree with how Gary Morales3 wrote (regarding the lack of hospitality), I suspect even that might ultimately lead to something positive.

Which ones? Name them and drop the links. If someone suggests closing things down, we’ll only take that into consideration if there's actual evidence to back it up. objective One should consider the underlying reasons and whether the benefits of closing—or perhaps the potential damage caused by staying open—would ultimately outweigh the costs. In this specific situation, however, I suppose that doesn't really change anything.

What exactly constitutes "rudeness" when it comes to shutting down the Mejdan betrayal? Is it about that one image, or something else entirely?

You can't even begin to compare these two. steeleagle2 isn't a permanent fixture, whereas Human is most likely one (unless the administration decides to scrap the whole permanent status thing). If that actually happens, the Mejdan Odaja thread will inevitably resurface. And when it does, I'll be making sure the first post is mine, where I'll use some rather vivid descriptions to recount just how cozy and comfortable it felt sitting in Ego's backside.

Go ahead, list them. The one and only. Could someone share an example of a time when they experienced someone acting like a dictator toward them? I’d also be interested to hear from steeleagle2 on whether he’s ever dealt with that kind of authoritarian behavior personally. Honestly, if anyone else here has a story, please feel free to speak up. In my view....

That’s all from me for tonight. Peace Peace to everyone.

Honestly, I’m not a fan of how the Bank handles its dictionary or how they treat people on the forum, regardless of the situation. rowdyhawk10 is making things pretty rough on the Religion forum again.

I know I went a bit overboard with you last time, but I truly believe everything should be handled politely and civilly, whether we agree on everything or not. That said, I can't stand constant insults or disrespect, even when it comes to Humaninside, who definitely crossed the line with those recent posts directed at you. I get that he had his reasons and was frustrated with how you moderate things, but it’s just not our style to be rude. We should always try to find an alternative solution that works for everyone involved.

Everything can be settled between humans without any insults or rudeness, just with a little goodwill and patience.

rowdyhawk10 said:Let me get straight to the point, in order...

He actually managed to tear me apart this time. I suppose I’ll have to keep your post in mind for next time. 😉

Some people feel a sense of closure once they see a topic is truly settled, but that logic doesn't really apply here since the Dervish Lodge hasn't even hit fifty posts yet. Besides, I suspect you’re actually feeling a bit bummed about seeing it shut down, aren't you? And look, I get it—you have a soft spot for the Dervish, and so do I. But imagine if this worked that way: if every single person who felt full or satisfied just decided to demand their thread be locked every day. Would this Forum even function? In any public discussion, you have to expect a variety of perspectives; otherwise, what is the point of having a conversation at all? Maybe I’d consider closing it for a few days just for your sake, given how much you adore the Dervish, but I have a feeling he'd be back asking to reopen it before we knew it. this I won't bother commenting on the post itself, but I suppose that single entry is the only one among everything written here that offers any actual justification for closing her out for a while. Still, even then, those reasons don't seem quite sufficient. As far as the Dervish is concerned, it's probably for the best that his input isn't taken to heart.

Understood. It's all set. 🙂

Let me explain my reasoning here. First off, this serves as a commemoration for a certain forum member who seems obsessed with making crude jokes about people he wouldn't dare say those things to in real life. Second, Gary Morales3 has caused quite a stir at the Dervish Lodge lately with his recent posts—though I suspect he might eventually realize the mess he's made, especially once reality hits him hard enough that he feels like checking into a rehab clinic or just cutting off his internet service for the week. Finally, the Dervish wants everything that's been happening to settle down a bit, which is a fair point, I suppose. He wants to close the thread for a while so the online community can recharge, which also makes sense. However, I think he's mistaken in assuming that running away from reality actually solves anything. You have to face these things head-on. carrying! And let’s just imagine for a second that someone decides to shut down the actual Dervish Lodge on their own whim? Occasionally, a place might close for renovations or an expansion... but even then, one ought to find a better location to move to while the repairs are being handled.

Well, I'm looking for the key too, but I can't seem to find it. 😉

I don't believe you're aiming at my honor, Dervish. That simply cannot be true. Nor am I aiming at the idea that I've trampled yours. That can't be true either. So, I suppose showing respect in a situation like this wouldn't involve listening to you, but rather precisely not listening to you. I see that clearly, by God. I only hope you and everyone else sees it too. Besides, if you wanted to close this, you could have just sent me a private message stating your intentions and the reasons behind them. I know it's difficult for you, but the internet isn't meant for people without empathy or those lacking restraint, and such people aren't really worth grieving over.

Even if I haven't brought anyone else (which I have), at least I've tried to be useful here as a moderator. 🤷 And I'm not sure why it's even an argument whether I brought someone or not?! 😕 I moderate the Religion sub-forum. Besides, the years of your life invested (and mine in this forum, don't forget that) are two more reasons why the Dervish Lodge shouldn't be closed. And I know you don't actually want it closed either. Even if we did close it, you'd probably be asking to reopen it before long.

And yet, many people feel just as strongly about keeping it open. ☕ Most of them, actually! Especially some of the people held most dear here. You can see that for yourself. On the other hand, even those who claim they want it closed (including you) don't truly mean it, which seems pretty obvious too.

You're conflating two different things (much like Benjamin Foster is doing below). The Banquet was the thread of a banned user (who earned that ban a long time ago; we only tolerated him for so long out of pure goodwill... specifically Ego's goodwill!). Humanside started the "Banquet of Giving" and managed it the whole time, so we figured once he stopped posting, the reason for the thread to exist vanished—if he had simply logged off or stopped writing, we wouldn't be closing it, but since he's banned, it's different.

rowdyhawk10 is part of the six-person team serving as caretakers for the Dervish Lodge. 🙂

Those are reasons to keep the thread open, not reasons to close it.🙂

Just leave Ashik out of it since he’s Ashik. And honestly, most of the other usernames... probably aren't looking for a shutdown either.

Whoa, maybe take a step back there. ☕ Just one fact: FOR MONTHS NOW... meaning at least a hundred days, perhaps even half a year, NONE of you active participants (those who want the shutdown) have filed a SINGLE report regarding those inappropriate posts that would supposedly make "the Dervish Lodge become something we would never want to be associated with." Meanwhile, those who actually care about the lodge and were filing reports are now all against the shutdown. (You can count on that.) That tells you everything. So, if things have gone off course, perhaps it's time to set sail and fix what you can.

I might be wrong to respond to you, but heir... 🙄 My opinion is that there isn't a valid reason here. For starters, it's partially manipulated (by his own admission, northernrider9 here) and mostly fueled by bitterness over Gary Morales3's recent posts. While I don't necessarily agree with how Gary Morales3 wrote (regarding the lack of hospitality), I suspect even that might ultimately lead to something positive.

Which ones? Name them and drop the links. If someone suggests closing things down, we’ll only take that into consideration if there's actual evidence to back it up. objective One should consider the underlying reasons and whether the benefits of closing—or perhaps the potential damage caused by staying open—would ultimately outweigh the costs. In this specific situation, however, I suppose that doesn't really change anything.

What exactly constitutes "rudeness" when it comes to shutting down the Mejdan betrayal? Is it about that one image, or something else entirely?

You can't even begin to compare these two. steeleagle2 isn't a permanent fixture, whereas Human is most likely one (unless the administration decides to scrap the whole permanent status thing). If that actually happens, the Mejdan Odaja thread will inevitably resurface. And when it does, I'll be making sure the first post is mine, where I'll use some rather vivid descriptions to recount just how cozy and comfortable it felt sitting in Ego's backside.

Go ahead, list them. The one and only. Could someone share an example of a time when they experienced someone acting like a dictator toward them? I’d also be interested to hear from steeleagle2 on whether he’s ever dealt with that kind of authoritarian behavior personally. Honestly, if anyone else here has a story, please feel free to speak up. In my view....

That’s all from me for tonight. Peace Peace to everyone.

It might not be written in the rulebook, but let's be real—does a request like this carry any weight when it comes from a long-time member who’s helped make this forum what it is today? They've contributed so much to its success, yet they're just starting out on this specific topic.

Man, don't you think Dervish deserves at least a little grace here? Given the circumstances, he should get exactly what he's asking for—just lock his thread for a bit and call it a day.

That’s why I’m backing him. I think he has plenty of solid reasons to go after what he's looking for.

Also, I really hate that rule where they lock up threads about banned users once they're gone. But hey, it is what it is.

Peace.

I'm with steeleagle2 on this one. He made a solid point earlier, and besides, as the thread starter, he's got every right to ask for it to be closed for now.

Peace to everyone.

rowdyhawk10 said:1. I'm not ignoring the forum; you are. I am still posting here.

2. It should be perfectly clear to you (and to Dervish too) that users have every right to complain when they feel wronged by unfair moderation. After all, there is an entire subforum dedicated to this, right here: Complaints and Grievances isn't there?

3. Because of that, you didn't need to boycott the Religion section (which feels like a childish tantrum); you could have just kept posting while simultaneously putting pressure on the complaints section regarding my mistakes. Nobody ever stopped you from doing that.

4. Furthermore, the administration isn't blind to moderator injustice when it happens. They might be slow sometimes, but they do step in frequently to correct us moderators, and occasionally even replace us. So, this behavior seems to me like nothing more than the kind of tantrum you'd see in a preschool.

5. Looking at those four points, it’s pretty obvious—you guys have likely run out of ideas. The weight of responsibility has exhausted you. It's hard to endure having to tell someone they are a spiritual killer of their child, or a sinner, or a homosexual. Perhaps you were just intimidated by the proximity and brightness of success, now that people are actually starting to love Islam.

6. I don't find anyone's boycott joyful, and I actually feel bad about all this. But I imagine you and a few other lobbyists (like Jason) are certainly enjoying this and getting a bit carried away... otherwise, you wouldn't be doing this, and you would realize that Islam is more important than any single individual, even if the person in the moderator seat were Yazid himself. There have been those who dealt with him and still came out proud.

Therefore, Scott Nguyen2, you are only here for one reason—to lobby, as Bradley Davis33 put it in a gentler way—for a specific clique. And here is why:

7. YOU are boycotting the forum for a completely irrelevant reason because you aren't even complaining about anything where my moderation personally affected you! Have you ever been personally wronged here? Has my moderation ever caused you injustice? Of course not. If it has, tell me when and where (though you won't; you'll probably just moan about how "it hurts to see injustice toward the brothers, so you feel obligated...").

8. This is quite important: you are just like the others lobbying here. In fact, it’s becoming almost tragicomic. Just as you are lobbying for members of the "modern Salafi movement," like this little crony here , Dervish is complaining about the FMN forum users—then Kenneth Peterson5 complains about the Black-white group that likes to post in Sandjak cities—then boldgull19 complains about Dervish (my apologies to him, if he cares, for mentioning it). Yet none of them can point to a single instance where my moderation personally inflicted injustice upon them! How is that possible?

That's all I have to say, and I am definitely stepping out of this thread, unless one of the admins decides to step in. You all feel free to continue in unison... as far as I'm concerned, I'm done with this topic. I'm just sorry that Jack Wood43 hasn't joined in yet to tell me I'm a homosexual, just so the group feels complete.. 👋

Man, Dervish... he's become forgettable. Unlike you, Scott Nguyen2. I told him via DM not too long ago: Calm down, because a day will come when you'll make fools of yourselves because of what you're doing now. And then you'll wish for rowdyhawk10, even if he were rising from the mud.

It's obvious. You've been united by your own lack of direction rather than the malice of one man (anyone with eyes can look at points two, three, and four above). And as for those who want to sleep—let them sleep! Life certainly won't stay asleep forever. I'm heading out. You can either wake up, return to the forum, and move past this childishness, or just keep sleeping.

Man, Dervish... he's become forgettable. Unlike you, Scott Nguyen2. I told him via DM not too long ago: Calm down, because a day will come when you'll make fools of yourselves because of what you're doing now. And then you'll wish for rowdyhawk10, even if he were rising from the mud.

It's obvious. You've been united by your own lack of direction rather than the malice of one man (anyone with eyes can look at points two, three, and four above). And as for those who want to sleep—let them sleep! Life certainly won't stay asleep forever. I'm heading out. You can either wake up, return to the forum, and move past this childishness, or just keep sleeping.

Why on earth would a boycott make me happy? Especially when I've tried everything possible to work things out with you through the Democratic Party!
I really thought we were finally making progress on this, until you started labeling certain people as part of "terrorist organizations" and throwing bones to the pure. Pure lies. I'm here. Ready to go. Lies just don't fly with me. I'm about to prove to you that they're totally unjustified.

rowdyhawk10 said:1. I'm not ignoring the forum; you are. I am still posting here.

2. It should be perfectly clear to you (and to Dervish too) that users have every right to complain when they feel wronged by unfair moderation. After all, there is an entire subforum dedicated to this, right here: Complaints and Grievances isn't there?

3. Because of that, you didn't need to boycott the Religion section (which feels like a childish tantrum); you could have just kept posting while simultaneously putting pressure on the complaints section regarding my mistakes. Nobody ever stopped you from doing that.

4. Furthermore, the administration isn't blind to moderator injustice when it happens. They might be slow sometimes, but they do step in frequently to correct us moderators, and occasionally even replace us. So, this behavior seems to me like nothing more than the kind of tantrum you'd see in a preschool.

5. Looking at those four points, it’s pretty obvious—you guys have likely run out of ideas. The weight of responsibility has exhausted you. It's hard to endure having to tell someone they are a spiritual killer of their child, or a sinner, or a homosexual. Perhaps you were just intimidated by the proximity and brightness of success, now that people are actually starting to love Islam.

6. I don't find anyone's boycott joyful, and I actually feel bad about all this. But I imagine you and a few other lobbyists (like Jason) are certainly enjoying this and getting a bit carried away... otherwise, you wouldn't be doing this, and you would realize that Islam is more important than any single individual, even if the person in the moderator seat were Yazid himself. There have been those who dealt with him and still came out proud.

Therefore, Scott Nguyen2, you are only here for one reason—to lobby, as Bradley Davis33 put it in a gentler way—for a specific clique. And here is why:

7. YOU are boycotting the forum for a completely irrelevant reason because you aren't even complaining about anything where my moderation personally affected you! Have you ever been personally wronged here? Has my moderation ever caused you injustice? Of course not. If it has, tell me when and where (though you won't; you'll probably just moan about how "it hurts to see injustice toward the brothers, so you feel obligated...").

8. This is quite important: you are just like the others lobbying here. In fact, it’s becoming almost tragicomic. Just as you are lobbying for members of the "modern Salafi movement," like this little crony here , Dervish is complaining about the FMN forum users—then Kenneth Peterson5 complains about the Black-white group that likes to post in Sandjak cities—then boldgull19 complains about Dervish (my apologies to him, if he cares, for mentioning it). Yet none of them can point to a single instance where my moderation personally inflicted injustice upon them! How is that possible?

That's all I have to say, and I am definitely stepping out of this thread, unless one of the admins decides to step in. You all feel free to continue in unison... as far as I'm concerned, I'm done with this topic. I'm just sorry that Jack Wood43 hasn't joined in yet to tell me I'm a homosexual, just so the group feels complete.. 👋

Man, Dervish... he's become forgettable. Unlike you, Scott Nguyen2. I told him via DM not too long ago: Calm down, because a day will come when you'll make fools of yourselves because of what you're doing now. And then you'll wish for rowdyhawk10, even if he were rising from the mud.

It's obvious. You've been united by your own lack of direction rather than the malice of one man (anyone with eyes can look at points two, three, and four above). And as for those who want to sleep—let them sleep! Life certainly won't stay asleep forever. I'm heading out. You can either wake up, return to the forum, and move past this childishness, or just keep sleeping.

Man, Dervish... he's become forgettable. Unlike you, Scott Nguyen2. I told him via DM not too long ago: Calm down, because a day will come when you'll make fools of yourselves because of what you're doing now. And then you'll wish for rowdyhawk10, even if he were rising from the mud.

It's obvious. You've been united by your own lack of direction rather than the malice of one man (anyone with eyes can look at points two, three, and four above). And as for those who want to sleep—let them sleep! Life certainly won't stay asleep forever. I'm heading out. You can either wake up, return to the forum, and move past this childishness, or just keep sleeping.

When did I ever say those guys over at FMN and Dervo were just "lost Sufis"?
I’m asking these two brothers to just post my accusations directly here if I’ve ever directed them at them on this forum or even through the Democratic Party!

They won't find any evidence of that from rowdyhawk10 because I never said anything like that, nor would I. My personal stance on the matter is one thing, and I have every right to my opinion, but I'd never resort to those kinds of labels or call anyone out like that.

Man, aren't you afraid of God doing things like this?
Aren't you worried about leading people astray? You’re out here shouting at the top of your lungs about "building up" when all you're actually doing is tearing things down.
Is this really how you build something?

rowdyhawk10 said:1. I'm not ignoring the forum; you are. I am still posting here.

2. It should be perfectly clear to you (and to Dervish too) that users have every right to complain when they feel wronged by unfair moderation. After all, there is an entire subforum dedicated to this, right here: Complaints and Grievances isn't there?

3. Because of that, you didn't need to boycott the Religion section (which feels like a childish tantrum); you could have just kept posting while simultaneously putting pressure on the complaints section regarding my mistakes. Nobody ever stopped you from doing that.

4. Furthermore, the administration isn't blind to moderator injustice when it happens. They might be slow sometimes, but they do step in frequently to correct us moderators, and occasionally even replace us. So, this behavior seems to me like nothing more than the kind of tantrum you'd see in a preschool.

5. Looking at those four points, it’s pretty obvious—you guys have likely run out of ideas. The weight of responsibility has exhausted you. It's hard to endure having to tell someone they are a spiritual killer of their child, or a sinner, or a homosexual. Perhaps you were just intimidated by the proximity and brightness of success, now that people are actually starting to love Islam.

6. I don't find anyone's boycott joyful, and I actually feel bad about all this. But I imagine you and a few other lobbyists (like Jason) are certainly enjoying this and getting a bit carried away... otherwise, you wouldn't be doing this, and you would realize that Islam is more important than any single individual, even if the person in the moderator seat were Yazid himself. There have been those who dealt with him and still came out proud.

Therefore, Scott Nguyen2, you are only here for one reason—to lobby, as Bradley Davis33 put it in a gentler way—for a specific clique. And here is why:

7. YOU are boycotting the forum for a completely irrelevant reason because you aren't even complaining about anything where my moderation personally affected you! Have you ever been personally wronged here? Has my moderation ever caused you injustice? Of course not. If it has, tell me when and where (though you won't; you'll probably just moan about how "it hurts to see injustice toward the brothers, so you feel obligated...").

8. This is quite important: you are just like the others lobbying here. In fact, it’s becoming almost tragicomic. Just as you are lobbying for members of the "modern Salafi movement," like this little crony here , Dervish is complaining about the FMN forum users—then Kenneth Peterson5 complains about the Black-white group that likes to post in Sandjak cities—then boldgull19 complains about Dervish (my apologies to him, if he cares, for mentioning it). Yet none of them can point to a single instance where my moderation personally inflicted injustice upon them! How is that possible?

That's all I have to say, and I am definitely stepping out of this thread, unless one of the admins decides to step in. You all feel free to continue in unison... as far as I'm concerned, I'm done with this topic. I'm just sorry that Jack Wood43 hasn't joined in yet to tell me I'm a homosexual, just so the group feels complete.. 👋

Man, Dervish... he's become forgettable. Unlike you, Scott Nguyen2. I told him via DM not too long ago: Calm down, because a day will come when you'll make fools of yourselves because of what you're doing now. And then you'll wish for rowdyhawk10, even if he were rising from the mud.

It's obvious. You've been united by your own lack of direction rather than the malice of one man (anyone with eyes can look at points two, three, and four above). And as for those who want to sleep—let them sleep! Life certainly won't stay asleep forever. I'm heading out. You can either wake up, return to the forum, and move past this childishness, or just keep sleeping.

Man, Dervish... he's become forgettable. Unlike you, Scott Nguyen2. I told him via DM not too long ago: Calm down, because a day will come when you'll make fools of yourselves because of what you're doing now. And then you'll wish for rowdyhawk10, even if he were rising from the mud.

It's obvious. You've been united by your own lack of direction rather than the malice of one man (anyone with eyes can look at points two, three, and four above). And as for those who want to sleep—let them sleep! Life certainly won't stay asleep forever. I'm heading out. You can either wake up, return to the forum, and move past this childishness, or just keep sleeping.

😂😂😂
Yeah, that’s pretty interesting, but honestly, I wouldn't expect anything less from someone like you.👍

Is there any real "glory" in letting people disrespect God by throwing around "fuck you," only for you to make excuses and pretend it isn't an insult?
So you think you're out here representing Islam, right?
How exactly?
By claiming you can be "half Christian, half Jewish, or Buddhist" within the faith? You're just twisting clear Sharia rules to push your own little reformist ideas on the community. It’s no wonder your own brothers turned their backs on you—I’d say they were totally justified.
You might try teaching uneducated people this watered-down version of the faith, but even they should know that real religion isn't taught by some musician playing reformer.

Remember what the admin of the American Islamic forum told you:

"I don't learn my faith from locksmiths, roofers, carpenters, or musicians. Neither I nor anyone with actual sense would ever do that.">

He's absolutely right.

You should be ashamed of yourself, and you'll have to answer for all of this, inshallah.

That's all I have to say to you. Don't even bother replying, you hypocrite!👎>

rowdyhawk10 said:They aren't going to find a post like yours. They won't give it to you. You’re calling out someone who isn't even listening, and you're writing to someone who doesn't understand you—yet you still insist on playing the victim through trolling. Just another one of those people who acts tough when... In the mass.It’s possible they don't even understand you at all. Not Dervish, nor Jack Wood43... They just don't. They don't want to. Understood.

ruggedwolf, there's no point in calling out someone who isn't listening. I guess maybe you and I should just step away from this discussion altogether? 🙄 Don't you see there's just no real drive to get past this? It feels like we're just circling the drain instead. I honestly don't see what good comes from dragging this out any longer. To be fair, I'm only still here because you are, but it’s taking up a massive amount of my time and peace of mind. Can we please just walk away from this discussion once and for all? Peace.

Please read the bolded part and tell me how that could be anything other than trolling.

You said:

"It’s possible he doesn't even understand you..."

But it's also possible I *do* understand him, right?

You’re just trolling rowdyhawk10 here.

I get that ruggedwolf was right to say that action doesn't take someone out of the faith right now, but I told her to check with the Islamic Community of America (since she doesn't trust my word, which is fair) because persisting in what is forbidden can actually lead to leaving the faith entirely.
That’s where we should stop and end the debate. It's clearly commanded in many Sahih traditions. I'm not making excuses for harsh words, but I'm not making excuses for dragging out an argument like this either—especially from a sister. We all know what happens when arguments go this way, exactly like what happened with Dervish and his crew.

I stand by what I said. rowdyhawk10, think about your trolling and all this psychoanalysis that doesn't apply to me, even though you're penalizing others for it on the forum.

This is a perfect example of why you can't be an objective moderator for any member.

ruggedwolf said:Kate Phillips40
Honestly, you’re the one who should be feeling embarrassed here!
Did you even bother reading what I actually wrote? Where did I ever claim that something forbidden was permitted? Just go ahead—try and find a single post of mine where I advocated for anything prohibited. Find me one post on this topic where I insulted anyone. My actual stance was simply that marrying a non-Muslim is forbidden (and no, before you ask, I am not married to a non-Muslim)—that it is a major sin, yes, but that such an act doesn't take a person out of the faith, which aligns perfectly with the position held by the Islamic Community. After I shared that view, people started attacking me for it, not to mention the direct and indirect insults hurled at Sister Sunnah, who is married to a Catholic. How can you lie about this so easily?!

There—take it and look for yourself! You’re trying to make a fool out of me and convince me of something that just isn't true. Just look at the reactions from those watching from the sidelines at the end of the thread—what did they see? Did they see me insulting anyone or anyone else? Just read it!

ruggedwolf, I also made that point very clear. If you keep pushing someone to do things that are forbidden, they’ll eventually hit a breaking point and walk away from their faith..
So you're just... Partially. You were right when you said that specific act doesn't kick someone out of the faith right now—that’s true. But my point above is also true, unless you want me to start listing all my arguments for it?

Sister, the way you're arguing with the brothers so aggressively is honestly beyond reproach. Couldn't you have just handled this in a private message instead of making such a scene? Every argument that leads to unrest and fighting should be shut down by all Muslims, especially in public spaces like a Reddit thread.

Don't get me wrong, but this really isn't how an American sister should act. It’s also not how any brother in the faith should behave—publicly pushing for an argument or trying to force a debate that could have easily been handled in a private message.

That’s all from me. I'd just ask that you don't keep bringing up the same topic with me here on Reddit, otherwise we're just going to stir up even more trouble together.
If you want to dive deeper into this, check out my Reddit thread here:Get to know Islam.

That’s how we could actually settle some of these debates in a much more serious way.

Hey everyone! Hope you're all doing great.

rowdyhawk10 said:It’s a shame. This was someone who managed to put up exactly 172,000 posts in less than 10 months. 🙄

Yeah, that’s pretty interesting.
But honestly, I think you’d feel just as much "sadness" if I had personally written those 172,000 posts. Look at all the other users here who have posted thousands of times—doing way more work than dozens of other Americans combined—yet you aren't "mourning" them the same way, right?🤷

And regarding your little call-out about responsibility when you say:

"11. And about insulting Scott Nguyen2, Kate Phillips40, and the rest of this fan club, of course they won't say a word. It's important to step on rowdyhawk10 just to cover up Dervish's insult to you: "

-that was strictly a Dervish situation, which is why I'm not boycotting anything here. But if you're personally curious about my take on it, and why I didn't say anything regarding that unfortunate situation and the improper behavior from a woman like ruggedwolf, I think it's pointless to even comment on it.

If scholars have clearly stated that something like that (an interfaith marriage involving a Muslim woman) is forbidden, and there are arguments straight from the Islamic Science, is it really standard practice for a Muslim woman to argue so aggressively with brothers on a forum like this? It's not certain, and you're playing the "tough guy" whenever you want at the expense of Islam, acting like you can face God while I supposedly can't, rowdyhawk10—even if it were my own sister writing it. If someone persists in a heavy sin that is undeniably forbidden, they inevitably reach a point where they leave the faith. That's clear to any educated Muslim. There's a reason people say:

“To err is human, but to persist in error is the work of the devil.”

Don't try to claim I'm targeting ruggedwolf directly, because she didn't explicitly say she was in an interfaith marriage or anything. I am strictly talking about anyone who would stubbornly stick to something they know is a major sin and is forbidden by the consensus of the scholars.

I'm also not defending the harsh words that user received from that other lady (a housewife, I think), because it would have been much better if her sister had sent her a private message with good intentions to explain that this isn't how a Muslim sister behaves—stubbornly arguing with so many brothers just to cause chaos and stir up anger. She didn't just insist on making trouble over this point; she tried to do the same thing with other topics on the Islam 114 thread. Honestly, I stopped reading her posts after that.

The fact that you support these outbursts tells me you don't actually care about discussing Islam correctly here. If people want to accept it, fine; if not, they can leave—it's better that way for them.

If I were in ruggedwolf's shoes, I wouldn't be getting banned for 15 days just to come back and keep rambling. I'd be too embarrassed to ever show my face on this Reddit again.

Well, you caught me on a technicality, so I'll tell you.😉

I figured I’d drop a few more thoughts here, which might actually be my last ones on this Reddit thread.
I've been lurking here for years, though I only recently became an active member. I remember sitting down with a coffee years ago, opening this site hoping to find some actual wisdom and constructive talk from our brothers, especially Scott Nguyen2. They’ve truly done so much good here, and plenty of people have benefited from their knowledge. May God reward them for all the effort they've put in over the years to share our honorable faith with others. Amen!

But looking at the situation today and everything that’s gone down, I’m honestly at a loss for words. I don't even know what to think or do anymore...
I just want to ask you directly, rowdyhawk10:

"Why are you doing all this, brother?"

Every time we settle one issue, you go and create another one—like right now, making these totally baseless and unproven accusations against certain brothers and labeling them 'terrorists.'

Those are heavy words, man. Those are serious public accusations you're throwing around. Black & White has every right to take legal action against you now for these claims made against him and other users on this platform. Do you even know the professional definition of 'terrorism'? Or any of the other terms you toss around so carelessly? Scott Nguyen2 pointed out perfectly that 'radicalism' is one thing, while 'terrorism' is something else entirely. I stand by everything he wrote, as well as most of what Black-White said.

I’m not going to waste any more breath on what you and Nicole James are doing. You’ve turned this Religion PDF into something that looks like anything except what its title suggests. Nicole James and her atheist crowd are basically running an 'Anonymous Atheists Inc.' through this PDF, aggressively targeting believers of all denominations. They dismiss and insult everyone using a vocabulary filled with vulgar and rude language. Now, you even have members on this same PDF using handles like 'dick sheep' and stuff like that...

No decent believer or reasonable person should bother posting here anymore. Honestly, a preschooler would probably do a better job moderating this PDF than you guys.
You reap what you sow.😉

In the end, I’m joining the brothers in the boycott. Until everyone comes back, I won't be writing another single word on this Reddit.

My advice to you, rowdyhawk10: either do a complete 180 and change your ways, or just resign. It's the only way to stop this tyranny being forced on the Americans who visit this site.

Our 'sacrifice' might not even make a difference, but let it stand as a cry for justice from all of us, so those who come after us can see what happened.

Peace to my brothers, and best wishes to the rest from your former member, Jasmin.

I’ve been thinking about this whole situation for a while now, and I’ve realized that acting this way won't get us anywhere. I agree with most of you, but I truly believe we can fix everything just by staying active and participating here on Reddit, rather than leaving or trying to hide behind burner accounts. If I decided to boycott or stay silent, or if I put someone like Kate Phillips40 in "quarantine" while secretly posting under a fake name, I'd just be lying to myself. I’d much rather stand my ground using my one real username—even if people criticize me because they don't quite get 😁—because that feels more honest. It's better than pretending I stopped posting when I actually haven't. 🤷
Sure, there are moments of injustice and plenty of issues, but I think we can clear them up the same way they started: through conversation.
In this thread, Dervish criticized how Nicole James handles things, and others have pointed fingers at rowdyhawk10. Honestly, if the moderators are willing, it would be great if they stepped up here so we can clear the air. It looks like rowdyhawk10 is already open to making compromises, and I’m sure Nicole James will show up soon too. Plus, we have private messages, so if the mods messed up, let's just handle it privately.
I really miss Scott Nguyen2 and Dervish because your posts are what make this community what it is. Come back, everyone. Don't let anyone push you to the point where you give up after all this time.

I'm with Kenneth Peterson5 on this:

"Fix what you can and move on."

Since you mentioned it, Kenneth Peterson5, I just want to clarify one thing you said regarding the Quran, specifically when you noted:

"As far as I know, there's only one Quran containing the thoughts and advice of the Prophet Muhammad..."

Actually, the Quran doesn't contain Muhammad's personal thoughts or advice; it contains the direct words of God, which Muhammad was commanded to deliver to all of humanity.
Just a small correction, but it matters. 👍

I also hope Nicole James and rowdyhawk10 show some good faith here so we can find a positive way forward.

Come back, we miss you guys!

Peace and all the best. 👍