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Request to merge "Tiki" thread into "Religion" PDF
Started by Tyler Scott3 · · 👁 9 views · 85 replies
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#2 ·
Tyler Scott3 said:Peace be upon you.
I’d like to ask the admins to close this thread.
But why? We were actually getting into the real stuff here—tearing down dogmas, challenging authority, even dismantling our own egos. Gary Morales3 pointed out a really fascinating phenomenon worth diving into: those darker, more deceptive sides of how we act and think.
I mean, it's like that old saying about needing a long enough lever to move the world. For the most part, the internet isn't just a tool for stripping us down; it’s clearly a way to cleanse us, too. It's going to start being used for that purpose pretty soon, once people realize that's an option. The FBI is just the vanguard in that regard.🙂
#3 ·
Tyler Scott3 said:Peace be upon you.
I’d like to ask the admins to close this thread.
I’m honestly feeling pretty blue about it because it feels like this thread has become such a huge part of our lives—our shared love for honoring God and everything else that flows from Him. 😍 , my biggest heartache and restlessness lately has just been that I haven't been able to feel that full, sweet sense of connection I used to get whenever I read these posts; I'm worried it might be something within me, perhaps just a specific season of life I need to navigate through...
It truly had such a beautiful effect on renewing one's spiritual thoughts, and for me personally, well, let's just say it was something special. 🙂
It was such a wonderful experience and left a lasting mark on my soul...
I tried my absolute best to steer things back toward how they originally felt to me, but clearly, everyone reacts differently, and I think I’m just a little too small and unseasoned to direct something like this, especially since so much is out of our hands and I couldn't quite shoulder the weight of being that bold.
I thought about pointing out certain members, but then I remembered the sting of jealousy and pride that the devil tries to slip in, so I decided to just keep my mouth shut 😁, but really, anyone can see themselves in these words. When someone shares their heart through writing, they're essentially allowing a piece of their true self to be "read" by others; if the reader recognizes that quality or has always felt an unspoken connection to those traits, they end up inviting those qualities into themselves in an even more beautiful way. It’s a delicate balance, though, so a post is often a double-edged sword, and people will eagerly dive into it to nourish their own hearts. But there is one universal truth that acts as a perfect compass: "Do not do to others what you wouldn't want them to do to you," and that's a free gift available to everyone.
This place was probably a magical corner for honoring God, and it's nicer if it stays tucked away in our hearts as part of our spiritual awakening and growth; hopefully, when grace blooms again, we'll see something like this repeat itself, which is really what keeps the whole spiritual vibe of this forum alive.
The impact of the Tiki had such a miraculous effect on me; whenever I reached out to someone, I’d find myself checking my own intentions first, realizing my own hypocrisy, and trying to patch up my flaws. It felt like there were holes everywhere, leaving me both embarrassed and overjoyed (though I won't dwell on that too much... I'm not usually one to open up, but something about this hit me harder, mostly because I realized not everyone sees things the same way, and people interpret sincerity in all sorts of ways). Ultimately, the Judge is what matters, because He was present here alongside my fragile soul. I wanted to highlight the essence of this inner beauty that was built under the name of the Tiki as an outward expression. Some of the pillars (the members) were strong and held everything up, while others crumbled right at the start, and even a few big ones helped support the rest 🙂. In reality, nothing holds this together but the One who wants to use us—people He has never even met in person—to serve His purpose. What a wonderful Friend and Helper He is. 😍 )))
peace 🙂,
The secret was really in the mysticism of not seeking fulfillment where it doesn't belong, and instead finding that stimulating fulfillment where we truly need that internal nudge to wake up or fix ourselves, no matter who we are or where we are. That had a universally amazing significance. I used to spend hours reflecting on things, even though we are all strangers to one another, but lately, I've been sensing vibes of arrogance and excessive lecturing. At the end of the day, a person is just a person, and humanity is defined by the small things. In the search for myself and my other "selves," I discovered the love of my life. And if I hadn't found that love in others and in His constancy toward me, I would have drifted far too far away....
I know, I really do know, you’ll end up searching every single corner for those keys later on 😍, 👍, but honestly, it’s only when you’re left with absolutely nothing that you finally grasp what things were actually worth. It was a wise choice, and since His decision is always the right one, we're on the right path 🙂
People always use emojis as a way to express themselves—you know, as little signs of comfort, beauty, and peace, or maybe just to vent some bitterness and annoyance—but for this author, who loves obsessing over those tiny little details, it doesn't really matter much... I guess it's just a sign that time is running out 😁
#4 ·
Donna Cook48 said:I’m honestly feeling pretty blue about it because it feels like this thread has become such a huge part of our lives—our shared love for honoring God and everything else that flows from Him. 😍 , my biggest heartache and restlessness lately has just been that I haven't been able to feel that full, sweet sense of connection I used to get whenever I read these posts; I'm worried it might be something within me, perhaps just a specific season of life I need to navigate through...
It truly had such a beautiful effect on renewing one's spiritual thoughts, and for me personally, well, let's just say it was something special. 🙂
It was such a wonderful experience and left a lasting mark on my soul...
I tried my absolute best to steer things back toward how they originally felt to me, but clearly, everyone reacts differently, and I think I’m just a little too small and unseasoned to direct something like this, especially since so much is out of our hands and I couldn't quite shoulder the weight of being that bold.
I thought about pointing out certain members, but then I remembered the sting of jealousy and pride that the devil tries to slip in, so I decided to just keep my mouth shut 😁, but really, anyone can see themselves in these words. When someone shares their heart through writing, they're essentially allowing a piece of their true self to be "read" by others; if the reader recognizes that quality or has always felt an unspoken connection to those traits, they end up inviting those qualities into themselves in an even more beautiful way. It’s a delicate balance, though, so a post is often a double-edged sword, and people will eagerly dive into it to nourish their own hearts. But there is one universal truth that acts as a perfect compass: "Do not do to others what you wouldn't want them to do to you," and that's a free gift available to everyone.
This place was probably a magical corner for honoring God, and it's nicer if it stays tucked away in our hearts as part of our spiritual awakening and growth; hopefully, when grace blooms again, we'll see something like this repeat itself, which is really what keeps the whole spiritual vibe of this forum alive.
The impact of the Tiki had such a miraculous effect on me; whenever I reached out to someone, I’d find myself checking my own intentions first, realizing my own hypocrisy, and trying to patch up my flaws. It felt like there were holes everywhere, leaving me both embarrassed and overjoyed (though I won't dwell on that too much... I'm not usually one to open up, but something about this hit me harder, mostly because I realized not everyone sees things the same way, and people interpret sincerity in all sorts of ways). Ultimately, the Judge is what matters, because He was present here alongside my fragile soul. I wanted to highlight the essence of this inner beauty that was built under the name of the Tiki as an outward expression. Some of the pillars (the members) were strong and held everything up, while others crumbled right at the start, and even a few big ones helped support the rest 🙂. In reality, nothing holds this together but the One who wants to use us—people He has never even met in person—to serve His purpose. What a wonderful Friend and Helper He is. 😍 )))
peace 🙂,
The secret was really in the mysticism of not seeking fulfillment where it doesn't belong, and instead finding that stimulating fulfillment where we truly need that internal nudge to wake up or fix ourselves, no matter who we are or where we are. That had a universally amazing significance. I used to spend hours reflecting on things, even though we are all strangers to one another, but lately, I've been sensing vibes of arrogance and excessive lecturing. At the end of the day, a person is just a person, and humanity is defined by the small things. In the search for myself and my other "selves," I discovered the love of my life. And if I hadn't found that love in others and in His constancy toward me, I would have drifted far too far away....
I know, I really do know, you’ll end up searching every single corner for those keys later on 😍, 👍, but honestly, it’s only when you’re left with absolutely nothing that you finally grasp what things were actually worth. It was a wise choice, and since His decision is always the right one, we're on the right path 🙂
People always use emojis as a way to express themselves—you know, as little signs of comfort, beauty, and peace, or maybe just to vent some bitterness and annoyance—but for this author, who loves obsessing over those tiny little details, it doesn't really matter much... I guess it's just a sign that time is running out 😁
Well, rowdyhawk10 can always go start some new "circle," some mystical gathering, while those spiritual types hang out with their little buddies.
Preach, Dervish
Mahmuz greetings to all followers of the Guidance
#6 ·
rowdyhawk10, are you really closing all these active threads? Are you trying to ensure there isn't a single Muslim left on this forum? Most Muslims hardly ever start new discussions; they just stick to these few existing ones...
#7 ·
I would personally prefer if Tiki remained, but one has to respect the decision of those in charge. Unless, of course, Tyler Scott3 has had a change of heart. Peace be upon you.
#8 ·
Living in the world, but not of it
While traveling toward Mecca, Ibn Arabi passed through Tunis. He’d heard a story about a holy man living there that he simply had to meet. This holy man was just a simple Fisherman, living in a modest little shack, catching exactly three fish every single day—no more, no less. He’d give the meat to the poor and cook only the heads for himself, day after day, year after year.
Ibn Arabi was struck by this simplicity. The Fisherman asked him, "Will you be passing through Cairo on your way?" Ibn Arabi nodded, and the man made a request: "My mentor lives in Cairo. Please, visit him and ask what advice he might have for me. You see, I’ve spent all these years praying, fasting, and living humbly, yet I feel like I haven't made any spiritual progress at all. Please, ask him for guidance."
Keeping his word, once Ibn Arabi arrived in Cairo, he asked around for the mentor. "See that massive, glittering mansion on the hill? That’s where the mentor lives." When Ibn Arabi knocked on the palace doors, he was received with incredible hospitality. They led him into lavishly decorated halls, offered him fine food, and asked him to wait while the mentor went to visit the President. It felt a bit strange for a Sufi, honestly; such luxuries are usually avoided because they can become a veil between a person and God—just another attachment to this material world.
After a while, Ibn Arabi stood up and looked out the window. He saw the mentor riding a magnificent Arabian horse, wrapped in a fur coat, wearing a grand turban studded with jewels, and sporting diamond rings on his hands. He greeted Ibn Arabi warmly and welcomed him with genuine kindness. He was a truly lovely, polite man. Once they sat down, they began to talk. "You have a student in Tunis," Ibn Arabi noted. "Yes, I know," the man replied. "He is seeking spiritual guidance from you." The mentor then added, "Tell my student this: if he remains so tethered to this world, he will never make any spiritual headway."
The message left Ibn Arabi feeling quite conflicted. On his journey back, however, he stopped in Tunis to visit the Fisherman. The man immediately asked what the mentor had said. Though it felt a little awkward, Ibn Arabi told him, "Well, your mentor lives in quite grand style, with a lot of pomp and circumstance." The man sighed, "I know... and what was his message?" Ibn Arabi answered, "He said that as long as you are so attached to the world, you won't get anywhere."
The man wept and wept and wept.
"My mentor is right," he finally whispered. "Every day, as I give the meat of those three fish away to the people, my heart goes with them. Every day, I find myself wishing I could keep the whole fish for myself instead of just the heads. Meanwhile, my mentor lives in immense wealth and luxury, yet he doesn't care one bit. Whether he has it or not, it doesn't touch him."
Why Dervish?
While traveling toward Mecca, Ibn Arabi passed through Tunis. He’d heard a story about a holy man living there that he simply had to meet. This holy man was just a simple Fisherman, living in a modest little shack, catching exactly three fish every single day—no more, no less. He’d give the meat to the poor and cook only the heads for himself, day after day, year after year.
Ibn Arabi was struck by this simplicity. The Fisherman asked him, "Will you be passing through Cairo on your way?" Ibn Arabi nodded, and the man made a request: "My mentor lives in Cairo. Please, visit him and ask what advice he might have for me. You see, I’ve spent all these years praying, fasting, and living humbly, yet I feel like I haven't made any spiritual progress at all. Please, ask him for guidance."
Keeping his word, once Ibn Arabi arrived in Cairo, he asked around for the mentor. "See that massive, glittering mansion on the hill? That’s where the mentor lives." When Ibn Arabi knocked on the palace doors, he was received with incredible hospitality. They led him into lavishly decorated halls, offered him fine food, and asked him to wait while the mentor went to visit the President. It felt a bit strange for a Sufi, honestly; such luxuries are usually avoided because they can become a veil between a person and God—just another attachment to this material world.
After a while, Ibn Arabi stood up and looked out the window. He saw the mentor riding a magnificent Arabian horse, wrapped in a fur coat, wearing a grand turban studded with jewels, and sporting diamond rings on his hands. He greeted Ibn Arabi warmly and welcomed him with genuine kindness. He was a truly lovely, polite man. Once they sat down, they began to talk. "You have a student in Tunis," Ibn Arabi noted. "Yes, I know," the man replied. "He is seeking spiritual guidance from you." The mentor then added, "Tell my student this: if he remains so tethered to this world, he will never make any spiritual headway."
The message left Ibn Arabi feeling quite conflicted. On his journey back, however, he stopped in Tunis to visit the Fisherman. The man immediately asked what the mentor had said. Though it felt a little awkward, Ibn Arabi told him, "Well, your mentor lives in quite grand style, with a lot of pomp and circumstance." The man sighed, "I know... and what was his message?" Ibn Arabi answered, "He said that as long as you are so attached to the world, you won't get anywhere."
The man wept and wept and wept.
"My mentor is right," he finally whispered. "Every day, as I give the meat of those three fish away to the people, my heart goes with them. Every day, I find myself wishing I could keep the whole fish for myself instead of just the heads. Meanwhile, my mentor lives in immense wealth and luxury, yet he doesn't care one bit. Whether he has it or not, it doesn't touch him."
Why Dervish?
#9 ·
rowdyhawk10 said:
Alright, does anyone else want to chip in with some closing thoughts?
Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I’ll meet you there. When The Soul Lies down in that grass, the world is too full to talk about. Ideas, language, even the phrase ‘each other’, doesn’t make any sense.
Rumi
Or maybe just a little something about Sufism and how I found my way into it...
And finally (one more from Rumi, since he's in my signature):
Beneath this water-wheel of stars
Your sleep Has been heavy.
Observe that heaviness and beware
For Life is Fragile and Quick.
Heart, aim yourself at Love!
friend, discover the Friend!
Sending greetings to Tiki...
#10 ·
I’m not entirely sure what’s going on here... but I really wanted to reach out and check in with you all
Peace be upon you all
Peace be upon you all
#11 ·
wearyhawk222 said:I’m not entirely sure what’s going on here... but I really wanted to reach out and check in with you all
Peace be upon you all
And peace be upon you too!
#12 ·
wearyhawk222 said:I’m not entirely sure what’s going on here... but I really wanted to reach out and check in with you all
Peace be upon you all
And peace be upon you too.🙂
#13 ·
The traveler comes looking for rest—only to find the Tiki locked up!
Total nonsense.
And here, unlike anywhere else, you could actually read some beautiful, smart, and useful stuff.
It’s a shame.😢
Where are we supposed to meet up and talk now?
They shut down our Dervish retreat.
Check out what the preacher is saying: http://www.sulejmanbugari.com/
He even has that sitting right at the top! It’s basically his headline.
Total nonsense.
And here, unlike anywhere else, you could actually read some beautiful, smart, and useful stuff.
It’s a shame.😢
Where are we supposed to meet up and talk now?
They shut down our Dervish retreat.
Check out what the preacher is saying: http://www.sulejmanbugari.com/
LET US BE LIKE A BLESSED FRUIT TREE THAT ALWAYS PROVIDES FRUIT TO EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF ANY DIFFERENCES.
He even has that sitting right at the top! It’s basically his headline.
#14 ·
Peace be upon you.
'The darkness within the religion has become more powerful than the light of the Tiki, and slowly but surely, it has been choking it out, with no sign of recovery for quite some time now. In these circumstances, it would be better if it were shut down entirely, given that its original purpose was to spread the light.' Every human soul can see this; there is no need for self-deception, and certainly no need to be pathetic.
Furthermore, the Tiki is joining the sophisticated boycott of this religious sub-forum under its current moderator structure, since you have stripped away all our other options. Fix the state of the religion and resign from your moderator positions. Refresh the forum with new leadership, and perhaps the light will return to the religion.
Let us also remember all the forum 'in memoriam' posts—those who became victims of this sub-forum's politics.
To put it plainly, if anyone isn't catching on: the Tiki is stuck in a massive off-topic spiral, and I am requesting that it be closed.
'The darkness within the religion has become more powerful than the light of the Tiki, and slowly but surely, it has been choking it out, with no sign of recovery for quite some time now. In these circumstances, it would be better if it were shut down entirely, given that its original purpose was to spread the light.' Every human soul can see this; there is no need for self-deception, and certainly no need to be pathetic.
Furthermore, the Tiki is joining the sophisticated boycott of this religious sub-forum under its current moderator structure, since you have stripped away all our other options. Fix the state of the religion and resign from your moderator positions. Refresh the forum with new leadership, and perhaps the light will return to the religion.
Let us also remember all the forum 'in memoriam' posts—those who became victims of this sub-forum's politics.
To put it plainly, if anyone isn't catching on: the Tiki is stuck in a massive off-topic spiral, and I am requesting that it be closed.
#15 ·
steeleagle2 said:Peace be upon you.
'The darkness within the religion has become more powerful than the light of the Tiki, and slowly but surely, it has been choking it out, with no sign of recovery for quite some time now. In these circumstances, it would be better if it were shut down entirely, given that its original purpose was to spread the light.' Every human soul can see this; there is no need for self-deception, and certainly no need to be pathetic.
Furthermore, the Tiki is joining the sophisticated boycott of this religious sub-forum under its current moderator structure, since you have stripped away all our other options. Fix the state of the religion and resign from your moderator positions. Refresh the forum with new leadership, and perhaps the light will return to the religion.
Let us also remember all the forum 'in memoriam' posts—those who became victims of this sub-forum's politics.
To put it plainly, if anyone isn't catching on: the Tiki is stuck in a massive off-topic spiral, and I am requesting that it be closed.
http://www.znaci.com/znaci/art169_0.html... so I kept searching and searching, and then I remembered how you once answered me in just a single sentence or one word, and tonight I stumble upon this website too—man, those were such beautiful times, filled with so much grace and beauty that just radiated through such an inviting tone, and it
really stirred something deep within people; I realize now that my wandering here wasn't all in vain😍, since this Tiki😉 has truly seeped under my skin, leaving a mark without me even realizing it, and bit by bit, from one post to the next, I caught the virus of wanting to visit and participate constantly.
I also remember when Mahmuz posted something absolutely lovely, so if there has to be a closing, let's at least make it elegant and dignified, just like the beloved Tiki deserves. I hope nobody minds me posting this from the kind Mahmuz, as it feels like the most appropriate thing for this exact moment😍 ,
This is a moment of shame and awe, a moment of anguish and beauty. This is a moment of pain and joy,
a moment of anger and gentleness. This is a moment of revelation and witnessing,
a moment of realization and enlightenment. This is a moment of piety and sacrifice,
a moment of unity and merging. This is a moment of the soul and observation,
a moment of stunned understanding. This is a moment of hiding and revealing,
a moment of awakening and calming. This is a moment of true time,
a moment of union and ascent. This is a moment when spirit and soul merge,
a moment when light and darkness divide. This is a moment of absence and presence,
this is a moment of the weaver mentor. This is a moment of return and guidance, this is a moment of
truth and slander. This is a moment of earth and man, a moment of heaven and angels.
This is a moment when the soul bursts forth, a moment of clear vision.
This is a moment when the soul longs for beauty, a moment when one vanishes into infinity.
This is a moment of the Merciful's presence, a moment of the shining sun's clarity. This is a moment when oceans become gates, a moment when the divine decree is supreme. This is a moment when knowledge becomes a point, this is a moment
when wisdom covers everything.
peace to everyone🙂, it wouldn't be the last thing for a Dervish if it could be mine😁 👍, so please cheer us up—you're actually more important to us than the Tiki itself—just toss a smiley into your post... 😍
#16 ·
steeleagle2 said:Peace be upon you.
'The darkness within the religion has become more powerful than the light of the Tiki, and slowly but surely, it has been choking it out, with no sign of recovery for quite some time now. In these circumstances, it would be better if it were shut down entirely, given that its original purpose was to spread the light.' Every human soul can see this; there is no need for self-deception, and certainly no need to be pathetic.
Furthermore, the Tiki is joining the sophisticated boycott of this religious sub-forum under its current moderator structure, since you have stripped away all our other options. Fix the state of the religion and resign from your moderator positions. Refresh the forum with new leadership, and perhaps the light will return to the religion.
Let us also remember all the forum 'in memoriam' posts—those who became victims of this sub-forum's politics.
To put it plainly, if anyone isn't catching on: the Tiki is stuck in a massive off-topic spiral, and I am requesting that it be closed.
Peace.
Using this as a reason is fine—it’s actually a logical progression of censorship happening under the guise of "moderator care." I’ve already sent private messages about this, predicting exactly what would happen, and thank God it finally did. It would be great if one of the moderators would just start their own thread and take responsibility for once. Because the moderators have long since become an end unto themselves—which was proven when they shut down the battlefield. May Allah reward you for this. Now let VERONIKAN and rowdyhawk10 just message each other back and forth and moderate one another. By the way, you’re telling the truth, even if it tastes bitter and comes at a cost.
#17 ·
- Please bear with us for a little while longer. Consultations are currently underway.
We are striving to develop the best possible solution and ensure we act appropriately. In the meantime, please feel free to share your thoughts—whether you agree or disagree—regarding the recent proposal from the Dervish, for which we are grateful. We especially welcome input from those who have been actively contributing to the Tekiju all this time. Peace be upon you.
#18 ·
rowdyhawk10 said:
- Please bear with us for a little while longer. Consultations are currently underway.
We are striving to develop the best possible solution and ensure we act appropriately. In the meantime, please feel free to share your thoughts—whether you agree or disagree—regarding the recent proposal from the Dervish, for which we are grateful. We especially welcome input from those who have been actively contributing to the Tekiju all this time. Peace be upon you.
What kind of "consultations" are we even talking about? Who is being consulted and with whom? The Dervish's reasons absolutely have to be taken seriously. Honestly, you moderators deserve the most blame for this whole mess because of how you run things. By the way you interpret the rules and how you operate, you've insulted every decent person on this forum, let alone an honest believer. Moderators, you are the ones to blame and it’s only fair that you face the consequences.Step down, it’s long overdue... It’s always the insiders who betray Muslims—doing it all for money, serving other interests while hiding behind one excuse or another. I see the exact same patterns on other forums too; wherever Muslims show up, these same kinds of problems pop up.
#19 ·
Tyler Scott3 said:Peace be upon you.
I’d like to ask the admins to close this thread.
And peace be upon you too.
I am 100% behind you on this—it’s a totally valid request. Thanks for speaking up, man.
#20 ·
rowdyhawk10 said:
- Please bear with us for a little while longer. Consultations are currently underway.
We are striving to develop the best possible solution and ensure we act appropriately. In the meantime, please feel free to share your thoughts—whether you agree or disagree—regarding the recent proposal from the Dervish, for which we are grateful. We especially welcome input from those who have been actively contributing to the Tekiju all this time. Peace be upon you.
Peace.
Look, rowdyhawk10, there’s no need for all the philosophy here. The situation on the forum is pretty bad right now, and it’s going to take some time to fix. Until then, the Dervish Lodge stays locked up. It used to be closed off before, so why all the sudden commotion now?
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