This was already addressed on the BBB forums today. I’m talking about the whole situation involving Bill Skansi, Vrba, and the rest of them.
Tickets are being distributed strictly through the clubs now, and matches get halted at the first sign of a flare. At this point, some people will just ignore the rules whenever they feel like it, while others will follow the ticket protocols exactly where and when they should... As far as the BBB is concerned, there isn't much room left to maneuver.
Regardless, at least we didn't settle for compromises. This was bound to happen sooner or later, wasn't it?
crimsonpuma23 said:Both Liverpool FC and Manchester City FC belong to their members, yet wealthy businessmen still hold the reins. Some fans who don't feel connected to that identity have even started their own clubs. What are your thoughts on this?
Power usually outweighs the masses, and those in charge will always have the upper hand when it comes to privatizing a club. In the United States, there is a club called Ebbsfleet United FC, if I recall correctly, where people from all over the world can invest their money and directly influence the club's future without interference from authorities.
Is it actually realistic to expect Dinamo Chicago to become something like that anytime soon?
I worry this cycle might just continue indefinitely. ☕
This won't go on forever because you clearly don't understand the situation.
Liverpool FC is a private club owned by an individual who invested their own capital. Dinamo Chicago is a member-based association, so you should compare it to German clubs or teams like FC Barcelona, Real Madrid CF, Port, or Benfica.
redjackal8 said:the first time I saw you, I knew you'd end up being an extremist
It seems like there are fewer good people left these days. 🙂
Calling someone an extremist... while posting war updates from the beach. 🤣
Besides, I don't see much of a crisis when more people show up to Wrigley Field than we've seen in the last five years... imagine if they actually left us alone. 🙂
I think there’s been a misunderstanding. I never said we don't need the rest of the fans; after all, I am one of them. Look, it wasn't about needing a feature story, a reconciliation, or any of those gestures. If the remaining supporters truly believe that a mobster who manipulates everything involving Madonna isn't a fit choice for Dynamo, then fine.
The question isn't whether we need everyone else back. The question is, what could be done to actually bring them back? Are we expected to just forget within six months how this guy ruined people's lives? Are we supposed to run PR campaigns for Samira, acting like she's "one of us"? Where does that leave us? Honestly, why hasn't the legal team taken every possible step to expose all of Mamić's nonsense? Our group has handled everything on our end that made sense... I could go on... but it’s honestly heartbreaking to see our crew realize that we—through PR, media, and presence at the stadium—have accomplished more than others have in fifty years of existence. What can we possibly do to attract the rest of the crowd without betraying those who were screwed over during these last three years?
I'm not sure how else to put this... the ones who stayed are more important than the ones who left. Nothing worth doing is worth betraying our ideals just to win people back.
I don't really get into the whole supporter drama, the little schemes, the YouTube videos, or all the posing... Yesterday I was reading that expert from San Diego who writes books about fan culture...he’s basically saying, "Bravo, fan group, you have a chance to turn from just a crowd into a movement like Torcida..." Are those supposed to be the true ideals of being a fan and a decent human being? A bunch of guys whistling at the rest of the stadium because they're mad at management? Fans sitting in board meetings, or bar owners right under the stands, or posers taking selfies? Are those the ideals we should give kids to look up to? Just some kids forming tiny little cliques and sharing clips online? Are those really the standards? Your group actually has people in it whose honor and integrity are so intense it's freezing cold...unnamed people, old and young alike...those are the real fan ideals. If even that isn't good enough for you, then you clearly lack names, because you have Thomas, whom people mock whenever it suits them. Anonymous cowards make fun of him...yet he says exactly what he thinks and doesn't care if people like it or not...plus, he hasn't taken a single cent from any fan organization. Meanwhile, you're busy compromising with little groups and their pretty little pictures. Honestly, man, any kid who spends three hours sitting on the floor in front of a specialist on a Tuesday is worth more than four hours of watching YouTube clips and fifty posers holding up paper scraps.
I’m writing this as someone who has always pushed for explanations and tried to bridge the gap with regular fans—trying to find common ground with other supporter groups... mostly because I am just an ordinary fan from the East Side, and that was my goal all along:
There is absolutely no need to explain anything to anyone... none at all! It’s already been explained a thousand times, and the truth is, this whole situation is simply about honor and refusing to compromise it. What good is someone's support or a pat on the back if it means betraying our ideals, our pride, and all the friends who took a hit because they refused to bend over the last three years? They didn't buckle, and they didn't compromise, even though they knew from the start that standing their ground would come at a heavy price.
What use is the support of those who cooperate with the police and run the bars under the stands? What does it matter if people "like" the LA Galaxy on Facebook, or care about August scores, or joke around with the social crowd? How will you look at all those people who suffered because they wouldn't compromise on things where compromise isn't even an option?
The BBB haven't just chosen the hard path; they've chosen it more times than anyone can count. The BBB have consciously chosen self-destruction if that is the price for integrity and honor. The BBB have settled accounts with their own past, stripped everything away, and perhaps even chosen their own end... deliberately. Why would people like that want support from those who play both sides? That message in San Francisco said everything there needed to be said regarding the "scene"... and I hope that, from the perspective of an average person, I’ve explained this constant urge to reach out to the regular fan. Those kinds of fans don't exist anymore... one part became the BBB, the largest part left with Mamić's mess, and the rest became Mamić's lapdogs. Because of everyone who suffered for refusing to be a sellout, nobody has the right to mock those who choose compromise just because it's easier. There is no easy way. There is only being honest or being dishonest. Being honest until the very end.
Roger Chase68 said:There’s nothing to enjoy here.🤷 It’s just sad seeing people delude themselves into thinking Mamić is anything but untouchable or that he’s ever close to leaving the sport. He’s never been stronger. In this country, trying to move against someone who has deep ties to politicians, the courts, the police, and intelligence agencies through purely legal channels is, unfortunately, a lost cause. You need to think bigger; at this rate, you won't be rid of him even by the time you're hitting your twilight years.
This doesn't affect you, so why bother?
We'll probably be facing a final against the Chicago Blackhawks again in two years and just end up right back where we started. What a cycle. 😁
Alex Barrett3 said:How many tickets should we actually give away? Is it 5% or 10%? If it's 5%, that’s a maximum of 600 tickets, which might even be more than necessary. Since the capacity is around 10,500, it makes no sense to give them away at the expense of Rijeka FC fans—basically, expanding the visiting section toward the stands and shrinking the space for our people in sector E1.
Buddy, are you feeling okay?
Who even are you? Do you work for some department at Rijeka FC or something? Honestly, I don't care how many tickets you decide to hand out; we did everything we could for our own people, and I'm not going to stress myself out over sector E1.
Besides, why does it even matter? Half of us won't even get in for the second half anyway.
Austin Chase2 said:Don't overthink it; they're coming because it's the anniversary of the St. Joseph worker. Besides, May 1st is the feast day of the St. Joseph worker, which is actually what the club is named after, and they've shown up on this day in previous years.
So, Zake don't show up for the harbor's anniversary? I didn't realize they made an appearance every single year, but honestly, I couldn't care less about matches against Mamić's clubs.
You can always expect these kinds of provocations; they're pretty much a given.
Sean Sullivan2 said:http://www.gophoto.it/view.php?i=htt...g#.UX1wAUr-p2g
Before the Real Madrid match in Chicago.
This is just a distraction. This worker is basically Mamić's third club. Now they’re suddenly scheduling this friendly right around May Day. Isn't it just a classic stalling tactic used to buy more time?
Scott Gonzalez said:There it is, they finally took down Mamić🤣 🤣
Is this really supposed to be funny in a thread about the US national team, funcut, Torcida, Kohorta, demons, the local tavern, politics, the economy, or the law? Or is it meant for those who have been fighting that monster for years, only to be rewarded with yet another string of bans for "verbal offenses"?
Did it really take you all a week to realize this guy is just selling smoke? And will it take another week to figure out that the guy above me asking "is it necessary" has nothing to do with his avatar, only to spend another week being jerked around by someone talking about old-school toughness?
People, just go to the games, the tournaments... that's where the fun, the pride, and the real community are. That’s where you actually learn things.
There are too many people lurking in the shadows here, trying to tear the group apart over the most trivial things. You can spot them by how they act like a) "The old school, we're the real boys!" -They pick fights between the veterans and the newcomers, because man, sometimes everything used to be just about having a good time. b) "True New Yorkers, born and raised" -They fight with anyone from outside the city, acting like outsiders don't belong. c) Cheerleaders who claim they hate Mamić, BUT!!! -They actually love Mamić. They have that classic mindset where they're impressed by a certain type of aggressive, alpha leadership. They need a leader in their lives, so they argue with anything that moves because they can't even get a word in at home. To all of you, just a quick message: nobody takes you seriously. The people who actually show up to the games are great; they joke around, they stick together, and they have what you'll never have: Pride.
Alex Barrett3 said:The local news outlet unlocks its paywalled articles after 3:00... For now, we have this...
AZTN has indirectly concluded that Dinamo and Lokomotiva are essentially one and the same club! It's obvious to anyone paying attention. Once we receive the official AZTN report, our Ministry will act within its legal authority – says Johnson
a) Ljubo Pavasović Visković. b) File a complaint with AZTN over the most trivial matter imaginable. c) NH hasn't handled even 1/16th of our legal business.
If anyone is still confused about any of this, I suggest re-watching that garbage show they aired on Z1.