Posts by Nicholas Newman2

Just wanted to share this to avoid any unnecessary back-and-forth.
https://maxf1.net/binotto-explained-the-situation-at-the-gp-of-russia/

It felt a bit strange seeing so many self-proclaimed experts—sorry, "commentators"—suddenly go silent after the races, but I guess it all makes sense now.

copperdrifter26 said:It’s basically impossible to get into the DRS zone on this track. I don't know why you're playing dumb. You need at least a full second just to have a fighting chance at an overtake. It was obvious Charles Leclerc didn't even have a couple of hundredths, let alone a one-second gap. But it’s also clear Sebastian Vettel wouldn't be able to do anything in dirty air, which is why after lap 8 he said, "No, no, let's go a bit longer and see."

And THEN Ferrari's pit wall tells Leclerc, "We'll do the
swap later." Which is exactly what happened, but in the pit lane. Vettel was being sneaky, trying to show he wasn't going to budge, all while ignoring the team agreement.

I bring up Singapore because you're making such a big deal about a 4-second gap here, even though Leclerc was right on his tail within 1.5 seconds until lap 10. Back in Singapore, when Vettel was 3.5 seconds behind after the first stop, they claimed he was just "saving tires."

Yeah, saving them so he could put them straight in the trophy case...

Vettel knew exactly what he was doing. That’s why Ferrari left him out two laps too long—to teach him a lesson. Nothing more. Just like Multi 21 back in the day... He apologized then, but he knew he had secured No1 status and authority. Today, he's down nine laps in a row and 21 points behind.👍

Sure, you could draw some parallels. Only problem is, this isn't Red Bull run by Marko and Christian Horner, and Leclerc isn't Mark Webber.

All the "new" players in this equation are total wild cards. The only thing we know for certain in this equation is that Vettel has broken a team agreement at least once before. Amen.

No matter how much of a mess Ferkan has been in the past, I honestly don't think they would have asked Vettel to let the kid pass unless there was some underlying reason or an actual agreement in place.

What they discussed before the race or how far their intentions went doesn't really matter—though we could argue about it forever. I'm just convinced there was a reason for that request.
The fact that Leclerc didn't even flinch when it came to defending first place proves my point.
Please, don't start with the whining about how he couldn't do anything. We know Leclerc well enough by now; there's no way he’d just watch Vettel go by without something happening behind the scenes.

If there wasn't an agreement—like some forum users claim they wish there wasn't—then that would be a nightmare scenario for Vettel.
For a multi-time champion and a driver paid as much as he is to be told to move over for no reason? It could only mean one thing: Vettel has been written off and the kid is being promoted to No1.

Richard Ross11 said:They have all the telemetry, so the engineers back in the garage know exactly if the MGU-K failed or not...
Though, I have to say, Sebastian Vettel did seem pretty upbeat during that post-race interview. 🙂

That’s exactly my point. Just look at Toto Wolff behind the mic.

Edit: He was smiling when he said he’d sit down with the drivers to review the footage; he was actually defending the decision to keep the F1 driver out on track longer. No one even asked him a direct question about why the F1 driver had to retire.

At this point, it feels like there's no chemistry left between the Fercan drivers—if there ever was any to begin with.

Jack Kelly5 said:I’d bet anything that Sebastian Vettel parked that car without any mechanical issues.
😬

It's very likely. During an interview mid-race, I noticed Vettel started smirking; he looked like he was trying to think about literally anything else just to stop himself from laughing.

Then after the race, Mattia Binotto wouldn't even stop to answer questions. He just pointed his finger to signal he wasn't taking any inquiries and kept walking.

It looks like Pandora's box has been opened at Ferkan.

stormybadger8 said:It’s not even that they're being overly aggressive...
Lewis fans are definitely being pretty obnoxious.
And honestly, it's pretty embarrassing for Lewis, rather than something to praise, considering in all those 244 starts, at worst, he was sitting in a top-three car.
while in most races—and I mean the vast majority—he was in the absolute best car on the grid without question...

In reality, Lewis had a car capable of more than just winning or taking pole,
it was dominant enough to pull off a Grand Slam almost every single race during the stretch from 2014 through this season's summer break, which is 112 races in a row.☕

So, feel free to crunch the stats however you want...
If you add in 2007/2008, plus those few races between 2009 and 2013 where McLaren was more than capable of winning, you easily hit a minimum of 150 races in the fastest car on the grid...

Even now, when people suddenly claim the car is "slow" out of nowhere, it's still right up there with Ferrari and totally possible to win in it.
It's not like it's a Williams just because Lewis is feeling emotional about it. 🙄

No, not really.🤦 Actually, his posts are full of wisdom and insight, without any bitterness or malice; everything is purely logical.

Unfortunately, yours are starting to look like they're coming from the exact same keyboard. Just look at this post. Instead of stopping after such a blunt initial claim, you keep piling it on and rambling. Tough times, my friend.🕺

stormybadger8 said:What really worries me is the possibility that Mercedes might just be letting up—maybe even doing it on purpose.

wiredfalcon2 said:Tibi, I don't get why you even bother watching this sport if you're convinced everything is rigged.

Maybe they just have a thing for masochism.🤔

To be honest, if they want to believe whatever they read, that's their business. It isn't really an issue until they start badgering everyone else to see things through their eyes.
Look, if you look at his equation above, he completely left out Red Bull Racing and failed to explain how Mercedes actually manages their cars and their overall team results.

Why? Because if they kept talking like that, it just wouldn't sound right anymore.
Harmonious equals composer.
To be fair, he's a composer.

Guys, we actually have a composer on this forum.🎉

ruggedhawk20 said:Someone just post some decent Russian girls already.

It’s useless trying to bring up anything like that here. Every time I try to complain about this stuff, I feel like a lost soul in Tehran.

stormybadger8 said:https://thejudge13.com/2019/06/14/ve...e-fuel-saving/

It’s clear Ferrari can handle this kind of thing—which is great—but on the flip side, it's a problem

that Vettel just can't.

p.s. I know you wouldn't be able to get this out of your mouth (or type it), so I did it for you.🙂

Brandon Anderson37 said:I’ve been sitting here wondering if I should even bother posting this...
I read through these threads day in and day out, and there’s actually some great stuff to read here. Some of you write really well—constructive, concise, and straight to the point. Of course, there’s plenty of trolling too, but that’s just how it goes. A little humor never hurts.

But honestly, I’m not even sure if everyone here is being real. Or is it all just an act for the crowd?

Take crimsonhawk23, for example. Man, you always have to have the last word, don't you? You think everything revolves around your opinion. Just let people have their own discussions. It’s obvious you think you’re the smartest guy in the room who knows everything, but sometimes it’s better to let others be right. Chill out a bit; it’s not that serious.

Then there are those who write posts ten miles long, as if Leo Tolstoy were their editor. It feels like they're just waiting to drop a new 5,000-page version of War and Peace titled “Sebastian and Me.” The poor guy gets so lost in his own rambling that he ends up contradicting himself in the exact same post.

Cheers!

Where on earth are you located? I'd love to buy you a drink.🙂

stormybadger8 said:He went off track...

The real issue here is how much of that was actually losing control versus intentionally cutting off Lewis Hamilton...
If he wasn't in control, then what exactly is this penalty for?
Is it for going off, for Hamilton being right there (instead of passing on the left), or what specifically?

How on earth can you penalize someone for an unsafe reentry if they aren't even in control of the car and it just slides back onto the track essentially on its own after spinning out?

Maybe if you're convinced it was intentional—that the slide was staged and he was just trying to pin a terrified Hamilton against the wall...
But even if you were certain, what’s the point of a penalty for something you can't truly prove? Intent is incredibly hard to establish. A steward might get the impression, sure, but absolute proof? That's a tall order...

And handing out a penalty just for going off track isn't right either. Otherwise, they'd have to penalize everyone who leaves the track, regardless of whether Hamilton is nearby or not...

What's interesting, though, is all this complaining from Ferrari (and not just them, but every other team too)
Because look, the last time Ferrari was whining about this was when Max pushed Kimi out in a similar fashion (even though Max had a runoff area he chose not to use)... so now they're getting hit by the very precedent they called for...
And yeah, the penalty is perfectly fine according to the rules—rules that were basically implemented because Ferrari asked for them. 😁

And if I remember correctly, this isn't the first time. Vettel once got penalized for moving under braking, and that rule also gained teeth after Ferrari complained about Max doing it...

You've laid that out nicely, but you're forgetting that the stewards have access to way more data regarding the incident than just the live timing we see 😉.

And that whole bit about needing 100% proof is a bit much. If you apply that logic, you could argue there's no proof God exists, since no one has actually seen Him, right?

Whoops, hold on, let's not take this to unrealistic heights or sink the theory of evolution too. It comes down to the same thing: when you demand empirical evidence for everything, nobody has it. You can't run a lab test on something that takes millions of years to manifest.

So, stormybadger8, either start a new New age or admit you're just grasping at straws.

Later

mellowtiger83 said:Look, Vettel got penalized, and that's the end of the story. Personally, I don't think these kinds of silly penalties should even exist.
In my eyes, Vettel deserved that win and should have taken it.

Did Vettel intentionally move right to block? Did Lewis Hamilton intentionally try to force a situation where he wouldn't be let in?

All I know is that Vettel is now trailing by a massive 62 points, and if he had won, that gap would be much smaller.

Ad Acta.

They urgently need to establish rules so that situations where it's hard to pinpoint who's at fault aren't penalized.

I think if they did that, things would never settle down. There would always be an uproar, and you'd never know which side people would take.

To me, everyone needs to be penalized—from the world champions down to the backmarkers. Does it matter if it's Mercedes or even Michael Schumacher making a sudden comeback? It shouldn't. Only a policy like that ensures drivers don't just decide on a whim to try blocking someone, thinking they might get away with it.

A lot of people will jump on this and say it kills the racing and the passion, or whatever else. That's simply not true. A driver who knows they could face consequences won't try to gain an advantage that way; they'll stick to the rules on track instead. And if they do, fans from all sides won't be disappointed in the sport itself, just in a driver showing they aren't perfect. I believe that's the only fair way. Vettel made a mistake by going off track here; everything else happened as a result. Ad Acta

A great example of this is VAR in soccer. Did it kill the game? Despite all the loud complaints, matches are still intense. We all just wait a moment while the ref checks with the others, and then it's over. In a few years, people will forget how it felt to play without VAR.

P.S. I'm being sincere here. If they penalize the Mercedes driver for the exact same thing tomorrow, then fine. That way, a few drivers will realize that their split-second decisions actually carry weight.

stormybadger8 said:Of course you don't know. If you did, you would've learned it ages ago...
You've been around here a long time 😁

Just look at how my young Padawan learned...
https://www.f1puls.com/40154/ma-dajte-molim-vas/
Geldaj, enjoy the ride and keep learning. 😁

If I had seen the headline earlier, I might have actually read it. Instead, I just skimmed past it like a shallow stream—or like how I usually scroll through your threads.

To be fair, you both seem to be in the same boat (Vettel gives you both those "butterflies in your stomach"), though there's one massive difference: he makes a living from this, while you're just shortening your own lifespan.

Why are you cutting your life short like this? You're heading toward a Sisyphus task. You don't even realize this is just the start of your "hell," dealing with endless different usernames trying to explain why they're right. As time goes on, you'll face more people calling Vettel a "fraud," a "fluke," an "undeserved champion," or "lucky"... and the list goes on.

Look, I get that because you're deep in the fanboy phase, you can't see the situation objectively. I know you probably won't understand me even after this, but I have to try, because despite your flaws, I think you're a decent guy.🙂

Nicholas Newman2 said:Let's go. TBF-style I'm going to dismantle this whole story of yours.

Look, if you still have doubts about what I wrote—especially after everything I've laid out in **bold and underlined**—then I honestly don't know what else to say to you.

Roger Wright94 said:You complain about the chain, then go and choke us with it.

Who exactly is this clear to? How many people are we talking about here? Is it just a handful, or are there more than ten?

Sometimes it’s just a driver error, and other times it looks completely intentional. 🤔 Can we finally get some clarity on what's actually going on here?

I see you've gone back through my old posts, but it looks like you still don't get what I meant by that bolded and underlined part.
It’s almost tragicomic how you could ask those exact same questions after every single TBF post.

Let me just step in here and shut down this whole theory. I’m going back to that incident between Sebastian Vettel and Luja.🎉

It is blindingly obvious that Seb pulled that exit on purpose. As the race was winding down, he realized there was no way he was keeping Hamilton behind him. The only logical move was to stage an incident. He picked the perfect spot on the track for that little performance, masterfully overshooting the corner and "sliding" onto the grass. Then, while heading back, he steers right toward Luja—you could tell because he was glued to that right rearview mirror. It was a move only a genius could pull off.🤣

Everything was planned and executed perfectly. Luja plays every card except for crashing on track and losing his points, and Sebastian Vettel delivered exactly what was needed. With that single move, Luja effectively killed any motivation for anyone else to keep chasing that first-place spot.☕

Unfortunately, his master plan was ruined by biased officials who messed up his epic performance with some made-up penalty.😵Even though it felt like everyone was ganging up on Sebastian Vettel, he took the hit with total composure, acting like a true gentleman. He pulled the car over—maybe not strictly according to the rulebook—but it was vital that he got back to the Ferrari camp immediately to calm everyone down and convince them to take it like men. Once he was sure his words had settled the heads of the red crew, he headed to the podium, taking the opportunity to be polite and greet the entire Mercedes team.

What a class act.🙏

Since it was quite a walk from the Mercedes garage, he remembered that things weren't quite right with those number boards. Back when he was a kid, he showed such a massive knack for math that his parents took him to a specialized aptitude test. It was a total success; he finished the exam faster than anyone ever had, making only one single mistake—can you imagine? Just one error out of 350 problems.🍿 But fate dictated that he would eventually sit behind the wheel of go-karts, and then much bigger machines.

Oops, looks like I went on a bit of a tangent there.🕺

To get back to those number boards: I know you all think Seb messed up the sequence, but he didn't. He simply sees the world through a different lens, one that us ordinary people just can't grasp.
What I'm trying to tell you is, don't trust your own eyes. Trust me.🙂

Robert Cox46 said:Are you talking about that Hamilton-Ricciardo situation in Monaco where Ricciardo almost hit the barrier?

Even if the situations were identical, why do we always have to pull those kinds of "arguments"? So many people insist on this way of thinking. If civilization had actually progressed, would we still be behaving like this? A cycle of blood feuds would never end. We wouldn't see progress in anything, even the most trivial matters.
It’s that typical mindset where someone thinks, "My life is falling apart, so I'll feel better if I see my neighbor losing their mind too."

The real issue here is flying under the radar: the fact that Vettel is clearly at fault. For those of you who loved mocking Lewis, the Vettel or Ferrari fans have come back at you like heavy equipment boomerangs.

Malice is what poisons society today; it spares no one. Some of us fight against it tooth and nail, while others surrender to their lowest impulses and then loudly mock the first group for being "too sensitive." Honestly, what happened to us?🙂🙂🙂

I truly feel for the sincere, well-meaning Vettel and Ferrari fans.

Well, everything is finally clear now.
To those of you defending this kind of driving style, I have to ask—just to get you thinking—what does racing even look like if everyone starts driving like this just to avoid going off track?

If you still feel the need to make excuses, then by all means, keep making these kinds of justifications for your favorite driver.

Fair enough.🙂

gentlemoose57 said:https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...anada/4461461/

Hehe, someone is acting a bit too indignant here.

So, you fanboys think your hero is just being played, huh?

I honestly assumed the stewards had access to much more data than we mere mortals do, which would explain why even Button and the other experts mentioned here might see things differently.

Yesterday, I was still torn about how this all went down. But after watching the replay today, it's clear: Vettel could have left him room, he just chose not to. He took the penalty—end of story. If I were in his shoes, with that much adrenaline pumping, I'd probably do the exact same thing 99% of the time. But I wouldn't act like a martyr or complain about it afterward.

It’s frustrating when the officiating isn't consistent. If this had happened to two drivers in the middle of the pack, there wouldn't be any debate; the penalty would be handed out instantly and most of you wouldn't say a word unless it involved your favorite driver.

Since we're bringing up the Verstappen case, it seems pretty obvious that if we're judging by those five seconds, Max Verstappen should have been given a free pit stop for that incident. That's it. Case closed.

I get the sympathy for the Vettel and Ferrari fans; I was even hoping he'd dodge the penalty yesterday. But let's be honest: I would never want my team to win just because "the decision was too slow."

Some people lean on sympathy and empathy as arguments. I respect that, but personally, I'd find that beneath me.

Again, the lack of consistency from the stewards is the real issue. But if a penalty is issued, take it on the chin, keep your head up, and move on.

If I were in Vettel's position and decided to make a scene, there's no way I'd be allowed on the podium or even at the press conference. The way this played out felt a bit childish. It's like acting tough for a moment just to go back to playing games later.

wiredfalcon2 said:I read everything. Of course Hamilton isn't some untouchable icon like those soccer players who intentionally miss a penalty just to make a point, or coaches who let the other team score just to protest a bad call. They might say openly that a penalty was stupid, but if you read between the lines, that’s exactly what they're implying.

Even though I'm a Mercedes fan, I have no intention of glorifying things that don't deserve it—like how Ham behaves after a race. If I could, I'd give him a piece of my mind for that stuff.

But look, this isn't a championship for character; it's Formula 1.

I still maintain that your comment based on that link doesn't hold up. Even if there is something being said "between the lines," it certainly isn't what you're suggesting.

Roger Wright94 said:He probably didn't read anything past the headline.

There isn't even any ambiguity in the title.

Nicholas Newman2 said:Those were the words of the German commentator during and after the race on CBS.

In my opinion, he could have handled his reentry much better. Vettel is an elite driver earning double-digit millions, and a driver of his caliber should know how to stay on track. A pilot at that level always knows where his opponent is and waits for the right moment to make a move.
Sebastian Vettel prevented that here, which is something I can understand from a driving standpoint in that specific moment.

He messed up because he allowed himself to go off track in the first place, so he paid the price. Anything else is just noise. Imagine if you lost control in Turn 1 like that—how would a reentry even look when everyone else is coming back in full throttle? No one would be able to control their race car; they'd all just plow straight ahead. When you go onto the grass, you don't fight it; you just get back on the track. You don't race on the grass; the track is for racing.

Regarding my colleague asking what I'd do if I were the steward Personally, I wouldn't hand out a penalty that harsh. It feels extreme, and it’s a shame the officiating isn't more consistent. If I really have to judge the incident, the fault lies with Vettel; the rules are clear. But if I had to issue a penalty, I'd just give him a warning.

Let me repeat the words of that commentator, who by nationality really should have been biased.

Edit: Knights Templar
"And there goes the surgeon, ready to amputate both limbs."

It's been a long time since I've read something so concise yet so dramatic.👍