Posts by Donna Lopez4

Susan Price30 said:Am I really expected to prove to someone what Jesus looked like, despite two millennia of documented records, descriptions, and books? Give me a break...😁😁

You don't have to prove anything to me. Just find one single credible Christian source that actually describes Jesuan's physical features, and then try proving to yourself that it isn't just a collection of fantasies and half-baked fairy tales you've picked up along the way...🙂

copperfox22 said:The ego: the absolute root of all evil.
It’s a pure narcissist.
Think of it as an ego as massive as a mansion, yet just as fragile as a thin sheet of glass.
The ego won't even let you experience forgiveness, because once you forgive, the ego dies.
Destroy that ego, and you will literally gain everything.

How on earth can the ego be the source of all evil?
The ego is the "glue" holding every other part of a person together—without an ego, there is no "you."

All this talk about denying the ego that I see floating around here is like refusing to open a single room in a house; it’s just pure delusion to think it doesn't exist while the dust and lack of airflow make the whole damn place stink.

Watching people debate whether the ego is good or evil is honestly hilarious to me... this constant demonizing of the ego is like arguing: is a knife a good tool or an evil one? Is it better if it's red or yellow? .

Instead of wasting time on why don't we focus on how to master the knife and what it's actually meant for?.

Susan Price30 said:Which ones? That Jesus was divinely beautiful, striking, and authoritative—and that his character wasn't weak or soft?🙏

It seems unlikely that spamming a thread with biblical quotes describing Jesus's personality and traits would make sense😍, regardless of how much you might want to write about it. All one needs to do is read the Book to get a real sense of who He is. The New Testament isn't exactly a difficult or lengthy read when it comes to finding quotes.🙂

You’ve made two claims about the physical aspect without providing a single shred of evidence to back up what you're citing. Come on, "put up or shut up" and point to one source that Christians actually consider authoritative for these claims... otherwise, this whole argument just sounds like a variation of idolatry... 🙂

It would be completely pointless to spam this thread with biblical quotes describing the personality and characteristics of Jesus...😍I’d love to dive deep into this, but honestly... all you really need to do is read the Book to truly understand certain things and get a complete sense of Him... New Zealand isn't actually that difficult or tedious to quote...🙂

So how on earth did you manage to forget the most basic, fundamental parts...?! 🙂

Forgetting is just plain inefficient. It teaches nothing; it’s just turning a blind eye to a messy reality. Honestly, what a waste of opportunities to build something better, to rearrange the pieces, or to gain actual insight if you just let it slip away. Maybe the "solution" is simply to let go—to live with the knowledge but remain powerless to actually control your own life or anyone else's. By trying to diminish its significance, the importance starts to fade away... 🙂

Susan Price30 said:that's how many people think 😁- but after that (after the release), something else always follows, and bit by bit, we reach the end of science and knowledge. 🙂
there is a specific action that follows, self-protection, learning lessons from the experience, etc., etc.

otherwise, you could say Christians are just doormats used to wipe the floor with (some people actually think that's what they are 🤣) -but neither was Jesus like that, nor was His teaching. By the way, Jesus had an incredibly authoritative presence and demeanor; He wasn't some teenage kid or an exhausted, anemic 'guru' floating in mid-air (all respect to the gurus who actually do that, lol).
Jesus was charismatic, physically striking, possessed incredible energy, etc., etc.

My deepest apologies for the unchecked sarcasm, but can you back up those claims with some quotes from the Bible?😁

bluemason3 said:So, what you're saying is I can't tell Person X, "Don't get treated at the hospital"

But I can say, "Hospital treatment is useless"?

🤔

😁

You clearly don't realize that verbal nuances are everything here:

You can't say: "Don't get treated at the hospital, it won't help you."

But you *can* say: "My own personal experience—whether it was mine, my mom's, or my aunt's—with hospital treatments and those specific substances was completely ineffective..."

Sharing personal anecdotes or life stories isn't something anyone can stop you from doing, not even Saint Peter... 😉 😁

bluemason3 said:I'm not going to weigh in on how other mods handle things—not that I should, since calling out moderator actions outside the private staff subforum is against the rules anyway. You should take that up with her or the admins directly. As for the post being deleted, I’m assuming it was just flagged as off-topic, not because someone was trying to censor an opinion.

Maybe we could put a warning at the start of every thread—or at least the first page of any thread—that promotes death?

There aren't really many threads like this. Most topics revolve around treating this or that, so people tend to jump in with those intentions. You can't exactly predict what kind of posts are going to show up.

Based on what my lawyer has told me so far, it looks like we’re stuck with this "cow medicine" approach for now. Looks like we'll eventually have to push for it to be banned. 😁

Once again, posts about explosives get wiped immediately on the PZ forums. If you’ve already replied to something, just quote it, because the threads blow up so fast that my comments tend to fly right off the screen. Does anyone actually believe freedom of speech should cover instructions for making bombs or guides on how to pirate software illegally?

We’ve already given an answer to this multiple times, but since people keep looping back to the same points, it’s pretty obvious they aren't actually reading the replies. Flooding the thread like this just puts everyone else at risk, and refusing medical treatment only hurts the individual. Comparing this to using pirated software is a stretch; while illegal software is inherently against the law, choosing to decline treatment isn't a crime—it's a fundamental right.

It’s possible that nobody is actually selling snake oil here, but then again, this whole place is just about what people write. Yet somehow, you all find yourselves playing defense for those pushing ideas that are genuinely dangerous to health or life.

Well, we're all in this together. If I were running the show over in the politics or history department, I'd probably react pretty much the same way whenever someone tries to force those niche, topical debates onto everyone else. 🙂

Just because someone isn't in the medical field doesn't mean they can't spend their free time pushing an agenda. Sure, maybe Yin Yang isn't exactly moving units, but they're certainly making a habit of walking through hospitals telling people that conventional medicine is dangerous. Do you really consider that a valid exercise of free speech?

If someone is working within a hospital, that falls under the jurisdiction of the hospital administration. In my view, they have every right to oversee what happens under their roof, including stepping in to issue sanctions when necessary. That said, I believe people should still be able to discuss anything and everything—there shouldn't be any forbidden topics.

What’s the deal with people dropping six posts in such a short window? Kind of a weird vibe.
lol

So, does that just make them total pushovers? 🤔

Well, everything changes. I recently found out that the Earth actually orbits the moon, and apparently, lions reproduce by splitting in half. :
Constantly questioning the same basic facts isn't progress—unless you're actually digging deeper, but that’s a different conversation entirely. You just have to maintain what we know, especially considering how massive the sheer volume of information has become lately. We can't afford to lose it. There are two main fronts in this effort: education and the fight against pseudoscience. That second one has exploded over the last few decades because the pseudoscientists are getting louder and more aggressive by the day. Just look at how they recently went after Vinković simply because he dared to point out that Mišakov's show has absolutely no business being part of an educational curriculum. The show hasn't changed; if anything, it's more pseudo than ever. It's all about protecting those sacred cows.

The issue with this show isn't actually its content, but where they decided to slot it in the schedule. In a free society, you can't police what people believe. Whether someone thinks the Earth is a flat pancake or that fossils are just some trick by the devil, defending against those views is basically an infringement on freedom—no matter how ridiculous the opinion might be. Trying to fight these crusade-style battles won't help anyone either; it’ll just drain your time away from things that actually matter. I remember back when I was younger and full of fire, thinking I had to step in and clear up everyone's misconceptions. But as you get older, you realize that's just a naive waste of energy. It’s much smarter to pour that effort into actual research rather than chasing down other people's nonsense. 😁 "The struggle." God, that sounds so pretentious. 🤣 You can fight for whatever you want, sure. But I have zero patience for people treating sacred cows like they're gospel, and that’s really all there is to it. 🙂 Look, like I said before, you guys are technically right on all counts. There’s really no point in dragging this argument out any further.

You really need to spend more time out there if you want to have an informed opinion on this. You'll run into all sorts of people—creationists, perpetual motion enthusiasts, extremists, and probably a few others of that same stripe.
New topics always get scrutinized and analyzed around here. The problem is that there aren't many of them, and the people posting them often fly into a rage the moment someone offers an explanation. I still remember this one woman who was dead set on interpreting her dreams through time travel. She wouldn't even entertain the idea that her own memory might be playing tricks on her. :cerhek:
Back when I was part of that old "On the Edge..." group, I ended up leaving because they were systematically deleting and wiping out anyone who dared to disagree with the main topics. Looking at things now, it seems like absolutely nothing has changed.

Look, I haven't been on the PZ forums or the old subreddits lately, so I really don't have anything to add to this conversation. 😳

So, you're telling me you don't care that someone is out there convincing people that modern medicine is evil and that they should instead seek help from practitioners who have a criminal record?

No, and I’m not saying we shouldn't call things out. My issue is with the idea of being afraid to write or think something because of potential repercussions, even if those threats are just happening online. 🙂

Just wait and see. I was talking about laws in the real world.

I have no idea where you'd find 🤔
We aren't talking about the real world here; we're talking about the digital space and the rules of this forum. 😁

Yup... You shouldn't just chime in to bow down to the Golden Calf, but you’re more than welcome to write about how alarmingly ineffective it actually is... 😁

dustypuma5 said:Norway banned its citizens from using credit cards for gambling at any retail outlet globally because they knew people would just fly straight to Las Vegas and blow through their entire limits. People were losing their houses and falling into massive debt.
People complained about the move, obviously, but the law stands. And honestly? The government is supposed to protect its people—even from themselves and their own bad impulses.

That’s what a civilized society looks like to me. I kind of wish this forum, which is basically on the map now, had some higher standards than even the society we live in. Like, maybe it could actually look out for the users and protect them from their own questionable urges sometimes.
I know, I'm being an idealist, but whatever, I can afford to be.

Disclaimer: Just treat this like spam, it's late and my brain is fried. I might be talking nonsense. 😬

What a beautifully packaged invitation to hand over the reins of your own life... 🙂

Is Norway going to ban reading de Sade soon? At this rate, the only socially acceptable thing left will be making out in missionary position while carrying a certificate proving you might actually conceive...

Are they actually going to care about the health and beauty of our citizens? They’re busy sending out abortion mandates to pregnant women at high risk for Down syndrome while simultaneously approving food products you wouldn't even feed to a dog...

Do you actually have any real-world experience, or is your entire existence just mental gymnastics and starting internet wars that have zero connection to reality? It’s honestly pathetic how this self-proclaimed medical and scientific elite thinks they have the right to act as a filter for life-altering decisions that belong to others... 🙂 Just wait until life finally hits you with a real disaster; then you’ll be waving that self-styled "Malleus Maleficarum" of yours around with a lot less confidence...

shadowpilot8 said:Philosophical debates aside, I fail to see how bluemason3 and Ryan Gomez4 don't realize they could face legal action. Allowing moderators to permit advice that endangers health and lives is a massive liability. 😁

bluemason3, stop philosophizing and start using common sense. Imagine someone you care about is critically ill and seriously considering an alternative treatment promoted on this forum instead of going to a hospital. Would you go after the moderator who allowed it 😉? This isn't a matter of opinion; it's basic logic. You have to draw a line. No one is talking about all alternative medicine—just cancer treatment. With nothing else are the consequences of neglecting medical care so dramatic

Is it a doctor with an inflated ego, or just a lawyer?... 😁 If I'm just offering this as my first recommendation—and I am absolutely not pushing anyone to do anything... 🙂Insisting on "professional expertise" is nothing more than a blatant intimidation tactic used to silence anyone offering an alternative perspective... 😁

Look, let’s get one thing straight... discussing medical treatments? Absolutely not allowed. But sharing personal experiences regarding alternative options? Sure, that's what this forum is actually for. This isn't about "quackery"; it's about the real-world relationship between a patient and a practitioner—someone who usually ends up facing frivolous lawsuits and navigating a legal system that makes enforcing anything feel like an uphill battle... So go ahead, keep playing judge and jury in your little virtual courtrooms if you must... 😁🤣

Jose Barrett said:Time thinks he’s some kind of icon because he isn't "mainstream." He fancies himself this enlightened atheist—too smart for superstitions, too cool, too edgy.

He lives for science, stays single, sports a -7 prescription, and avoids the city scene because it's just not his vibe. He's gained a few pounds from sitting still, spending all his time hunkered down in front of his computer "shrine."

If hollowtrucker77 actually managed to launch an Atheism subforum, he’d realize how boring it is within a week and crawl right back to the believers. 🙂

Atheism? Really... 🤣

Atheism belongs in the exact same category as those fast-talking, narrow-minded types who hide behind a mask of intense religiosity just to spit out a few shallow, pathetic, and completely dehumanizing clichés... 😁

A little education combined with an open mind toward different perspectives... it really works wonders... 😉 😁

Eric Collins5 said:hollowtrucker77, I’m going to get serious for a second here.

I’ve been doing some reading on religion over the last few days, and honestly? It feels like a landscape absolutely saturated with negative energy. It’s overwhelming.

My actual intention was just to start a more laid-back discussion—something where we could look at certain religious topics through a slightly more relaxed lens.

Something along the lines of what Donna Lopez4 wrote, without all that pagan mess of cracks and crevices crawling around in there...

😳

Honestly, Eric Collins5, that’s about as likely as seeing a unicorn. I mean, everyone labeled religious, along with those who aren't, suffers from this same infectious "seriousness." One little joke or moment of levity and their hard-earned credibility just evaporates, undermining everything they supposedly bled for...

Cynicism, sarcasm, Lilith mooda: 😍🤣

Stop meddling in things that don't concern you and get back to waving over there where you can say or write whatever you want

(before the Sun beats you down and puts you on the chopping block 🙂 🤣)

Eric Collins5 said:

"Then the angel showed me: 'Look, I will show you the judgment of the great whore who sits upon the great waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed adultery and whose fornication has left the inhabitants of the earth intoxicated with her wine.'"
And then my spirit was carried away into the desert.
There I saw a Woman sitting on a scarlet Beast, covered in blasphemous names, with seven heads and ten horns.

-Jehovah's Witnesses

-Agnosticism, Atheism

-Islam

-Hinduism

-Christianity

-Buddhism

-Judaism

7 top topics, 7 expansionist, violent mythologies, 7 yellow "🙂" markers in front of those titles, and my pagan, cat-like heart feels as if it sees the 7 heads of that evil beast ridden by the great whore, while she sips a cocktail of filth and malice from her cup—the kind of stuff that has been persecuting us since the dawn of these desert/Eastern kitsch mythologies.

😠😠😠

I’d like to ask the administration to consider adding a corner for us pagans (we can all live under one roof, after all; we share a common enemy) among those top topics listed above, even if it ends up being as empty as Fran's grave or the Altar Homeland.

The fact that there hasn't been a gathering place for us wild non-believers among the top categories could be interpreted as a denial of our very identity and a trampling of our roots!!!

🧐

Listen, my people, back in the 70s, Iceland recognized Asatr as a fully legitimate religion, even allocating state funds to preserve it. So why couldn't there be a single thread for us pagan devils here on this forum?

🤷

Cheers...

😳

I'm with you on this! 🤣

At the same time, I'd argue that any labels or declarations are completely unnecessary. Let it just be some pagan mess that welcomes absolutely every single viewpoint and belief under the sun... 😁

:mijaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuu: 😍🤣

hollowdriver18 said:Alright, 😳cool.

But what’s your deal with lighters? 😳 Which bin are you tossing them in? 😳

I don't toss lighters... I toss empty beer crates out the window...
☕

hollowdriver18 said:http://plfoto.com/zdjecia_new/1182531.jpg

There it is. 😳

Someone used this exact photo in a highly "educational" thread as a shorthand for purification 😳

Hey, 😳Eric Collins5, do you see any actual symbolism in your own actions regarding purification, or is it just me? 😳

Maybe we should all take a moment to reflect on this whole phenomenon. 😳

I am actually dying... absolute madness!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Eric Collins5 said:😍

I feel much better now. It’s good to know there are people out there even more unhinged than I am...

😳

Of course there are, and what you've got going on is barely even scratching the surface of the scale of dysfunction. 😁 😍

hollowdriver18 said:Oh boy ☕😍☕

Look at that 👋 little lovebirds 👋 getting married... la, la, la 👋

PS: I'm expecting some spicy photos soon ☕
more than a few ☕

🙄

Just because I can relate to someone who has a compulsive urge to purge everything with fire doesn't mean I'm actually going to marry them... 🤷

I just have a thing for people with their own unique little disorders. 😍🤣

ps. I might be posting some fire pics soon ☕
too many pieces ☕

Yup... at my wedding, I'll be ritually burning http://www.pic4ever.com/images/hanghead.gif 😬

wiredfox152 said:Here I am, just 🙏Superman: 😁

Seriously though, give me a break... 😬 Has nobody here actually been in this spot before? And not a single one of you stopped to ask why?
de de, don't let me down 😢

Yup 😢

😳 I have this little ritual where I burn everything my exes ever gave me in my backyard 🤷

Eric Collins5 said:But this part right here, the bolded section...

😍

I’m just as obsessed with it. When I go to destroy things, I make it a point to burn them—if they're flammable, of course—and I just sit there watching the flames.
Sometimes, you can actually see shapes or traces of text appearing in the ashes if there was writing or a picture involved. So, I'll burn those little scraps bit by bit, then use something to smudge the ash until the image is completely gone forever.

It would be easier to just soak the ashes in water, but I've always preferred scattering them into the wind. There's something about that certainty—knowing that absolutely no one will ever find out what used to be there.

😳

😁

Just saw this... *clears throat*... *ahem*... *cough*...http://www.pic4ever.com/images/hanghead.gif ☕🤣

Just leave the man alone...🙂

Eric Collins5 said:Listen, you amateur psychologists! Get back to your off-topic sections and let us broken people talk here in peace!!!

😠😠😠

Where is my little tulip?

Oh please... seen it all before ☕

Just hunting for synonyms to hide that phallic obsession... ☕