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2022 Australian Grand Prix: Melbourne - April 10th

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graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#141 ·
hiddensailor7 said:Dr Helmut Marko claims that he actually expected a bit more composure from Max Verstappen following his first championship win, suggesting that the driver tends to push right past the limit and feels an intense amount of pressure during qualifying sessions. Is it possible that this internal tension is precisely why he completely botched that final corner during his best qualifying lap, much like how he made that exact same mistake during the race and ended up absolutely shredding his front tires?

If you ask me, it might be more beneficial for Dr Helmut Marko to direct his attention toward the crew responsible for the race car and the PP, given that Red Bull Racing has suffered through three out of six DNFs due to mechanical failures rather than any mistakes made by the Red Bull drivers themselves.
James Harris34 James Harris34 Active Member
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#142 ·
graniteharbor502 said:Helmut Marko really needs to put more pressure on the guys handling the car and PJ. Red Bull is sitting at 3 out of 6 retirements due to mechanical failures, not because their drivers weren't pushing hard enough.

Look, anyone with half a brain knows a beverage company isn't going to build its own engine, but honestly, nobody could have predicted they'd run into this many issues just trying to stick with Honda.
It wasn't a smart move on their part. I'm expecting either much more involvement from Honda to fix this mess or a return to Renault, because the way things are going, it's just not working.
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#143 ·
At this point, Red Bull is basically just making stickers to slap on those engines.
If they even do that. 😁

Even the folks at Red Bull Racing realized they were being a bit too optimistic when they decided to go fully in-house with engine production. So, they’re sticking with Honda for now, and they’ll likely stay tied to them for several more seasons.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...-2025/7677145/

And even if they finally manage to take over full design and manufacturing, how old will Dietrich Mateschitz be? Probably north of 80. 😉
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#144 ·
Red Bull will end up building their own engines just like any other outfit from the Volkswagen Group jumping into F1...
Realistically? Never. Not even then. But we’ll definitely deal with endless rounds of backroom deals, pointless negotiations, and all that other corporate nonsense along the way...
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
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#145 ·
stormybadger8 said:It’s tough to drive a race when you mess up qualifying. You end up pushing the car way beyond its actual limits just to catch up, and you run the risk of mechanical failures...
And then, lo and behold, Max had to retire because of technical issues. It makes me wonder how that even happens...

When you qualify two, three, or five spots behind where the car actually belongs, you spend the whole race glued to the bumper of the guy in front of you. Then, suddenly, the entire car overheats, and before you know it, the engine gives up because it just couldn't handle the heat...

Red Bull—specifically under Adrian Newey's direction—has always followed this philosophy: build the lightest, leanest car possible that can snatch a pole position. They excel in clean air, but the cooling systems are often pushed right to the edge. As soon as they get stuck in traffic, all those little problems start piling up...

How exactly was Max pushing the car beyond its limits?
In Bahrain, he was 2.9 seconds behind Leclerc when the failure happened, and Leclerc was running 0.5 seconds faster per lap.
In Australia, he definitely wasn't pushing that hard. He accepted that the win was gone and just managed his delta to secure second place. The fact that he set the fastest lap right before his retirement doesn't mean much. Even if he did go faster than usual, why blame the driver for putting in one quick lap? By that logic, we should blame every single driver on the grid for driving fast.
I honestly don't think that specific lap was even his absolute limit, considering Leclerc's fastest lap was 1.4 seconds quicker.

I feel like you're taking this to an extreme. Even if he had been right on Leclerc's tail, fighting for the win, your logic would suggest Max should have just given up in South Africa to save the engine instead of chasing the lead.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#146 ·
Here’s the official word on why Red Bull had those issues in Bahrain:

“Both cars suffered from a lack of fuel pressure last weekend,” a Red Bull spokesperson said. “The correct amount of fuel was in both cars, but a vacuum prevented the pumps from drawing fuel and delivering it to the engine. We’ve taken the necessary steps to correct this issue and we expect no problems this weekend.”

As for what happened during the Miami Grand Prix, we'll just have to wait and see what they tell us.
Sam Clark75 Sam Clark75 Active Member
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#147 ·
I’ve tried to stay up and catch the race more than once now, but I just passed out—twice. 🥱 It wasn't totally unwatchable, though... it was basically the gold standard for "meh" since Spa last year, but hey, it was there.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#148 ·
It looks like this race won't be getting much attention once the dust settles.

Honestly, that was Ferrari's best start to a season since 2004—and that was a pretty solid year if you ask me.
Leclerc is sitting on more points than the guys in second and third combined right now. 🙏
Sure, the sample size is tiny with only three races down, but seeing things look this good is a nice change of pace.
My only real wish at this point is that the second driver could find a bit more pace.

I have to give a nod to Alex Albon for stretching those tires all the way to the final lap. 👍
The Williams crew was celebrating that single point like they’d just won the championship. Whatever, they earned it.

McLaren bounced back fast. After that disaster in the first race, they’re already sitting at P5 and P6 by the third.

Valtteri Bottas is back in the points again. Ocon too. 👍

Still waiting to see what the deal is with Mercedes. Have they actually fixed anything yet?
Worth noting that the head-to-head stands at 2:1 in favor of George Russell.

Edit: Almost forgot about Vettel's whole scooter situation (with the Ukraine flag on his helmet). 👍 Pure genius.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#149 ·
During the first stint, Mercedes was trailing Leclerc by a full second.
Medium tires, some congestion, a bit of wheel-to-wheel action.

In the second stint, the gap to Leclerc shrank slightly, averaging about 0.85 seconds per lap.
Not exactly seeing much progress here compared to what we saw in Austin. Leclerc was fighting a little while Max was out there, but I doubt he was pushing his absolute limit after that. He cruised to the finish with a comfortable 20-second cushion.

The Verdict
If there’s any actual improvement, it’s marginal at best. Honestly, I’d say there isn't any, regardless of what Mercedes claims.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#150 ·
Roger Wright94 said:During the first stint, the gap from Mercedes to Leclerc was just about one second.
Using medium tires, there was a bit of congestion and some overtaking happening.

In the second stint, the deficit for Mercedes against Leclerc narrowed slightly, averaging roughly 0.85 seconds per lap.
Hmm, does one truly see any meaningful progress here, especially compared to what we saw in South Africa? In that second stint, Leclerc seemed to be engaging in a bit of a battle while Max was still on track, though I suspect he wasn't pushing at absolute maximum capacity once Max moved on. He ultimately crossed the finish line quite comfortably, holding a twenty-second lead.

The Verdict
If there is indeed any progress to be found, it is certainly marginal at best. Personally, I would go as far as to say there is none at all, regardless of whether Mercedes claims otherwise.

One mustn't forget that every circuit tells its own unique story, and certain cars naturally find themselves better suited to specific tracks than others. No one has introduced any significant upgrades yet, so the hierarchy remains essentially identical to what we witnessed during the season opener. Mercedes simply doesn't look good. Sergio Perez handled them with ease in direct on-track combat, and both Leclerc and Max left them trailing far behind. As it stands, they have absolutely no reason to feel optimistic.
Amanda Kelly Amanda Kelly Regular
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#151 ·
It was always the same old hype: "They're bringing a new floor to the Miami Grand Prix..." and suddenly we're all expected to believe Mercedes—because they're just so perfect at everything—will magically fix their issues in a week or two and be fighting for wins again.

The reality? We're still staring at being a full second off the pace per lap. Just stating the facts as they stand.
cosmicmoose2 cosmicmoose2 Active Member
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#152 ·
It’s pretty obvious Mercedes still hasn't figured out how to fix their mess. That's why they aren't bothering with upgrades right now... because every single one they test just eats straight into their budget cap.
Tyler Bennett5 Tyler Bennett5 Active Member
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#153 ·
Roger Wright94 said:We really have to give credit to Alex Albon for stretching those tires all the way to the final lap. 👍
The crew at Williams was celebrating that single point like they’d just taken the checkered flag at Daytona. Honestly? They earned it.

In Qualifying 1, Albon clocked a 1:20.1 on fresh softs, but during the race,
he was nursing 50-lap-old hard tires while putting up 1:22.5s.
He even mentioned after the race that those last 25 laps felt like he was back in qualifying mode.

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