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Mexico City GP: Nov. 5-7, 2021

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Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
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#181 ·
graniteharbor502 said:Come on, how are they supposed to squeeze him out on a track this wide? 🤷
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If Valtteri Bottas had just moved right, Max Verstappen could have slipped right between them. That would have forced Mercedes into a real dilemma, risking a collision between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton. Honestly, that scenario favors Max Verstappen since he holds the points advantage.

Then let him take the middle. The point is, he had the opportunity and should have gone left to block Max Verstappen. If he did that, Max Verstappen would be forced into the center, and that’s where he can go.
What changes there is that by taking the middle, Max Verstappen loses his ideal racing line. Sure, he might still try to brake late, but he wouldn't be able to pull off a move like the one we saw at the start yesterday.
Essentially, Lewis Hamilton would have had a much better shot at winning that duel. He would have seen Max Verstappen right alongside him, and I highly doubt he'd just let Max Verstappen out-brake him like that—even with the braking issues they dealt with at Turn 1 this weekend.
If the Mercedes-Benz crew had decided to block Max Verstappen, it would have worked. The only threat would have been Sergio Perez coming up on the right, which is a sacrifice they could have easily made.

You saw how difficult overtaking was yesterday.
Toto Wolff mentioned that Red Bull Racing was faster regardless, so what does it matter? If Mercedes undercuts Red Bull Racing, the situation remains the same: Red Bull Racing comes out of the pits behind Mercedes and ends up stuck trailing them. You saw how Bottas unsuccessfully tried to overtake a car that was likely half a second slower per lap. Or look at how Sebastian Vettel tried to pass Gia; yesterday showed that having a faster car means nothing if you're stuck behind someone.
Plus, the DRS effect was weakened because of the thinner air. Yesterday, Sergio Perez only gained 0.2 seconds in the first DRS zone while following Lewis Hamilton. That's negligible.
If Max Verstappen had stayed stuck behind Bottas and Lewis Hamilton yesterday, I am 100% certain he wouldn't have won. 🤷
There was simply no way he was going to overtake both Mercedes-Benz cars on pure pace.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#182 ·
Roger Wright94 said:What do you mean by aggressive lunging or forcing someone off?
My commentary was focused solely and exclusively on my own racing line. Nothing else at all.
Naturally, one cannot simply allow a car on the outside to squeeze back into alignment with oneself; one ought to maintain a lead of at least a quarter or perhaps a third of a car length.
Given that the first corner is a right-hander followed immediately by a left-hander, the ideal trajectory involves drifting wide in that first turn to better position oneself against the inner edge of the second curve.

But to achieve that, one would need to be comfortably ahead of Max Verstappen. According to the telemetry data, Verstappen was braking fifteen meters later than both Valtteri Bottas and Lewis Hamilton. It hardly matters how perfectly Bottas maintains his line if Max Verstappen is already established ahead of him before they even reach the apex:
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Furthermore, one can observe that Lewis Hamilton held a slight advantage over Bottas, so why then did he not concede the space on the right to push Max Verstappen wider? 🤷
And what I find most essential to emphasize is that we are discussing the very first corner following the start of the race; the tires and brakes haven't even reached their optimal operating temperatures yet, and the drivers themselves are still gauging exactly how early or late they can brake or enter a turn. They are essentially driving purely on instinct. And in those moments, Max Verstappen is truly peerless.
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
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#183 ·
graniteharbor502 said:But you have to be ahead of Max Verstappen to pull that off. According to the telemetry data, Max was braking 15 meters later than both Valtteri Bottas and Lewis Hamilton. It doesn't matter how perfectly Bottas holds his line if Max Verstappen is already ahead of him before they even hit the turn:
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Besides, you can see Hamilton was slightly ahead of Bottas there, so why didn't he just squeeze Max out by moving toward the car on his right? 🤷
What’s really important to remember is that this happened at the very first corner right after the start. Neither the tires nor the brakes are at their optimal operating temperatures yet. Drivers are essentially flying blind, relying entirely on gut feeling to decide when to brake or how to approach the apex. And in those moments, Max is in a league of his own.

The truth is, Max managed to brake that late yesterday simply because he was on the racing line! That was the main factor.

He mentioned it during the press conference and again after the race—he found an opening on the racing line that actually had grip left in it.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#184 ·
Raymond Anderson4 said:Well, Max actually managed to brake late yesterday simply because he was positioned right on the racing line!

He mentioned it during the press conference, and he reiterated it after the race concluded, noting that a racing line had opened up for him—one that possessed all the rubber and necessary grip.

In that case, why don't they just leave the inside lane open for him next time? He’ll likely breeze right past them again anyway.😁
It is quite evident that at certain tracks, there is an overwhelming advantage to starting in the slipstream. It was exactly the same situation back in the US. You simply cannot block him; he will find a way through because the track width is just too generous.
Sam Clark75 Sam Clark75 Active Member
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#185 ·
Just reading Lujo-like comments right now, and man, it’s pure delusion—first he blames Valtteri Bottas for a bad start (coming from the guy who’s been starting worse than good lately and keeps flying straight into corners), then claims he "envisaged it differently" so Bottas ends up getting overtaken while simultaneously blocking Max Verstappen. This "I had envisaged it differently" line is just too much. Sorry the world didn't align with your little vision, I guess. 🙏

All that's missing is for Bottas to drive the whole race for him, while Lujo shows up to grab the trophy and wave to the masses during a break from composing music and designing ugly outfits. Sure, two drivers in a team are supposed to cooperate, but how Mercedes-Benz imagined that working with a driver they just kicked to the curb? Even a dog wouldn't buy that nonsense. Good luck at Alfa Romeo, Bottas—you'll be fighting for 10th place on a good day, but you definitely won't find any of this cerebral sex there.

https://www.racefans.net/2021/11/07/...-at-the-start/
cosmicmoose2 cosmicmoose2 Active Member
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#186 ·
Why on earth didn't Lujo just settle for second place?
I mean, he's got more than enough experience to just lift off the throttle for those last XX meters and drop 3-4 tenths...
Amy Castillo4 Amy Castillo4 Active Member
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#187 ·
Sam Clark75 said:I’m just now getting through Lujo-like's statement, and honestly, it’s almost absurdly delusional—first he blames Bottas for a poor start (of all people to say that, considering he’s been struggling with starts himself lately and has a habit of running straight into corners), then he claims he "envisaged it differently," implying Bottas somehow outmaneuvered him while simultaneously blocking Max Verstappen. That whole "I had envisaged it differently" line is just too much. My bad that the universe didn't align perfectly with your specific vision and grand design. 🙏

At this rate, we might as well expect Bottas to drive the entire race for him, while Lujo shows up to collect the trophy at the podium, waving to the masses during a brief intermission from composing symphonies and designing hideous outfits. Look, obviously two drivers in a team are supposed to cooperate, but how Mercedes-Benz expects to pull that off with a driver they just kicked to the curb is something even a dog wouldn't bother trying to figure out. Good luck in the Alfa Romeo seat, Bottas—you'll be fighting for 10th place on a good day, but you certainly won't find any of this high-level mental chess there.

https://www.racefans.net/2021/11/07/...-at-the-start/

He also went on to claim that Mercedes-Benz stood no chance in a duel against Red Bull Racing. Of course—if he had actually won, he’d insist it was due to his own genius rather than the sheer power of the Mercedes-Benz car.
George Miller2 George Miller2 Newcomer
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#188 ·
Robert Cox46 said:He also mentioned that Mercedes didn't stand a chance in a duel against Red Bull Racing. Of course, if he had somehow pulled off a win, everyone would be crediting his driving skills instead of the sheer power of the Mercedes...

To be honest, Red Bull was just a dominant car yesterday.
Even if you look at nothing else, the AlphaTauri results say it all... I mean, has Yuki Tsunoda even made it into a Third Quarter this season? If I remember correctly, not once...
Max Verstappen, Sergio Perez, Pierre Gasly, Yuki Tsunoda... All those cars showed an incredible amount of potential.
It feels a lot like those old Racing Point results back in the day...
Kyle Lopez2 Kyle Lopez2 Active Member
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#189 ·
Roger Wright94 said:What do you mean, "aggressive" or "ramming"?
I was strictly talking about my line through the corner. Nothing else.
Obviously, you can't just let a car on the outside line align itself with you; you need to be at least a quarter or a third of a car ahead.
Since the first turn is a right-hander and the second is a left, the ideal racing line is to swing wide in that first corner so you can clip the inside edge of the second one more effectively.

And honestly, both Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen have done this to each other countless times.
If a car is on the outside, they either have to clip you or go off track entirely.
The Mercedes drivers had everything under control until Valtteri Bottas braked a bit too hard.

That’s a pretty pointless comment since it's the one thing you can't actually control. How exactly are you planning to prevent someone from pulling up alongside you?🤔

On the flip side, driving straight into the sandwich and hoping you don't take out Lewis Hamilton...🤔 What if Lewis Hamilton gets a little too close or clips you, causing a wheel to fly off, or what if Max Verstappen squeezes him right as he's pushing, leading to contact with the rear?🤔

All I'm seeing here is your tendency to suggest that the bot should have been looking to collide with Max Verstappen.😵
ruggedmaker99 ruggedmaker99 Member
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#190 ·
If Valtteri Bottas had botched his start while Max Verstappen executed a perfect launch, we would be looking at a completely different race dynamic right now.
Lewis was just... mediocre, if we’re being honest. Valtteri really should have shown more aggression when pushing against Max Verstappen, but that was that.
He didn't want to, that’s just how he is—pure ego. And honestly, maybe what you all mentioned is true; perhaps he's doing this now just to save face for the sake of the team.
Which one is going to kick him out? But honestly, I’ll take that first part on faith for now.

Furthermore, considering how incredibly cautious he was right at the start—losing two positions in the process instead of playing it smart—it’s just hard to stomach. It’s like watching a driver hesitate when they should be attacking; you can't afford that kind of indecision if you want to stay competitive.
Most drivers would have turned up the aggression to claw back that position—or even both of them—but he just kept pushing in that exact same, stubborn manner.
That’s exactly why I believe Daniel Ricciardo managed to pull ahead; he simply wasn't prepared for such pathetic acceleration out of the corner.
(Especially when you consider that one Mercedes driver) So, let me ask you this: was Daniel being too aggressive? I know he certainly forced the issue.
The state of those tires entering Turn 1—even if he did manage to navigate the corner without incident—is a massive point of contention that warrants much deeper scrutiny.

There is one specific thing about Valtteri Bottas that absolutely fascinates me—something I haven’t observed in any other driver on the grid.
When you look at the two heavyweights—Red Bull Racing and Mercedes—it’s clear that he can be incredibly fast, but there's a catch: he only finds that pace when everything is functioning exactly according to his design.
Securing pole position and taking the lead right from the lights out means absolutely nothing if you can't maintain it. It is frankly infuriating how a driver can look utterly unrecognizable once they fall out of that top three or four bracket. One minute they are dominant, and the next, they are completely lost.
It becomes particularly infuriating when you consider how they handle start penalties from the back of the grid. Or even look at the current situation—when someone finds themselves stuck in that exact position.
It’s exactly where we left off after that incident. There is virtually zero progress being made. 😕 It’s almost as if he’s absolutely terrified of even a hint of turbulence.
It’s either that they have more pace than the rest of the field, or—more likely—they're simply terrified of getting caught in a wheel-to-wheel scrap.
To reach the absolute pinnacle of this sport, you have to be a complete bastard. You need that ruthless, uncompromising edge to dominate. And frankly, looking at him? He’s just not cut out for it. 🤷
Many people lose their edge once they get married. Perhaps that's just how it goes. 🙂
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
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#191 ·
George Miller2 said:Honestly, Red Bull looked like a dominant car yesterday.
If nothing else, you can see it in the AlphaTauri results... Has Yuki Tsunoda even made it into a Third Quarter this season? As far as I recall, never..
Max Verstappen, Sergio Perez, Pierre Gasly, Yuki Tsunoda... All those cars had an incredible amount of potential.
It feels a lot like those old Racing Point results.

They were dominant, sure, but only when there was nobody ahead of them. Perez was taking half a second out of Lewis Hamilton on average per lap, but once he caught up, he hit a wall.
Here is the breakdown of Perez vs. Max Verstappen

49 lap 1:19.468 1:20.672 -1.204 +6.068
50 lap 1:20.188 1:20.461 -0.273 +5.795
51 lap 1:19.675 1:20.111 -0.436 +5.359
52 lap 1:19.890 1:20.224 -0.334 +5.025
53 lap 1:19.686 1:20.130 -0.444 +4.581
54 lap 1:19.882 1:20.628 -0.746 +3.835
55 lap 1:19.643 1:20.281 -0.638 +3.197
56 lap 1:19.960 1:20.577 -0.617 +2.580
57 lap 1:20.309 1:21.141 -0.832 +1.748
58 lap 1:20.151 1:20.427 -0.276 +1.472
Kyle Lopez2 Kyle Lopez2 Active Member
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#192 ·
Raymond Anderson4 said:Well, he could have just taken the middle line. The point is, he had the opportunity and should have moved left to block Max Verstappen, forcing him toward the center instead.
What really changes is that by taking the middle, Max wouldn't have had that perfect line anymore. Sure, he might still try to brake late, but he definitely wouldn't have been able to pull off what we saw at the start yesterday.
Essentially, Lewis Hamilton would have had a much better shot at winning that duel because once Lewis sees Max alongside him, I highly doubt he’d just let Max out-brake him, regardless of those braking issues the team dealt with at Turn 1 this weekend.
If the Mercedes crew had decided to block Max Verstappen, they would've pulled it off. The only one who might have slipped past was Sergio Perez on the outside, which is a sacrifice that could have been made.

Come on now. The plan was for the bot to pull Max Verstappen out of the slipstream, and he actually did it. Lewis Hamilton should have tucked right into that slipstream immediately, but that fell through since he had a better start. So what's your solution? The bot stays put to defend the inside, then Lewis does a radio chop to the bot and then another chop to the outside to block Max Verstappen🤔 or something else🤔

Or even better, the bot leaves the inside open for Max Verstappen.🤣 Instead, Max Verstappen takes the outside, and Lewis Hamilton just repeats what happened at Imola, Monza, or Silverstone.😵

The issue is that fans tend to fantasize about these marginal scenarios where Lewis Hamilton and the bot shut Sebastian Vettel out of third place at FRA-18. They focus entirely on how to move Max Verstappen, rather than looking at actual racing strategy and trying not to get wiped out by a diver from the outside because you were busy ruining the race for Max Verstappen.

The reality is that even though Max Verstappen passed them both on the outside, everyone is going to defend the inside at every race. It's also worth noting that Lewis Hamilton almost crossed the inner line just trying to defend against Sergio Perez.

The fact is, the bot went straight to pulling Max Verstappen out of the draft to help Lewis Hamilton, and the bot tried to let Lewis Hamilton through, only for Lewis Hamilton to let Max Verstappen overtake him on the outside.😵

My point is that people are dreaming up these wild scenarios where the bot hits Max Verstappen at the last second and spins him out. In reality, it would be just as easy for Max Verstappen to cut across the grass into first place while the bot clips Lewis Hamilton from behind, leaving everyone screaming that the bot is an idiot.🙄
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#193 ·
Sam Clark75 said:Yeah, because everyone expects Valtteri to just roll over and move aside at every single chance so Lujo can actually stay relevant for a title shot—or whatever else the team that dumped him owes him. 🙄

Let’s stop kidding ourselves...
Bottas was brought in to do exactly that.☕
At the end of the day, Toto said it loud and clear when he was looking for a replacement for Nico Rosberg. He basically stated they picked Valtteri because he isn't high-drama, and blah blah blah—he wanted a team where drivers aren't constantly messing with each other...

Anyone following Formula 1 who isn't blind or deaf knew damn well he was hired to be a pure No. 2 driver. Valtteri knew it too, and I'm sure it's written in plain English in his contract.
It’s nothing new in F1 history; it’s always been this way and always will be.
Realistically, being a supporting player is his one and only job at Mercedes, and he’s been paid handsomely for it.
If he hadn't agreed to play second fiddle, he wouldn't have the money, and he probably wouldn't even have a seat in Formula 1 anymore—just look at his former teammate Felipe Massa, who was the exact same type of obedient team player...
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#194 ·
George Miller2 said:Honestly, Red Bull was the dominant car yesterday.
If nothing else, you can tell by how AlphaTauri did... Has Tsunoda even made it into Third Quarter this season? Not that I recall..
Verstappen, Perez, Gasly, Tsunoda... All those cars had massive potential.
Kind of reminds me of those old Racing Point results.

He's started in the top 10 four times this season...
Jason Campbell70 Jason Campbell70 Veteran
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#195 ·
Roger Wright94 said:Bottas had the perfect setup to block him. Absolutely perfect!

When Max gets his rear wheel alongside or pulls right up to the front—especially when he's on the inside line—you don't lift. You hold your line as long as necessary (even if you have to go wide), just don't let Max through. He shouldn't be able to pass unless he goes off track.

Raymond Anderson4 said:Bottas stayed straight from the start all the way to the first corner, so he could have veered left before Max caught his slipstream. Instead, Bottas just let Max slide right past. At least try to shut the door? Let Max try the outside line, give him something to work with.

Exactly.
Bottas and Mercedes should have done exactly what those two Ferraris did to Lewis during the final race in Mexico City back in 2019.
graniteharbor502 graniteharbor502 Regular
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#196 ·
Jason Campbell70 said:Exactly.

If only Valtteri Bottas and the Mercedes team had simply executed the same strategy that those two Ferraris deployed for Lewis Hamilton during that final race in Mexico City back in 2019. Wouldn't that have changed everything? One can't help but wonder if a bit more tactical decisiveness from the Mercedes garage might have yielded a different result, much like the way Ferrari managed to set the stage for Hamilton during that intense showdown. It really makes you contemplate what might have been, doesn't it?

It is certainly an intriguing comparison to consider, though I find myself wondering if the actual situation isn't fundamentally different from what we are looking at here?
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Lewis Hamilton nearly pulled alongside Valtteri Bottas, while Charles Leclerc—recalling his performance from 2019 when he held that top spot—managed an even more impressive start, successfully pulling away from Sebastian Vettel, who was subsequently forced to fall into his wake. I find myself wondering, quite often, if we truly grasp the sheer weight of the silence that follows a sudden departure, much like when one considers the quietude after a massive storm rolls through the Midwest. Is it possible that our modern discourse lacks the necessary gravity to address the profound shifts occurring within our institutions? I often sit by my window, watching the slow movement of traffic on the interstate, reflecting on whether we are merely drifting through these changes without a compass. One must ask oneself, does anyone else feel this lingering sense of uncertainty, or am I simply lost in my own contemplation of these vast, unfolding complexities?Even now, Lewis finds himself staring down two different Red Bull Racing cars in his rearview mirror, facing the constant threat of someone lunging down the inside to snatch a position. He actually admitted as much during his post-race remarks, noting how precarious the situation felt. "But obviously I was alongside him, which was good," he explained, "And then I was just covering my side of the track, trying to make sure no one could come up the inside so I was trying to keep whichever Red Bull in my mirror behind." It makes one wonder, doesn't it, how much mental energy is drained simply by defending those lines against such aggressive pressure?
Sam Clark75 Sam Clark75 Active Member
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#197 ·
stormybadger8 said:Let's be real here...
Bottas was brought in to do exactly that.☕
At the end of the day, Toto was totally public about this when he was looking for a replacement for Nico Rosberg—he even said they picked Valtteri because of his non-confrontational character and blah blah, basically saying he didn't want a team where drivers are constantly clashing...

Anyone actually following Formula 1 who isn't blind or deaf knew damn well he was brought in to be a pure No. 2 driver. Bottas knew it too, and you can bet your ass it's written right there in his contract.
Honestly, this kind of stuff isn't new in Formula 1 history—it always has been and always will be.
And realistically, that’s been his one and only job at Mercedes all these years, and Bottas definitely got paid well for it.
If he hadn't agreed to it, there wouldn't be any money involved, and he probably wouldn't even have a seat in Formula 1 anymore—just look at his former teammate Felipe Massa, who was the exact same type of obedient team player...

None of that changes the fact that Bottas either won't or can't play that role now, and God knows what Lujo gains by pointing it out publicly. Like when he told him to just enjoy "his" reward for the PP after that engine penalty. Totally unnecessary and low.
shadowmarlin22 shadowmarlin22 Active MemberOP
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#198 ·
Richard Walker38 said:


And then the designer wonders why the crowd keeps booing him at every single race.
Look, it sounds harsh, but honestly, he’s got a point. 🤷

Sergio Perez is a great driver—it's just that his talent doesn't stem from raw one-lap pace (unlike someone like Jarno Trulli back in the day), but rather from his incredible tire management and those steady race laps that allow the strategy team to actually do their jobs. That wasn't really the case here; Red Bull was just in a league of their own given the conditions—they have the best car, and this is their playground.
Again, Lewis Hamilton probably shouldn't have phrased it that way, but if Max Verstappen had said the same thing about Valtteri Bottas, fans would have lost it—mostly because they'd be celebrating that someone finally spoke the truth. But since it's Lewis Hamilton, he gets the hate, while Sergio Perez remains the fan favorite. There you go.

At the end of the day, Max Verstappen has been driving with real maturity for 98% of the season, and with the best car on the grid, that should be the headline.

Let's spare the tears for everyone claiming this race was "great" or "top tier." A race result isn't the same thing as race quality... If anyone actually thought this was good racing, just quit the sport. ☕
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#199 ·
shadowmarlin22 said:Sergio Perez is a solid driver, but let’s be real—his talent isn't exactly about that blistering single-lap pace you'd see from someone like Jarno Trulli. That tire management was absolutely top-tier.Consistent laps during the race actually give the strategy team something to work with. It didn't work out that way here.

Whatever happened, happened. 😵
What is wrong with you Lujo fans? Seriously, can you not see anything else besides him? 🤔
Sergio Perez was hounding Lujo simply because he had much younger, better tires. 🙂

shadowmarlin22 said:Save your tears for the people who actually thought that race was good. Let’s be real: a decent result doesn't mean the quality of the racing was any good. If anyone actually enjoyed watching that, just quit the sport already. ☕

I’m shedding a tear for myself here. Just give up on Formula 1 already...
That race was solid. It had everything you want to see in a Formula 1 race. ☕
A fantastic, high-octane start, some brilliant tactical maneuvering, and a frantic hunt for position right until the checkered flag... that’s all it would've taken.

Who cares if there weren't any overtakes at the end? Honestly, screw overtakes—especially those pathetic ones where people just dive down a single lane. That’s absolute garbage, and it makes for a boring-as-hell race.
Races only get interesting when there's money on the line. If there’s no prize to chase, why even bother?
Oh great, let’s just bring in some ultra mega super duper DRS that allows for 762 overtakes per race just to put on a show for the casual fans. I'm sure they'll be thrilled. 🙂
Jack Kelly5 Jack Kelly5 Active Member
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#200 ·
shadowmarlin22 said:Basically, you have to admit that Max drives incredibly maturely about 98% of the season, especially when he’s sitting in the best car on the grid, and honestly, that alone should be the headline.

But man, if Lewis manages to snatch it, that would be some kind of pure magic coming out of that silver bucket—something even Gandalf couldn't pull off.
😬

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