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Regarding the July defense, they even put a question mark at the end of the headline. 🕺
I’m just saying, there are way too many clickbait articles out there that have absolutely nothing to do with their titles once you actually read them.
The article says she's "most to blame," but it doesn't say she's the *only* one responsible, nor does it explain why ER doctors are being thrown under the bus.
Sepsis can spiral incredibly fast, and by the time the clinical picture becomes clear, it's often too late. Being a doctor is a thankless job; in the US, doctors are frequently forced to diagnose based on nothing but a stethoscope and what they see right in front of them because half the diagnostic tools they need aren't available.

It turns out the child was transported to the hospital without receiving basic life support, like IV fluids or oxygen, during transit.

I feel terrible for the kid. Honestly, I think every doctor who treated him shares some level of blame, mostly because they're working without any diagnostic data while staring down a child with a persistent, stubborn fever that won't break. Even if the lung exam looked okay, they should have demanded full hospital testing immediately.

How can they both be equally at fault if she decided during that first exam that the baby was in critical condition and immediately took the best possible steps to handle it?

Richard Sanders7 said:Are they really equally at fault if the pediatrician decided the child was in critical condition during the first exam and immediately took every available measure?

Fair point, I phrased that poorly. Anyone who didn't get them to the hospital immediately is just as responsible. As for the pediatrician, I don't get why they didn't establish an IV line, start fluids, and prescribe specific protocols for the transport.
She probably panicked, thinking they'd make it to the ER in time.
Whether the IV and oxygen would have actually saved him is debatable, but she should have finished the job properly regardless.

🍿 I've never seen Louise Hay lose her cool like this before 🍿...

rapidtrucker78 said:>>You're right, I misspoke there. Honestly, anyone who didn't get him to the hospital immediately shares the blame. As for the pediatrician, I just don't get why they didn't establish an IV line, start an infusion, and then clearly outline the treatment plan for the transport.
She probably just panicked, thinking they’d make it to the hospital in time.
Whether that infusion and oxygen would have actually saved him is anyone's guess, but she should have seen her job through to the end.

After checking him out, the pediatrician took him and his dad down to the ER, which was just one floor away from her office.
Once he was in the ER, they gave him oxygen, started an IV, and called for a medevac.
Or maybe they didn't—I don't know—but if they didn't, that's on them.
It doesn't make sense to expect a doctor in a regular outpatient clinic to handle a critical emergency when the actual ER is just 15 minutes away.
And the ER staff, as much as I know they were struggling with tough conditions, sent him home twice that weekend.
Twice! A kid with a fever who was already on antibiotics gets sent back home twice.
Then, in the inspection report, they start making excuses about how hard it is to work there and how they lack lab diagnostics, yet somehow this pediatrician is the one getting blamed for not providing adequate care.
That's what really gets me worked up.

So, last year, I ended up going back for checkups a few times because this cough just wouldn't quit on me. One visit I had a fever, the next time nothing at all, but the coughing, the hacking, and that damn pain... it just wouldn't stop. I even got my lungs scanned and everything came back totally clear, but still no relief. Finally, the doctor sent me off for a swab and some allergy testing, saying they tend to keep older folks around with symptoms like mine because it could be any one of fifteen different things. Man, it's frustrating... they just don't know, they can't know, they aren't omniscient or anything.

Look, it doesn't bother me if people are angry, but I think it’s just silly to get worked up over the wrong things. It's not like I was downplaying anyone's death or trying to defend anyone, obviously. Honestly, all this finger-pointing at doctors and the whole healthcare system just ends up driving everyone toward private clinics or moving away from the US entirely.

Kimberly Rodriguez51 said:So, after checking him out, the pediatrician took him and his dad down to the ER, which was just one floor away from her office.
They gave him oxygen and an IV, and I guess they called for a medevac.
Or maybe they didn't, I don't really know, but if they didn't, then that's on them, right?
I mean, it doesn't make any sense for a doctor in a regular clinic to be handling a critical emergency if the actual ER is just 15 minutes away.
And the people in the ER—look, I get it, their working conditions are rough, I really do—but they sent him home twice that weekend.
Twice! A kid with a fever who's already on antibiotics, and they just sent him back.
Then, in the official inspection report, they start making excuses about how hard it is to work there and how they can't get lab tests done quickly enough, yet somehow this pediatrician is being blamed for not providing adequate care.
That’s the part that just... it really gets me worked up.

But wait, who is actually blaming her? Honestly, nobody. Not here, and not even in those reports the tabloids are leaking. Even if she made a mistake in how things were handled, you can't blame someone for stuff that's totally out of their control.

I'm right there with Kimberly Rodriguez51 on this one.

briskbison55 said:It doesn't bother me one bit if someone wants to be angry, but honestly, getting worked up over the wrong things just seems counterproductive. To be clear, I wasn't trying to downplay anyone's passing or make excuses for those involved. In my view, constantly attacking doctors and the healthcare system only makes things worse—it basically drives talented professionals straight toward private practices or forces them to pack their bags and move overseas.

If you’re someone working at an outfit like Metkovski Hitan, you might as well just pack up and leave. Honestly, I’d say go for it.

Richard Sanders7 said:I'm kind of with Kimberly Rodriguez51 on this one.

Honestly, people from that Metkovski Hitan crew should just head out, if you ask me. I mean, they really should.

Just wait, you'll see... soon enough, we'll be seeing doctors coming in from all over—Ghana, Gambia, everywhere. Just watch.

briskbison55 said:You’ll just have doctors coming in from all over the world—places like Ghana, Gambia, and the North America. Just you wait and see.

At least with messes like this, we'll know exactly who's responsible right away.😁

Richard Sanders7 said:Man, we’d know exactly who to blame for this kind of crap right away. I mean, seriously, there wouldn't even be any guesswork involved. We'd just point the finger and move on. It's funny how that works, I guess. Maybe it's just because things are so predictable now? Anyway, yeah. Just knowing. 😁

Man, you are being seriously intolerant. I mean, honestly, it’s just... wow. 😁

briskbison55 said:Who's actually judging her? Seriously, nobody—not here and certainly not in those reports being spread by tabloids. If she messed up some paperwork during processing, that’s just a force majeure situation.

The Chamber and state inspectors will be all over this within weeks if those news reports are actually right.
It looks like you're still a bit out of the loop. There's no way that doctor made a mistake in her diagnosis; she could tell the kid was septic just by looking at him through the door.
And we aren't talking about an "act of God" here. We're talking about parents who were literally begging for help and kept getting turned away.

Kimberly Rodriguez51 said:The Chamber and the inspectors should handle it within a week, assuming the index info is actually right.
I mean, I don't think you've quite got the full picture here. There’s no way that doctor messed up the diagnosis; she could see the kid was going into septic shock just by looking at him at the door.
And we aren't talking about an "act of God" situation—it's more like the parents were literally screaming for help and just kept getting sent home.

Just another tabloid story, I guess—but hey, you're making assumptions, and honestly, I'm not even doing that.

How do you spot sepsis just by standing in a doorway? Like, do people with sepsis just die at every age while being monitored in a controlled hospital setting?!?

An "act of God" would be if things went south right after the kid left the building. I always feel like people think I'm some kind of weirdo because I don't think we should crucify professionals—people pass away, it's heavy, but what's the point of constantly tearing apart a team working under those kinds of conditions? If there's actual liability, then let there be sanctions—but based on what I've read, it shouldn't be a lynch mob on the street deciding things; it should be the medical experts.

Look, you can either pretend you’ve actually read most of the articles in this thread, or just admit you're having a hard time following along.
I’m not trying to go on a witch hunt here, I just want to point out where things clearly went wrong.
It honestly burns me up when people get all worked up at the first person who finally realizes how bad it is that they wouldn't let her have an IV or oxygen in her own room, even though the ER was only 15 seconds away. And then you have people acting like it's perfectly fine that a kid with a fever on antibiotics had to be sent back twice last weekend, lecturing us on how we need to "understand" that the ER doesn't have a lab running on weekends.
TWICE.

P.S. If you actually look through those articles, it says the doctor spotted sepsis just by looking at her—the poor kid was lethargic, confused, turning blue around the edges, and struggling to breathe.

Kimberly Rodriguez51 said:Seven, or maybe you're just lying to yourself thinking you actually read all those articles on this thread, or maybe there's just a major misunderstanding here.

I mean, I did say I checked out the related links available... maybe like three of them. It's not exactly an ocean of info, and honestly, I don't really see what else I'm supposed to be looking for.

I'm not trying to crucify anyone, really, but I am trying to point out where things might have gone wrong.
And it kind of burns me up when the first person who finally realizes how much it sucks for a kid to have little things like IV fluids or oxygen kept away from their room—when the ER is literally fifteen seconds away—gets yelled at. Meanwhile, people are writing stuff about how we should just "understand" that the ER doesn't have a lab available on weekends, even though they sent a feverish kid back twice over the weekend while they were already on antibiotics.
TWICE.

Two things here. First, someone is definitely being criticized for forming an opinion based solely on news reports—and I don't mean Luz, but I do see a whole mob of idiots in the comments ready to grab torches and start a riot. Second, the working conditions... I was talking about that. When it comes down to actually budgeting to make sure these things are covered, everyone suddenly goes silent or turns against it.

P.s. in that sea of articles, it also mentions how the doctor spotted sepsis just by looking at her—the child was lethargic, confused, had blue tinting around the edges, and was struggling to breathe.

I don't know about any swelling, but everything else sounds like the flu... which, if I understood correctly, she was already on meds for?

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Blue tint around the edges, not swelling. Blue fingers, narrow nose.
First off, people with the flu can usually still stand, walk, breathe, and talk just fine.
Second, he wasn't on flu meds; he was on an antibiotic from his pediatrician since Friday, which was clearly the wrong call if he was still acting crazy and feeling miserable through Saturday and Sunday.
Which brings us right back to the ER.
And it goes to show that even when you don't have a clue about what's actually happening in a case, you're still out here arguing anyway.

Drew Ross2 said:—and to top it all off, he stood there at the pulpit claiming she was innocent 🙏
which is a whole other level of audacity 🐔

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briskbison55 said:Just wait, you'll have doctors coming in from all over—Ghana, Gambia, even Mexico. Just watch how it goes.

Well, hopefully those folks from Ghana at least learned how to wear gloves properly...😁

My Chuck number two decided to eat some cat crap while we were out on a walk, and now the entire apartment reeks.🙂 🤣
How am I supposed to wash her mouth out with soap?

Fuj 🤣