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It’s really just about how none of that message actually seemed to sink in with them.

Anthony Wood3 said:Seriously? 👍
Letting "our beloved Boston Red Sox" take the lead while they run the show—we all know they aren't winning a damn thing.

Keep dreaming.

Refereeing experts are claiming those 2nd and 3rd goals in the derby were totally illegal. Honestly, how many derbies have been handed to the LA Dodgers on a silver platter? Is that even normal? From a human perspective—just think about it for one second.

Look, we don't necessarily need to win everything, but when this kind of stuff happens, it just fuels our spite and madness—and honestly, it’s why more and more of us show up to the games. That sense of injustice they’ve shoved down the throats of Boston Red Sox fans isn't some accident.

The NBA isn't some holy grail, and especially not the club's sports policy, which—let's be real—has been proven to be absolute garbage. We've seen way too much terrible football and mediocre players pass through the Boston Red Sox over the last few years, and that's just a straight-up fact.

Part of the problem is that we're incompetent ourselves because we can't maintain a powerhouse roster, but part of it is that we're getting screwed by the refs, the USSF, and even the Cleveland Locomotive, which basically acts as a feeder system for the LA Dodgers' first squad. Because of all that, you should probably just strip away all those titles you're celebrating right now—since they're all products of Mamic. Until yesterday, you guys even called it a private filth operation yourselves.

Did you seriously forget about the Cleveland Locomotive—your own little feeder team?

Go ahead, keep mocking the NBA and the Ultras, while every single newspaper is buzzing for days about how Mamic junior is returning to the LA Dodgers.

The Ultras group, who have endured every bit of that torture I just listed, would definitely speak up about this—but you guys aren't stupid, you're just pretending to be blind. But hey, that's your business. Your problems that somehow aren't problems anymore. Man, how fast things change.

The Boston Red Sox have their own issues, and the Ultras remain a force to be reckoned with, even if sometimes they can't see the forest for the trees with all that hooligan nonsense and whatever else.

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It's just that they seemingly didn't take the message to heart at all...

The Board of Directors picks the leadership, and then the leadership picks the Board—it’s just three little stars on a jersey, I suppose—and Casey Myers29 is absolutely thrilled about it! Honestly, it seems like you guys are just satisfied with 🍿👍

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It is simply a matter of them failing to take the hint.

And now the NBA is invoking Hell, despite the fact that just last week they claimed everything was perfectly handled by the referee at their youth game, while those fans were whining and hysterical like women going through menopause with schizophrenia and ten grams of cocaine up their noses. Every sane person stands against the mafia, but you people have reached an entirely new level of absurdity, which is exactly why you deserve to be roasted. Honestly, I couldn't care less.

vividmarlin192 said:And this NBA guy is invoking Hell—the same Hell he was talking about last week when he claimed the ref at their youth game got everything perfectly right, while those kids were just whining and hysterical like a woman going through menopause with schizophrenia and ten grams of coke up her nose... I mean, look, any sane person is against the mafia, but you guys have reached some kind of new low, which is why you need to be shut down... honestly, who gives a damn

Look, what you call schizophrenia, we call a deep sense of injustice that’s settled right into our bones. Maybe things got a little heated regarding those kids, sure, but it sends a message to both the USSF and those children—it shows them that someone actually has their back.

You could also look at it this way.

You've got people who organized themselves at 5:00 AM to throw a massive welcome party for the kids in the middle of a weekday, and the organization was top-notch. The turnout, the energy, all of it... it speaks volumes about the strength behind this madness.

And now, following that feeling of being cheated—where you rob us again by two goals—you decide to send *that* kind of message.

And you conveniently forget that your club brutally robbed us and San Francisco in two straight cup finals.

Seriously, are you guys even sane? Let's stick to the facts here, without bringing in the kids or all that emotional demagoguery.

I’ve always been all for the rivalry between the Red Sox and the Dodgers, but I was never about that whole "blood on the pavement" nonsense—you know, just attacking people who can't even defend themselves. Like what happened today, attacking some guy just standing at a bus stop, totally oblivious to everything going on around him. Honestly, I’m just glad my aunt got to enjoy her homemade soup and some cookies before all this chaos. So, these thugs pull up in a van and a car, hesitating for maybe ten seconds because they aren't wearing a Fred Perry cap or a Stone Island jacket and some New Balance sneakers. Can you believe it? Some "city slicker" trying to play psychological games with us—though I guess I'm not sure if he even knew what he was doing. As soon as things get heated, he puts on his official hooligan uniform like he's Superman and starts swinging. It’s pathetic, really—to go after some regular guy who hasn't even left the country, just to crack his skull open and beat him senseless. I’ve been a fan since '83, and people know me. I could never quite bring myself to truly brutalize someone during those scuffles. I served with the 4th Brigade out in the field, but what happened yesterday to that man... it honestly stirs up that old, dark feeling people say we should imagine. I mean, coming into Washington D.C. and not even targeting the Dodgers fans, but just attacking local citizens? Just because he lives in the city? You should actually go look at that man—he went through it. Was he supposed to have a gun? If he did, then he’d be a real maniac. I swear, screw anyone who laid a hand on him. You could see from the plane that he wasn't even a real fan.

casualwolf48 said:I’ve always been all for the rivalry between the Boston Red Sox and the LA Dodgers, but I was never one for bloodthirsty madness—you know, the kind where people are beaten while they're already down on the pavement and all that nonsense. But attacking a guy today who’s just standing at a station waiting for a bus, completely oblivious to the chaos unfolding around him? That's different. I feel lucky that my aunt had some homemade soup ready and plenty of cookies left for later. A group of thugs pulls up in a van and a car, hesitating for maybe ten seconds because the guy wasn't wearing a Fred Perry cap and shirt, a Stone Island jacket, or New Balance sneakers. Just imagine the sheer audacity of those city types trying to play psychological games with us. One minute they aren't involved, the next they are. As soon as things kick off, they throw on their official hooligan uniforms like Superman and start swinging. It's disgraceful. To target some regular guy—someone who hasn't even left his home state, let alone joined a gang—just to crack his skull open and beat him senseless... it's wrong. I've been a supporter since '83, and people know me. I could never bring myself to truly brutalize someone in those scraps. I served with the 4th Brigade on the front lines, but what happened yesterday, targeting that man, stirs up that old, dark instinct they try to make you believe is necessary. They come into Washington D.C. and instead of going after the Dodgers fans, they go after the citizens of the city. Simply because he lives there. You should actually look into this guy; he went through hell. Did he need a gun? If he had one, he would have been labeled a maniac. Honestly, damn the people who laid a hand on him. From the footage, it was obvious he wasn't a fan.

That right there is exactly why the law, the police, and the courts treat football hooliganism with such much more severity than other types of altercations. On an average month in the US, if someone gets jumped in a bar or a nightclub, you might not even see the news coverage. However, when it's a clash involving fans, it triggers this massive reaction from you and many others, which then leads to people trying to rationalize or justify the beating of some random guy from out of town. It's a perfectly natural reaction, and I suspect many of us would probably think the same way if the roles were reversed. Honestly, I feel for the guy. If he were a die-hard fan, I'd feel just as bad seeing him get wrecked like that, regardless of which side he was on.

There is only one real reason why these things should be moved to an open field, but I suppose you need actual training and a bit more guts to pull that off.

lonefox22 said:Referees are claiming goals two and three were irregular during the derby. I wonder how many derbies have been handed to the LA Dodgers on a silver platter. Is this normal? From a human perspective, just think about it for a second.

Look, we don't necessarily need to win everything, but when things like this happen, it just fuels our spite and madness, driving more of us to the games. That sense of injustice they’ve forced upon the Boston Red Sox fans isn't an accident.

The NBA isn't some holy grail, and the club's sports policy is demonstrably terrible. Too much bad football and too many bad players have passed through the Red Sox over the last few years; that is simply a fact.

Partly, we are incompetent ourselves for not having a strong Red Sox, and partly, we are being crippled by referees, the USSF, and the Cleveland Locomotive, which acts as a filter for the LA Dodgers' first team.Because of that, all those titles you're celebrating now should be stripped away, since they are the work of Mamic. Just yesterday, you called it a private filth organization.

Have you forgotten the Cleveland Locomotive—your own Cleveland Locomotive?

Go ahead and mock the NBA and the Ultras, while every newspaper spends days buzzing about how Mamic junior is returning to the LA Dodgers.

An Ultras group that has endured all those mentioned tortures would normally speak up about this, but you aren't stupid; you're just pretending to be blind. But those are your affairs. They are your problems, which seemingly aren't problems anymore. It's amazing how quickly things change..

The Red Sox have their issues, but the Ultras remain a force, even if they occasionally fail to see the forest for the trees with all that maximum hooliganism and nonsense.

With this, you've touched on some of the most significant reasons why many Dodger fans—and perhaps even the Boys (who actually use their own brains)—are no longer attending matches.
Essentially, any real fight against the USSF has ceased, as has the struggle against the Club Management (except for DTMS, who deserve credit). Instead, there's been this push to cheer for that artificial construct, once rightfully called the "MLS Team filth," and the state of the club is just as bad, if not worse, than when Mamic was physically present.
And now, as the icing on the cake, comes the message from the association that shares the same honest goals of returning the club to the fans as DTMS does—an association that managed to bring order to its own club, regardless of its flaws.
To be completely realistic, at least they have a club, even if they manage it poorly, whereas we are distanced from ours by miles.
From the proud years of fighting Mamic and everything corrupt within the club and the USSF, we have drifted into this unbelievable wandering, where some "brilliant" mind decided that the main enemies of the BBB are the opposing fan groups, directing all our energy into these forced rivalries.
Don't get me wrong, I'm always for a rivalry, but in a situation like this, where an even bigger mafia than Mamic's is about to take over our club and the return of the younger Mamic is being teased, the focus really ought to be elsewhere.

velvetmoose30 said:You basically hit on the main reasons why a lot of Dodger fans—and even some of the Boys who actually use their brains—just stop showing up to games.
The fight against the USSF has basically evaporated, and now the Club Management (aside from DTMS, who deserve credit) is trying to force us to cheer for this artificial mess once known as "MLS Team filth." The state of the club is just as bad, if not worse, than when Mamic was physically running the show.
To top it all off, we’re getting messages from an association that shares the exact same honest goals as DTMS—trying to get the club back into the hands of the fans—and they've actually managed to fix their own organization, flaws and all.
Let's be real: at least they actually have a club to run, even if they mess it up sometimes. We, on the other hand, feel miles away from anything we can call our own.
We went from those proud years of fighting Mamic and everything rotten in the club and the USSF, to this bizarre wandering phase where some "genius" decided that the biggest threat to the BBB is actually a rival fan group, wasting all our energy on forced petty rivalries.
Don't get me wrong, I'm always down for a rivalry, but when a mafia even more intense than Mamic's is about to seize control of the club and we're hearing rumors about his kid returning to lead the charge, our focus should probably be elsewhere.

It blows my mind that there are still fans celebrating titles in such a broken league while waiting for the team to actually become a real football club again. I hate this MLS Team, but I love the Dodgers!

velvetmoose30 said:With this, you've highlighted some of the core reasons why many Dodger fans—and even the Boys (who actually use their own brains)—aren't bothering to show up for matches anymore.
Basically, any real fight against the USSF has died down, and I’d go as far as saying the Club Management (except for DTMS, who deserve nothing but respect) has started forcing people to cheer for this artificial construct, which used to be rightfully called "MLS Team filth," while the state of the club remains just as bad, if not worse, than when Mamic was physically running the show.
And now, to top it all off, we get a message from an association whose goals (in terms of honestly returning the club to the fans) are identical to those of DTMS, a group that actually managed to bring order to their own organization, despite whatever flaws they might have.
Let's be brutally honest: at least they actually own a club, even if they manage it poorly, whereas we have been distanced from our own by miles.
We went from those proud years of fighting Mamic and everything rotten within the club and the USSF, to this unbelievable wandering phase, where some "brilliant" mind decided that the main enemies of the BBB are currently rival fan groups, directing all our energy into these forced rivalries.
Don't get me wrong, I'm always all for a good rivalry, but in a situation like this—where an even bigger mafia than Mamic's is about to seize control of the club, and rumors of a younger Mamic returning are swirling—our focus really ought to be elsewhere.

And what do you all think DTMS is? Every single one of them is a prominent member of the BBB.
Clearly, none of you seem to get it.

I think DTMS has put out enough statements now that it’s pretty obvious why they're pushing such a positive narrative. To claim it isn't clear feels almost dishonest.

As for those still boycotting, they have every right to stay away. I haven't seen anyone pointing fingers at them.

Jesse Doyle3 said:And who do you think the DTMS are? Every single one of them is a prominent member of the BBB.
I suppose none of you collectively seem to grasp the situation.

You have essentially cherry-picked a parenthetical remark from my entire post where I was perhaps being imprecise regarding the DTMS. My apologies for that, as clearly, that is the crux of the issue.

velvetmoose30 said:You’ve cherry-picked a single parenthetical remark where I was admittedly vague about the FBI. My apologies for that; clearly, that lack of precision is the crux of our misunderstanding.

Your entire argument boils down to the idea that the group just turned a blind eye to everything, effectively ending any opposition toward the league and the front office—with the exception of the FBI.
I am attempting to explain exactly who the FBI is. I'll leave it to you to draw your own conclusions about what that implies.

velvetmoose30 said:You actually hit on some of the real reasons why a lot of Dinamo fans—and even some Boys who actually use their brains—aren't showing up for games anymore.
Basically, any real fight against the USSF or the club management (well, except for DTSM, huge respect to them) has just died out. Instead, they’re trying to force people to cheer for this total sham of a club, which used to be called "GNK prčija" for good reason, and the situation at the club is just as bad, if not worse, than when Mamić was running the show in person.
And now, to top it all off, we get this message from an association that shares the exact same honest goals as DTSM—trying to give the club back to the fans—and they actually managed to clean up their own act, flaws and all.
Let's be brutally honest here: at least they actually *own* a club, even if they run it poorly. Meanwhile, we’re miles away from our own team.
We went from those proud years fighting Mamić and everything rotten in the club and the USSF, to this insane drifting phase where some "genius" decided that the main enemies for the BBB are now rival fan groups, wasting all our energy on these forced little skirmishes.
Don't get me wrong, I'm always down for a rivalry, but in a situation like this—where some mafia even bigger than Mamić is about to take over the club and word is the younger Mamić is coming back—our focus should be somewhere else entirely.

1. A lot of Dinamo fans and Boys aren't going to games because they simply don't give a damn. They can look for excuses and try to rationalize it all they want, but the truth is, they just don't care anymore.

2. The fight against the USSF and the club management happens on the terraces. If you want anyone to actually listen to your demands or your protest songs, you need 1,000 people there against Gorica, not a handful of 100 forced attendees. DTSM is the tool we use to fight those battles.

3. That message was a straight-up provocation. They’re singing "Vole Bandić" at the welcome for the youth academy kids who just lost to Osijek. On the banners calling for match attendance, they’re putting ZG=bg. Take the message for what it is: a provocation that worked, since we've been dealing with the drama for three days now.

You guys are getting into a heated debate over what is essentially just a provocative message. The whole point of these things is to stir the pot—it's always someone else's fault, isn't it? Let’s be real: the Boys are never going to praise ZM in any positive light. Personally, I am all for DTSM, but whether it's NH or the "Collapse" message, or even this one, it's all just provocation. Any rational fan out there is simply fighting for a transparent club and for the sake of football itself. We could spend our time pushing the narrative that ZG equals BG, or making jokes about the "San Diego Zoo: Etto, Chago, da Silva" back when Dinamo was bringing in foreign players while Hajduk wasn't. What are we supposed to say now, given their current roster?
If you ask me, I wouldn't have gone with "Maybe it's Mamić?"—even if the intended impact was lost—but I'd have chosen something else. However, watching people create all this drama over the metaphors used in the message—while constantly complaining that they are the ones being victimized, when in reality they are mostly responsible for their own mess—is honestly laughable.

Let's be realistic: someone is going to show up here playing both sides of the fence, and frankly, both perspectives are quite difficult to dismiss—especially the first one. There will always be mistakes, and my impression is that there are more than enough of them to go around. But to exaggerate everything—particularly regarding the youth academy finals and insulting everything associated with Chicago—is nothing short of a joke.

1 member = 1 vote

And yeah, sure, I’ll just go to a match and act like everything is fine.
But no—it’s not about celebrating trophies or anything like that.

When people talk about boycotts—that’s just not an effective way to fight back.
If we’re sitting there in the stands—why even bother showing up when the club is in this kind of state?

Everyone sees things differently, I get that. No two people have the exact same perspective on all of this.
As for Dinamo? There isn't another club out there that has faced this much injustice or been treated like a plaything by everyone involved. You can debate every little detail if you want, but honestly, I’d much rather deal with a bad refereeing call anywhere else than endure what’s happening to "my" club right now. Being a Dinamo fan isn't easy.

1 member = 1 vote

Frank Jackson76 said:1. A lot of Dinamo fans and the Boys just don't show up to matches because they simply don't give a damn. They can come up with whatever excuses or logic they want, but I suppose it’s really just pure apathy.

2. The fight against the USSF and the club management is, among other things, fought from the stands. For anyone to actually be heard—for your demands or protest songs to carry any weight—you need maybe a thousand people at a game against Gorica, not a strained hundred. DTSM is the tool we use to wage those battles.

3. The message is clearly a provocation. They’re singing about loving Bandić during the welcome for the youth players who just lost to Osijek. On the banners calling for match attendance, they write ZG=BG. You should probably just take the message for what it is: a provocation that worked, given how much drama has been brewing over it for three days.

Suddenly, it’s no longer acceptable to stand against the absolute mess that is this club, and instead, we're expected to celebrate "European successes," bought championships, and the like.
The whole "Chicago celebrates" narrative is being pushed now, even though until yesterday, we were mocking their little title celebrations attended by barely a hundred members of that management's inner circle.
It’s unfortunate, but I guess we are becoming just like the very people who spent years spitting on us while standing behind their great leader, Zdravko.
There used to be times when fewer than a hundred people showed up to games, yet there was still a sense of struggle and proud resistance against the state of the club and American soccer. It seems that’s just not the vibe anymore, which is a shame.
Regarding the message itself... they once mocked their own Code, yet when we fought for our own code—meaning the ZZD—we endured years of torment from ZM, the system, and everything else.
Now, they are mocking the association of members and fans who actually managed to bring the club back under its own control. Instead of supporting this style of governance, they’re pushing a message that mocks the exact same structure we dream of having one day. In short, it's basically saying "screw your one member, one vote" approach, despite them constantly blaming Mamić and the refs while being completely incompetent themselves.
There is a difference between posting a banner mocking a past action where the other side came out on top, and mocking the actual organizational structure of the club that you ultimately want for yourself.
As for them writing ZG=BG or singing about loving Bandić, I suppose that just speaks to their deep-seated complexes.

Putting a message like that up on that damn North Stand—especially when it’s just some hateful slur displayed right there—while simultaneously sabotaging everything we've built is easily one of the worst moves since the group split (if not in the top three)... I honestly don't care which moron came up with the idea or which idiot gave it the green light, but this is absolute rock bottom.

And I see plenty of people on this forum acting like they're clueless, pretending they don't understand why everyone is making such a huge fuss about this... give me a break. The state of the club and American soccer is a total disaster right now, so why did we even bother with those joint protests a few years back anyway?

Honestly, I'm just incredibly relieved I'm not involved in all this drama anymore, because I truly don't see the point in all this worrying lately... what's the main goal now, just filming people running around a field? Seriously, look at how far things have fallen; it's honestly exhausting.

casualwolf48 said:Look, I’ve always been all for the rivalry between Hajduk and Dinamo, but I’ve never been down for the bloodthirsty stuff—you know, beating people while they're down on the ground and all that garbage. But attacking some guy today who’s just standing at a bus stop, totally oblivious to what’s happening around him? That's just wrong. Honestly, thank God he’d stuffed himself with his aunt's homemade soup and some cookies earlier, or he might not have had the energy to deal with this. So you've got these thugs in a van and a car, hesitating for maybe ten seconds because the guy wasn't rocking a Fred Perry cap and shirt, a Stone Island jacket, or New Balance kicks. Can you believe the nerve? They actually tried to play some psychological game with us, trying to bait us into a reaction. It didn't work. As soon as things kick off, they suit up in their official hooligan uniforms like they're Superman and start swinging. It’s pathetic. To target some regular guy—someone who hasn't even left the country, just living his life—and think he deserves to have his skull cracked and be beaten senseless? I’ve been a fan since '83, and people know my face. I’ve never been the type to go full psycho in those brawls. I even served with the 4th Brigade out in the field, but what happened yesterday, targeting that man... it really stirs up that old resentment toward the kind of people who want you to turn into a monster. I mean, coming into the city and instead of going after Dinamo fans, you go after the local citizens? Just because he lives here? Go look at the guy. He went through hell. Did he need to have a gun on him? If he did, then he would've been a total maniac. Seriously, screw everyone who laid a hand on him. You could see from the footage that he wasn't even a fan.

That’s a straight-up disaster right there. I don't think anyone has ever been caught totally off guard and targeted like that before (and no, it’s not the same thing as torching a random van with the wrong plates)

Christian Miller48 said:I am honestly just relieved I am no longer involved in all that drama. There is absolutely no point in stressing over any of this today.

That is a great idea. Just watch the chess moves and you will have nothing to worry about.👍