Bad Boys

Paul Sanchez15 said:The real question is why they’re letting people back in who were actually responsible for all of that...

Which people specifically are being let back in?
As for that pale piece of trash you mentioned, you're just spreading poison and lies on this forum because it's all you have left. You've got a personality disorder and you're nothing but a pathological liar.

Tyler Jackson56 said:What kind of nonsense are you talking? The people who took money from their mommy are sitting back, sipping drinks, and enjoying themselves alongside today's leadership. Nobody attacked anyone during those five years of war in N., nobody attacked P., and they won't. So why are these kids being blamed for fighting someone else's war? Why are these kids getting attacked twenty times more than the former leaders—people who haven't been touched by a single criticism and are actually hanging out with them now? That's the whole point of what's been happening in this group over the last few years. Everything is possible when you want it to be, including making peace with the very people you're supposedly at war with. Look at the latest example: a guy from Vienna was invited back to the forum, which is obviously a good thing..

Sometimes someone just overestimates themselves. They think they have more power or influence on this forum than they actually do, so they start picking fights without even realizing who they're dealing with or why.
Then they keep spreading poison, and once they become an outcast, they play the victim.

Alright then, let's get to it. Why don't we talk about who's taking money from their mommy and rubbing elbows with the "leadership"? Come on, man, man up and let's settle this in three calls. Let's get together today and call out everyone who hangs out with the leadership and takes cash from their mommy.

Then come back tomorrow and write about how it went, because I’m genuinely curious about which specific people we're talking about.

Feel free to drop names and say exactly who they are if you want. If not, I will. But only if it's the truth.
We shouldn't be spreading slander or calling people out blindly.

Paul Sanchez15 said:That specific guy never actually went looking for trouble with kids around town. He was mostly just breaking teeth of people who had dropped way too much cash on the group—we're talking a 10-to-1 ratio or something like that. So, honestly, unless you have a personal grudge against him, nobody really had an issue with his actions.
But the real question is... why are they letting other people back in who actually *did* all that stuff?

If you were the one getting trampled by them, you'll either get even or you won't.
Is that fair?

wiredpilot28 said:The people who fought them—they’ll either pay them back or they won't.
Is that fair?

Preach.

It’s honestly such a bizarre, delusional situation. You have one group accusing someone of inciting people to fight battles that aren't even theirs, while the other side claims they're just talking to "hired guns" or that certain people have crawled back into the spotlight. It’s the exact SAME people being slammed for two completely opposite things. And of course, this is all playing out online, on this very same forum that was basically a breeding ground for hate and malice ten years ago—the same place where nothing but slander and lies used to circulate.

Does anyone happen to have a better video clip from the Bad Boys corner?

Got it. Send me an email.

Paul Sanchez15 said:You make a good point.

The problem is that this makes it look like there actually are secret deals happening, which just isn't true. When people start throwing around these slanderous rumors about backroom deals, anyone can act like an idiot and say whatever they want—especially since most of them weren't even part of the conversation to begin with.

It’s things like this that get blown out of proportion online. It's honestly a joke that people allow this to happen when they claim to care about the group. You've got guys who have only been following the team for two or three seasons, totally out of the loop, just speculating and spreading rumors. They're poisoning the well constantly, whether they realize they're doing it or not.

wiredpilot28 said:Of course they can’t and don’t know how. Honestly? They should be absolutely ashamed to even open their mouths. I mean, how can someone from "over there" try to lecture us when they’re out there bringing a literal handgun to a backyard brawl? We’re talking about people who stab their rivals in the chest, or toss a Molotov cocktail into a neighbor's yard just to prove which neighborhood they own—and then, just when they’re losing the fight, they go and pull a gun on the other guy just to leave some graffiti behind. It's insane!

And then they have the nerve to sit there acting all high and mighty, lecturing us about hate, poor animals, and axes—as if that's even relevant! I mean, seriously? It’s not like those Bad Boys were out there swinging axes at moving vans while driving down the highway!

Man, you really started talking a whole lot of crap here.

Honestly, you aren't any better than he is with this whole story. Actually, you’re probably worse—mostly because you're likely sitting over there somewhere, completely out of touch. I mean, do you even have a clue who you're dealing with here? Like, can you even process what people are actually saying to you? You’ve basically just taken some nonsense stories from Mexican internet trolls and random forum fanatics, mixed them in with those biased media reports you guys love, and now you're trying to whip up this weird little "fanboy cocktail" to justify it all. It’s just... it's wild. You’re taking bits of things that actually happened and stitching them together with total fabrications—stuff that never even took place—just because you caught a glimpse of it online and thought, "Hey, this would be perfect for scoring points against a Mexican on a forum." It's low. Seriously, you should be embarrassed to be posting such blatant lies online like this.
Look, you wouldn't even be posting this here if it weren't about someone who actually carries weight back in Chicago—or at least, that’s how you're trying to act. It’s honestly a shame, really, because people like you just swallow whatever garbage they read on Facebook or some random news feed, and I guess that explains why your own results are so pathetic. You should be focusing on how those guys treated you—how they acted when they were right there in Chicago with you—and how none of their dirty laundry ever surfaced. Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know about their character? You should be looking at how they handled things with you after years of hatred, online trolling, and being incited by the public... that ought to be your only metric for judging them! But no, instead, you try to lecture us. You don't know the first thing about what's going on between fans over in Mexico, so why on earth are you trying to use stuff you don't understand as "points" or arguments in these online debates? Especially when you're someone who supposedly has actual influence back home—if you even have any. Seriously, if someone with your supposed status is falling for biased media takes and Facebook fanboy analysis, what hope is there for anyone else? People like you should be doing some actual thinking and reflecting instead of just spreading lies online about what’s actually happening within the Mexican fan scene. Just stop.

Jonathan Hayes76, seriously—just stop posting here already.

I didn't come to an American forum just to lecture you guys on the ethics of using knives and axes, or to make comparisons between our fans and yours based on a single video clip and one isolated incident.

Maybe some of these cases aren't entirely true, or maybe they're only half-true, but I still don't get why you're here trying to tell us that it's all just fake news and journalistic hype.
Do you honestly think we're stupid? Or do you think Mexico is on another continent and that someone who actually follows the scene wouldn't be able to grasp what kind of fans you guys are?
Can't you apply that same logic to your own backyard instead of commenting on other stadiums based solely on what you read or see online? Like recently, when you jumped to the conclusion—I'm not even sure where you got it from—that only a small portion of fans were actually for or against the owner... I mean, surely as a fan, you can at least get a general sense of who stands for what.

You guys admitted yourselves that there's an issue with people using weapons to hurt others, and I respect you for saying that. It’s especially notable because, over here in the States, most people just bury their heads in the sand and pretend we aren't dealing with similar stuff. You're openly discussing the problem and showing on your own stands that you recognize it exists... nobody just made that up.

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placidcobra91 said:Honestly, you aren't doing much better than him with this whole argument. If anything, you might actually be worse, since you're probably just sitting over there in your neck of the woods...

hahaha, are you new around here?
Look, that guy is just some keyboard warrior from the north stands; he doesn't have anything to do with the Blue Jays 😉

wiredpilot28 said:I didn't come to an American forum to preach morality about using axes and knives, nor did I come here to draw comparisons between your fans and ours based on a single video clip or one isolated incident.

Maybe some of these cases aren't entirely true, or they're only half-true at best, but I still don't get why you're even here—trying to lecture us by claiming all of this is just fiction or a product of sensationalist journalism.
Do you honestly think we’re idiots? Or do you think Mexico is on another continent, somehow making your fan culture incomprehensible to anyone who actually pays attention?
Why don't you apply that same logic to yourselves? Why don't you stop commenting on what's happening in other stadiums based solely on what you read or hear? Like recently, when you jumped to the conclusion—God knows from what basis—that only a fraction of the fans support Mamić... Or can you actually recognize the vibe of a crowd, even roughly, since you're a fan too?

You guys admitted it yourselves: there's a massive problem with people using weapons to stab and maim others. That deserves respect, especially because over here in the States, people are mostly burying their heads in the sand, refusing to admit we aren't much different from you. You're talking about the issue openly and showing on your own stands that you're aware of it... nobody made that up.

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You clearly didn't read my first point with any actual comprehension. You responded with whatever weirdly twisted logic you felt like using, so I won't even bother replying to that. I don't have the luxury of being "polite" to you the way you try to be to me. I guess that's just a difference in civilization.

And then you claimed the difference is that in Mexico, there's enough awareness that people actually revolt or try to fight against bad things. You said it in such a tone that despite you using the word "respect," it still comes off as something negative.
Look, just pull your heads out of the sand. What's so controversial about that? Even if you personally lack influence, there are plenty of people in the media and online who actually have it.

Or maybe you're just feeling a bit rattled because you can't hide how much everything looks like the very thing you spend your entire life spitting on and hating. From the local scene to your social circles and even the clubs... if it's easier for you, just project everything bad about your own world onto Mexicans. If that's how you chose to interpret it, fine.

wiredpilot28 said:Look, I didn't come to this American forum just to lecture everyone on the ethics of using axes and knives—honestly, why would I even do that? I'm certainly not here to sit around making sweeping comparisons between how things work over there versus how we do them here just because of one single video clip and one isolated little incident. That’s just not how it works, right?

Look, maybe some of these stories aren't 100% true—maybe they're only half-true at best—but I still don't get why you even showed up here. What's the goal? Are you really here just to lecture us that it's all just fiction and nothing more than some manufactured media narrative? Because honestly, I'm lost.
Do you honestly think we're all just mindless idiots? Or do you think Mexico is located on some completely different continent? Because if you've been paying even the slightest bit of attention to what's going on, it should be painfully obvious—like, glaringly obvious—what kind of people you fans actually are. Seriously, how do you even justify yourselves?
Can you maybe apply that same logic to yourself for once? Like, instead of commenting on what's happening over at other stadiums based just on whatever you happen to read, see, or hear online—could you maybe hold back? I mean, take that recent call you made—I honestly have no clue where you even got it from—where you decided that only some fans are actually behind Mamić while others are against him... Is that really how it works? Or, I don't know, are you supposed to be a true fan who can instinctively tell exactly where everyone stands, even if it's just a rough guess?

Look, you guys actually admitted it yourselves—there’s a massive issue with people using all sorts of garbage that ends up hurting and maiming others. And honestly? I respect you for calling it out. It’s just frustrating because, for now, most people here in America are just burying their heads in the sand, totally refusing to realize that we aren't exactly light-years ahead of this mess either. But you—you're actually talking about the problem! You're showing everyone in the stands that you're aware of what's going on... and let's be real, nobody just "invented" this issue out of thin air, right? It's real.

I can't quite make out what's going on in this photo—it looks like a blurry shot from a stadium or something? Honestly, it’s hard to tell if it’s a group of fans or just some random crowd in the stands. Is it supposed to be a specific moment from the game, or just a snapshot of the atmosphere? It's pretty tough to decipher without more context!

Look, you didn't even show up to an American forum, yet here you are acting like you're some kind of genius—just exploiting the fact that you can write to play these weird characters instead of just banning them from the thread! But you won't do it, right? No, because it’s way too much fun for you to keep him around just so you can keep feeding off his nonsense. Except, here's the thing—it isn't just "nonsense" anymore. We're talking about serious accusations and straight-up lies coming from someone who actually holds weight on the sidelines. And get this—one of our own guys already told you guys right here that he has absolutely no intention of deleting his garbage.

Look, I’m not trying to lecture anyone here—really, I'm not—I'm just trying to point out that you’ve fallen hook, line, and sinker for the rhetoric coming from those internet trolls and the mainstream media. It honestly blows my mind, because if you actually look closely, you can feel the weight of all those media spin cycles, the blatant lies, the deception, and that whole toxic, loudmouth fan culture on your own back. Some of the stuff people claim happened is pure fiction—total make-believe—but some of it is unfortunately very real. And the way you’ve stitched this whole argument together? It’s clearly just the byproduct of listening to media agitators, those obnoxious idiots in Facebook fan groups, and the general crop of online haters who just love to stir the pot. On top of all that, it feels like you don't quite grasp how things actually work on the ground over in Mexico.

I honestly don't know if you guys are just being dense or what—because seriously, how can you be this dim when you construct these arguments? You’re out here peddling lies and making these massive, serious accusations, riding the wave of internet trolls and those super insecure, brainwashed sports fanatics. It's exhausting! You weren't even talking about the actual character of Mexican fans—you were veering into much more dangerous territory. That kind of stuff is incredibly harmful, especially when it’s coming from someone who acts like they have authority but clearly doesn't actually understand the situation on the ground. You really shouldn't allow yourself to write about things this way when you don't truly get the context.

Look, if I didn't apply that same standard to my own life, I wouldn't have the right to say a single word to anyone else—period. You’ve got me all mixed up with someone else there, honestly. Even that conclusion you're trying to pin on me—which, by the way, isn't even mine—is way more harmless and general than the absolute mess you just cooked up here. They aren't even in the same league! It's like comparing apples to oranges; there's just no comparison at all. And let's be real—you didn't even quote me properly. You just ripped a piece out of context to make your point. Since you clearly spend a lot of time lurking around the internet, I'm sure you stumbled upon those other rants about the feud between the Bad Boys and Mamić. If you're looking for more material, maybe try checking out some of those old forums from Belgrade—I bet you'd find plenty to read there.

Look, nobody invented the issues within the fan scene over in Mexico—those problems are very much real. They exist every single day, honestly, even as I’m sitting here typing this out. But you didn't actually address the genuine, deep-seated issues happening within the Mexican supporter culture. Instead, you're spinning tales about things that either never happened or taking stuff that *did* happen and twisting it into these weird, manufactured scenarios. You're just recycling junk you picked up from the internet, Facebook, or some sensationalist news outlets—stuff cooked up by trolls, agitators, and those people who just love to stir the pot and act like the sworn enemies of all organized fandom.

placidcobra91 said:You didn't show up to an American forum just to play the victim and exploit the posts of some random losers instead of getting them banned. But you won't, because it’s more fun for you to keep them around so you can keep feeding off their nonsense. Except now, it’s not just nonsense—it’s serious accusations and lies coming from someone who actually carries weight in the stands. Someone from the group already told you right here that they aren't going to delete his stupidity.

I’m not trying to lecture anyone. I’m just pointing out that you’ve completely swallowed the rhetoric of internet barkers and the mainstream media. It’s honestly hard to believe, considering you feel the sting of those same media outlets, the lies, the deception, and the pathetic fan culture on your own skin. Some things that happened unfortunately aren't fiction, even if they are exactly how you described them. And the way you’ve pieced this together is just a product of listening to media agitators, those obnoxious idiots on Facebook fan pages, and the general trolls of the internet fan world. All while having zero real understanding of what the situation is actually like in America.

I don't know if you're just slow, but you aren't exactly sharp if you're constructing these lies and heavy accusations based on waves of internet morons and insecure fanboys. You weren't writing about the character of American fans; you were touching on much more dangerous and damaging territory—especially when it comes from someone acting like they have authority, despite having no clue how things actually work on the ground.

If I had used that same standard for myself, I wouldn't have said a word to anyone. You've totally confused me with someone else regarding that conclusion. Even the conclusion you're pinning on me—which I have nothing to do with—is far more harmless and general than the mess you've made here. There is absolutely no comparison; they aren't even in the same league. Besides, you didn't even quote me correctly; you ripped it straight out of context. And since you love reading internet garbage so much, I'm sure you'll stumble upon plenty of other takes regarding the feud between BBB and Mamić. I assume your reading comprehension is fine; there’s plenty of stuff out there to read.

Nobody invented the problems within the American fan scene; they exist, unfortunately. Problems happen every single day, including right now as I type this. But you didn't write about the actual, real problems within the American supporter community. Instead, you wrote about things that either never happened, or happened in a way where you're spinning imaginary scenarios you picked up from the internet, Facebook, and the news from sickos, agitators, and trolls—in short, the enemies of true fandom.

I think there's a massive difference between "writing nonsense" and being written by someone who is just plain stupid.
If someone is simply ignorant but is trying to be reasoned, honest, objective, and well-meaning... then they should be allowed to write something, at least the parts of the post where I can recognize those qualities.
......BUT IF someone is writing "nonsense" out of pure malice, bad intentions, trolling, or just being a jerk... then I think I recognize that pattern, and I automatically "cut" them.
Anyway, things always slip through the cracks sometimes... it's normal for everyone to screw up or mess up occasionally... so something might stay posted that probably shouldn't have...... damn... my bad.🕺

Anthony Wood3 said:LOL, are you new here?
That guy is just some internet warrior from the "North Stand"; he has absolutely nothing to do with BBB 😉

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placidcobra91 said:You weren't talking about character.

I was. If you see one or two instances over twenty years... then sure, you can write that off as something else, an isolated incident, or just something that isn't a full behavioral pattern.

But if it happens once or twice every single year, then we're talking about character. And honestly, that’s probably something you struggle to deal with.

Look, if that's your take, those points were likely exaggerated and things happened differently than described. It's like how you got robbed and now you're judging the situation here by dismissively saying "the results speak for themselves." You can summarize a massive issue in three words, but it's a stretch to call this dangerous or say people are being unfairly targeted.

There have been similar issues over there that didn't get mentioned, just like how similar stuff has been happening recently in America.

What Jonathan Hayes76 wrote is essentially accurate in its core, it's just written from the perspective of someone coming from a background where those exact same things aren't an issue. Or they have the same problem and think, "well, you guys aren't any better." But that's not really the case.

I'm done arguing this.

analogheron19 said:Look, I really feel like there’s this massive, fundamental distinction between just "writing nonsense" and actually being someone who... well, isn't particularly bright. You know what I mean? It's one thing to sit down and intentionally craft some absolute garbage—maybe you're trolling, maybe you're just being a clown for the hell of it—but that's a choice! That's an act! But when you're actually writing from a place of pure, unadulterated stupidity? Man, that's a whole different beast entirely. It’s the difference between playing a character and just being yourself, right? One is a performance, and the other is just... well, a tragedy.
Look, if someone is just plain, simple-minded—but they’re genuinely trying their hardest to be well-informed, honest, objective, and kindhearted—isn't it only fair to let them have their say? I mean, seriously, shouldn't we at least let them write a post or two? It’s just common decency, right? I feel like there are times when I look at a thread and I think, "Wait, I actually recognize those exact qualities in this person..." and then what? We just shut them down? It doesn't seem right.
Look, if someone is out there typing "garbage" just because they’re feeling bitter—you know, purely out of spite, bad intentions, or just being a total troll looking to stir the pot—well, I've reached a point where I can actually spot that energy from a mile away. Honestly? Once I recognize that specific kind of malice, I just instinctively block them. Why even give it the time of day? It's just easier that way.
Honestly, things just slip through the cracks sometimes—they just drift right past you. I mean, let’s be real, everyone messes up once in a while, right? We all screw up—we all make those calls we probably shouldn't have made... and then you're stuck dealing with the fallout of something that maybe should've stayed buried. God, man... it's my own fault. My own mistake.🕺

Honestly, just shut those threads down right from the jump—seriously, why even bother? It’s not like anyone around here is actually going to contribute anything meaningful to them anyway, especially when it comes to all that mindless nonsense people love to spout. Why let the clutter even happen in the first place?

wiredpilot28 said:I mean, yeah, I totally agree. If you’re looking at just one or two isolated incidents over the span of twenty years... honestly, you can pretty much write that off as something else entirely. It’s not like it constitutes a full-blown pattern of behavior, right? It’s just a fluke—one of those weird outliers that doesn't actually tell you anything about the bigger picture.

Look, if we’re talking about one or maybe two instances a year—just a couple of hiccups here and there—then honestly? That’s just personality. It’s part of who someone is. And let's be real, that’s probably the kind of thing you’re going to have a hell of a time dealing with. It's tough, right? You can't exactly "fix" a person's character once it's set in stone.

Look, if that’s how you want to play it, fine—but let's be real, some of those things you mentioned are probably being blown way out of proportion. Things likely went down totally differently than how they're being painted now. It's kind of like when you lose your own game and suddenly start judging the whole league by saying, "well, look at the standings," using three little words to summarize an entire saga that could easily fill a thousand-page book! It's just lazy, honestly. But even so, I think it’s a massive stretch to view this as some kind of national crisis or to start throwing around ugly, prejudiced insults about specific groups of people. That's just going too far.

There were plenty of other similar incidents happening over there that didn't even get mentioned—it’s honestly just like what we've been seeing lately here in America. It's all starting to feel pretty much the same, isn't it?

I mean, what Jonathan Hayes76 wrote is actually pretty spot on in a nutshell—but he’s saying it from this perspective where he’s part of the crowd that doesn't really mind these things. Or maybe he’s just facing the exact same issues and thinks, "Hey, you guys aren't any better than I am." But honestly? It's not quite like that.

I’m done. I really am—I'm not going any further with this argument.

There’s a massive difference between talking about the "character" of certain fans and the scene from a distance versus actually being the one sending out messages like that. Look, nobody is denying that bad things happen—seriously, who is? We know exactly what our scene is like, we know the stuff we deal with every single day, and we know how hard we work just to hold it together under these conditions. The real issue here is that you’re sitting there in Washington, D.C., typing away about situations and vibes you have absolutely zero connection to—stuff you’ve just picked up from news reports, Facebook threads, and those disgusting internet agitators who love nothing more than stirring the pot. And you're posting this kind of stuff as an adult, not some hot-headed kid looking for trouble. That’s the problem right there. Meanwhile, you’re completely ignoring the actual situations you *might* have been involved in—the ones that should serve as your real yardstick for knowing exactly what kind of lowlifes those people are. Real experience matters more than some digital hearsay, don't you think?

Look, what you’re doing isn't just "exaggerating"—it’s actually pretty dangerous stuff. You’re putting things out there on the internet that stay there forever, and people—especially those who shouldn't be looking—just soak it all up like a sponge. This kind of talk doesn't belong online, and it definitely shouldn't be written this way. Honestly, it feels a bit pointless to post this when you know the other side won't even bother engaging in an online debate or giving you a response anyway. And hey, I’m not just being harsh for the sake of it—I’m pointing out visible results here. It’s not even meant to be insulting; I’ve actually tipped my hat to some of your "wins" in the past! But you guys know exactly how this works—you spent years posting about certain minority groups being nothing but undercover agents or mercenaries, claiming they were all working hand-in-hand with those liars from Mexico online... and then, the moment you actually run into a situation involving those same groups, suddenly everything changes? Suddenly it’s "not like that" or "not what we thought"? Well, that right there is the result of your own rhetoric. I won't even get into other consequences—this is enough. Truthfully, I’m doing you a favor by saying this. It would actually be in my best interest to just stay quiet, because the more you cling to these myths about Mexicans and everyone else, the harder reality is going to hit you when things go sideways—and trust me, it won't be good for you. The real problem is that these aren't just harmless myths anymore. When you start churning out this garbage—these twisted stories and manufactured scenarios—and you have actual serious people reinforcing them alongside all the internet trolls, you're playing with fire. In the future, when a real crisis hits, something could happen that should never happen. Because once you start shaping someone's mind that way, it becomes incredibly difficult for them to stay level-headed, rational, or act the way they actually should.

Look, you don't even need to go out of your way to bash anyone else when what you’ve put together here—honestly, just look at it—is already intense enough. Seriously, how much more dangerous can this get? You’re laying it all out there in such an inverted, twisted way for everyone to see, and honestly, it’s a lot. Why bother dragging in similar stuff that wasn't even part of the conversation once you've already made your point? It’s unnecessary! And let me tell you, you never see anyone from those rival neighborhoods writing about Americans, or the Bad Boys, or Torcida in this kind of tone. They don't sit around constructing these elaborate little scenarios based on your specific local drama just to stir up trouble online. It makes it look like they're the idiots while everyone on this side just stays quiet and takes it. I mean, fine, do whatever you want—live in your own little bubble if you have to—but we are talking about incredibly serious matters here. This has moved way beyond simple self-delusion or typical sports fan propaganda. It's getting real.

placidcobra91 said:Just back off a bit right from the jump; I don't think anyone here would even bother posting in these threads if they were just looking to talk nonsense.

It’s one thing when you’re talking about the character of certain fans or the whole scene, but it’s something else entirely when you frame a message like that. I mean, it's not like anyone's denying that bad things happen. No one's hiding that. We know better than anyone what our scene is actually like, the stuff we deal with every single day, and how we manage to hold it together under those conditions. The issue is, you’re sitting there in Washington, D.C., trying to lecture us about situations and vibes you have zero connection to—stuff you just picked up from news reports, Facebook, or those nasty trolls online. And you're writing this stuff like you aren't some hot-headed kid. That’s the problem. Meanwhile, there are actual situations you might have been part of that should serve as a real yardstick for what those guys are really about—situations that could tell you who they are firsthand.

What you're writing isn't just exaggerating; it's dangerous stuff that stays on the internet for people to soak up. This kind of thing isn't meant for the web, and it definitely shouldn't be written this way. It feels a little silly to write this when you know the other side isn't going to get into an online shouting match or even bother responding to you. I don't feel like I'm being unfair when I say the results are showing; honestly, I’m not even being disparaging, because I've actually tipped my hat to some of those "results" here before. You guys know best how it all comes back to hit you—after years of people writing online, alongside Mexican liars, about how those guys were basically agents or mercenaries, and then suddenly, when you actually find yourselves in a standoff with them, things aren't going according to plan. It's not what you or your friends had filled your heads with. So, that's the result. I won't get into other results or details; this is enough. Truthfully, I think I'm doing you a favor by saying this, even though it'd probably be easier for me to just stay quiet. Because the more you cling to these myths about certain Mexicans, the harder reality is going to hit you when things go south, and it won't be pretty. The thing is, these aren't just myths anymore. If all this garbage and distorted storytelling gets written out—if serious people start creating these scripted scenarios along with all the internet idiots—then something really bad could happen in the future that should never happen. Once someone's mind is shaped that way, it's hard to stay level-headed and sane.

You don't even have to trash those guys given how you put your words together; I don't know what more you want. What you wrote is as dangerous as it gets for someone's psyche, putting it out there for the public to read like that. Why even bring up similar things that weren't mentioned when you've already done this much damage? And I haven't seen any serious guy from that crowd writing about Americans, the Bad Boys, or Torcidas in this kind of way. They don't construct these fake scenarios based on your "critical moments" just to fuel the internet. It makes it look like those guys are fools and that anyone can just post whatever they want while the other side stays silent. Go ahead, live in your own world and write whatever you want, but we're talking about really serious matters here that move beyond mere self-delusion and fan propaganda.

You sound pretty ridiculous, honestly. Where exactly did you see any serious Torcida or Boys member writing about you the way you claimed? Come on, enlighten us. The funniest part is how you claim people were stirring the pot against you, and then you "showed" everyone who you really are on the street. But who was stirring the pot for all those years? You bought into that myth through some internet Indians and now you insist it was written this way and that, but who was actually behind the keyboard? It's the same thing: just like what happened to the BBB crew, it's going to come back to haunt you soon. You're heading down that same path.

casualgull92 said:Seriously, where on earth have you seen a hardcore Torcida member or one of the Bad Boys writing about you guys the way you just described? Come on, enlighten us!

Look, take that whole line of people for example—it's nothing but pure corruption. And now we've got Bauer, this supposedly "successful entrepreneur," acting like he's all that. After all the absolute nonsense posted right here on this forum back when those travelers were parading through downtown Washington, D.C., any sane person would've just ended it all that very same day. 😁

This guy was posting about you guys more than a decade ago, and now, after your little stroll through the park when the Bad Boys were barely a shadow of their former selves, he’s supposed to just hang himself?

Honestly, this forum can handle just about any kind of nonsense spin you throw at it. You’d have to watch the Canadians if you wanted to see actual favorites for the next Super Bowl, because let's face it—they're basically easy wins...