Bad Boys

ironpanther5 said:This guy was writing about you guys over a decade ago, and now, after your little parade when BBB was barely even a shadow of what they used to be, he’s supposed to just hang himself?
Seriously, this forum is full of nothing but pure spin. You should probably look at the Canadians as favorites for the next Super Bowl, because man, those guys are such easy wins...

Look, the guy wasn't just talking about Mexicans ten years ago—he was everywhere. He showed up after the Malta thing, after Athens, and so on. He just got quieter and quieter, and then after everything went down in Washington, D.C., he just vanished. I guess business picked up and he didn't have the time anymore.😁 total spin

casualgull92 said:You’re being ridiculous. Seriously—where have you actually seen a die-hard Torcida or Bad Boys member writing the way you claim they do about you guys? Come on, enlighten us! What gets me most is how you insist everyone was constantly being provoked or harassed, and then you go out on the street and show everyone who you really are. And who was doing all this provoking for years? You built up this whole myth through some random internet Indians, claiming people were writing things one way or another, but who was actually behind those posts? It’s just like what happened to those thugs—what hit them is going to hit you too. You’re heading down the exact same path.

I’ve been watching the internet and the media for a long time now. From the serious types to the retired ones, the lost souls, the idiots... you name it. Even on this thread over the last few days. Remember how those lowlifes used to act online? People mocked them and laughed at them, but when they finally came face-to-face with them, suddenly nothing was funny anymore. It backfired on everyone—on them, on you, on everybody. But honestly, that’s easy to deal with; the real disaster is when "serious" people start posting serious bullshit and lies all over the web.
Whoever you are, you were probably the first one jerking off to whatever was happening online back then. But that didn't stop you from coming here years later to spread lies about it, and the moderators just sit there watching and letting you play pretend. You just keep the cycle of lies going on this forum. Honestly, you should be ashamed of the people running this crew, letting you post such garbage and falsehoods (because they know what actually happened). They’re keeping you here like a circus animal—like a panda on a profile page—just to entertain the public. The problem is, you lie so much that you end up creating warped minds within the fan culture. Yeah, sure, now everyone is an "internet Indian" once the hype dies down and the bill comes due. Once you can actually see who is who at the stadium, outside the gates, who puts on the best choreographies, who lights the most pyrotechnics, who has the best songs, the best away trips, and how they actually behave as fans. And all of this is happening within the context of the Mexican fan scene, which is—let’s be real—incredibly insecure and abnormal. It is ten times harder to be a true fan, to stay sane and decent in those circumstances than it is in America. Now, there's this myth that your leaders were calling into live news broadcasts right after the incidents to whine about what happened. Meanwhile, on the other side, they were telling the whole world on moronic TV shows that there would be a bloodbath when we met. But those lowlifes refused to join that circus on those stupid shows, they met up, and more or less everything went fine. Regardless of all the years of barking and threats. Hopefully, that tells you something about how people actually operate. It tells you which path they take and what kind of people they are. Like when they go to the Plains and hold up a banner instead of just spray-painting some graffiti there. Or when they go to Brooklyn and act like gentlemen, being respectful to people in the local diners, or just heading home quietly without making a scene or leaving a mess. They don't act like lunatics in Mexico or Belgrade when they see people wearing American club colors who aren't part of our world; they don't flex their muscles at them, they just explain things clearly. Or if they do run into individuals in American group gear, they also "explain" things nicely, without the noise, the filth, the media circus, or the sensationalism.

They are following a path where they hunt down their own people and lash out at anyone acting smart on the internet—not that there isn't a single pathetic forum out there that hasn't failed to stop people from inciting trouble and writing nonsense. Even when it involves nobodies whose identities aren't even known, they distance themselves from such idiots just so they don't look crazy. Which brings me to why I’m here compromising myself and dragging "our" people through the mud when they write nasty things about the Grobari or Americans, because I know exactly how those stories end. Is that the "lowlife" way? Whoever barks and incites via the internet, whoever acts poorly, let it come back to them exactly how they acted, regardless of which group they belong to. And if the group I belong to acts poorly, then I hope they are the first to face the consequences. I have no problem with that. If someone does things (poorly) well, but then someone else comes along and does it better, then actions speak louder than words, and nobody has an issue with that. As long as it stays within reasonable bounds. But I’m afraid that these kinds of lies, these fabrications, and the fact that "serious" people nod along to them doesn't help anyone.

Look, I basically just wrote this all out—and don't you dare try to come back at me with any more of that nonsense, because honestly, you're just being dishonest, and I already told you last time that we were done. He just looked at me and said, "Well, whoever had something to say, said it."

You look just as ridiculous here as you do anywhere else, no matter how hard you try to act like someone who’s immune to gossip and rumors. After all these years of living, being in the stands, and dealing with internet trolling, you still can't figure out who you're talking to or how to approach a conversation.

The three of you showed up to a private tracker forum—which basically serves as an outlet for frustrated Americans and the occasional person from Mexico—to fight your own little wars over some image of a guy who "doesn't talk online." What does this place have to do with the Bad Boys or even Torcida? Honestly, there's more nonsense coming from your side than anyone else's.
But real men just mind their own business. Give me a break...

Over there, you were writing essays about how the media and social networks shape perceptions, but now you're just recycling those same stories, flipped around to suit whatever narrative works for you right now.

And then there's you—someone who probably wasn't even at the brawl you've mentioned five times—handing out lectures about who writes what on the internet. You're likely sharpening your axe against some poor soul from the other side, using that same condescending, arrogant tone.

Seriously, you're using a series from nearly 15 years ago as an argument, coming from people who haven't even been active for that long. Think about how many generations have changed in the stands since then... What if someone tried to paint a picture of certain groups today based on something from 15 years ago, or from a time when you weren't even old enough to be responsible for any of this? Should someone start bringing up old documentaries about certain guys from back then and all their old stunts and stupidity?

How low are you willing to sink this debate by bringing up the conditions the Bad Boys deal with here versus how things are over there, or where it's harder to be a fan... It's just childish, complex-seeking nonsense that doesn't deserve a serious response.
It's fine that you're proud of how things are for certain people today, just like it's fine for someone to be proud of the price they paid to stay out of the mud and the senselessness of fanaticism.

Like when they head out to the Plain and hold up a banner instead of just tagging that graffiti over there.

Whatever.

wiredpilot28 said:You honestly look just as ridiculous as ever—no matter how hard you try to play this tough guy who’s somehow immune to all the rumors and local gossip. It’s kind of wild, really. I mean, after all these years of living life, all that time spent in the stands at the stadium, and enough experience dealing with internet trolls and back-and-forth banter to last a lifetime... you still haven't figured out who you can actually talk to? Or better yet, you still don't grasp how to approach certain people? Seriously, how do you not get it by now?

So, here you three are—showing up to this private tracker forum that basically serves as nothing more than a venting session for a bunch of American idiots and the occasional Mexican looking to blow off some steam. And what are you doing? You’re actually out here fighting these weird little personal wars over a picture of some guy who "doesn't even hang out online." I mean, seriously? What does this place have to do with the Bad Boys or Torcidas anyway? Honestly, there's more talk about you guys in here than anyone else!
And honestly? The guys are just minding their own business. Just staying in their lane, you know? Anyway... let's get to it.

Remember when you were typing out those long essays about how the media and social networks basically manufacture fake realities? You were all over how the news cycle twists things around to create a false image. Well, now you’re just retelling those exact same stories—only this time, you’ve flipped them on their head, spinning them however suits your narrative in the moment. Isn't that funny?

So then you’re sitting there—probably acting like you were actually front and center at that fight you’ve brought up five different times now—trying to lecture everyone about who’s posting what online? Give me a break. And honestly, it feels like you’re just out here looking for someone to target with that condescending, arrogant attitude of yours. It’s pretty much the same old story, isn't it? Just constant ego and talking down to people.

Look, you’re seriously pulling out a series from almost 15 years ago as some kind of valid argument? People who haven't even been active in the stands for that long are using this? I mean, think about it—how many generations have cycled through the bleachers since then? It’s massive! It’s just wild to me that someone would try to paint a picture of what certain groups look like today based on a snapshot from fifteen years ago—especially a time when you weren't even in a position to be held responsible or credited for any of it. Seriously, what kind of logic is that? Is someone really going to watch an old documentary about how certain people acted back then—you know, all those old scams and ridiculous antics—and act like that defines the reality we're living in right now? That's just not how the world works.

Honestly, how low are you actually planning to sink this conversation? Bringing up stuff like what kind of conditions the Bad Boys deal with here versus whatever chaos is happening over there—as if that somehow makes being a fan any harder... I mean, really? It’s just such a childish, petty way to look at things. It honestly doesn't even deserve a serious response, does it?
It’s all well and good to be proud of where things stand today—you know, being proud of how much certain groups have risen up from nothing—but at the same time, there’s a different kind of pride to be found, isn't there? I mean, it’s like that feeling you get when you refuse to sink into the absolute madness and mindless chaos of fanaticism. There’s a real dignity in paying a price to stay above the mud of tribalist nonsense and just... not letting it consume you. Don't you think?

Just a bunch of random stuff.

It’s all funny to you now, isn't it? But it definitely didn't feel that way when you were busy spinning those webs of lies and half-truths earlier. Look, I’m not even trying to pretend I’m some kind of saint who’s immune to rumors, gossip, or blatant falsehoods—especially when we're talking about serious matters. That’s exactly why I’m laying this out right here. The real kicker is that you should have realized by now that actual, credible people don't bother posting their takes on us online anymore—not even on forums like this—but then suddenly, here you come, popping up with this nonsense. And the thing is, you aren't exactly some idiot, are you? Which makes it worse. It’s not like some random troll is coming on here to spread garbage lately; no, you’re the one doing the spreading. You actually have the experience and the history to know exactly how to frame these stories, which is precisely why you’ve started pushing this stuff. Is this just some weird way for you to vent? Like, you've been holding onto this resentment for ages and now you finally get to dump it all out just to take a cheap shot at Mexicans while someone else sits there taking the fall? You clearly haven't thought about who you're actually addressing with this stuff. But honestly, that’s not even the main issue—the issue is the actual content of what you're saying. And having people looking on while you "set the stage" is just asking for trouble; it drags everyone into a mess that never ends well.

So, it’s funny how you think this little private gossip hub—this place run by certain crews where you send out "serious" directives to tell your people exactly how to act and what to do—is some kind of high-stakes command center. You know, where you supposedly "wage wars" just to curate a better group of followers? It’s wild to me that you felt the need to come onto a gossip site like this to lecture everyone on such heavy topics, yet somehow you can't see that other people have just as much right to show up here when you start spinning dangerous lies and twisted narratives about their community. They aren't being dramatic; they're just trying to "fight back" against the constant whispering and the fake news. And let's get one thing straight—there is absolutely no "three-way" conspiracy happening on this end. People love to hide behind that whole "we don't talk online" excuse, but honestly, it's become such a convenient lie lately. It's what people say when they assume everyone else is too stupid to notice—that if they stay quiet and don't complain while people are busy dragging their names through the mud, everything will be fine. But it can't go on forever! Eventually, the cup overflows. When things get so bad that even the few decent, normal people left in the group are at risk of getting screwed over, that's when people are going to speak up exactly where it matters most. Like right here. It's about stopping the unnecessary exposure of everyone involved—both your own people and everyone else.

You’ve gotten the facts wrong again about the place you’re reading about. Go ahead, check yourself—maybe you'll get lucky the third time around. For the record, I wasn't anywhere near there.
What kind of "condescending tone" are we talking about here? Is it when I tip my hat to what you guys have achieved? Or is it condescending when I say that kind of chaos can only be pulled off by certain street gangs and the Bad Boys, while everything else online is just noise (though maybe things have shifted since then)? Is it arrogant to say that in certain situations, regular people from both sides acted normally, and that’s probably why everything went fine? Is it condescending to say you should value your own people? Is it because of *that* tone that someone in Washington, D.C. should lose their mind? Should the people who actually saw those street thugs in person—without any weapons in hand—get worked up over something non-hateful or sick? Is it you, on your side, who showed everyone live what you really think about those thugs in certain situations, that needs to get aggressive? And what am I even writing that would be the only metric for how they treated you? Who in Washington, D.C. is going to get aggressively triggered against street thugs after hearing words like mine? They might just look at it and say, "Hey, good job being respectful," and appreciate that we respect what you do. Honestly, it’s much more realistic that some lunatic in Washington, D.C. gets triggered when a major figure from the stands writes lies online about thugs throwing bombs, swinging axes, or staging tragedies like you used to write about. And that’s all happening online—I can’t even imagine what gets said in person. That’s where the worst stuff starts; that’s what creates space for the sickos. It’s stuff like that that makes people lose it. Not when I, writing as an American, tell our own people—regardless of who they are—that I’ll personally "inspect" their hands if they write garbage about American fans and the Partizan faithful online. Am I supposed to trigger someone in Washington, D.C. because of my stance and behavior on this forum?

Forget that guy from fifteen years ago in the series; look at the version of yourself from 2019, writing those twisted, dangerous lies on the internet. To you, that feels like a continuous stream of stupidity. Well, since you’re a responsible adult now, why do you still do it online? If you had written that management is paying for choreography today, nobody would give a damn, but you write about deeply serious matters that poison people's minds and lead to fan catastrophes. And then you come here telling me that I shouldn't be "triggering" some last person in the supporter scene whom you could easily blame for these things. Take out those old stories about how the whole world and the global fan community were told there would be massive casualties whenever fans met. And post about the serious stuff from 2019, when people were lying online about American situations in such a distorted way that people nearly died, or how things actually went down with your people in the neighborhoods and the behavior following it. Or who set fire to whose car and how they played games in Washington, D.C. between the Bad Boys during inter-group stuff and the general scene. There isn't a single person doing for Americans what you do here for Mexicans. And if anyone accidentally did something similar, they’d be sanctioned immediately. But who is going to sanction *you* here for this stuff?

First, you used to write about the American fan scene as a place where all these horrific things and tragedies happen—presenting it as a space where fan-related tragedies frequently occurred, which is unfortunately the truth. Then, you lower the level of the debate by saying that under such conditions, it’s much harder to be real, good, righteous, and stay sane. Your "childish" argument is that I don't want that kind of story, scene, or problem for anyone, anywhere. With all due respect to all the American groups, the crackdowns, the repression, and the problems—being a good fan in Mexico with a righteous stance is undeniably much harder than it is in America. In the end, your scene is "more righteous," more normal, and it’s not hard to conclude under which conditions it’s harder to be the real deal, to remain a fan, and still be a good person in every aspect of fandom. Just look at the state of the Partizan fans and what they have; see how hard it is to build a real story there. Anyone who tries and succeeds deserves nothing but a tip of the hat, a "well done," and maybe having a stadium named after them. Honestly, I’d take the kind of repression you guys face in your scene or in Washington, D.C. tomorrow. That kind of crackdown would do us a lot of good compared to what we have. We’d undergo a total rebirth. Not because your repression is weak or strong, but because anything is better than what we’re dealing with right now.
And even in an environment like that, you’ve got these guys—real outsiders who have to fight through all the nonsense, the lack of loyalty, and the absolute filth—yet they still manage to stay afloat and keep a decent standard for what it means to be a fan. That’s despite everything they deal with right there in the stands. So much has gone down behind the scenes—dirty deals, blackmail, shady offers, stuff you won't find anywhere on the internet. It’s the kind of thing the fans just don't talk about. But all that struggle, all that resistance to push for a better atmosphere? That’s exactly what you’re seeing live in the stands.
Sorry if that was a bit of a long one, I hope I don't need to go on forever.

I think you totally missed the point regarding the Plains. They could have just been out there tagging walls with graffiti, like how things used to go with the American side over in Belgrade, but instead, they actually stepped up and put out a real slogan.

placidcobra91 said:It’s funny to you now, but it didn't feel that way when you were spinning those twisted stories and lies. I’m not even trying to play the role of someone who's immune to rumors, gossip, and falsehoods when we're talking about dangerous stuff. That’s exactly why I’m posting this here. The thing is, it should have been obvious to you guys that serious people haven't been posting here or anywhere else online (about us) lately, yet suddenly you show up with this garbage. The problem is, since you're the one popping up, and you aren't an idiot, it means it isn't "serious people" spreading rumors and lies anymore—it's you. With your experience and tenure, you know exactly what kind of nonsense you're peddling. You're just doing it to satisfy some personal need to vent everything you've been holding in, just to take a shot at Mexicans, and then you end up sitting on the bench. On top of that, you clearly don't realize who you're even talking to. But that's not even the main issue; the issue is what you're actually saying. And letting the thugs watch how the "ground is being prepared" only drags them into things that never end well.

So, it's great that this is your little private gossip hub, run by certain crews, where you send serious instructions to your people on how to act and what to do. Where you "wage wars" just to ensure you have better people in your circle. You felt the need to come here and seriously explain things to your people on this gossip site, but you can't seem to see that someone else also feels the need to speak up here when you start crafting dangerous fabrications and lies about their group. They're "fighting" to put a stop to the instigation and the lies. There isn't some "three-way" dynamic happening on this side. People have been using the "we don't talk on the internet" excuse for a long time to lie, assuming the thugs are too stupid to notice, won't speak up, and won't complain while they're being smeared. But when the cup overflows and it actually threatens to screw over the few decent people left, people show up where it's critical to set the record straight. Like right here. To make sure neither their own people nor others are exposed to unnecessary bullshit.

You've mixed up the facts about the place you're reading again. Go check, maybe you'll get lucky. Obviously, I wasn't anywhere.
What kind of condescending tone is that? Is it condescending when I say hats off to what you guys achieved? Is it condescending when I say that a stunt like the one down there could only be pulled by thugs or the Bad Boys, while everything else on the internet is just noise (though maybe things have changed in the meantime)? Is it arrogant to say that in certain situations, there were decent people on both sides, which is probably why everything went smoothly? Is it condescending to say you should value your own people? Is it because of that tone that someone in Washington, D.C. should get worked up? Should the people who saw the thugs in person—in a non-hateful, sane way—get worked up? The ones who saw the thugs in Washington, D.C. without any weapons in their hands? Is it you, on your side, who showed in person what you really think about the thugs in certain situations, who needs to sharpen up? And what am I even writing that would serve as the only metric for how they were with you? Who in Washington, D.C. would get worked up in a sick way against thugs after hearing words like yours? They might just sharpen up and say, "props to them for being respectful," and acknowledge that they respect what we do. It's much more realistic that someone in Washington, D.C. gets agitated when a major, significant figure from the stands writes lies about thugs throwing bombs, swinging axes, or staging tragedies like you were doing. And all of this through the internet; I can't even imagine what they say in person. That's how the worst stuff is created; that's how you create space for sick people. That's what fuels the lunatics. Not when, on an American forum, I write as a Mexican to our own Americans—no matter who they are—saying I'll personally "inspect" their hands if they write filth about American fans and the Grubs over the internet. Is it because of my stance and behavior on this forum that someone in Washington, D.C. should get worked up?

Look, you can't just take that guy from fifteen years ago in the series and blend him with the version of yourself in 2019 who was out there spreading twisted, dangerous lies online. To everyone else, that just looks like one continuous stream of bullshit. You’re an adult now—you're responsible for what you put out there. If you were writing nonsense about how the management pays for choreography, nobody would give a damn; people would just scroll past. But you write about serious stuff that poisons people's minds and leads to actual catastrophes for fans. And then you have the nerve to tell me I’m "harming" someone? There isn't a single person left in the fan scene you could pin that on. Bring up those old-school thugs who told the entire world and the global fan community that people were going to die when rival factions met. Or bring up the absolute degenerates back in 2019 who used the internet to twist the truth about incidents in America where people nearly lost their lives, or what happened to your guys over in Brooklyn and how they acted afterward. Or talk about who was setting fires or playing games between the Bad Boys during international affairs and the general scene. Not one of them acts like you do here regarding Mexicans. If anyone else even hinted at doing something similar, they'd be sanctioned immediately. But who's going to sanction you?

First, you talked about the fan scene in Mexico as this place where all the horrific tragedies happen—presenting it as a space defined by violence, which, unfortunately, is the truth. Then you try to derail the argument by acting childish, claiming that in such an environment, it's much harder to stay true, good, and sane. Your "childish" little story isn't even my point; I don't want that kind of scene or those kinds of problems for anyone, anywhere. With all due respect to all American groups, the repression, and the struggles they face, being a decent fan with a solid stance in Mexico is undeniably harder than it is in America. At the end of the day, your scene is "cleaner" and more normal, and it isn't hard to see which environment makes it tougher to be a real supporter while still maintaining integrity across the board. Just look at the situation with the Partizan fans—look at what they deal with and how difficult it is to build a legitimate movement there. Anyone who actually manages to pull that off deserves a standing ovation; you'd name the stadium after them. Honestly, I’d take the level of repression you guys face in your scene or in Washington, D.C., any day. It would do us a lot of good compared to what we're dealing with right now. We might actually see a rebirth. Not because your repression is better or worse, but because anything is better than the mess we currently have.
And in those conditions, you have these thugs fighting through the senselessness and the filth, managing to stay afloat and maintain a decent course for the fans, despite everything they do in the stands. So much has happened behind the scenes—dirty deals, blackmail, offers, and things you won't find anywhere on the internet. Things the thugs don't talk about. All that struggle and resistance to create better fan culture is exactly what you see playing out live in the stands.
It's a bit of a long one, so hopefully, I won't need to go on further.

You clearly misunderstood the Plain situation. They could have been out there tagging graffiti like the American side did in Belgrade, but instead, they chose to spread a slogan.

What do you think, will they delete this or not?

placidcobra91 said:It seems amusing to you now, but it certainly didn't feel that way when you were spinning those fabrications and falsehoods. I make no effort to project an image of someone who is immune to rumors, hearsay, or lies when the stakes involve dangerous matters. That is precisely why I am posting this here. The issue is that you should have realized that serious people don't frequent these corners of the internet to discuss us anymore—yet here you are, surfacing with such nonsense. The real problem isn't just that you’ve appeared; it’s that you aren't some mindless fool. You know better. With your experience and tenure, you understand exactly how to frame your narrative, which is why you started peddling those stories. It feels as though you're simply trying to satisfy some personal urge to vent what you've been holding in for a long time, just to take a swipe at Mexicans, while that other guy ends up taking the fall. On top of that, you seem to have no grasp of who you are actually addressing with these comments. But even that isn't the core issue; the issue is the content itself. And letting certain elements watch how the "ground is being prepared" only drags them into situations that never end well.

So, it’s quite lovely that you view this as a private little gossip hub, curated by specific groups where you send serious instructions to your people on how to act and how to carry themselves. You essentially "wage wars" here to ensure you have the superior crew and group. You clearly felt the need to step in here and explain things to your people on this gossip platform, yet you fail to see that someone else might feel just as compelled to speak up when you start constructing dangerous lies about their group. They are simply "fighting" to put an end to the agitation and the misinformation. There is no "trio" involved on this side of things. For a long time, many have exploited the idea that "we don't talk on the internet," using it as a shield to lie, assuming that certain marginalized groups will just stay quiet and won't complain while they are being smeared. But when the situation reaches a breaking point and threatens to destroy even the few decent individuals left, people will show up exactly where it is critical to set the record straight. Just like here. To ensure that neither their own people nor others are exposed to unnecessary nonsense.

You’ve once again confused the nature of the place you are reading. Take a moment to look closer; you'll see. I wasn't anywhere near there, obviously.

What do you mean by a condescending tone? Is it condescending when I offer credit for the things you all have accomplished? Is it condescending when I suggest that actions like the ones described below could only be pulled off by certain street gangs or the Bad Boys? Or is it arrogant when I point out that in certain situations, there were reasonable people on both sides, which is likely why everything resolved as it did? Is it condescension to say that you should value your own people? Is it because of that supposed "tone" that someone in Washington, D.C. should be incited? Should those who witnessed the reality on the ground—people who saw nothing but peaceful individuals—be incited toward something hateful and sick? Should those who saw certain groups in Washington, D.C. without any weapons in their hands be targeted? Is it you, who demonstrated through action what you truly think of those groups in specific situations, who needs to be on high alert? And what exactly am I writing that serves as the benchmark for how people treated you? Who in Washington, D.C. would become radicalized in a sick way against certain groups after hearing words like yours? If anything, they might simply react by saying, "well done for being respectful," and acknowledging that they respect our conduct. In reality, it is much more plausible that a deranged individual in Washington, D.C. would be incited when a significant figure from the stands writes lies about groups throwing bombs or wielding axes, or scripts for tragedies, just as you have done. And all of this via the internet—I can't even imagine what is said in person. That is where the worst elements are cultivated and where space is cleared for extremists. It is because of things like that that sick people get worked up. It isn't because, on an American forum, I write as an American to my fellow Americans—regardless of who they are—saying that I won't "scrutinize" them just because they post vitriol about American fans or the Grays online. Is it because of my stance and behavior on this forum that someone in Washington, D.C. should be provoked?

You should look back at the version of yourself from nearly fifteen years ago in that series, and compare him to the man you were in 2019, writing those twisted, dangerous falsehoods online. To your perspective, it likely feels like one continuous stream of nonsense. But listen, you are an adult now; why are you still posting this stuff on the internet? If you had written that the management pays for our choreography today, nobody would give a damn—you can write whatever you want about trivialities. But you choose to write about deeply serious matters that poison people’s minds and lead to actual catastrophes within the supporter community. And then you have the nerve to tell me here that I am harming someone, as if you have any right to cast such accusations at the last remaining honest voices in the stands. Just look back at how those thugs used to spread rumors to the entire world and the global fan community, claiming there would be massive bloodshed whenever rival fans met. Or look at the blatant lies posted in 2019 regarding the situations in America, where people nearly lost their lives due to distorted accounts, or what happened with your people in Brooklyn and the behavior that followed. Think about who was lighting flares and playing games in Washington, D.C., between the Bad Boys and the broader scene. There isn't a single person doing what you are doing here on behalf of the Mexicans. If anyone else dared to show up with similar rhetoric, they would be sanctioned immediately. So, who exactly is going to sanction you here?

Initially, you described the supporter scene in Mexico as a place where all these horrific tragedies occur—a space defined by chaos, which, unfortunately, is the truth. Then, you attempt to lower the level of the debate by suggesting that under such intense conditions, it is simply much harder to remain principled, good, and sane. Your "childish" argument isn't even my concern; I don't desire that kind of scene or those kinds of problems for anyone, ever. With all due respect to the various American groups, the crackdowns, and the systemic issues they face, being a principled supporter in Mexico is undeniably more difficult than it is in America. Ultimately, your scene is "more righteous," more grounded, and it isn't hard to conclude which environment makes it tougher to stay true to your values while remaining a decent human being within the supporter subculture. Just look at the state of the Grabaš fans and what they deal with; it shows how difficult it is to build a legitimate movement there. Anyone who actually tries and succeeds deserves nothing but immense respect—you could practically name a stadium after them. Honestly, I would welcome the kind of institutional pressure you face in Washington, D.C., or across your scene. It would do us a world of good compared to the mess we currently have. We would undergo a total rebirth. Not because your brand of repression is better or worse, but because anything would be an improvement over our current reality.

In those conditions, you have these guys fighting through the senselessness and the filth, managing to stay above the fray and maintain a rational course for the supporters, despite everything happening in the stands. So much has happened behind the scenes—so much dirty business, extortion, shady deals, and things that never make it onto the internet. Things that Americans just don't talk about. All that struggle and resistance to create better fan culture is what you see manifesting in the stands during live matches.

This message is a bit lengthy; I hope it won't be necessary to elaborate further.

You misunderstood the situation regarding the Plain. They could have just been scrawling graffiti like what happened on the American side in Belgrade, but instead, they chose to spread a slogan.

Just to touch upon the part where you claimed the guys in Washington, D.C. were empty-handed. In the cafe where the police picked them up, they actually found knives and flares. A friend of mine owned that cafe. So much for that. You're exhausting. Regards.

How many miles of endless, pointless arguing are you guys actually going to get through 🙂🙂 honestly, you’d be much better off spending that time driving out to Columbus for a visit today instead

John Campbell27 said:Just wanted to touch on the part where you claimed those guys in Washington, D.C. were empty-handed. In the bar where the cops picked them up, they actually found knives and flares. A friend of mine owned that place. So there you go. You're being exhausting. Peace.

Look, when I say "empty-handed," I mean they weren't carrying anything dirty or un-fanlike—nothing illegal. As for the flares, everyone knows that! It’s not some big secret; that info has been out in the open since day one. I mean, how else are you supposed to set the mood in an arena during a game? Tell your friend to stop lying through his teeth. Seriously, the guy is just straight-up dishonest. Good for him, I guess. I trust that there are people over there with enough common sense to know that if things had gotten truly dirty, it would have happened in a more chaotic spot with fewer eyes on it—somewhere less "correct." Nobody went to war in Washington, D.C.; they went to a basketball game! Honestly, you couldn't find a better example of how a hardcore fan group should act than that group from Washington.

Do you see what the issue is here? You're taking a peak moment of pure fandom and twisting it into this fake narrative to make it look like something it wasn't. You're just deceiving yourselves and hyping up your own people. It's such a flawed way to think. And how are you even supposed to fight against lies and manufactured stories like that? Is there anyone left in Washington, D.C. who’s actually sane enough to tell their people—whoever they may be—to stop posting this garbage and these lies?
I know you aren't some active Bad Boys member who actually carries weight or matters, but seriously, aren't you embarrassed to be posting this stuff on a forum? Have you no shame? And it seems like there's nobody there to call you out on it. But I have to step in—because if I didn't write this, your lie would just sit there. That's why I'm being "exhausting"—because you're acting like you're so smart, changing the facts of what actually happened in a single sentence just to lie and fuel your buddies.

analogheron19 said:Do you think this is going to get deleted or not?

You shouldn't be asking me what I *think* about whether this gets deleted. You should be asking me if it *should* be deleted. And my answer would be: yes, delete everything coming from the Mexican side here, along with all your responses to those posts. If you do that, you effectively "ban" those Mexican "fans" from the forum by cutting off their input at the source. I've told you before: wipe out everything coming from the Mexican side. I really hope you finally do it. You seem like a decent guy, and I trust you'll respect this.

driftingotter47 said:How many miles of endless arguing posts are you all going to churn out? 🙂🙂 It would be much more productive to spend that energy actually showing up for the game in Columbus today, for instance.

Do you honestly think some of the people being called out might not have the luxury or the freedom to just head out to Columbus today?

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What exactly are you expecting here? That someone should act like a high-priced lawyer, issuing formal denials for every little thing or every single individual—especially when they're just anonymous posters?

By the way, does everything else, like the Rum, also count as a lie, a dirty tactic, or an insinuation?

There were no knives involved.

People don't really ask the Bad Boys for their take on this forum, just like they probably don't bother asking anyone else either. It seems like some people actually enjoy stirring up hysteria. They love giving every clown a chance to anonymously dump their toxicity in a space that, UNFORTUNATELY, gets a certain level of legitimacy just because some people show up.

Then everyone loses their cool and starts typing whatever comes to mind.

Irgine, I’m going to post a response to you and myself regarding a few things—it might end up being longer than yours. I think we were mostly on the same page about most of it.

placidcobra91 said:You don't need to ask me if this stuff should be deleted. You should be asking me whether it *deserves* to be wiped out. If you want my take, I’d say just scrub everything coming from the Mexican side along with all the replies to those posts. That’s how you actually "ban" those Mexican "fans"—by nuking their content before it even takes root. I told you before: just clear out anything originating from Mexico. It would be a massive relief if you actually did it. You're a straight shooter, and I'm counting on you to do the right thing here.

It's out of the question to start deleting people just because they happen to be from Mexico or any other country.
As long as someone stays within the rules and keeps things civil, they have every right to post. On the flip side, if someone shows up purely to troll or throw insults, they get banned or sanctioned—period. It doesn't matter where they're from.
You can't claim, and neither can anyone else, that you know exactly how much has been deleted, edited, or penalized. So, don't sit there telling us you're intentionally letting the garbage slide just to please certain people...
Either you haven't been following this forum long enough, or (more likely) you just don't know me well enough to make accusations like that.

wiredpilot28 said:It clearly suits some people to stir up this kind of hysteria, giving every single clown a platform to anonymously dump their toxic garbage in a place where, unfortunately, certain individuals being present gives it all a shred of unearned legitimacy.

Even the most bottom-of-the-barrel trolls would be embarrassed by this level of stupidity.🙂

I don't even know where to start with this one—honestly, it’s just one of those things that gets stuck in your head, you know? Like, you’re just sitting there, minding your own business, and suddenly this thought hits you out of nowhere! It’s wild how the brain works sometimes, isn't it? Just spinning and spinning on these random little ideas. Anyway, I was thinking about it earlier today while I was grabbing coffee, and it just felt like something worth mentioning. Just one of those random, fleeting moments that makes you stop and go, "Wait, what?" Does anyone else ever get those? Just total mental derailments over nothing at all? It’s kind of funny when you think about it, actually—just a complete detour from whatever you were supposed to be doing! kaže:

Hey, placidcobra91!
I mean, what exactly are you looking for here? Are we seriously expecting someone to play lawyer for every little thing? Like, should we have some legal team on standby just to write out formal denials every single time some random anonymous person posts something stupid online? It’s getting ridiculous—honestly, does anyone really have the time or the energy to debunk every single baseless claim that pops up in a comment section?

By the way, is Rhett just more of the same—total lies, corruption, and nothing but shady insinuations?

I’m expecting the same thing here—you know, since we don't see our own anonymous posters going around saying things like that about the Bad Boys online, I shouldn't be seeing it from you guys either. And I don't just mean the random trolls or the "anonymous" crowd... I'm talking about the actual, decent people in this community. Surely you all have enough self-control to keep that kind of talk under wraps, right?

Look, you can't just take one single isolated incident—especially when it’s followed by a whole string of other things that perfectly cover all the bases—and try to spin it like that. You can't start twisting the truth or playing semantics to make blatant lies look like "nuanced" examples of something else. It just doesn't work that way, does it?

analogheron19 said:Look, it shouldn't even be a conversation—you can't just go around banning someone right out of the gate simply because they're from Mexico or some other country. I mean, seriously? It’s just not right.
Look, as long as you’re keeping things civil and playing by the rules—you know, staying within the bounds of basic decency—anyone is more than welcome to jump in and post. We want everyone here! But—and this is a big "but"—if someone shows up just to stir the pot, throw insults around, or be a total troll? Yeah, they’re getting wiped out or sanctioned. It doesn't matter who they are or how much they think they belong here; we aren't having that kind of negativity. Period.
Look, you can't possibly know—and honestly, neither can anyone else here—just how many posts have been wiped, edited, or flagged behind the scenes. You’re sitting there claiming I’m intentionally letting this nonsense slide just because it suits some certain agenda... but that’s just not how it works. How could you even begin to track all those deletions? It's impossible.
Either you haven’t been hanging around this forum long enough—which, honestly, happens—or (and let's be real, this is probably the safer bet) you just don't know me well enough to be throwing accusations like that my way.

Look, you’re a man who actually knows his stuff—you’ve got that gut instinct for these things, that real-world experience—so you should be the first one stepping up to call out and clean up the dangerous nonsense happening here. We aren't just talking about simple online trolling or petty provocations anymore; some of this writing is genuinely hazardous. It's the kind of stuff you don't just see discussed casually on the internet—it's deeper than that. These are fundamental principles that every single person needs to understand, regardless of where they come from or who they side with. It's common sense, really, but it's vital.

The final fence... man, I can't stop thinking about that last barrier. It’s like, you think you’ve finally reached the edge, right? You think you’ve cleared the hurdle—you've put in the work, dealt with the chaos, and now there's just one last thing standing between you and the finish line. But then, boom, there it is. That last fence. Is it just me, or does that final obstacle always feel ten times taller than everything else we've faced? It’s almost like life does that on purpose—just to see if you're actually serious about getting to the other side. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? kaže:
Hey, placidcobra91—I’m actually going to go back and edit both your points and my own responses to a few things here. Honestly, I think mine might end up being even longer than yours! But hey, at least it feels like we’re mostly on the same page with most of this, right?

Look, just a bit of friendly advice—save yourself the paper and the ink next time. If you’re going to start writing about Mexicans and all those wild situations that go down within the Mexican fan scene, just do it. Seriously! If you stick to that, there won't be any drama or misunderstandings between us. It's really that simple.

Listen up, everyone—watch what you say so we don't end up with any unnecessary misunderstandings.
Think twice before you speak; life’s a fight.

Sometimes I get the feeling that the North Stand is just arguing with itself, given it has both Mexican and American profiles

Kudos to the guys today. It’s only when things really start heating up that you see just how much we're lacking.👍

Quick question here, since I’m not entirely up to speed on the current situation:
I caught an article by Exile—have they actually "returned," or was there never even a boycott to begin with?
Thanks

Sean Foster22 said:I have just one question, since I'm a bit out of the loop regarding everything happening lately:
I saw that Exile flyer floating around—did they actually come back, or was there never really a boycott to begin with?
Thanks

Honestly, you don't even need to be caught up on all this; it's not like this is Instagram where you're expected to stay updated on every single little thing.

Brian Martin78 said:It’s not like we’re scrolling through an Instagram feed where you have to stay updated on every little thing just to keep up.

🤣🤣