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Jesse Ramirez3 said:Anyone who was actually up north that day knows what most people really think; whatever idiots type online doesn't reflect common sense.

Anyone who took a hit should be standing with the fans.

That was back in 2007—now it’s 2022. Where have all these "experts" been all these years? They sat on the sidelines watching it unfold. Instead of the BBB leading a front against the ownership and the police for the sake of the entire supporter scene, the Rangers and everyone else just sit there acting like nothing matters.

And then they act surprised when things get ugly. You can't just cry once you're backed into a corner; you have to act preventatively before the squeeze happens. That seems to be the pattern here—plenty of whining after getting hit, but zero initiative to prevent the blow in the first place.

Whining isn't going to fix anything. This repression has been going on for two decades and it's only intensifying. It’s not just the Rangers being targeted—though they certainly get the brunt of it. I don't follow the logic of these posts, implying the crackdown only hits one group. If anything, the BBB received special treatment leading up to the title celebration, with management essentially playing favorites to ensure the Rangers weren't part of the victory. In reality, the logical move for this derby would have been to celebrate the title IN FRONT OF the Rangers, not by excluding them.

Before you post, perhaps try thinking for a second.

And who exactly is "against the fans" regarding police repression? Is someone suggesting we're on the side of the cops while they're out there cracking skulls? If that's the argument, I'm out. I have no interest in debating such idiocy or trying to convince anyone of something that is fundamentally self-evident.

You’re missing the forest for the trees here. Honestly, the Rose Bowl and how the Chicago Blackhawks fans are being treated aren't even the main issue. And look, nobody is blaming the massive fan groups for what went down with the boys—that's not the point at all. The real crux of the matter is that there was zero sense of solidarity shown, which is something some people were clearly hoping to see, and right now, that lack of unity just looks bad.
But whatever, it's all just noise in the end. What actually matters is if we can learn something from this whole mess, because I truly believe it’s only a matter of time before one of these fans finally snaps during a standoff with the police.

If you had actually been at the game, you would have seen her performance firsthand, but I suppose you'll just keep talking nonsense. You aren't going to outdo that guy, though I guess you can certainly try.

Christian Miller48 said:You’ve missed the mark on several fronts. The Rose Bowl and the way the Chicago Blackhawks fans are treated? Irrelevant. And naturally, no one is blaming the Chicago Blackhawks fans for what happened to the massive fan groups. The core issue here is the complete lack of solidarity—something some people clearly expected. Right now, that silence is being viewed as a negative.
But whatever. It’s all just noise. What matters is whether we actually learn something from this. Because I’ll say it again: it’s only a matter of time before someone in the stands loses their mind during a confrontation with the police.

Support was shown at the game, and even on the official social media pages... what exactly do you want? For the BBB to carry you straight to jail? This situation just proves how much everyone has grown accustomed to this kind of treatment. Honestly, half the game should have been spent with the BBB chanting specifically for you if they really cared.

Christian Miller48 said:You’re missing the point entirely—the Rose Bowl and how the Chicago Blackhawks fans are being treated isn't even the crux of it. No one is blaming the fans for what happened to the Massive fan groups, obviously; the issue is the total lack of solidarity. Some people seem to expect it, and right now, that absence feels like a negative.
Regardless, it’s all just noise. The only thing that matters is if we learn something from this—because, frankly, I think it’s only a matter of time before some fan loses their mind in a clash with the police.

I have never been against state repression—nor have I ever been. But many others are. When you scroll through the news sites, everyone is worked up, clamoring for draconian punishments for fans without actually analyzing what went down. It is painfully obvious that the police in this country serve the regime; whoever holds power protects their own agenda, often using fans as a scapegoat to signal virtue. It’s nothing new—fans have always been labeled as "one of the nation's greatest problems."

It doesn't matter if the fans are from Karlovac High School or any other city. This isn't the first time authorities have overstepped—they just haven't gone as far as shooting multiple fans at once quite yet. Though, let's be honest, similar things have happened before:

It should be clear that we are solidary on this issue. I don't see why there's a need to perform "open support" just to prove how fans feel about it. The only way to show it would be through banners or signs, but I doubt that would satisfy those who expect a single fan group to somehow shut down the police—who, by the way, serve whatever administration is currently enforcing state repression. The police aren't here to maintain order—I say this constantly—they are here to react against those branded as "troublemakers." Often, that is nothing more than political persecution; it’s a witch hunt, not common sense. Even if someone raises a hundred banners in support, the policy will remain the same because fans aren't politically compliant enough for any administration.

I am stepping away from this discussion. I have no interest in reading nonsense from people claiming I'm talking rubbish, especially when everything I've said is perfectly coherent. I am simply tired of the nonsense and having to explain my points a hundred times over. I haven't named names or attacked anyone. Yet, there is always some "genius" who takes it as a personal insult and resorts to internet bullying. I have said what I had to say, and I am withdrawing from this topic. Anything else I have to say, I will say in the stands, directly to the faces of those I mean it for, rather than here.

Anthony Vaughn58 said:I'm out of this discussion.

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North, don't be ridiculous.😁

Aaron Ward6 said:The support was clearly there at the game, and now you see it on the official social media pages too... what more do you want, for the BBB to be hauled off to jail for showing loyalty? It just goes to show how much people have grown accustomed to being treated this way... honestly, half the match should have been spent with the BBB chanting in your favor if you actually cared about the club.

I’m really not sure which official profile you're referring to, and I'm certainly not some mindless follower, so I think I'll pass on commenting on the rest of that...

Just to clarify my position, my original point was simply that I understood why a casual fan might feel frustrated and start questioning things—especially when you layer all that nonsense from before and after the game on top of it. While the front office is busy defending their right to enter the stands, you can hear nothing but insults directed at the fans coming from our own side of the stadium. At least during a game like this, given everything going on, I felt we could have handled ourselves with a bit more grace. But look, I wasn't physically in the stands, so I'll drop the subject.
My comment also stemmed from my own struggle to truly celebrate the club's wins while it's still being run by someone with such questionable motives and a management team that seems more interested in personal gain than the team's health. To me, seeing those kinds of financial and personal interests tied to our "successes" is hard to stomach, and I suspect plenty of other regular fans feel the exact same way. Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking the folks who show up every week to cheer the team on, nor am I claiming to be any better than them...

Ten little brats are out here celebrating because they think they’ve won just because "everyone showed up" in one big group. It’s pathetic. They haven't shown an ounce of collective respect. Honestly, Jerry Jones is basically using them like a club to beat down the Chicago Blackhawks fans and anyone from the city center. Now that they’re looking at a full house in the North, they’re absolutely shaking in their boots.
All their spins, lies, and propaganda are probably going to snowball into something massive down the road. As for the derby, nobody is actually siding with the cops, but man, the way these guys dodge responsibility is truly spectacular. They really outdid themselves this time.

restlessheron31 said:Ten years of these bandwagoners celebrating because "everyone's out," just a big happy group. They don't show an ounce of respect—collective or otherwise. Jerry Maguire basically uses them as a blunt instrument to beat down the Bad Boys and New York City. Seeing the North Side fully packed today? It’s probably giving them nightmares.
Their spin, their lies, their propaganda—it’ll probably amplify tenfold down the road. As for the derby, nobody is actually siding with the cops, but the way they dodge responsibility is just spectacular. They really outdid themselves this time.

The group already made its stance on this crystal clear during the meeting...

If you honestly believe this is some "process of adjusting fans to European standards," maybe save that theory for one of the other threads on this forum—which, thank God, are plentiful enough.

Writing like this just makes us look like a bunch of amateurs to anyone reading.

If you're looking for "love and respect" from the bandwagon crowd, go find it on some obscure corner of the internet.

Man, you completely misread what I was trying to say in my last post. You've got it 100% wrong.

"Running away from responsibility" is really just about the cargo.

It’s honestly just such a shame.

It is quite fascinating, really, this utter lack of self-respect displayed by certain individuals who seem to be desperate for any scrap of validation, practically begging for forced support just so they can secure their fleeting moment of fame on the news sites.

And I have to ask: where was all this sudden solidarity when they were busy "saluting their friends in the corner" and mocking you for the very real consequences of your boycott? Where was the empathy back then? Instead, they were busy hoisting up messages of support for those who were actually targeting kids from the stands—and even more recently, they were practically gloating over some message handed to them by the stadium security. Are you truly so hungry for five minutes of their hollow applause, knowing full well that tomorrow you'll be left choking on your own regret?

Christian Miller48 said:I have no idea which official profile you’re referring to, and I am certainly no mindless follower, so I think I’ll pass on commenting on the rest of that..

Just to clarify, my original point was simply that I understand why some die-hard fans feel frustrated regarding this issue—especially given the nonsense peddled both before and after the match. While our own management is busy defending certain fans' right to enter the stands, the chants coming from our own section are nothing but vitriol aimed at those very supporters. Given the circumstances, I suppose there could have been a more constructive approach taken during that game. But then again, I wasn't actually there, so I will probably just drop the subject.
My comment also touched upon the fact that I find it difficult to celebrate the achievements of a club still run by a nationalist from Medjugorje alongside Acab in the administration, where many of these "successes" seem to serve purely personal and financial interests. To me, such a situation is fundamentally unpalatable, and I suspect many other die-hard fans feel similarly. Don't get me wrong, I am not looking down on those who attend matches and cheer for the club, nor do I consider myself any better than them...

The bottom line is this: what a transformation we have seen over the last few years. We went from the proud days of fighting for a democratic Real Madrid and standing up against the USSF, to this current state of reveling in victories and titles that feel more like Mamić's personal playground, while sucking up to the West Stand—which has always sided with Mamić and the police in their dealings with us. It is a shame, I suppose, and nothing more.
Support to the guys in the Ultras, and a speedy recovery to the injured!

velvetmoose30 said:That’s really the heart of the matter right there. It’s been such a massive transformation over the last few years, hasn't it? We went from those proud days where we were actually fighting for our club—fighting for a democratic Real Madrid and standing up against the USSF—to what we're seeing now, where everyone is just celebrating wins and titles while indulging in Mamić's playground. Even the folks in the West Stand, who always seemed to have Mamić and the cops on their side during our protests, are just playing along now. It's honestly a shame, nothing more, nothing less.

So, tell me, do you actually show up to the games, or are you just watching all this drama unfold from the comfort of your armchair?

Long live the forum.

irontiger85 said:It’s honestly pretty fascinating to watch that complete lack of self-respect in certain people, isn't it? They seem to be absolutely starving for validation, practically begging for anyone to give them a platform. It’s like they’re desperate to force their way into the conversation, doing anything just to ensure they get their tiny little moment of fame on the news sites and social media feeds.

Where exactly was all that support when they were busy "greeting their buddies in the corner" and laughing in your face about the direct fallout from the boycott? It’s honestly wild how they were quick to hoist up those messages of support for the guys who were actually firing shots at the kids in the stands, and then just recently, they were practically celebrating that little note the security guards passed along to them. Are you really all that desperate for them to give you a little pat on the back for five minutes, only to find yourselves swallowing your pride all over again tomorrow?

I didn't catch the whole exchange myself, but honestly, seeing how low the blows were being taken from our side too, I find it pretty pointless to go digging for excuses or trying to figure out who started it. When things get that nasty and everyone starts playing dirty, there aren't really any innocent bystanders left in the mix. It’s just a mess all around.

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