BAT Kol and alternative moderation

briskbison55 said:Honestly, it's just laziness. There isn't a single post like that here. People just warn you when you try to label something as raw food that actually has about as much in common with raw food as roasted peanuts do (or in this case, cocoa).

Not a single post like that? Then what the hell is this?
Right after Elizabeth Jackson's article about the guy who cured cancer...
Biljka112 replied

And then it just keeps going in that same tone—just constant pushback, trolling, and zero constructive posts from Biljka112. After Elizabeth Jackson's article regarding curing things through raw food
Biljka112 commented

Just admit that because of your own ignorance, you didn't even realize raw cocoa was a thing.
After you commented on the raw food thread claiming raw cocoa doesn't exist, Elizabeth Jackson was kind enough to actually inform you and explain that it does... and you suspiciously had nothing to say to that. Now, here you are, bringing up that cocoa again on purpose.🥱

Ryan Gomez4 said:There’s a huge difference between asking a question and demanding research papers and proof after every single post. When you keep repeating the same thing over and over, it stops being a question and starts being trolling. And honestly, if someone wants advice on hemp oil, they'll get expert tips on this forum way faster than anywhere else. You clearly have no clue about this topic, yet you still managed to be insulting—don't forget, you basically called all of us posting there junkies.

Look, you know I’m not just some guy being targeted by one specific person who keeps asking me if I’ve ever actually left an argument in good faith... it’s just constant. It feels kind of pointless when people tell me that I'm valued—and yeah, I appreciate that, including you—but honestly, I have a ton of respect for most of the folks on this forum, even when we don't see eye to eye. And about the whole oil thing, I already laid out the distinction between what’s legal and what’s illegal, especially regarding those wrong claims people are making about how the oil is actually extracted. I guess I just want to be clear about that.

Gary Cox2 said:Maybe you’d actually bother posting or asking questions over on Alternative if the vibe wasn't so toxic and there wasn't some resident troll constantly breathing down everyone's necks..

Maybe I have a reason, maybe I'm bothering someone.

Please, tell me—how exactly does Pero Pero, who runs out to stare at the sun right after eating some raw food, threaten you or anyone else on this planet?

Actually, don't bother. No apologies needed... I just stated an opinion. Any more circling back or going in loops is just clogging up the thread for nothing..

I guess we all have different definitions of what trolling actually is. For me, making a claim without providing a single shred of evidence is just plain nonsense. But, before I write it off as total nonsense, I usually try to ask for a source first. Maybe that's just how I am.

So, tell me... how exactly is Pero Pero supposed to threaten you, or anyone else on this entire planet, just because he decides to run out into the direct sunlight after eating some raw food? I mean, seriously, what's the actual connection there? It seems kind of wild if you think about it.

🤦 I mean, isn't refusing medical treatment... I don't know, doesn't accepting what you just wrote feel like it might actually be putting a life at risk? Maybe I'm overthinking it, but it seems that way to me, I guess.

Look, honestly... my bad, apologies... I was just... well, I was just sharing my thoughts. But if I keep going like this, just repeating myself and spinning in circles, I’ll probably just end up cluttering the thread for no reason. I don't want to spam everyone needlessly.

You brought it up right in your first post, and I guess maybe some people just grasp a certain belief instantly, but it didn't click for me at all. It’s just... I don't know, I'm genuinely curious where those claims actually come from. Like, what's the source for all that?

Linda Harris44 said:Not a single post like that? Then what the hell is this?
Right after Elizabeth Jackson's article about the guy who cured cancer...
Biljka112 replied

And then it just keeps going in that same tone—just constant pushback, trolling, and zero constructive posts from Biljka112. After Elizabeth Jackson's article regarding curing things through raw food
Biljka112 commented

Just admit that because of your own ignorance, you didn't even realize raw cocoa was a thing.
After you commented on the raw food thread claiming raw cocoa doesn't exist, Elizabeth Jackson was kind enough to actually inform you and explain that it does... and you suspiciously had nothing to say to that. Now, here you are, bringing up that cocoa again on purpose.🥱

I mean, you can find plenty of internet "testimonies" out there. But I guess... is the entire scientific community, down to the very last family doctor, actually in league with some Illuminati group controlling the WHO? I ask because, well, I just don't see how any doctor sees a way for a cure like this to work based on actual facts. Dietary advice is one thing, but claims like these... they seem pretty strange, at least to me. I'm not saying it's impossible—the human body is a miracle in its own right, I really believe that—but maybe we shouldn't go overboard. If there weren't skeptics, there wouldn't be any progress, right? If people didn't ask questions, where would we even be today?

Just admit that out of pure ignorance, you didn't even know raw cacao was a thing.
After you commented on the raw food thread about how raw cacao doesn't exist, Elizabeth Jackson was kind enough to fill you in and explain that it does, to which you cleverly didn't respond at all, and now you're bringing up that cacao again on purpose. 🥱

Well, I figured it was probably better to just ignore it for a bunch of reasons, and this is one of them. As you can see, there are all sorts of opinions floating around the web; it’s funny how some people think their side is the only one that matters, while everything else is just trolling or an insult.

briskbison55 said:Look, you know I’m not just some guy being targeted by one specific person who keeps asking me if I’ve ever actually left an argument in good faith... it’s just constant. It feels kind of pointless when people tell me that I'm valued—and yeah, I appreciate that, including you—but honestly, I have a ton of respect for most of the folks on this forum, even when we don't see eye to eye. And about the whole oil thing, I already laid out the distinction between what’s legal and what’s illegal, especially regarding those wrong claims people are making about how the oil is actually extracted. I guess I just want to be clear about that.

I guess we all have different definitions of what trolling actually is. For me, making a claim without providing a single shred of evidence is just plain nonsense. But, before I write it off as total nonsense, I usually try to ask for a source first. Maybe that's just how I am.

So, tell me... how exactly is Pero Pero supposed to threaten you, or anyone else on this entire planet, just because he decides to run out into the direct sunlight after eating some raw food? I mean, seriously, what's the actual connection there? It seems kind of wild if you think about it.

🤦 I mean, isn't refusing medical treatment... I don't know, doesn't accepting what you just wrote feel like it might actually be putting a life at risk? Maybe I'm overthinking it, but it seems that way to me, I guess.

Look, honestly... my bad, apologies... I was just... well, I was just sharing my thoughts. But if I keep going like this, just repeating myself and spinning in circles, I’ll probably just end up cluttering the thread for no reason. I don't want to spam everyone needlessly.

You brought it up right in your first post, and I guess maybe some people just grasp a certain belief instantly, but it didn't click for me at all. It’s just... I don't know, I'm genuinely curious where those claims actually come from. Like, what's the source for all that?

On this forum, we stick to the standard definition of trolling: posting provocative content specifically to trigger a heated reaction. I haven't seen any definition that equates trolling with "nonsense."

Whether someone who knows exactly what they're doing is putting their own life at risk isn't any of my business.

Honestly, listening to this nonsense just triggers a visceral reaction in me. And when people keep repeating these baseless claims—even after actual, solid arguments have been laid out—it feels like they’re intentionally trying to get a rise out of people. I guess I won't name names, though, because like I said before, I don't want to keep going in circles.

Oh, come on now... what, am I supposed to act like I wouldn't care if I saw a kid playing with a kitchen knife while their parents weren't looking? Not vaccinating a child is roughly the same level of danger, maybe even worse, since it potentially impacts way more people. All in all, the complaints being thrown at me here feel pretty aggressive—ranging from outright lies to accusations that I'm being insulting or provocative. If you guys really feel that way, then maybe tighten up the rules, because then only the people you deem "desirable" would be allowed to post on Alternative.

Here’s a classic example of trolling by swapping arguments: me and Gary Cox2 are talking about some guy eating raw food in Zurich at sunrise, and suddenly briskbison55 jumps in to talk about kids whose parents refuse to vaccinate them. I rest my case.

You just can't fight the Matrix—this forum keeps running in the exact same old circles.

Carol Lopez23 said:To put it bluntly, this is the quintessential essence of these "alternative groups." One might just call it organized trolling.

Elizabeth Jackson—there is simply no point in us dissecting these posts all over again. It is obvious to you that we will remain at an impasse, and that every response to a response will merely perpetuate the exact same arguments already presented. I have no desire to repeat myself, as I have already laid out my position clearly.

And I’ve said what I have to say.
Whether we agree or not is honestly irrelevant. At the end of the day, the only thing that actually matters regarding the moderators is... I really think you should try to follow the forum rules more consistently and, more importantly, apply them fairly to everyone. From where I’m sitting, it doesn't seem like that's exactly what you're doing most of the time.
I have to agree, and honestly, I completely get where you're coming from. Pushing any further just wouldn't make sense at this point. It’s pretty obvious to everyone watching—and I think you can feel it too—that you've been backed into a corner by the arguments presented. At this stage, trying to double down would probably just end up discrediting you even more than you already are. Maybe it's best to just let it rest.
Instead of digging yourself even deeper into this hole—which, if I’m being honest, was only avoided because northernpilot2 stepped in to pull you out—it might have been more dignified if you had simply owned up to your mistakes.
We’re all human, after all, and anyone can trip up from time to time. But I suppose there’s a certain kind of strength found only in those who have the guts to actually own up to their mistakes.
Honestly, and I mean this with the very best of intentions, I truly hope that one day you find the strength to be that resilient. 😉

I’d like to offer a gentle word of caution to my fellow forum members—perhaps we should all just slow down and take a moment to think this through. Pay close attention. I wonder what two specific goals briskbison55 is actually aiming for here?
He’s intentionally trying to divert attention from the core issue and dilute the conversation. The focus shouldn't be on him; it should be on... Moderating the BAT kolo..
2. Find a brilliant opportunity to satisfy that compulsive urge to churn out posts, thereby checking off your daily quota.
Please make sure you read this all the way to the end. This is it..

At the request of the supermoderator, I could easily provide dozens of examples where briskbison55 has blatantly and intentionally twisted or misinterpreted other people's posts. However, I suspect that after reading these recent comments—and perhaps even looking back at those threads regarding raw food, which he really ought to review—everything should be perfectly clear to him by now.
And it seems Ryan Gomez4, acting as a moderator, has a pretty clear view of how things are being handled around here.

Just as a little something to ponder—here’s a quick comparison involving animals:

briskbison55 said:It seems like things were actually quite peaceful here before a few of you decided to show up. parrot I’ve actually encountered a few aeronautical engineers who walked around acting like they were absolute authorities on the subject, all while reading through your posts and realizing just how little anyone here understands the actual fundamentals.

Honestly, calling people scumbags—or even just using those colorful terms for people who are essentially nothing more than biological breeding grounds for parasites—is probably a bit redundant. It’s almost too obvious to say.
The post hasn't been flagged yet, much like several of the other problematic users I’ve pointed out, but I suppose I’ll leave that decision to the supermoderator—just as I am leaving the matter regarding why I opened this thread up to their discretion.

briskbison55 said:Are you being serious right now? These people are literally typing out that science and medicine are just slaves to big corporations, and that we should avoid them because everything can be cured using 'their' specific methods. Everything from vaccines to raw food to Chemtrails.

Look, it’s pretty obvious to me that you're getting fed nonsense by the Alternative crowd, so I guess I feel a little 🤷 about you being a moderator for this PDF... I mean, I try to imagine astrology being led by someone who follows horoscopes on Facebook, or pet moderation being handled by someone who wouldn't even let an animal in their house...

And when did "Alternative" become such a crazy term for just mindless babbling without any actual basis? These aren't "alternative" thinkers; they're just people denying reality. You tell them that vaccines almost wiped out diseases that were lethal until very recently, and they—in their "alternative" way—ask where you got those claims, even though official statistics from every major organization have stated it a million times over.

northernpilot2, this weirdo won't stop bringing me up, and honestly, the way he writes here is exactly how he is in the Alternative group—zero substance, just endless litanies about people he disagrees with. It's all twisting words, planting ideas, blatant lies, and just repeating what others said to others like some kind of broken record. And this "constructiveness" he's whining about basically boils down to his eternal question: why are you asking me questions instead of proving me wrong with arguments? That is the textbook definition of trolling and destroying any meaningful communication, which he would totally ignore if his mouth wasn't so full of me and my posts all the time.

My dear friend, you were busy spamming the raw food thread—where, I might add, there isn't even a single mention of vaccines. If you have such an issue with shots, then by all means, go over to that specific discussion and hold your own. What on earth does raw food have to do with vaccines? It’s a non sequitur. And just because the same group of people happens to be posting across multiple threads, why do you feel the need to play contrarian everywhere they go? Where is that sense of "balance" you were preaching about back in the raw food section? Go to those respective topics and try to engage in a civilized debate. Bananas, seed varieties, cocoa—clearly none of that brings you any joy, so please, just let us enthusiasts enjoy our chocolate in peace! You should focus on finding your own equilibrium between your meat and vegetables, and we can all live happily ever after. Honestly, you write as if you’re trying to save us from some impending nuclear meltdown. We all have to go eventually—personally, I’d much rather go out from an apple than from a pork chop. So, where is the actual problem here? I simply cannot stand watching you or these constant naysayers anymore; they’ve run out of intelligent things to say to you, so now they’re just digging up old, dead arguments to throw at your head. Just let the dead stay buried and give them some rest, for heaven's sake.

Sending you nothing but peace, love, and pure happiness—just a little bit of love, briskbison55. A few of us from the thread are going to send some local student DJ mixes your way, along with a little lemon to help settle those nerves. 😁

briskbison55 As stated by:
Personally, I’ve come to the conclusion that it is far better to simply ignore the whole situation—and there are quite a few reasons why—one of which is... This one.As you can see, the internet is an absolute melting pot of conflicting perspectives—it’s truly fascinating how some people operate under the assumption that their specific viewpoint is the only one with any actual merit, while dismissing everything else as mere trolling or personal insults.

This is an absolutely stellar link—honestly, I’m kicking myself for not noticing you had posted this sooner. I have been personally observing just how fascinating chocolate can be as a substance lately. Just yesterday, I picked up some crushed cacao nibs, and after giving them a thorough chew—which was actually my first time consuming them in that specific form—I have to say, I felt a bit of a psychoactive buzz. It left me wondering, quite seriously, exactly what the appropriate dosage should be for someone looking to enjoy these effects without overdoing it.

briskbison55, I am absolutely certain you have some valuable insights to contribute to this discussion. Don't go thinking the weight of this falls solely on your shoulders—honestly, everyone else seems just as unhinged. And then there’s Elizabeth Jackson; even though we share many of the same views—which usually means we're on the same page—she tends to dissect your posts with the cold, clinical precision of a high-level government bureaucrat. Personally, I think we all need to take a collective breath, slow things down just a touch, and try to find some calm.

Gary Cox2 said:Maybe you’d actually bother posting or asking questions over on Alternative if the vibe wasn't so toxic and there wasn't some resident troll constantly breathing down everyone's necks..

Maybe I have a reason, maybe I'm bothering someone.

Please, tell me—how exactly does Pero Pero, who runs out to stare at the sun right after eating some raw food, threaten you or anyone else on this planet?

Actually, don't bother. No apologies needed... I just stated an opinion. Any more circling back or going in loops is just clogging up the thread for nothing..

Look, I honestly couldn't care less whether Pero Pero ends up sabotaging himself through sheer ignorance or a closed mind.
What bothers me is when some young, inexperienced kid reads the kind of nonsense being recommended here and completely wrecks their life because of it. That little guy, Ivo Ivić, needs to be able to hold down a job and pay his taxes to the government so that I actually have some money to live on when I reach retirement—you follow?

If little Ivo Ivić follows the bad advice of some prominent poster on your sub-forum—thinking people can actually survive without eating anything at all—then he’ll end up broken, and there won't be any funds left for my pension. You get what I'm saying?

Actually, why am I even doing this— you follow? 🤦

EDIT: And one more thing. Elizabeth Jackson has a signature that is an outright lie, and it shouldn't be allowed:

What we call matter is actually energy, whose vibration has been lowered so that it becomes perceptible to the senses. Matter does not exist. Albert Einstein

This is just further evidence of the extent to which your sub-forum spreads lies and misinformation. This is why it should be much more strictly moderated, instead of driving away BAT kolo and replacing them with vidoviti Milan.

Linda Harris44 said:Not a single post like that? Then what the hell is this?
Right after Elizabeth Jackson's article about the guy who cured cancer...
Biljka112 replied

And then it just keeps going in that same tone—just constant pushback, trolling, and zero constructive posts from Biljka112. After Elizabeth Jackson's article regarding curing things through raw food
Biljka112 commented

Just admit that because of your own ignorance, you didn't even realize raw cocoa was a thing.
After you commented on the raw food thread claiming raw cocoa doesn't exist, Elizabeth Jackson was kind enough to actually inform you and explain that it does... and you suspiciously had nothing to say to that. Now, here you are, bringing up that cocoa again on purpose.🥱

An Elizabeth Jackson article?

What are the "WHO" and the French cancer research agency (IARC) saying? You click the link, and suddenly it's all New World Order dot com! 😵
There isn't a peep from the WHO or IARC. 🤣

edit.
I've never actually written on that PDF. I just read. Because some things catch my eye...
But when I see stuff about the New World Order and other nonsense, I honestly just want to ban you all collectively!

briskbison55 said:I mean, you can find plenty of internet "testimonies" out there. But I guess... is the entire scientific community, down to the very last family doctor, actually in league with some Illuminati group controlling the WHO? I ask because, well, I just don't see how any doctor sees a way for a cure like this to work based on actual facts. Dietary advice is one thing, but claims like these... they seem pretty strange, at least to me. I'm not saying it's impossible—the human body is a miracle in its own right, I really believe that—but maybe we shouldn't go overboard. If there weren't skeptics, there wouldn't be any progress, right? If people didn't ask questions, where would we even be today?

Just admit that out of pure ignorance, you didn't even know raw cacao was a thing.
After you commented on the raw food thread about how raw cacao doesn't exist, Elizabeth Jackson was kind enough to fill you in and explain that it does, to which you cleverly didn't respond at all, and now you're bringing up that cacao again on purpose. 🥱

Well, I figured it was probably better to just ignore it for a bunch of reasons, and this is one of them. As you can see, there are all sorts of opinions floating around the web; it’s funny how some people think their side is the only one that matters, while everything else is just trolling or an insult.

It’s just not true to say that absolutely zero doctors see how possible it is to heal through a raw food or plant-based diet—not to mention you're also trying to deny that living on plants is even doable in the first place... Look, there have already been articles published over on the raw food sites about Dr. Gart Davis and his whole approach to plant-based living as both a lifestyle and a way to actually recover from illness, so I'm not going to bother dropping links here. Honestly, though, there's really no point in arguing with you...

Look, it’s not even about being a lifelong skeptic or constantly digging around and second-guessing everything... that's not the point. People who live on raw food—those vegans—they aren't really playing the skeptic game anymore, mostly because thanks to... Based on my own lived experience... People on a diet like this... they just know. They can feel when it's the real deal. You haven't even been doing the raw food thing for a week, let alone several years or... Thirty years... man, where does the time actually go? It feels like just yesterday we were dealing with all that old chaos, and now here we are... three decades later. Life moves way too fast... Look, it’s pretty obvious why you’re such a skeptic—and honestly, it doesn't matter if I drop an infinite mountain of articles, solid arguments, or real-life stories right in front of you... nothing is ever going to be enough. You aren't even here to actually learn anything new or engage with the topic... you're just here to shut everything down and troll... typical...

Look, you really need to deal with that massive cognitive dissonance you've got going on regarding eating meat and just stop derailing the thread... it's getting old. ☕

bluecyclist64 said:Look, I honestly couldn't care less whether Pero Pero ends up sabotaging himself through sheer ignorance or a closed mind.
What bothers me is when some young, inexperienced kid reads the kind of nonsense being recommended here and completely wrecks their life because of it. That little guy, Ivo Ivić, needs to be able to hold down a job and pay his taxes to the government so that I actually have some money to live on when I reach retirement—you follow?

If little Ivo Ivić follows the bad advice of some prominent poster on your sub-forum—thinking people can actually survive without eating anything at all—then he’ll end up broken, and there won't be any funds left for my pension. You get what I'm saying?

Actually, why am I even doing this— you follow? 🤦

EDIT: And one more thing. Elizabeth Jackson has a signature that is an outright lie, and it shouldn't be allowed:

What we call matter is actually energy, whose vibration has been lowered so that it becomes perceptible to the senses. Matter does not exist. Albert Einstein

This is just further evidence of the extent to which your sub-forum spreads lies and misinformation. This is why it should be much more strictly moderated, instead of driving away BAT kolo and replacing them with vidoviti Milan.

What does Elizabeth Jackson's signature have to do with this thread? ☕ You guys are really grasping at straws here.

So, apparently, you aren't allowed to mention auras in natural science anymore?!!

By that logic, if we were truly running an Alternative forum, they shouldn't tolerate anything that doesn't look "alternative," nor should they allow anything that actually supports classic dogmas!

To put it bluntly, the moderators over at Alternative aren't doing their jobs properly, and it seems to be the same story across other similar boards... though, of course, there are exceptions! 🙂

Sam Alvarez4 said:An Elizabeth Jackson article?

What are the "WHO" and the French cancer research agency (IARC) saying? You click the link, and suddenly it's all New World Order dot com! 😵
There isn't a peep from the WHO or IARC. 🤣

edit.
I've never actually written on that PDF. I just read. Because some things catch my eye...
But when I see stuff about the New World Order and other nonsense, I honestly just want to ban you all collectively!

If you actually bothered to read closely, you'd see I wasn't even referencing that article on the New World Order site. I was looking at the link describing some guy's experience curing his prostate cancer with raw food, which prompted Biljka112 to reply to Elizabeth Jackson in his usual way—which is basically just trolling.

As for that New World Order article, it’s easy enough to just Google the original WHO report, and voilà—you'll realize those "evil" NWO authors didn't lie or twist a single thing. They're just stating:
According to the report, eating 50 grams of processed meat—roughly two slices of bacon—every day bumps up your cancer risk by a whopping 18 percent!

In the original it says:
Even though smoking is in the same category as processed meat (Group 1 carcinogen), the magnitude or level of risk associated with smoking is considerably higher (e.g., for lung cancer about 20 fold or 2000% increased risk) from those associated with processed meat – an analysis of data from 10 studies, cited in the IARC report showed an 18 percent increased risk in colorectal cancer per 50g processed meat increase per day.

😉

I'm done here. Whoever needs to find it can find it. It's out there for everyone to see.

From now on, I’ll have to start taking screenshots before and after I hit post. They’re just deleting posts without any explanation... I need to keep my own records, much like how you’d want a paper trail when an electric company sends you a random bill claiming last year's payment never went through. I want my proof! 😁

I don't know who is behind this, but they should be ashamed of themselves!

Now I'm wasting at least half an hour of typing for nothing, especially since this isn't even the first time my posts have been wiped away without cause. It simply isn't right!

placidhawk21 said:So, apparently, you aren't allowed to mention auras in natural science anymore?!!

By that logic, if we were truly running an Alternative forum, they shouldn't tolerate anything that doesn't look "alternative," nor should they allow anything that actually supports classic dogmas!

To put it bluntly, the moderators over at Alternative aren't doing their jobs properly, and it seems to be the same story across other similar boards... though, of course, there are exceptions! 🙂

I couldn't agree more, and I’ll back this sentiment quite emphatically. 👍
Because, honestly, we’ve reached such an absurd point where people are actually complaining about stories of healing being shared on the alternative treatment subforum (specifically regarding the raw food thread)?!
My dear friends, I simply don't understand what else one is supposed to discuss on an alternative treatment forum. Horse racing?

I’m with placidhawk21 on this; I really think we need to tighten up the criteria on the Alternative section. Just like any other topic or subforum here, we shouldn't allow off-topic chatter, and we absolutely must shut down provocation, mockery, general trolling, and—let's not even get started on—straight-up insults.

Before a final decision is made and the thread gets locked, I have one question for the supermoderator: in your opinion, was this specific post justified in receiving a warning for trolling?

If we are going to apply stricter standards, then I suppose the answer is yes.
That said, I would kindly ask that you take a look at all those problematic posts I've compiled in my first two messages—it will become crystal clear that every single one of them definitely deserves a warning.

Ryan Gomez4 said:Here’s a classic example of trolling by swapping arguments: me and Gary Cox2 are talking about some guy eating raw food in Zurich at sunrise, and suddenly briskbison55 jumps in to talk about kids whose parents refuse to vaccinate them. I rest my case.

And honestly, does this thread actually have anything to do with how Carol Lopez23 moderates Alternative topics? Or did Elizabeth Jackson list three specific threads where I post, one of which happens to be about vaccinations? If we're supposed to just stick to one topic, maybe someone could tell Elizabeth Jackson not to confuse the poor people here. You call me a troll, yet you stay quiet when Elizabeth Jackson starts throwing all those different terms around at me... I guess it just shows that you’re okay with certain things happening over there too.

Linda Harris44 said:It’s just not true to say that absolutely zero doctors see how possible it is to heal through a raw food or plant-based diet—not to mention you're also trying to deny that living on plants is even doable in the first place... Look, there have already been articles published over on the raw food sites about Dr. Gart Davis and his whole approach to plant-based living as both a lifestyle and a way to actually recover from illness, so I'm not going to bother dropping links here. Honestly, though, there's really no point in arguing with you...

Look, it’s not even about being a lifelong skeptic or constantly digging around and second-guessing everything... that's not the point. People who live on raw food—those vegans—they aren't really playing the skeptic game anymore, mostly because thanks to... Based on my own lived experience... People on a diet like this... they just know. They can feel when it's the real deal. You haven't even been doing the raw food thing for a week, let alone several years or... Thirty years... man, where does the time actually go? It feels like just yesterday we were dealing with all that old chaos, and now here we are... three decades later. Life moves way too fast... Look, it’s pretty obvious why you’re such a skeptic—and honestly, it doesn't matter if I drop an infinite mountain of articles, solid arguments, or real-life stories right in front of you... nothing is ever going to be enough. You aren't even here to actually learn anything new or engage with the topic... you're just here to shut everything down and troll... typical...

Look, you really need to deal with that massive cognitive dissonance you've got going on regarding eating meat and just stop derailing the thread... it's getting old. ☕

Man, you can just head off in the wrong direction and then you're stuck, unable to help yourself, and you end up finishing things in the most foolish way possible. So go ahead, keep searching, stay skeptical, question and re-question everything... but why on earth is it such a massive problem for some of you to actually share the results of those studies with others? Instead, your whole argument just boils down to "we believe this," or "just try it for seven days and you'll see," or my personal favorite line from skeptics who reject actual science—"go educate yourself on Google."

Just deal with your own huge cognitive dissonance regarding eating meat and stop ruining the thread. ☕

Come on now, you might as well just call me stupid directly. 😁

briskbison55 said:Man, you can just head off in the wrong direction and then you're stuck, unable to help yourself, and you end up finishing things in the most foolish way possible. So go ahead, keep searching, stay skeptical, question and re-question everything... but why on earth is it such a massive problem for some of you to actually share the results of those studies with others? Instead, your whole argument just boils down to "we believe this," or "just try it for seven days and you'll see," or my personal favorite line from skeptics who reject actual science—"go educate yourself on Google."

Just deal with your own huge cognitive dissonance regarding eating meat and stop ruining the thread. ☕

Come on now, you might as well just call me stupid directly. 😁

Here’s yet another perfect example of how briskbison55 loves to stir the pot—twisting people's words just to get a rise out of everyone. ☕