Singapore GP (Marina Bay Street Circuit) - 09/22/2013

jadeseal7 said:Ferrari was basically a joke of a team until 1996 😉

And then when did they start winning? It started when Alain Prost arrived. Sure, they weren't quite on the level of McLaren or Williams back then, but any driver worth their salt eventually tries their luck at Ferrari. Not that we're really dwelling on that, though. Sebastian Vettel showed everyone in this race just how much better he is than the rest of the field. It would have been incredible to see him during Michael Schumacher's era. Those would have been some legendary battles...

placidridge2 said:🤷 Under any other circumstances, you could only attribute that to a difference in car performance—there just wasn't that kind of gap in driving skill.

The only exception I'd make is if it were raining. Nothing else. 🤷

🙄 Well, time will eventually tell if those takes were totally off base. Right? 😉

We’re talking about a 1st and 2nd place finish for Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost... with a margin of only two seconds. And let me reiterate: it wasn't even raining.

Ayrton Senna was an absolute artist in Formula 1—he could be a complete jerk at times, sure, but regardless of his personality, no driver racing today would ever dare to dispute that he was the greatest.

placidridge2 said:So why didn't Ayrton Senna just step in and build himself a championship-winning team from the ground up? 🤣

Why doesn't Sebastian Vettel just join Force India and turn them into a world champion squad overnight? 🤣 Honestly, I don't know what I'm even doing trying to argue with people like this.

33 wins, and every single one of them came from the top two spots on the grid... honestly, I can't even remember if he ever actually pulled off a victory after starting in P4 🙏

He drove one of his best races today... yeah, right, as if I give a damn 👍

jadeseal7 said:First and second were Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost... only a two-second gap. And there wasn't any rain, just to be clear.

Can you actually read? I already explained the conditions to you, yet you’re still stuck on your own nonsense. 🙄

Ayrton Senna was an artist in Formula 1—sometimes a jerk, sometimes a hero—but no modern driver would ever dare deny he was the greatest.

Sure, just like how some people view Fernando Alonso today. What you're writing is a total myth, and the facts back that up.

Claiming someone was "the greatest" is about as arrogant as it gets. 🤮

graniteharbor502 said:Hey there! Did you catch that? It was incredible how Alonso managed to tuck himself right behind Vettel like that. Truly masterclass driving.
😂

Yeah, a true driver wouldn't let themselves slip like that. Just look at the history books—not just the world champions, but plenty of others too. Take Michael Schumacher, Kimi Räikkönen, or Mika Häkkinen. Even Nigel Mansell, David Coulthard, and Jacques Villeneuve. Though, honestly, I’m talking about the younger Villeneuve—he was a total washout. The old man? He was The Best.

jadeseal7 said:Why doesn't Vettel just join Force India and turn them into a championship-winning team?🤣 Honestly, I don't know what I'm arguing with these people.

He ended up at Red Bull Racing.

But how did we suddenly reach a point where we're comparing Ayrton Senna to an average driver like Vettel? It feels wrong.🤣

So, why didn't he go? Like Michael Schumacher? 🤣

There's no way he was the greatest. Only true myth-makers would claim that.😉

placidridge2 said:Are you even reading what I'm saying? I laid out the specific conditions quite clearly—I thought I was being thorough!—yet you're still just stubbornly sticking to your own narrative here. 🙄

Well, just like how some people view Fernando Alonso today. Honestly, this whole idea you're pushing is one of those massive myths—and if you look at the actual data, the facts just don't back it up.

To go around claiming someone was "the greatest" is just such an incredibly arrogant move—it's almost unheard of to see that kind of bravado. 🤮

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeZcKk4RaA0

Smart enough to know.

jadeseal7 said:Why doesn't Sebastian Vettel just join Force India and turn them into a championship-winning powerhouse?🤣 Honestly, what am I even doing arguing with people like this?

And the money...? You really think they could afford him?

darkmarlin16 said:33 wins, all from the front two rows. I don't think he's ever actually won from P4. 🙏

He put in one of his better drives today... sure, if you say so. 👍

That just means he's incredibly dominant. Plus, the guy almost never makes a mistake bad enough to force a DNF.

Even when he isn't taking the top spot, he's busy collecting podiums and points like a little honeybee. 😉

This absolute garbage track is largely responsible for all this pointless bickering going on here.
If there was actually anything to drive, we'd have a real show and something actual worth discussing.

Romain Grosjean is the clear loser here. He had a podium run today. I actually feel for him.
Then there's Mercedes. They're losers too, but I couldn't care less about them.

rustycobra32 said:So, is Daniel Ricciardo the new savior for Red Bull Racing??

Our second driver is basically just there to help Fernando Alonso fight for the championship.😁
Otherwise, things would be pretty boring. 😬 🤣 🤣 🤣

placidridge2 said:So, he finally landed at Red Bull Racing.

How did we suddenly find ourselves in a position where we’re comparing the greatness of Ayrton Senna to someone as average as Sebastian Vettel? Honestly, isn't that a bit of a sin? 🤣

So, why didn't he show up? Was it a Michael Schumacher situation? 🤣

There is absolutely no way he was the greatest. Only the most delusional myth-makers would even attempt to argue that point. 😉

Bravo. Schumacher joined a struggling Ferrari and transformed them into a championship-winning powerhouse over two decades. Then you look at Sebastian Vettel, who stepped into a top-tier team and just dominated. It seems the best drivers extract greatness from mediocre squads, elevating them to the podium until they eventually become the elite teams themselves.

jadeseal7 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeZcKk4RaA0

Smart enough.

Spare me the melodrama. 🙄

Give me actual arguments, not just feelings. 🙄

Most Ayrton Senna fans hated Michael Schumacher for the exact same reasons Alonso fans hate Sebastian Vettel today. The only difference is that Senna didn't live long enough to see what Alonso has dealt with. People just get annoyed by their results, which were both built on the back of those two German drivers, while these two haven't quite reached that level. 😉

Michael Diaz4 said:Bravo. Schumacher joined a struggling Ferrari and turned them into champions after two decades of waiting... meanwhile, Vettel just stepped into a top-tier setup and took the glory. The greats take average teams and elevate them to the podium, turning them into legends.

Spot on. 🙂

graniteharbor502 said:Sebastian Vettel just absolutely demolished the field! What a driver. He’s straight up cruising toward GOAT status.

Niki Lauda actually took his hat off and bowed to Sebastian Vettel after the race today. 🙏🙏🙏
The guys over at ESPN are freaking out, saying they’ve literally never seen Lauda without that hat on before. 😲🤣
He even claimed Sebastian Vettel deserved four titles just for today's performance, because he's never seen a driver pull off a better race than that. 😳

Oh, and he also mentioned that those Ferrari fans acting up under the grandstands don't know the first thing about Formula 1—just total amateurs. 🤣
Funny enough, everyone else in the paddock seems to agree that they have absolutely no clue what they're talking about. 🤣

jadeseal7 said:Ayrton Senna is a true DRIVER, whereas Sebastian Vettel is merely a little driver, and one must consider how vital that distinction truly is.

I believe you are mistaken. Both Ayrton Senna and Sebastian Vettel are undeniably DRIVERS.

Roger Wright94 said:Sebastian Vettel put on a brilliant performance today; it was a display of dominance so absolute it felt almost terrifying. It seems as though every possible variable fell perfectly into his favor, and he exploited those opportunities to their absolute limit.
Mark Webber was trailing behind Fernando Alonso while Seb was busy carving out a second per lap. After the SC, the gap widened even further to two seconds per lap.
What we witnessed today felt, to my mind, like a pure demonstration of sheer power that eventually transitioned from mere superiority into something akin to humiliating one's opponents.

Ferrari played their tactical hand well regarding Fernando Alonso—both with the pit stops and the tire choices—though they did stumble slightly with Mass regarding the rubber selection. On balance, however, the points haul exceeded all reasonable expectations.
Both Fernando Alonso and Kimi Räikkönen managed to climb fifteen positions from where they started.

The track is essentially a graveyard for passing attempts; overtaking is only feasible when there is such an overwhelming disparity in pace.

Everything stated here holds water.👍

jadeseal7 said:Why doesn't Sebastian Vettel just move over to Force India and build them into a championship-winning team?🤣 I find myself wondering what sort of children I am actually debating with.

That is an ad hominem attack. I would feel compelled to suggest to the moderators that this individual resorts to insults in nearly every single post.

David Anderson72 said:He’s honestly the only driver who ever gave a damn about anything, let alone now. That tells you everything you need to know.

If they keep this up, it wouldn't be a stretch to see them bring back those old-school studio interviews. 🙂

I heard on ESPN that fans were losing their minds at the British Grand Prix back when Michael Schumacher broke his leg...
This current crowd? They're nothing compared to that level of insanity.🙄

placidridge2 said:Exactly! 🙂

Just a small side note here. Fernando Alonso joined a top-tier team and, despite some irregularities—which were arguably even more obvious in little Jean-Pierre Picquet's case, though that mostly flew under the radar for the public—he managed to snag the championship. Then he got absolutely steamrolled by little Hamilton (who is also hitting a bit of a plateau lately...😁). After that, out of nowhere, little Vettel showed up and just started tearing the competition apart. Eventually, he landed in a powerhouse team and kept stacking up those wins...

Getting back to the race: that was a magnificent victory on a brutal track. It’s one of those circuits where mistakes are fatal and overtaking is nearly impossible. You really need guts and precision to pass the faster cars ahead of you... Why wasn't Alonso allowed to overtake Paul di Resta? Because he isn't quite on the same level as the others, even if he's driving a car that's technically superior to the world champion's. Vettel just proved once again that he’s in a league of his own, right up there with Michael Schumacher... Sebastian: hats off to you...👋

jadeseal7 said:You want me to say McLaren wasn't dominant that year? Please. They were all neck and neck right up until the final race. Just look at what Kimi did in that McLaren back in 2005—the guy could drag that car to the finish line even if it had the horsepower of a Yugo hitting 93 miles/h.

Vettel has a monster of a car, and when he doesn't, he's nowhere to be found. That tells you everything you need to know about him. Total joke.

Look, regardless of anything else... and I mean this even though I absolutely love Kimi and was pulling for him those seasons... if we aren't being blind, the best car was the Ferrari, not the McLaren.