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Which printer is best for using generic ink?

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rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#61 ·
nimbleowl4 said:I was wondering if it’s actually worth getting a new print head for my current printer. Short answer: NO.
And I also wondered how much it costs to just buy a brand new printer instead. The answer is roughly $167.

Thanks!

Spot on. Just watch out, because there's a catch you might not see coming.

So, you've got a brand new, unopened HP Envy 5000 == roughly $167

You can grab some compatible ink cartridges for it for about $45 - $17

But you've also got the original HP All-in-One set, meaning all four cartridges == around $200+.

When you factor in the cost of the paper, the price difference between original and knock-offs disappears. So what are you going to buy?

Originals, obviously.

The guy who imported those cheap cartridges just messed up his own plan. Once they hit their expiration date, they end up in a clearance bin while your printer ends up in the trash. And let's be real, any smart retailer won't even bother playing that game until the cost of those knock-off cartridges drops low enough to be significantly cheaper than the originals. And by then? There won't be an HP Envy 5000 left in the store. We're right back where we started.

Just for comparison: if you go to Best Buy and grab an HP OfficeJet Pro bundle with refillable tanks plus 4x 100ml bottles of ink... for the same amount of money, you get the printer, the scanner, and 88 XL capacity cartridges. Keep in mind, the HP Envy 5000 can't even use XL cartridges—you'd need a more expensive model that runs around $200. Plus, those XL cartridges are 50% pricier than standard ones, and you can't find cheap replacements for them.

Basically, for $167, you're getting 176 standard cartridges. Sure, it's not "brand new in box."

Just putting that out there for comparison. Helps to know what you're actually getting when you think you're saving money on a newer model.
swiftbear86 swiftbear86 Active Member
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#62 ·
Anyone have any experience with this printer?
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#63 ·
swiftbear86 said:anyone used this printer before?

https://www.bestbuy.com/price-list-example

In what way?
Andrew Sanders4 Andrew Sanders4 Newcomer
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#64 ·
@ rustysurfer79
I have a quick question regarding the HP OfficeJet Pro. It’s been sitting on my desk for quite a while now; I actually picked it up right when it first hit the shelves. I've always stuck to genuine ink, never even thought about using third-party replacements. However, I'm running into some printing issues lately, which likely happened because the machine sat idle for a month or more at a time. I've tried running the maintenance cycles and head alignments, but nothing seems to work—the ink levels are fine, yet the results are poor.
So, what's the best move here? Should I just bite the bullet and buy something new, or try to tinker with this old unit a bit longer (maybe someone out there would want to buy it?)? I happened to see an HP Envy 5000 at the store today for about $147, and they're marketing it as the top choice right now.
P.S. The printer isn't worn out at all; if anything, it's practically brand new. It has only printed about ten photos and a few hundred pages total.
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#65 ·
Andrew Sanders4 said:@ rustysurfer79
Quick question—since we're talking about the HP OfficeJet Pro. I’ve actually had one sitting on my desk for quite a while now. I picked it up right when it first hit the shelves, and I've always stuck to genuine ink, never touched any off-brand stuff. Lately, though, the print quality has gone totally downhill. I'm thinking it's because I let it sit idle for a month or more at a time. I tried running all the standard cleaning and alignment cycles through the maintenance menu, but honestly, nothing seems to be working. Even with the ink levels looking fine, the prints just look terrible.
So, what’s the move here? Should I just bite the bullet and grab something new, or try to keep this old thing on life support? Honestly, maybe someone out there would even buy it off me. I was browsing the aisles at Best Buy today and saw an HP Envy 5000 going for about... $147 They're out there marketing it like it's the absolute best choice on the market right now.
P.S. It’s definitely not beat up from heavy use. Actually, it's the exact opposite—it’s barely been used at all. I've only printed about ten photos and maybe a few hundred pages total.

Look, go check out the Epson website for a second and see how they talk about their inks. It’s nothing but pure hype. They claim everything is perfect. But honestly, you haven't even printed ten photos yet, so don't start acting like it's time to recycle the thing. Besides, rustysurfer79 is offering it in a bundle that comes with something like 88 cartridges.

See, that's exactly where I messed up. I bought the Epson in one of those bundles—you know, the printer plus a whole pack of 88 cartridges—so if I’d done that today, I wouldn't be dealing with all this headache.

Of course, Epson gets that too, which is exactly why they rolled out the L series. But let's be real—those same Epson printers aren't even hitting the $400 mark anymore. $167 Already hit 1600... $667And obviously, you're not gonna drop 1600 bucks on that. $667 For 10 photos.

If you get that, then you totally get why HP still pushes those printers where you end up buying a whole new printhead every single time.

Look, if you actually care about print quality, go with an HP. But if you're just trying to save some cash on ink, the HP OfficeJet Pro is probably your better bet.

There’s actually a middle ground here. You can totally save some cash by refilling those HP cartridges yourself using cheap bulk ink meant for the HP 301. It's basically like getting three 50ml bottles for the price of one.$8.25Just a heads-up: you usually get two cartridges with the printer—one black and one color. But let’s not overcomplicate things right off the bat; honestly, just forget about that black one for now. Just pop that color cartridge into the tray and call it a day. See, with this generation of HP DeskJet printers—it was definitely the case with the HP LaserJet too—they basically run in "safe mode" using just the color cartridge. Plus, when you're printing photos, the printer doesn't even really use the black ink; it just blends colors from the CMYK mix. So, if you just refill the color cartridge, you'll end up with a decent print job without spending much cash. It won't be perfect, but it's not half bad either. Unfortunately, refilling isn't exactly plug & Play like those continuous ink systems from Epson or Hummingbird, but it gets the job done. Once you eventually get tired of the print quality, you can just grab a new color head and start the whole process over again.

Here are a few more posts to add to this thread.

I finally got around to testing out that old HP LaserJet. Honestly, I wasn't sure if it would even hold up, but man, was I wrong. It’s a beast. Even after all this time, it just handles everything you throw at it without breaking a sweat. I spent some time messing around with the settings, trying to see if I could squeeze any more life out of it, and it actually performed better than some of the newer stuff sitting on my desk right now. There’s something about those older, solid machines that modern tech just can't seem to replicate. They feel built to last, you know? Not like the flimsy plastic things we see everywhere today. Anyway, if you've got one of these lying around in a closet somewhere, don't toss it. Give it a shot. You might be surprised.
I can't believe I'm still tinkering with this old junk, but here we go. I’ve been messing around with my setup lately, trying to get everything running smoothly, and honestly, it's been a bit of a headache. So, I was looking at the specs for this HP Envy 5000, and man, things have changed since I first started printing. Back in the day, you just plugged stuff in and hoped for the best. Now? It's a whole different ballgame. I spent way too much time yesterday troubleshooting some weird driver issues that had me pulling my hair out. Anyway, if anyone else is struggling with their home office gear, don't feel bad. We've all been there. Just one step at a time, right?
I can't believe I actually went through this. Honestly, looking back at my experience with the HP LaserJet, I’m just glad it’s over. It was one of those situations where you think you know what you’re getting into, but then reality hits you right in the face. It started out okay, but things went south pretty fast. Dealing with the technical glitches felt like running in circles. You try to fix one thing, and suddenly three other problems pop up out of nowhere. It’s frustrating, especially when you just want to get your work done and move on with your life. I tried a few different workarounds, thinking maybe I was just doing something wrong, but it turns out the issue was deeper than that. At one point, I felt like I was losing my mind staring at the error messages. If you're currently stuck in a similar loop with your gear, trust me—I feel your pain. It's exhausting. Anyway, I finally managed to sort it out, but it took way more effort than it should have. Just wanted to share this so nobody else wastes their weekend fighting with a printer like I did. Stay sane out there.

The issue with the HP OfficeJet Pro and those original ink cartridges is that they use pigment-based, water-resistant inks. The problem is they oxidize when exposed to air, which is what makes them waterproof in the first place. So, if you’ve got some old ink sitting around for a while, all that oxidation happens right inside the printer itself. We see this constantly at our repair shop. Usually, after we give it a deep clean and swap in a Hummingbird ink kit, the customer ends up with a perfectly working machine—one that probably only printed about ten photos before it was headed for the scrap heap.

Since Hummingbird ink isn't even pigmented or waterproof, you don't really run into that issue even if it sits for a while. But honestly, looking at what's attached here, customers are still buying up the latest models like they've lost their minds.
Andrew Sanders4 Andrew Sanders4 Newcomer
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#66 ·
Got it. Let's move this over to private messages. Talk soon!
bluecobra2 bluecobra2 Newcomer
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#67 ·
Hey everyone!
Quick question—hope you guys can point me in the right direction. I'm totally clueless when it comes to printers, so any advice helps. I'm looking to snag something on Craigslist for around $17. It’s just for basic stuff: faxing, some high school homework for my sister, basically just occasional use. I've been eyeing these models:
HP Envy Photo,
Lexmark,
HP,
HP DeskJet,
HP Envy printer
Any tips on which one is actually reliable without breaking the bank on ink? What should I be looking out for before I pull the trigger?
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#68 ·
bluecobra2 said:Hey everyone!
I have a question, hoping you guys can help me out. I don't know the first thing about printers, so any advice is huge. I'm looking to grab something on Craigslist for around $17. It’s just for personal stuff—faxing, some schoolwork for my sister, basically just occasional use. Here's what I found:
1. Canon HP Envy Photo, == + $33 for the BX 20
2. Lexmark, == = Points
3. HP, which model should I get?
4. HP DeskJet color == = Points,
5. HP Envy printer == + $100 with refillable cartridges + ink
Any tips on which one to pick that actually works and won't break the bank on ink? What should I look out for when buying used?

HP Envy Photo

Then you grab a $33 BX 20 black printhead and you're looking at a capacity of 800 B&W pages

For number 5, just make sure you're happy with the print quality first.

As for $17, there's no way it's working right or printing clearly on paper
bluecobra2 bluecobra2 Newcomer
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#69 ·
rustysurfer79 said:HP Envy Photo

Then you just grab a $33 Lexmark printer black printhead and boom—you've got an 800 B&W page capacity

Check page 5 to see if the print quality actually meets your standards.

With $17, there's zero chance it's working right or printing on both sides.

Wait, what does "Lexmark printer black printhead" even mean?
Here's the link for the HP:
HP DeskJet color:
printer HP Envy: why are you guys pushing continuous ink? I'm not made of money, and dropping extra cash on top of a $50 printer feels like a total rip-off.$100
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#70 ·
bluecobra2 said:What does "BX 20 black head" actually mean?
here's the link for the HP:I've got an inkjet printer up for grabs if anyone's looking for a deal. It’s an HP Envy 5000, works great, just don't need it anymore. Everything is in good shape—it's been a solid little machine for me. If you're interested, shoot me a message and let's talk.
I've been messing around with my old HP DeskJet lately.I’ve got an inkjet printer up for grabs on Craigslist. It's an HP Envy 5000, pretty much in great shape. Honestly, I don't use it nearly enough to justify keeping it, so it's gotta go. If you need something reliable for home use, this is a solid little machine. Shoot me a message if you're interested!
So, about that HP Envy... why am I pushing the continuous ink idea? Look, I totally get it. I’m not exactly rolling in cash either, and spending a bunch more on ink when you only dropped fifty bucks on the printer feels like a total scam. It feels like you're throwing good money after bad. But honestly, once you look at the math, it's a different story. It just saves you from getting ripped off in the long run. $100

Look, if you're checking Craigslist today, even the cheapest brand-new printer is sitting at like $300.$133 That’s like someone trying to sell you a single sheet of paper.

You really think you're gonna come through? $17 And then, tucked inside, I found three twenty-dollar bills. $33.

Sorry, but you won't find that anywhere.

Your only smart move here is to grab an HP LaserJet for... $117 With a full toner tank, you're looking at roughly 3,000 pages.

There's one catch, though. You won't find a USB port on this thing—it only has an LPT port.

The BX 20 is basically a black cartridge designed for the HP Envy Photo that packs about 40 ml of ink. Compare that to the black ink in an HP Envy, which only gives you around 7.5 ml. Not even close.
Michelle Gonzalez11 Michelle Gonzalez11 Member
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#71 ·
Hey there.
I'm looking to pick up a printer/scanner combo—and since I'm basically clueless when it comes to this stuff—I could really use some advice.
My main priorities are basic reliability and a decent scanner (the better quality, the better). Price isn't my biggest concern; what actually matters is avoiding those ridiculous ink costs. I don't see much point in dropping $67 on a machine just to get bled dry by $167 ink refills. I'd much rather invest in a unit that runs around 600-$233 if the ink stays around $25!
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
lonedriver29 lonedriver29 Member
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#72 ·
I picked up a Canon PIXMA last year. It runs fine using third-party inks from Washington, D.C.
The only thing is you probably need a solid firewall to block the printer from hitting the web... maybe just disable its WiFi too.
Actually bought a full set of ink for $26 (4 colors) this past Friday.
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#73 ·
lonedriver29 said:I picked up a Canon PIXMA last year, and honestly, it runs perfectly even with third-party inks from a local shop in Washington, D.C.
The only catch is you gotta have a solid firewall set up to block the printer from hitting the web (basically just kill its WiFi access)
I actually just grabbed a full set of ink for $26 (all 4 colors)

So, let me break down the math for the XP 205
3 * 3.5 = 10.5
1 * 5.5 = 5.5
Total = 16
80 / 16 = $1.75 = 1 ml

Basically, if you go with a Dell and refill the cartridges yourself using a nano defil kit

At 15 ml, you're looking at $8.25
or
25 / 15 = roughly $0.53 = 1 ml

or
3 * 50 ml = $25 + tax
75 / 150 = $0.10 = 1 ml

It all ends up being the same deal
lonedriver29 lonedriver29 Member
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#74 ·
rustysurfer79, I guess I'm with you there. It just takes me maybe five or six months to burn through a whole set since I don't even turn the thing on for weeks at a time. Not really a huge deal, I suppose.
If I actually printed more often, I might take your advice seriously.
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#75 ·
lonedriver29 said:Stima, I'm with you, but I burn through that whole set in like 5 or 6 months (I don't even turn it on for two weeks at a time), so it’s really not that big of a deal.
If I actually printed more often, I’d probably take your advice.

Alright

There's just one other thing the average user doesn't realize. About 20% of the ink they claim is in those disposable cartridges never actually gets used.

How?

We were actually just working on converting some Dell OptiPlex cartridges over to edible ink the other day. Those cartridges are labeled as having a 16 ml capacity. But since we had to flush them out to fill them with the edible stuff, IT TURNED OUT WE COULD ONLY GET 12 ML OF INK OUT. That extra 4 ml was just stuck in the sponge.

Basically, if we couldn't physically pull that 4 ml out, the printer can't spray it onto the paper either. We had to use a few liters of water just to rinse that leftover junk out of the sponge. So, every single time you toss a disposable cartridge, you're essentially throwing 20% of your money away.

In your situation, it's like taking $27 and just $5.25 tossing it in the trash.

But when you refill your own cartridges, you actually get to use all of that $5.25.
rowdywalker25 rowdywalker25 Newcomer
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#76 ·
Which of these two all-in-ones is better for light home use?
The HP Envy ($166) or the HP1515 AiO ($133)?

I'm looking at performance, ink costs, and whether I can get away with using cheaper third-party cartridges...

Thanks!
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#77 ·
rowdywalker25 said:Which of these two all-in-ones is better for light home use:
HP Envy ($166) or the HP 1515 AiO ($133)?

Thinking about performance, ink costs, and how easy it is to use third-party ink...

Thanks!

Old question, same answer.

Neither.

Why?

Because manufacturers pump out these new models specifically because they know the old ones actually meet those needs—and they can't afford to let that much profit slip through their fingers.
rowdywalker25 rowdywalker25 Newcomer
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#78 ·
rustysurfer79 said:Same question, same old answer.

Absolutely none.

Why?

Because manufacturers pump out new models specifically because the older ones actually work. They meet all the specs perfectly, and that’s bad for business. Why let people keep profitable machines running when they can trick you into buying something new? It's just how they bleed your wallet dry.

So what should I actually buy then?
rustysurfer79 rustysurfer79 Member
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#79 ·
rowdywalker25 said:So, what should I actually go out and buy then?

If you’re looking to save some serious cash on printing, you really need to find someone willing to give you a bulk rate for a full run of around 2,000 copies.

Why though?

That’s only because it's the only way you can actually get printing costs down. Besides, that package price already includes a commission just to keep the vendor on their toes.

Look, when you're grabbing pears or apples, just lay them all out on the counter first. Compare them side-by-side to see how much you're actually getting. Check the price per pound for each option—sometimes that third choice ends up being way cheaper for the exact same amount of fruit.

There's no such thing as a free lunch around here.

If you honestly think you can just refill cartridges on your own, go find something similar in your backyard and give it a shot.

I’ve been messing around with my old printer setup lately, trying to figure out if I can get more life out of it without spending a fortune on official supplies. It’s one of those situations where you just want things to work without a headache. I was looking into setting up an Ink Tank System to save some cash on ink, but man, it can be a bit of a gamble. You really have to track everything carefully to make sure you aren't making a mess or ruining the print heads. It's definitely not as simple as just plugging it in and walking away. I remember talking to rustysurfer79 about this a while back, and they had some good points about the risks involved. It’s a fine line between being smart with your money and accidentally turning your desk into an ink graveyard. Honestly, I'm still weighing my options. Is it worth the DIY hassle, or should I just bite the bullet and buy the name-brand cartridges? Sometimes I feel like I'm overthinking it, but hey, that's just me.

If you're looking for something that's just straight up Plug and Play, you might want to hunt down an MFP with a setup like this.
I was digging through some old files and found this link about setting up an Ink Tank System for my printer. It’s basically a guide on how to mod things to get better ink yields. Just thought I'd drop it here in case anyone else is looking to save some cash on printing costs.

Just wanted to share a quick comparison. I’m currently running some tests on this ancient HP LaserJet with an Ink Tank System attached. It’s been chugging along non-stop for about two or three hours now. It’s just spitting out copies of invoices from a database—around 100 pages plus a color memo. Even in Photo mode, it hasn't required a single system reset. $333

Either hunt down a different model on YouTube that shows how to install an Ink Tank System and just try to DIY it yourself.
northernsurfer3 northernsurfer3 Newcomer
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#80 ·
I really have to give a shout-out to the folks on this forum who actually take the time to share what they know with people like me who are completely out of their depth. I appreciate you all.
So, question number one:🙂I’m looking to pick up an all-in-one printer, scanner, and copier combo for my weekend cabin. It wouldn't be used constantly—maybe just once or twice a month. I was leaning toward something from Canon, but honestly, there are so many options I’m having a hard time deciding. I had my eye on either the Dell Latitude or the Dell Latitude, but I'm stuck. I just want the best bang for my buck.
Question number two: While digging through some old threads, I came across this concept of an Ink Tank System, though I'm not entirely sure if they call them refills or tanks. In my main house, I’m running a Canon Pixma 4200, and I find myself swapping out cartridges every 20 days because my kids are printing entire novels for school projects. Is it even possible to retrofit an Ink Tank System into that machine? And if it is, what kind of setup would I actually need to pull that off?

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