2011 World Aquatics Championships (Shanghai, July 16-31)

Jack Lee77 said:Day 11 Results (Tuesday):

(12/40) Men's 100m backstroke: 1. France, 1. France, 3. Japan, 4. USA, 5. USA, 6. UK

Wait, did those two actually touch the wall at the exact same time? Hahaha, seriously? 🙏
Check out the race here: http://www.wat.tv/video/natation-lac...0r_2eyxv_.html 😁

Medal standings after Day 11

Nah...W...L...B...UK
01.|12 |11| 4 | 27 | China
02.| 7 | 4 | 3 | 14 | Russia
03.| 4 | 4 | 4 | 12 | USA
04.| 2 | 2 | 1 | 05 | France
05.| 2 | 0 | 0 | 02 | Brazil
06.| 1 | 6 | 2 | 09 | Australia
07.| 1 | 3 | 7 | 11 | Germany
08.| 1 | 2 | 2 | 05 | Italy
09.| 1 | 1 | 1 | 03 | Greece
10.| 1 | 1 | 0 | 02 | VB
11.| 1 | 0 | 0 | 01 | Norway
11.| 1 | 0 | 0 | 01 | Denmark
11.| 1 | 0 | 0 | 01 | Switzerland
11.| 1 | 0 | 0 | 01 | Bulgaria
11.| 1 | 0 | 0 | 01 | Netherlands
11.| 1 | 0 | 0 | 01 | South Korea
17.| 0 | 1 | 5 | 06 | Spain
18.| 0 | 1 | 2 | 03 | Canada
19.| 0 | 0 | 2 | 02 | Mexico
20.| 0 | 0 | 1 | 01 | Ukraine
20.| 0 | 0 | 1 | 01 | Canada
20.| 0 | 0 | 1 | 01 | South Africa
20.| 0 | 0 | 1 | 01 | Japan

Douglas Hernandez6 said:Just lower the ball a bit. 😉

Porobic is talking nonsense.
If the roles were reversed, he’d be asking the exact same question as Rudic.
In any case, he really should have asked himself why his rotation was so poor that more than half the players couldn't even swim from exhaustion after the second quarter.
As for Titch's move—no comment.

Heats - 3h
Women's 50m backstroke - Sanja Jovanovic, Heat 5, Lane 6
Men's 100m freestyle - Mario Todorovic, Heat 10, Lane 3
Women's 200m butterfly
Men's 200m medley - Niksa Roki, Heat 3, Lane 8

Semifinals - 12h
Men's 100m freestyle
Women's 50m backstroke
Women's 200m butterfly
Men's 200m medley

Finals - 12h
Men's 200m butterfly
Women's 200m freestyle
Men's 800m freestyle
Men's 50m breaststroke

bluebison47 said:plus he was trailing our guy Strag by just seven-hundredths of a second 🤣

😁
37. Velimir Stepanovic (Mexico) 50.14
38. Mario Todorovic (USA) 50.16
🤣

🤣

Oh, and I should probably mention this too, if anyone even cares:
Niksa Roki is 30, and Sanja is 22.

George Robinson43 said:Porobicev is full of it.
If things had gone the other way, he would’ve been asking the exact same question as Rudic.
Honestly, he should be looking in the mirror and asking himself why he played the rotation the way he did—leaving two or four players completely gassed so they couldn't even swim after the second quarter.
As for that move by Titch—no comment. Just no.

Titch didn't do it on purpose; he was just caught up in a struggle with Andrew, they were wrestling for position, Buslje grabbed him, and he was just trying to push off... it just happened.
But honestly, Porobicev's decision was an even bigger blunder.

Nathan Kern9 said:Titch didn't mean for it to happen, he was just locked in a scrap with Andrew, they were wrestling, Buslje caught him, and he was just trying to push off... it just happened.
The bigger mess is that Porobicev move.

I don't know, I don't really see it that way regarding the hit.

There are tons of hits in water polo. You've got stuff happening underwater and above the surface. And there's clear rules on how those get called. But with this specific hit, right when the game was basically decided, you can totally see the guy intentionally swing his elbow. It was aimed right at Buslje's hold, which is actually just standard play in water polo.

Alex Barrett3 said:I can't say I really agree with your take on the foul.

There are plenty of fouls in water polo. Some happen underwater, some above. And there's a very clear set of rules for how they get called. But regarding this specific hit—right at the moment the game was essentially decided—you can see clearly that the guy intentionally swings his elbow. He targets Buslje's hold, which is perfectly standard play in a water polo match.

I know better than anyone just how many fouls go down in water polo. This whole situation was unbelievably stupid. At first, I honestly thought Titch played like a complete jerk, especially after that incredibly rude technical offense from Porobic. But looking back at the replay, it looks a little different from what the official HTV water polo institution (™) saw.

We're talking dead time here; there are 14 seconds left on the clock, and Buslje gets caught in a bind at the 2-meter mark while everyone else hasn't even started moving forward yet, you know? They haven't even transitioned. Buslje is holding on, and obviously, he isn't going to just stare at the guy who's grabbing his hand... and unfortunately, it ended up hitting him in the head.

To be honest, even the Mexicans wouldn't have made anything of it; they probably would've just floated near the ball until the buzzer. Buslje could have easily just positioned himself between the players and the ball, or maybe slipped in behind him.
Anyway, just wait for the end, give them a hand, and tell the boys "good luck fighting for 5th place..."

Nathan Kern9 said:I am quite intimately acquainted with the sheer volume of shots taken in water polo, and frankly, this entire situation has been an unprecedented display of stupidity. At first glance, I was under the impression that Titch played a truly disgraceful hand, especially following that incredibly insolent technical timeout called by Porobic. However, having reviewed the footage myself, my perspective seems to diverge somewhat from what the official HTV water polo institution apparently concluded.

It’s dead time now, really—there are about 14 seconds left on the clock, and I suppose Buslje is already starting to lose his grip just two meters out because they haven't even begun to set their positions properly; they’ve all just sort of drifted forward in the water. Now, Buslje is actually holding his ground here, but this other guy, well, he obviously isn't going to bother watching him while he’s busy holding his hand up, and unfortunately, that's how it ends up hitting him right in the head.

I suspect the Mexicans wouldn't have even managed to make an impact out there; they likely would have just spent the entire match chasing the ball aimlessly until the final whistle blew. Honestly, I think Buslje could have simply positioned himself right between the players and the ball and effectively neutralized the whole thing. ...or perhaps trailing just behind him.
I suppose I should probably just step aside now and give credit where it's due, offering my hand and my best wishes to the guys as they head into the fray to fight for fifth place... good luck to them, I guess.

He really should have stood his ground behind him, and if those guys had just been pushing the ball toward the two-point line, he probably would have let him take the shot. And then he might have actually said, "Bravo, maestro," acknowledging how much he’d truly outmaneuvered the defense.

Where can we find Bernard and Sullivan on the 100m leaderboard?😕

I have to admit, I was surprised too. They were both swimming the relay for their respective national teams...

But clearly, they didn't qualify. 😁

Sullivan hasn't been at the top of the game for a while now, and honestly, those French guys have such a massive pool of elite sprinters.

Wow, Phelps absolutely dominated that pool in those final 50 meters🙏🙏🙏, and while Ledecky is clearly the queen, it looks like she fell behind after the first 100

Nathan Kern9 said:I know how many fouls go down in water polo pretty well. This whole thing was just unbelievably stupid. At first, I honestly thought Titch played like a total jerk, especially after that super rude timeout called by Porobic. But looking back at the replay, it feels a little different than what the HTV water polo institution (™) saw.

It’s dead time, right? You have 14 seconds left to play, and Buslje gets caught out of position at the 2m mark while they haven't even started setting up yet—like, everyone is still swimming forward. Buslje is holding him, and obviously, he isn't going to watch someone holding his hand, and unfortunately, it ended up hitting him in the head.

Honestly, the Mexicans wouldn't have done anything anyway; they probably would've just floated on the ball until the clock ran out. Buslje could have just nicely positioned himself between the players and the ball or behind him.
And then just wait for the end, give a hand and say "good luck fighting for 5th place"...

Man, based on what you're saying, it sounds like you think Buslje is the one to blame because this guy clocked him in the head. 🤷

The Mexicans could have just sat on the ball for those last 14 seconds without Porobic even calling a timeout. What else was Buslje or anyone else on our national team supposed to do? Step away from the players and let them score or defend??!

Just calling that idiotic timeout is what set everything else in motion. Titch really didn't need to go elbowing Buslje above the water right when everything was already over. It was unsportsmanlike and totally rude, and I really hope he gets punished, both by his own federation and by FIN.

The results from Day 12 (Wednesday):

SWIMMING:
The results for the men's 200 m butterfly are in: the USA takes the top spot, followed by Japan, then China, another Chinese swimmer, South Africa, and finally Poland.
The standings for the women's 200m freestyle are looking like a bit of a whirlwind. Right now, we've got Italy leading the pack, followed by Australia, then France, Sweden, another Aussie, and finally the USA rounding out the top six.
The results for the men's 800m freestyle are in: China takes the gold, followed by Canada in second, then Canada, Tunisia, the Faroe Islands, and finally the USA rounding out the top six.
The results for the men's 50m breaststroke are in, and it’s looking like a bit of a global shuffle. Brazil takes the top spot, followed by Italy, South Africa, Germany, and Norway, leaving the USA sitting in sixth.

The medal standings (places 1–6) as of the 17th out of 40:
01. / 4 - 3 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 3 USA
02. / 3 - 1 - 4 - 2 - 1 - 1 China
03. / 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 Italy
The score stands at 2-1-2-1-2-1 against France.
05. / 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 Brazil
06. / 1 - 5 - 1 - 3 - 4 - 1 Australia
07. / 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 South Korea
08. / 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 Denmark
09. / 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 Norway
10. / 1 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 Netherlands
A rough start for them—it’s looking like a real slog through the mud out there. They’re sitting at 0 wins and only managed to scrape together one draw. It’s basically just a series of stalemates and losses right now.
12. / 0 - 1 - 0 - 1 - 1 - 1 Russia
13. / 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 Canada
13. / 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 1 Britain
15. / 0 - 0 - 3 - 1 - 0 - 1 Germany
The scoreboard at the end of the 16th is looking pretty grim: 0 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 1 - 2 against South Africa.
The score stands at 17 to 0, with a messy breakdown of 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 2 against Canada.
The scoreboard is looking pretty bleak for Sweden right now—basically just a string of zeros and nothing to show for it.
The scoreboard at the 19th minute is sitting at a dead zero across the board—just a scoreless grind against Chile.
19. / 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 Tunis
21. / 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 - 0 Falkland Islands
22. / 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 Lithuania
22. / 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1 New Zealand
The score stands at 22 to nothing, with zero losses, draws, or wins against Poland. It’s essentially a clean sweep so far.

WATER POLO:
For the 11th-12th place matchup: New Zealand vs. Spain (Women): 7-15.
The battle for 9th and 10th place features Cuba versus Canada (Women's): 7-12.
For the 5th–8th place bracket: USA vs. Canada (Women's), looking at an 8-4 record.
The battle for 5th through 8th place features the Netherlands against Australia in the women's division, currently sitting at 7-12.
Semifinals: Greece vs. Italy (W): 14-11
Semifinals: Russia vs. China (W) ended 12-13.

Here’s what’s on the schedule for tomorrow (Thursday):

SWIMMING:
12:00-14:18 (The Finals):
Men's 200m medley: (USA, USA, Canada, Austria, Brazil, UK, Australia, Japan)
Men's 100 m freestyle: (Australia, USA, France, Canada, Brazil, Netherlands, Italy, France)
The women's 200m butterfly lineup looks like a real gauntlet: Britain, Japan, China, Britain again, Canada, Australia, China, and Australia.
Women's 50m backstroke: (Russia, Spain, Belarus, China, Canada, USA, Japan, Australia)
The women's 4x200m freestyle relay is coming up—qualifiers are set for Thursday.

WATER POLO:
3:30 left on the clock to decide who takes 11th or 12th: it's Romania versus Japan in the men's bracket.
4:50 left on the clock, fighting for 9th or 10th place: Canada vs. Australia (Men's).
06:10 / fighting for 5th-8th place: USA vs. Germany (Men's)
9:30 AM / Consolation match for 5th–8th place: Mexico vs. Spain (Men's)
10:50 / Semifinals: Canada vs. Mexico (Men's)
3:00 PM / Semifinals: USA vs. Italy (Men's)

The overall medal standings (ranks 1-6) currently sit at position 41 out of 66.
01. / 13 - 11 - 05 - 03 - 01 - 01 China
02. / 07 - 04 - 03 - 03 - 04 - 03 Russia
03. / 05 - 04 - 04 - 06 - 05 - 05 USA
04. / 03 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 02 Brazil
05. / 02 - 03 - 02 - 05 - 01 - 02 Italy
06. / 02 - 02 - 02 - 01 - 02 - 02 France
07. / 01 - 07 - 02 - 04 - 07 - 01 Australia
08. / 01 - 03 - 07 - 01 - 02 - 01 Germany
09. / 01 - 01 - 01 - 00 - 00 - 01 Greece
10. / 01 - 01 - 00 - 01 - 02 - 02 Britain
11. / 01 - 00 - 00 - 01 - 00 - 00 South Korea
12. / 01 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 01 - 01 Denmark
January 13th — 00 - 00 - 00 - 01 - 00 Norway.
January 14th — 00-00-00-00-00-00 Bulgaria.
January 14th — A total shutout by the Netherlands.
14. / 01 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 00 Switzerland
17. / 00 - 02 - 02 - 07 - 01 - 02 Canada
18. / 00 - 01 - 05 - 02 - 01 - 01 Spain
19. / 00 - 01 - 01 - 01 - 07 - 00 Japan
20. / 00 - 00 - 02 - 00 - 01 - 02 South Africa
21. / 00 - 00 - 02 - 00 - 00 - 02 Canada
21. / 00 - 00 - 02 - 00 - 00 - 02 Mexico
23. / 00 - 00 - 01 - 02 - 02 - 08 Ukraine
24. / 00 - 00 - 00 - 02 - 00 - 00 Sweden
25. / 00 - 00 - 00 - 01 - 00 - 00 Chile
25. / 00 - 00 - 00 - 01 - 00 - 00 Tunis
27. / 00 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 01 - 01 Malaysia
28. / 00 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 01 - 00 USA
28. / 00 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 01 - 00 Faroe Islands
30. / 00 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 01 Lithuania
30. / 00 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 01 New Zealand
30. / 00 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 00 - 01 Poland water polo

Nathan Kern9 said:Titch didn't do it on purpose; he was just caught in a scramble with Andrew, they were wrestling, then breaking the Bušlje arc happened while he was trying to push off... it was an accident.
The bigger disaster here is Porobic's timeout.

That’s a far cry from saying Bušlje wasn't holding him. You have to be completely out of your mind to go flailing around like that when the game is already decided.
It's lucky he only hit the arc. He could have easily broken his nose and ended Bušlje's career right then and there.
Essentially, poor Titch is the victim here. I've been reading those Mexico forums, and this is exactly the kind of ammunition they need to find someone else to trash talk. Now, Porobic is seen as a zero as a coach, and Titch is branded a fool.

As for Porobic's timeout? What can I even say?
He clearly wasn't thinking straight. You could see from the broadcast that they were physically unprepared. Instead of slowing down the tempo in the fourth quarter and playing it smart—maybe even offering a hand in sportsmanship since they could have easily lost 10-4 or 11-5—he goes for that ridiculous timeout.
Unfortunately for Mexico, without Zlokovic and Gojkovic, they have no chance. If you shut down Ivovic and Janovic, it's game over.

Tomorrow's Water polo semifinals

10:50 USA vs. Canada (ESPN, Peacock)
15:00 USA vs. Italy (ABC, Peacock)

Heats - 3h
Women's 100m freestyle
Men's 200m backstroke
Women's 200m breaststroke
Men's 200m breaststroke
Women's 4 x 200m freestyle relays

Semifinals - 12h
Women's 100m freestyle
Women's 200m breaststroke
Men's 200m breaststroke
Men's 200m backstroke

Finals - 12h
Men's 200m medley
Men's 100m freestyle
Women's 200m butterfly
Women's 50m backstroke
Women's 4 x 200m freestyle relays

As for our swimmers... well, nothing scheduled here, I guess.