Best offshore sportsbooks for online betting?

Samuel Ramos87 said:Hey berigoj, here are the Pinnacle rules for handicaps. Just look under section 5, Handicap Betting, in the soccer category.

http://www.pinnaclesports.com/en/hel...g-rules#Soccer

Here's a quick comparison between DraftKings and Marathon.

today's game:

Seattle Sounders-Portland Timbers odds for a "1" are 2 at both places.

Betting at DraftKings:$33
payout:$60.
95(5% vig) * 2 = 190
95:10 = 9.5 (10% tax)
190 - 9.5 = $60

profit: $27

Betting at Marathon:$33
payout > $67

profit:$33

In this scenario, you walk away with 19.5% more by using Marathon.

Another example. Here are the odds for today's three most popular bets over at DraftKings.

AS Roma-Atalanta BC 1 @ 1.45
CF Villarreal-Córdoba CF 1 @ 1.3
Manchester City-West Ham 1 @ 1.25

total odds: 2.3563
stake:$33
payout:$70
profit:110.97

Betting at Marathon

AS Roma-Atalanta BC 1 @ 1.42
CF Villarreal-Córdoba CF 1 @ 1.3
Manchester City-West Ham 1 @ 1.27

total odds: 2.344
stake:$33
payout: 234.44
profit:134.44

With this one, we make 17.46% more by going with Marathon.

Your math is off. In the first case, the profit at Marathon is actually 24.22% higher than DraftKings, and in the second, it's 21.14%.

Whatever, moving on. Look, for me, these bets seem decent today: GSW-NOP over 204.5 points, Davis over 25.5 points, Asik over 7.5 rebounds, Green over 9.5 rebounds, Pachulia over 6.5 rebounds. Total odds at DraftKings are 16.81. On a stake of $33, the payout is 1597.40, minus 150.24 in tax, leaving 1447.16—so profit is 1347.16 (assuming everything hits, obviously).

Now someone—maybe even >—tell me what my profit would be at Marathon.

How many Champions League matches will go into extra time tonight (4/21/2015)? 04/21/15 8:45 PM
2.90 More than 0.5 matches
1.35 Fewer than 0.5 matches

Odds from BetMGM.

Does this just apply to tonight's matchups (FC Barcelona and Bayern Munich)?
It seems like they're basically saying there won't be a 3:1 win for Bayern Munich or a 1:3 win for PSG. I guess that's probably a decent bet.

Since the odds look identical and there’s a date listed for April 22nd alongside other coefficients, isn't it obvious this is strictly for today?
In reality, betting 1.35 that Bayern Munich-Porto won't end in a 3:1 scoreline is just common sense, right?

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Wait, how exactly did you land on the idea that the profit at Marathon is 24.22% higher? I mean—if we're looking at net winnings—it's $27 at SS versus $33 at Marathon. If you take the higher winning amount as the baseline—you know, 100%—then the difference between those two payouts is $6.50, which works out to about 19.5%, meaning the profit is actually up by 19.5%. So, yeah... maybe walk me through your math there? I'm curious.

edit: Oh, I see what happened now. My bad. I was using the higher win as my base, but I should have used the lower one instead—I basically did the math backward. You laid it out pretty clearly. I just calculated the percentage of the gain relative to the larger payout and then subtracted the numbers. Simple mistake, I guess.

I don't really mess with overs, unders, or player point totals, though—you can pretty much click your way through those if you want. It’ll show you the odds on the right side, kind of like how SuperSport does it.

https://www.marathonbet.com/en/

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Samuel Ramos87 said:@casualskipper65/">@@casualskipper65

I am curious as to how you arrived at the conclusion that the profit at Marathon is higher by 24.22%. The net gain at SS is $27 whereas at Marathon it is $33. If one considers the larger gain as the baseline of 100%, the difference between these two yields is $6.50, which equates to 19.5%; therefore, the profit is actually 19.5% higher. I would appreciate it if you could clarify the logic behind your specific calculation.

edit: I see my error now. I should have utilized the lower gain as the 100% benchmark, but I inadvertently performed the calculation in reverse. Your explanation was quite clear. I had simply calculated the percentage of the smaller gain relative to the larger one and subtracted the figures.

I do not personally wager on over/under markets or individual player point totals, though it is certainly possible to select those options with a few clicks. You can easily calculate the odds on the right side of the interface, much like you would on SuperSport.

https://www.marathonbet.com/en/

That is not possible because at Marathon, as with most major online sportsbooks, you cannot combine match results, over/unders, and player prop bets from the same game into a single parlay. That is precisely why I asked the question.

Just got hit with a PayPal email titled 🤔

Opened it up, and apparently, someone just sent 65 bucks from my account to some guy eroglu (sezercik_88@hotmail.com). 😠

Anyone else dealt with this crap before?
I already pinged Help Center, but honestly... I'm not holding my breath. 😠

Bryan Adams6 said:I just got an email from PayPal with the subject line transfer Successful 🤔

I opened it, and apparently $60 was sent from my account to some guy eroglu (sezercik_88@hotmail.com). 😠

Anyone ever dealt with this before?
I reached out to Help Center, but... I’m not holding my breath. 😠

I doubt you're seeing that money again; happens more than you'd think. People lose tens of thousands of $$$ all the time. I'm talking about PayPal here.
Watch what you post and check your security settings. Honestly, even a forum like this can be used to track you down and drain your accounts.

Go ahead and post it once those folks from the help center actually get back to you. Honestly, for pretty much every website and email account out there, you really ought to be using unique passwords—the kind that aren't just sitting in some dictionary—and they definitely need to have a mix of uppercase, lowercase, symbols, and numbers. Just throw them all together randomly, I guess. And please, for the love of everything, stay away from those predictable patterns like qwerty, asdfgh, or things like 1a2b3c... if you do that, well, you might be somewhat secure, but I mean, if someone actually decides to target you specifically, there’s probably not much hope left anyway.

jadesailor said:Look,

You can't do it because at Marathon and most other US sportsbooks, you can't parlay a game's spread, the over/under, and player props all from the same matchup. That’s why he was asking you.

And it doesn't stop there. You can't even (at least not at Marathon) combine two different players from the same game—for example, you can't put a parlay together with an under on Williams and an over on Teague.

On top of that, betting on the NBA right now—specifically player prop points—is huge (and honestly pretty profitable), but you won't find that kind of action on the overseas sites. They're missing a ton of options we have here, just like we're missing some specific stuff they offer.

Bottom line: just like some people "can't believe anyone serious still bets with domestic books," I can't wrap my head around any self-proclaimed serious bettor tossing out a sportsbook entirely just because of the vig or taxes.

"I mean, I honestly can't believe anyone who thinks they’re actually serious about this would just toss out a bet entirely because of the vig and taxes."
Look, call me whatever you want, but I'm being dead serious when I say betting on any of our local books has felt totally wrong ever since that 10% tax hit us. I thought I could stomach the 5% vig—it was annoying, sure—but this new stuff? They really overstepped the mark. I've been at this for maybe 15 years now, mostly sticking to tennis and basic moneyline soccer bets, so I know what I'm doing. What's with all this childish bickering, though? You guys are still hitting me up about Marathon, too. It's always going to be "oh, he started it first"—honestly, it sounds like something kids would argue about on a playground back in elementary school. 🙂

And who’s even arguing here? You were just throwing out examples to prove how much better it is to bet on offshore sites rather than domestic ones. I gave you a counterpoint to show that it isn't all black and white—there are plenty of gray areas you can't just ignore.

If I'm just betting on player points props, I'm sticking with Miami. Not only do they dodge the tax hit, but the odds are generally better too. When it comes to baseball, I'm hitting up Miami again because the lines are sharper and the payouts are higher. But when it comes to basketball in general—where I like to parlay a game outcome (either moneyline or total points) with player props—I actually prefer using the local books. Most offshore sites won't let you combine those specific bets, so in that scenario, the US guys are better. It's the same deal with Over/Under totals combined with player props, or pairing a game result with a player scoring. For instance, I've been consistently betting on LA Galaxy + Henriquez to score, which has been a gold mine lately since the odds are still sitting north of 3.0.

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Bryan Adams6 said:I just saw an email from PayPal with the subject line Transfer Successful 🤔

I opened the email, and it says $58 was sent from my account to some guy eroglu (sezercik_88@hotmail.com). 😠

Has anyone dealt with something like this before?
I reached out to the Help Center, but... I'm not expecting much luck.😠

I haven't even started betting yet, but I have to admit, this is pretty discouraging. I was planning on using PayPal for my deposits. It also seems suspicious that they didn't even refund that small charge to my debit card that was used for the initial PayPal registration.

Bryan Adams6 said:Just saw an email hit my inbox from PayPal with the subject line "transfer Successful" 🤔

I open the damn thing, and it says $58 was sent from my account to some guy eroglu (sezercik_88@hotmail.com). 😠

Anyone dealt with this before?
I reached out to the Support center, but... honestly, I’m not holding my breath for anything good.😠

There isn't much they can do for you—you probably leaked your password or login info somewhere, someone hopped onto your account, and now your cash is gone. Did you get any weird emails from "PayPal" recently asking you to verify or enter some data??

A few months back, I ran into something similar where I got an email from "PayPal" (quotes intended in both cases), but the sender was something like:
no-reply@email.payPAll.com (those last two characters were actually capital "i"s instead of "L"s) with a link to their site, claiming I needed to fill out some details as a routine check. Since I've been using them for basically a decade, it felt incredibly sketchy—first time seeing something like that.

If you click that link, everything looks legit, like you're actually on paypal.com, but you're really on some hyper-realistic clone site. You log in with a FAKE password (just to test it), and it tells you the login worked—boom, you're caught. Then they ask for the usual stuff (credit card numbers, address, etc.). In the worst-case scenario, if you fall for it, the absolute minimum you need to do is change your password immediately. I didn't take the bait because the email looked off and the whole "procedure" was totally unprecedented.

So yeah, it's entirely possible you handed over your PayPal credentials in a similar way and someone just swooped in. Money bye-bye...

Charles Wright said:I haven't even started betting yet, but I gotta admit, this has completely soured me on the idea. I was planning on depositing via PayPal. It also feels shady that they never actually refunded that tiny amount they charged just to register on PayPal.

You have to withdraw that small amount yourself; they don't just toss it back to you automatically. I've used PayPal for years—since back when they were still PayPal—and I've never had issues as long as I followed their protocols. The only real headache is how slow their customer support is; you're better off calling them instead of sending emails.
I even managed to get them to change my currency after years of usage, which is technically against the rules. 😉

What’s the actual difference for the bookie if I deposit my stake directly with them instead of using PayPal from my debit card?

So, can I run into any tax trouble if I transfer winnings from an offshore sportsbook directly into my checking account?

Charles Wright said:What’s the actual difference for the bookie if I fund my account through their site instead of using PayPal directly from my debit card?

The perks of PayPal:
-No one in the US—like the IRS—can track these specific transactions.
-Faster withdrawals (we're talking minutes to a few hours).

The downsides of PayPal:
-Transaction fees (either your bank hits you with a fee, or PayPal charges a cut for card deposits).
-Security (let's be real, keeping money in a major US bank is safer than leaving it in a PayPal account).

Walter Edwards said:They can't touch you unless you leaked your PayPal login somewhere. Someone probably swiped your credentials and drained the account. Did you get any weird emails from "PayPal" lately asking you to verify some info??

A few months back, I ran into something similar. I got an email from "PayPal" (quotes intended), and it looked like this:
no-reply@email.paypaII.com (those last two characters are actually capital "i"s, not "l"s) with a link to their site, claiming I needed to fill out some details for a routine check. Since I've been using them for like 10 years, it smelled fishy. First time I've ever seen anything like it.

If you click the link, it looks like you're on paypal.com, but you're actually on a clone site. You log in with a FAKE password just to test it, and it tells you it worked—boom, you're hooked. Then they ask for the usual crap: credit card numbers, address, etc. Worst case scenario if you fall for it, you just gotta change your passwords immediately. I didn't take the bait because the sender address was sketchy and the whole "routine check" thing was unprecedented.

Bottom line: you probably handed over your PayPal password somehow and someone jumped on it. Money's gone...

Look, I know the money's gone. It wasn't a massive fortune, but I could've done way more with it. 😁

It's probably exactly what you said, I just don't get how. I don't open suspicious emails. The only stuff I get from PayPal is those annoying promos about collecting those damn stars, and I barely even read those.

Whatever, lesson learned... could've been worse.
I'll just grab a token and then I shouldn't have these issues anymore. 🙂