Best protein powders for muscle gain?

It’s hilarious watching these newbies who just bought their first tub of protein. They act like it's some life-altering decision whether they mix it with water or milk. Honestly? Just go grab a few cartons of milk while you're at the Vitamin Shoppe and save yourself the trouble. But hey, if you'd rather listen to the "experts," go hang out on those hardcore bodybuilding forums where guys who've been training for decades swear by water.

Alright, look—I’m 5'11" and about 147 lbs. For the last couple of months, I’ve been grinding at home for at least an hour every single day, plus I hit up a local gym twice a week where I really push myself to the limit. I definitely want to pack on some muscle—which I have already started doing over these past two months (it’s noticeable, don't get me wrong), but I want more mass overall. I’m planning on picking up some whey elite protein—

As for my diet... well... it’s neither healthy nor planned out at all. I just eat whenever I'm hungry and whatever happens to be around. I realize I’m not going to end up looking like Rambo this way, but surely I can still make some progress, right?

The plan is to take 125g a day right after my workouts and drink plenty of water immediately after. Am I doing something wrong here? Will I actually see results, or am I just asking for trouble? Thanks in advance for the input...

boldtinker1 said:I love how the newbies who just bought their first tub of protein act like it’s a life-altering decision whether they mix it with milk or water. My advice? Go ahead and buy a few gallons of milk. For those actually listening to veterans, check the bodybuilding forums—you'll see guys who have been training for decades swearing by water.

It’s precisely because people like you have brainwashed the masses that forums like this even exist—to serve as a guide for smarter training methods. Personally, I wish we saw more actual athletes or strength coaches posting here, though I'm starting to lose hope.
Take this one guy I know: he’s rocking about 260 lbs of pure muscle. He entered a competition once, and while his leg symmetry was a disaster, he still stepped up. Because of sheer ignorance, he ended up collapsing from dehydration. After talking to him a few times, it became clear he knows next to nothing about sports science, nutrition, or proper programming. He’s just massive because he lives in the gym year-round, follows whatever programs his trainers hand him, and happens to have elite genetics.
You don't look to someone like that for sound advice. Interestingly, he doesn't even bother with standard PWM whey plus glucose; instead, he relies on these complex, all-in-one meal replacement powders loaded with multi-component proteins, monosaccharides, polysaccharides, vitamins, and minerals. Some "expert" likely sold him on it...
The bottom line is this: just because someone looks like a pro bodybuilder doesn't mean you should blindly follow their lead.

boldtinker1 said:I honestly love these guys who buy protein powder for the first time and act like it’s some life-or-death crisis whether they mix it with milk or water. I almost want to tell them to just go grab a few gallons of milk while they're at it. Then you have the ones who actually listen to the veterans—they head over to those hardcore bodybuilding forums where people who have been training for decades swear by water.

And don't even get me started on the people who, heaven help us, don't even bother with protein at all.😲

Total 5/5. I actually followed those exact tips—oats and whey in the morning, creatine, and mixing my protein powder with water. It worked wonders for me. Usually, I have a hell of a time putting on any weight at all..
And just a heads-up—guys with mustaches should probably stay away from whey altogether. I heard all that protein just ends up fueling the mustache growth, so... god forbid.

boldtinker1 said:I’d give that a solid 5. I actually followed those exact suggestions—oatmeal and whey in the morning, creatine, and some protein powder mixed with water—and honestly, you could really see the results on my physique. It’s not like I have an easy time putting on weight otherwise; it's usually a struggle for me..
And just a heads-up—people with mustaches probably shouldn't be talking about whey. I heard all that extra protein just ends up fueling your mustache growth, so... god forbid.

Nice... personally, I still make sure to eat cookies at least twice a week, even when I'm trying to cut down.

So, my expert advice to everyone? Stick to a strict diet while hitting the gym, but don't forget the cookies. 😉

Regarding how much glucose you should be taking in, I’m not going to weigh in on that part, since it really depends on whether you're an ectomorph, an endomorph, or somewhere in between...
What actually matters is the balance between your pre-workout, intra-workout, and PWM.
Each of those windows should ideally include both whey and glucose. Why pair whey with glucose? Well, let's think about it... if the glucose spikes your insulin levels, that elevated insulin can lead to better muscle hyperemia, which means increased blood flow, ultimately ensuring your muscles are getting hit with more nutrients when they need them most.
Even for someone just training for fitness rather than pro competition, using glucose alongside whey is definitely more beneficial.
You don't exactly need to be some prodigy to wrap your head around that logic.

To quote a colleague of mine from another forum:

"Once insulin binds to its receptors, GLUT-4 moves from inside the cell to the surface of the cell membrane—essentially 'tunneling' through the membrane—where it changes shape upon binding with a glucose molecule, allowing the glucose to diffuse into the cell.

Based on that mechanism, you can't really conclude that glucose isn't necessary in your PWM, or that protein alone is a sufficient substitute.

There is a very high probability that if you consume protein without high-GI carbs, your liver will simply convert it into glucose via gluconeogenesis, at which point it's transported just like any other sugar. "

I'm currently on a ketogenic diet myself, so for me personally, neither whey nor glucose is even on the table right now,
but when I cycle back to high carbs, this is how I handle it...
Actually, I treat my pre-workout and intra-workout as essentially the same thing since I sip it slowly, and then I finish things off with my PWM at the very end of the session.
There are quite a few people here who seem to lack even the most basic foundational knowledge. I'm not trying to insult anyone, but it would be great if we could all help each other out with solid, practical advice that's actually educational.
Most of this stuff is already out there on the internet, mostly just copy-pasted info. You might as well just Google it and copy-paste it yourselves, because honestly, you might actually learn something that way.
It's like being back in high school or college, trying to cheat on a specific subject... you show up to the exam only to realize you didn't even need to cheat because you ended up memorizing the material while you were busy scribbling it down on that damn little scrap of paper.
Stay healthy and train as hard as you can.
Cheers 🙂

dustyhawk32 said:I’m not going to weigh in on specific glucose intake numbers. It’s a moving target that depends entirely on your body type—whether you're an ectomorph, an endomorph, or somewhere in between.
Pre-WM, DURWM, and PWM all carry equal weight.
Everyone should be pairing their whey with glucose. Why bother with that combo? Simple: glucose triggers an insulin spike. That elevated insulin level drives increased muscle hyperemia—basically, you're cranking up the blood flow. More blood flow means your muscles get a much more efficient delivery of nutrients. It’s basic physiology.
Mixing glucose with your whey protein might seem like a smart move, but for a casual lifter, it’s mostly just extra calories you don't actually need. It isn't exactly harmful, but the benefits are marginal at best. Unless you're training like a pro athlete, you're better off keeping it simple.
You don't need to be some child prodigy to grasp that.

To quote my colleague Janjetina from another forum:

Once insulin binds to its receptors, GLUT-4 migrates from the interior of the cell to the surface. Think of it like a tunnel being constructed through the cell membrane; once it reaches the perimeter and latches onto a glucose molecule, it undergoes a conformational change. This structural shift essentially opens the gate, allowing glucose to diffuse freely into the cell.

You can't draw the conclusion from this data that glucose in PWM is unnecessary, nor can you claim that protein alone serves as an adequate substitute.

If you're consuming solo protein without any high-GI carbs, there’s a massive chance—given the metabolic circumstances—that your liver is just going to kick gluconeogenesis into gear and convert that protein directly into glucose. At that point, it's being transported through your system exactly like any other sugar.

I’m currently running a keto diet, so for me, there is absolutely no room for whey protein or glucose in my regimen. It's a non-starter.
But when I'm cycling UH, this is how I handle my supplementation...
To be honest, I view PREWM and DURWM as essentially the same thing since I take them so gradually. I just save the PWM for the very end of my workout.
There are far too many people here lacking even the most fundamental knowledge. I’m not trying to offend anyone, but it would be incredibly beneficial if we could actually help one another with high-quality, common-sense advice that serves an educational purpose.
Everything is online now; most of what people ask is just a lazy copy-paste job. Honestly, just Google it and copy-paste the answer if you have to—at least that way you might actually learn something in the process.
It’s like being back in high school or sitting through a college lecture, trying to sneak a cheat sheet into an exam. You spend all that energy frantically scribbling notes onto a tiny scrap of paper just to get by, only to sit down for the test and realize you don't even need it. By the time you finished copying everything down, you had already memorized it.
Live healthy, stay fit, and train as hard as you can.
Cheers. 🙂

Could you really find no one else to talk to besides that "lamb" philosopher? He seems like a sharp kid—probably an MIT grad.
Alright, let me throw a quote your way then:

Nutritionism.

Darija Vranešić, B.S., The Vitamin Shoppe - nutritional consulting services

I hit the gym with one goal in mind: hypertrophy. My trainer suggested a specific post-workout stack—roughly 80g of glucose, 40g of whey protein, 5g of creatine, and 5g of glutamine (I grab my glucose from Vitamin Shoppe). The logic is straightforward: the glucose provides a rapid energy spike and triggers an insulin surge, which essentially acts as a shuttle to drive those other nutrients straight into the muscle cells. For the rest of the day, I stick to low-glycemic carbs and keep my protein intake at about 2g per kilogram of lean mass. To give you some context on my stats: I’m 21 years old, 6'3", 207 lbs, and sitting at around 12% body fat. I’ve been training consistently for three years now. I’ve been running this specific post-workout protocol for three months, and the results speak for themselves—my muscle gains have become noticeably more efficient.
I'm looking for some insight on this specific meal setup. Specifically, can consuming that much glucose at once actually take a toll on the pancreas?
I haven't seen any posts from Goran Š. yet.

Don't bother exceeding 1.5 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. For you, that caps out at 141 grams total. Pushing past that limit isn't some magic trick for muscle growth; it's just wasted effort. In fact, keeping your protein intake chronically high can actually backfire by straining your kidneys and liver, potentially leading to a toxic buildup of ammonia in your system. Your current body fat percentage is perfectly acceptable, but if your goal is to lean out while building muscle, don't let that number drop below six percent.
To maximize muscle glycogen synthesis, aim for 2 grams of carbohydrates per kilogram of body weight post-workout. A standard rule of thumb is to consume 100g of carbs within a 30-minute window following intense training. Adding five to nine grams of protein for every 100g of carbs helps balance insulin secretion and further supports muscle glycogen synthesis. Using pure glucose as your primary carb source might be a mistake; its high osmolality can trigger digestive issues. This is why most high-end sports drinks opt for maltodextrin, which offers significantly lower osmolality.
Creatine is a compound naturally found in meat and fish, frequently used as an athletic supplement, though people still debate its absolute efficacy and safety profile. Because creatine causes water retention, staying properly hydrated while supplementing is non-negotiable. I also suggest cycling off creatine for a few months periodically; the stores you build up during a month of supplementation will last you two or three months anyway.
Glutamine is an amino acid that has proven useful for athletes due to its positive impact on muscle mass and immune function, but keep in mind that a five-gram dose is just a small addition to your total daily protein requirement.

Someone could easily misinterpret a write-up like this and end up slamming 100g of pure glucose after a workout instead of a balanced carbohydrate blend.
We discuss this exact point here, but it looks like you misunderstood as well............................
Besides, if you actually believe that recovery speed for a recreational lifter depends primarily on glycogen replenishment, please explain the logic behind that.

dustyhawk32 said:I'm not going to weigh in on specific glucose dosages. That depends entirely on whether you're an ectomorph or an endomorph...
What actually matters is the balance between PRE-WM, DURWM, and PWM.
Every one of those should include both whey and glucose. Why pair whey with glucose? HMMM—because glucose can trigger an insulin spike. A higher insulin level increases muscle perfusion, which means better blood flow, which ultimately ensures superior nutrient delivery.
For a recreational lifter, using glucose with whey is more beneficial than harmful.
You don't need to be some child prodigy to grasp that logic.

To quote a colleague from another forum:

"Once insulin binds to its receptors, GLUT-4 moves from the interior of the cell to the surface of the cell membrane ('tunneling' through the membrane). Once it binds with a glucose molecule, it changes shape, allowing for glucose diffusion.

Based on that data, you cannot conclude that glucose is unnecessary in PWM, nor can you claim that protein alone is an adequate substitute.

There is a high probability that if you consume protein without high-GI carbs, the liver will convert it into glucose via gluconeogenesis, at which point it's transported just like any other glucose molecule."

I’m currently on a ketogenic diet, so for me right now, neither whey nor glucose is even on the table.
But when I cycle back to high carbs, this is how I handle it...
In reality, PRE-WM and DURWM are essentially the same thing to me since I sip them slowly. Then, at the very end of my workout, I take my PWM.
There are far too many people here who lack even the most fundamental knowledge. I don't want to offend anyone, but it would be great if you all could help each other out with quality advice—something practical, yet educational.
Most of this information is readily available online; it’s mostly just copy-paste. You might as well Google it and copy-paste then, because you'll actually learn something that way.
It’s like being in high school or college and trying to cheat on a test. When you finally sit for the exam, you realize you didn't even need to cheat because you accidentally learned the material while scribbling it down on that damn little scrap of paper.
Live healthy and train as hard as you can.
Cheers 🙂

Now, give it to me straight: how many times a week do you train, and how long does a single session actually last?

I have a feeling Janjetina is either finishing up or has already wrapped up a second degree alongside his studies at MIT... I think it was medicine, if I recall correctly...
If that same philosopher showed up here, he’d probably fold you into his pocket within minutes just by using all that intellect and eloquence of his...
Besides that, are you really going to sit there and tell someone they're talking nonsense? You're just clinging blindly to one single damn sentence about how glucose has high osmolarity... honestly...
Reading through your replies, I’ve come to realize you haven't actually grasped the point of my post at all; instead, you're just coming at me like some idiot who's standing there buzzing around and waving his arms aimlessly in the middle of a swarm of bees...
Furthermore, you seem to stick to the exact same script, and in every single one of your posts where glucose comes up, you relentlessly try to force your own opinion on everyone else... It’s a pretty exclusionary way to act, especially coming from someone who clearly hasn't grasped the complexities of the subject we're actually discussing...
I made it pretty clear right at the start of my post that I wasn’t going to weigh in on specific glucose intake amounts, since that kind of thing really shifts depending on the individual and just how hard they're pushing themselves during a workout...
The way you talk to people... I can't quite tell if you’re just incredibly insecure or if you're just being impossibly stubborn, but either way, that kind of attitude isn't going to get you very far, especially in this industry, and I can see you actually have some interest in moving forward—not necessarily professionally, mind you—based on some of your more mindless posts, if you'll excuse the bluntness...

Here’s one more bit of wisdom from Mr. Janjetina to wrap things up... I mean, trying to downplay what he brings to the table is honestly like turning your back on Lastan... 😂 )

To start things off, you have to look at maltodextrin as a glucose polymer, basically just a chain of three to twenty glucose molecules held together by these incredibly weak electrostatic bonds—what we call hydrogen bonds... As soon as it hits your saliva, the enzyme ptyalin starts breaking those bonds down, turning that single maltodextrin molecule into several smaller glucose polymers. Your stomach doesn't actually do much of the heavy lifting when it comes to digesting maltodextrin; instead, those polymers just pass through to the small intestine. Once there, pancreatic amylase steps in to break them down even further into dimers, which are then finally split into individual glucose molecules by the enzyme maltase, allowing them to be absorbed directly into your bloodstream... Since the number of glucose units is relatively low and those molecular bonds are so fragile, the whole digestion process happens remarkably fast...
We also need to account for the fact that how fast your stomach empties into the small intestine depends heavily on the osmolarity of whatever you've just swallowed... and since osmolarity is really just a matter of how many molecules are floating around in that solution, it follows that your stomach is going to clear out maltodextrin much faster than it would glucose. When you factor all of that in, the actual gap between consuming maltodextrin and it hitting your bloodstream is only slightly longer than the window for dextrose absorption...
Consuming maltodextrin is pretty much like taking straight glucose; it sends your blood sugar levels skyrocketing almost instantly because its glycemic index is just as high...
http://www.strollerfit.com/index.cfm...F0A45D08E1B199
I was browsing through some health data online earlier today, specifically looking at some research regarding gastrointestinal wellness, and it really got me thinking about how much we overlook our gut health until something actually goes wrong... It’s one of those things where you assume everything is fine because you aren't in acute pain, but then you realize that the subtle stuff—like bloating or just feeling "off" after meals—is actually your body trying to tell you something important... It makes me wonder if we spend too much time chasing expensive, flashy supplements when the real answer might be more foundational, like fixing our fiber intake or managing stress levels properly... We see all these miracle cures advertised on social media, but reading through the actual science, it seems like most of it boils down to maintaining that delicate balance in our microbiome, which isn't exactly easy when you're living on fast food and coffee in the middle of a busy work week... I suppose it's worth looking deeper into how diet affects inflammation, though it feels like a bit of a rabbit hole once you start digging...
I’ve been thinking about this whole debate regarding supplements lately, especially seeing how much noise there is online about what actually works versus what’s just expensive colored water... It seems like everyone has a different opinion on whether you really need to load up on powders and pills to see results, but if you look at the actual science, things get a bit more complicated than the flashy marketing suggests. Take the conversation around protein and amino acids, for instance. There's this constant push to convince people that they need every single supplement under the sun just to maintain muscle mass, yet when you break down the data, most of us are probably getting more than enough through a standard high-protein diet centered around things like chicken, eggs, or even a shake from the Vitamin Shoppe if we're in a rush... It’s almost funny how much money gets spent on products that essentially provide what you could easily get from a steak dinner in Chicago or a bowl of Greek yogurt. Then you have the crowd that swears by pre-workouts and various stimulants to get through a session. While I get the appeal of that extra kick, especially when you're hitting the gym after a long day at the office in New York, relying on them can feel a bit like cheating the body's natural rhythm... You start wondering if the strength is coming from the supplement or if you're just riding a temporary wave of caffeine and beta-alanine that eventually leaves you crashing harder than a stock market dip. The reality is that while certain things—like creatine or whey—have pretty solid backing, a lot of the "miracle" stuff being peddled is just clever branding designed to separate hard-working people from their paychecks... It's less about finding the magic pill and more about the boring, consistent stuff like sleep, progressive overload, and just eating enough calories to fuel the work. If you can master those basics, half of these supplement companies would probably go out of business overnight...
The whole concept of glycemic index usually gets thrown around like some kind of magic bullet in fitness circles, but when you actually sit down to look at how blood sugar spikes and dips affect your body, it becomes a bit more nuanced than just "good carbs" versus "bad carbs"... It’s really about managing that steady stream of energy rather than riding a rollercoaster of insulin surges and subsequent crashes. If you're trying to stay lean or maintain consistent energy levels throughout the day, understanding how different foods impact your glucose levels is probably one of the most practical tools you can have in your kit... It isn't just about cutting things out, but more about learning how to layer your nutrition so you aren't constantly fighting against your own biology just to stay focused...

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Give my best to that "nutritionist" you’re so head over heels for—or whatever she is to you... the one who wouldn't know a dumbbell if it hit her, let alone actually lived a lifestyle centered around fitness...
At its core, this is really an individual pursuit, especially when you consider how differently everyone's body reacts to things like nutrition, training intensity, and recovery... if you want to put it simply...
I tried stepping back into the conversation one more time, but like I said before, there’s just no winning an argument with you...
It’s like what they say to those stubborn religious zealots... you just can't win with people like that...
I really hope you’ll try to open your eyes just a little bit...
Honestly, I really mean this—do whatever works best for you... at the end of the day, this is one of those sports where you can truly get to know your own body, if you actually care to look...
Hey there!

dustyhawk32 said:I'm convinced Janjetina is either finishing his second degree alongside his engineering studies (probably med school, if I had to guess).
If that same philosopher showed up here, he’d tuck you into his pocket with nothing but pure intellect and eloquence.
Besides, you have the nerve to tell someone they're talking nonsense? You're blindly clinging to one single, damn sentence about glucose having high osmolarity?!?!?!?!
Reading through your rambling, it's clear you haven't grasped the point of my post at all; instead, you're attacking me like some idiot buzzing and waving his arms in the middle of a beehive.
Furthermore, you stick to the exact same script; every single time glucose is mentioned in your posts, you try to force your opinion down our throats. You are incredibly exclusionary for a kid who clearly doesn't understand the subject matter we're discussing.
I specifically noted at the start of my post that I wouldn't comment on specific glucose dosages because they vary from person to person and depend entirely on training intensity.
The way you address others suggests you are either extremely insecure or incredibly stubborn. You aren't going to get far with that attitude—especially not in this sport—and I can see you actually have an interest in making progress (not necessarily professionally) based on your mindless posts (no offense intended).

Here is a little something extra from Mr. Janjetina to wrap things up (and please, stop belittling Janjetina... that's like saying you "threw your hands up" at Lastan 😂 ).

"To begin, maltodextrin is a glucose polymer consisting of 3-20 glucose molecules held together by very weak electrostatic bonds, known as hydrogen bonds (O-H). Even in saliva, the enzyme ptyalin breaks these hydrogen bonds, turning the maltodextrin molecule into several smaller glucose polymers. The stomach plays no role in digesting maltodextrin. These glucose polymers move from the stomach to the small intestine, where, under the influence of amylase from the pancreas, they are broken down into even smaller molecules—mostly dimers—which are then further broken down into glucose molecules by the enzyme maltase, allowing them to be absorbed directly into the bloodstream. Since the bonds between glucose molecules in maltodextrin are very weak and their number is low (2-19), the digestion of maltodextrin is extremely rapid.
One must also consider the fact that the rate of gastric emptying into the small intestine depends on the osmolarity of the solution in the stomach. Osmolarity depends on the number of molecules, which means the stomach will empty faster when consuming maltodextrin than when consuming glucose. When all is said and done, the time elapsed between consumption and absorption of maltodextrin is only negligibly longer than the time for dextrose.
Consuming maltodextrin, much like glucose, causes a sharp spike in blood glucose levels; in other words, maltodextrin has a very high glycemic index, comparable to glucose:http://www.strollerfit.com/index.cfm...F0A45D08E1B199
http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au/gi17.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/issa5.htm
http://www.bodyforlife2.com/glycemic.htm

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Give my regards to that "nutritionist" you're so enamored with—or maybe she's your girlfriend... whatever. She's clearly never lifted a weight in her life, let alone lived this lifestyle.
First and foremost, this is an individual sport. By that, I mean how your specific body reacts to nutrition, training, and recovery. It’s all highly subjective.
I tried jumping back into this debate, but like I said, you're impossible to reason with.
It’s like what they say to religious fanatics: "You can't win with these people."
I hope you eventually open your eyes to the reality here.
Regardless, I wish you the best. Do whatever works for you. At its core, this is a sport where you actually have the opportunity to understand your own physiology if you choose to.
Later.

Now, why don't you explain exactly what you mean by that?
Who here is talking about the GI of maltodextrin? Who is discussing whether or not carbohydrates should be included in a post-workout meal? Point to the exact sentence where I insulted you.
I have to wonder who is actually insulting whom with a post like this. Honestly, I'd love to meet you in person. If you're interested, we can grab a coffee and see if you have half the courage to confront me face-to-face that you do when hiding behind a screen. Let's see if you can actually answer technical questions regarding training, nutrition, and sports science.
I’m not some kid; I’m 34 years old with years of experience in athletics.
Janjetina is a smart guy—I stated that—but he tends to overthink things. Tell me, why are you belittling someone just because they hold an engineering degree? Is it simply because they didn't write exactly what you wanted them to say? I don't even know this person; I stumbled upon that article online yesterday by pure chance.
My point is that slamming massive amounts of nothing but glucose into a post-workout meal is a mistake, which is what a lot of kids do, and I provided the reasoning. I am also saying that for recreational lifters, hitting protein via whey and BCAA is hardly a necessity since they aren't training twice a day, six days a week.
Everyone knows maltodextrin has a high GI, but its gastric emptying rate is faster than glucose—that is a scientifically proven fact. I'm not going to waste time debating exactly *how much* faster it is, because there's no point; however, if you have data showing the specific difference, I invite you to post it here.
You dodged my question. How many times a week do you train, and what is your typical session duration?

I hate to be a broken record, but have you actually sat down and read those studies regarding GI foods yet?
I’m dropping that link here again. Please, take some time to study it, because it’s clear you haven't grasped the core of this debate.

Do me a favor and give me your actual thoughts on it.

Good grief, guys. You’ve taken this thread down to a molecular level.🤣

I don't understand any of this, and frankly, neither does the other 95% of the people on this forum.

I’d bet that even you guys occasionally lose track of what you're actually saying if you bothered to read back through your own posts more closely.😉

All I know is that after a workout, I shake up some whey—one scoop in about a cup of water. Sometimes I toss in a little dextrose, but never more than the whey itself because it's already sweet enough for me. About thirty to sixty minutes later, I eat a massive meal and call it a day.

I don't spend my time overthinking what's happening in my stomach, my pancreas, or my small intestine, nor do I worry about the chemical bonds between amino acid atoms.

...because quite simply, I'm not prepping for Mr. Olympia, so it doesn't matter. 👍

stimulator M2000

I am wondering if anyone here actually has hands-on experience with this specific product? I would appreciate it if someone could provide a more detailed description of what it does, and naturally, whether there are any notable side effects involved.

granitegardener14 said:Good grief, guys. You’ve taken this discussion down to a molecular level.🤣

I don't get it, and frankly, neither does the other 95% of this forum.

I’d bet anything that half of you don't even grasp what you're typing if you actually took a moment to read back through your own posts.😉

My routine is simple: post-workout, I knock back a scoop of whey mixed with about a cup of water. Occasionally, I’ll toss in a little brown sugar, but I never go overboard with the sweetener—it gets cloying if you overdo it. About thirty to sixty minutes later, I eat a massive meal to fuel up, and that’s the end of it.

I don't waste much time obsessing over what’s happening inside the stomach, the pancreas, or the small intestine. I'm not losing sleep over amino acid bonds or any of that molecular chemistry.

Look, it’s simple: I’m not prepping for Mr. Olympia, so I couldn't care less. 👍

Look, if you aren't a professional athlete, there's really no reason to lose sleep over this kind of stuff. If it doesn't interest you, don't bother stressing about it.
Here’s the bottom line: if you actually have the budget to afford high-quality, diverse whole foods, there is absolutely no reason for a recreational lifter to be messing around with whey protein spiked with carbohydrates. You aren't going to feel the difference, and you certainly won't see any results that justify the waste.
I know exactly what I’m talking about, but most people just misinterpret my points. I can be a bit tedious at times, sure, but that’s usually enough to give those "brave" keyboard warriors an excuse to start throwing insults.

dustyhawk32 said:I honestly think Janjetina is either finishing or has already finished a second degree alongside his engineering studies (medical school, I assume).
If that same philosopher showed up here, he’d tuck you into a tiny pocket with nothing but his sheer intellect and eloquence.
Besides, you're really going to lecture someone about writing nonsense? You're clinging blindly to one single damn sentence about glucose having high osmolarity?!?!?!?!
Reading your ramblings, it's clear you haven't grasped the point of my post at all; instead, you're attacking me like some idiot buzzing around and waving his arms in the middle of a swarm of bees.
Furthermore, you stick to the exact same thing every single time. In every post where glucose is mentioned, you persistently try to force your opinion on us. You're being incredibly exclusionary for a kid who clearly has zero clue about the subject we're discussing.
I specifically noted at the start of my post that I wouldn't comment on glucose dosage because it varies from person to person and depends on training intensity.
The way you address others suggests you are either incredibly insecure or pathologically stubborn. You won't get very far with that attitude, especially in this sport—and I see you have some sort of interest in making progress (not necessarily professionally) based on your mindless posts (no offense intended).

Here is a little something extra from Mr. Janjetina to wrap things up (trying to downplay him... that's like saying you "raised your hand" against Lastan 😂 )

"To begin with, maltodextrin is a glucose polymer consisting of 3-20 glucose molecules held together by very weak electrostatic bonds, known as hydrogen bonds (O-H). Even in the mouth, the enzyme ptyalin breaks these hydrogen bonds, transforming the maltodextrin molecule into several smaller glucose polymers. The stomach plays no role in digesting maltodextrin. These glucose polymers pass from the stomach to the small intestine, where they are broken down under the influence of amylase from the pancreas into even smaller molecules—mostly dimers—which are then broken down into glucose molecules by the enzyme maltase, allowing them to be absorbed directly into the bloodstream. Since the bonds between glucose molecules in maltodextrin are extremely weak and their number is low (2-19), the digestion of maltodextrin is very rapid.
One must also consider that the rate of gastric emptying into the small intestine depends on the osmolarity of the solution in the stomach. Osmolarity depends on the number of molecules, which implies that the stomach will empty faster when consuming maltodextrin than when consuming glucose. When all is said and done, the time elapsed between consumption and absorption of maltodextrin is only negligibly longer than the time for dextrose.
Consuming maltodextrin, much like glucose, causes a sharp spike in blood glucose levels; in other words, maltodextrin has a very high glycemic index, comparable to glucose:
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Give my regards to that "nutritionist" you're so enamored with—or maybe she's your girlfriend... whatever—the woman who has clearly never lifted a weight in her life, let alone lived this lifestyle.
At its core, this is an individual pursuit. I’m talking about how your specific body responds to nutrition, training intensity, and recovery. It's all highly personal.
I tried engaging in this debate one more time, but like I said before, there’s just no reasoning with you.
It’s like trying to argue logic with religious zealots—you simply can't win with that crowd.
I hope you’ll finally decide to open your eyes.
Look, honestly, do whatever works for you. At the end of the day, this is a sport where you have the opportunity to truly understand how your own body functions—if you actually care enough to try.
Hey there!

Chemical bonding joins glucose and fructose to create sucrose, whereas starch, cellulose, and glycogen serve as various glucose polymers—better known as polysaccharides.

Look, since you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, let me set the record straight: glucose polymers and glucose are not the same thing.☕
Finally, tell me where this text about maltodextrin actually came from. Where are the references for these claims, and more importantly, when was this even published?

slydriver52 said:When you chemically bond glucose and fructose, you get sucrose, whereas things like starch, cellulose, and glycogen are all just glucose polymers (polysaccharides).

Look, since it's pretty obvious you don't know what you're talking about, let me clear this up: glucose polymers and glucose itself aren't the same thing.☕
And while you're at it, maybe drop a link to where you actually found that text about maltodextrin? I'd love to see the actual references and find out when that was even published...

Technically it ends up being the same deal—whether it's a single link in a chain or a chain three miles long, it's made of the same molecule... the only difference is the shape and how fast it breaks down...

All these petty arguments are pointless, you guys are totally missing the big picture... maybe if your kids (if you ever have any) end up studying chemistry or biology one day, you could hand them a textbook and tell them to actually read it... 🙂

Emily Moore47 said:It all amounts to the same thing. Whether you're looking at a single link of a chain or a three-mile long heavy-duty assembly, they’re both forged from the exact same molecule. The only real difference is how that structure is shaped and how long it takes to break down.

These petty arguments of yours are completely pointless. You can't see the forest for the trees. It would be a real improvement if your mentors—assuming you even have any—actually taught you a thing or two about chemistry and biology. Do yourselves a favor: pick up a textbook and try actually reading it for once. 🙂

The digestion rates vary significantly. I’m not claiming that sticking solely to maltodextrin is the superior play; rather, blending multiple carbohydrate sources is clearly the smarter move.
Let’s be real: for your average weekend warrior, there is absolutely zero practical difference between recovering with a standard whey and glucose shake versus just eating a solid, whole-food meal.
Look, please just read the entire thread from the top so you can finally grasp my point: casual lifters don't need a classic post-workout meal consisting of nothing but whey and glucose. That said, the fact remains that relying solely on glucose—especially in high quantities—is a subpar strategy for a post-workout window.
Try loading up on 100g of glucose one time and 100g of maltodextrin the next. You’ll feel the difference immediately.
If you go with glucose, you’re almost certainly going to deal with bloating issues—maltodextrin just doesn't trigger that reaction. At least, that was my experience.
Take the bodybuilding fanatics, for example. When Ronnie Coleman hits his post-workout window, he’s mixing Syntha-6 protein with a few spoonfuls of Nesquik just to round it out.
I have to wonder: why wouldn't he just stick to pure whey paired with straight glucose?😕

Emily Moore47 said:The end result is identical. It’s like comparing a single link of a chain to a three-mile-long chain; they are both made of the exact same molecule. The only difference lies in the molecular structure and how quickly they break down...

These petty arguments are pointless; you're missing the forest for the trees. It would be great if your kids (assuming you have any) actually learned some chemistry and biology one day. If they did, you could just hand them a textbook and let them flip through the pages... 🙂

Besides, don't all carbohydrates eventually convert into glucose within the body?

Since the bonds between glucose molecules in maltodextrin are extremely weak and the chain length is relatively short (between 2 and 19 units), the digestion of maltodextrin is incredibly rapid.

Glucose hits your bloodstream first, so people usually just grab some sugar and water when they're pushing through a heavy session for that quick boost... Same goes for fructose, but let's be real, everyone just has plain glucose sitting in their pantry...
Nobody's gonna munch on chocolate or candy during a workout, so glucose is really just for those specific situations we talked about...

And honestly, for Ronnie, it doesn't matter what he drinks—not once he starts injecting... 😁