Best protein powders for muscle gain?

Emily Moore47 said:Glucose hits your bloodstream first and is mostly used to get that quick temporary boost, which is why people usually grab sugar and water when they're overexerting themselves... the same logic applies to fructose, but since everyone has plain glucose sitting in their pantry, that's what gets used...
Nobody is going to munch on chocolate or candy during a PWM session, so glucose is strictly for the scenario I just described...

And for Ronnie Coleman, it doesn't matter what he drinks—as long as he's injecting... 😁

Stop comparing fructose to glucose. Consuming polysaccharides versus monosaccharides isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, and science has already proven that maltodextrin enters the bloodstream faster than glucose (dextrose) without wrecking your stomach.
As for fructose, it’s been established for a long time that it isn't ideal for PWM because it puts too much strain on the system and breaks down slower (I don't feel like getting into the weeds here).

Sure, small amounts of glucose are fine during PWM, but it’s really only a necessity for elite athletes.
Period.

Best,

seriously, what is wrong with you people??? you just sit there behind your screens reading random stuff online and then try to lecture me about "science" when you don't even know who wrote it or have any actual experience??? use some logic, man... how can something complex be absorbed before something simple? is it easier/faster to shred a piece of paper and then toss it, or just toss it after it's already shredded??? and regarding fructose, please tell me you haven't seen what most athletes eat during long cardio sessions, if they even bother eating at all (like tennis players)... simple sugars need to be there to give you that quick energy hit while keeping you from feeling empty... it's that simple... I don't get how you managed to misinterpret my last post, and why on earth are we debating carbs in a thread about Protein?

Emily Moore47 said:What is wrong with you people? You sit there behind a computer screen reading internet articles and then have the nerve to claim something is "scientifically proven" without even knowing who wrote it or having any actual experience. Use some damn logic. How can a complex substance be absorbed before a simple one? Is it easier or faster to shred a piece of paper and then throw it away, or just toss it already shredded? And regarding fructose—tell me you haven't seen what athletes typically consume during long aerobic training sessions, if they eat anything at all (like tennis players). Simple sugars are meant to be there to provide quick energy while keeping you from feeling prematurely full. That’s the gist of it. I don't understand how you managed to misinterpret my last post, and why on earth are we debating glycemic index in a thread about Protein?

Fine, here is how I'm going to explain why you're dead wrong.
I'm going to go off again, deal with it.
Tennis players don't eat bananas for the carbs; they do it primarily for the potassium and hydration.
I'm on vacation right now, so I actually have the time today.
Do you really think I'd be posting this frequently otherwise?
Don't take it personally, but I have zero intention of arguing with anyone else.

If you want to understand fructose, just look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose

Seriously though, please

-Stipe

granitegardener14 said:Holy cow, guys! You seriously took this whole discussion down to a molecular level! I mean, wow!🤣

Honestly? Not really needed.

Honestly, whether you decide to go with maltodextrin or glucose, I guess the end result is going to be practically identical anyway!
I mean, honestly, all these posts here... they're really just trying to dig into the *why* behind everything. It’s not even about whether it’s true or not—everyone already knows that part—it's more about analyzing the reasons why things turned out this way, I guess!

Glucose issues aren't some big, unsolvable mystery, you know? I mean, if someone actually deals with that—which, let's be honest, is super rare—they’re going to notice it pretty much instantly. It's hard to miss! And if they do catch on to what's happening, then they just... change things up. Simple as that, I guess!
I mean, if everything is running smoothly and there aren't any issues popping up, I guess there’s really no reason to go changing things around, right? Maybe it's better to just leave well enough alone!

I bet sometimes even you guys don't actually realize what you've written, you know? I mean, if you actually took a second to sit down and read through your own posts a little more closely... maybe then it would make sense!😉

I mean, there’s really nothing groundbreaking here, honestly. It’s just... I guess it's mostly just explaining stuff that everyone already considers total standard procedure. Nothing revolutionary at all!

Stipe

slydriver52 said:There it is. How am I even supposed to explain how you're wrong?
Gonna go ahead and flip the script again...
Pro tennis players don't eat bananas for the carbs; it's mainly about the potassium and staying hydrated...
I'm on vacation, so I actually have some free time today...
You think I’d be posting this much if I wasn't?
Don't take it personally, but I'm done arguing with anyone else...

Wait, so you're telling me what two chemistry professors told me—and yeah, I asked them in real life, either during class or on their own time—means absolutely nothing? Bananas for hydration? Interesting... first time I've heard that. It's true that fructose absorbs slower than other monosaccharide types, but it's still a simple sugar and works fine for quick energy... just watch out for those blood sugar spikes... my old high school chem teacher used to say we eat bananas mostly to feel full without feeling heavy... some athletes even grab a few squares of chocolate during training, not after, just purely for the fuel...

I only jumped into this because the whole "my dad is stronger than your dad" vibe was getting annoying, except here it was "my scientist is smarter than your scientist"... Like briskjackal5 said, if you consider the basics enough to get where you want to be with your body, then fine. But if you aren't planning on becoming a chemist, none of this matters to you (or me)...🙂

Later!

Emily Moore47 said:Are you seriously suggesting that the insights from two chemistry professors—whom I actually consult in real life, whether during lab hours or on my own time—are worthless? And a banana for hydration? That’s a new one. Let’s be clear: while fructose is absorbed more slowly than other monosaccharides, it is still a simple sugar and remains highly effective for quick energy, provided you don't trigger a massive insulin spike. As for the banana, based on what my former high school chemistry teacher used to say, you eat it because it provides temporary satiety without wrecking your stomach. Some athletes even snack on a few pieces of chocolate during training (not after) purely for the fuel.

I jumped into this argument because the petty bickering annoyed me. It felt like a playground fight where kids yell, "My dad is stronger than your dad," except here it was, "My scientist is smarter than your scientist." Like briskjackal5 said: if standard protocols meet your goals for your body, then fine. But if you have no intention of studying biochemistry, none of this technicality matters to you (or to me).🙂

Regards!

Relying solely on fructose as an energy source during a workout is a poor strategy. I can't name a single athlete who uses nothing but fructose to power through intense physical exertion like a marathon, cycling race, triathlon, or tennis match.
I won't waste time debating the specifics here, assuming most of you already understand the vital role potassium and other minerals play during heavy physical strain.
Kudos to your professors, but if they believe fructose should be the primary tool during training or competition, they are wrong. Any nutritionist, strength coach, or professional working with elite athletes will tell you the same thing.
Besides, none of this really matters for a casual gym-goer anyway...................................

Where might one go to purchase the aforementioned whey, and what sort of price range should I expect to encounter?

Emily Moore47 said:Glucose hits your bloodstream first and mostly serves to provide a temporary boost in how you feel, which is why people typically grab sugar and water during intense training sessions... the same logic applies to fructose, but since everyone has pure glucose sitting in their pantry, that's what gets used...
Nobody is going to munch on chocolate or candy during a workout, so glucose is strictly useful for the scenario I just described...

As for Ronnie, it doesn't matter what he drinks—once he starts injecting, the liquid diet becomes irrelevant...... 😁

Especially when you're on a cycle, your nutrition isn't some trivial detail. You have to be surgical about what you eat and exactly how much.
I know what I'm talking about because I've lived it. This is an entire world of its own, and it's far too heavy for a casual forum like this........................😉

How much glucose can you actually consume daily without wrecking your system? I'm wondering if you can seriously mess up your blood sugar levels if you go overboard with it. 🤷

slydriver52 said:When you're on a cycle, your diet is everything. You really have to watch what you eat and how much goes in...
I know what I'm talking about from experience. It's a whole different world and way too deep for this forum... 😉

If you want to get huge, it doesn't matter which supplements you stack while on steroids... your diet always has to be dialed in, regardless of the cycle... sure, more stuff might boost the results, but food does 80% of the heavy lifting for mass... but you're right, it's its own beast... 🙂