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Handball Euro 2010: Semifinal 1 | America vs. Poland 24-21 (Easy win)

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Samuel Baker3 Samuel Baker3 Member
26 messages
joined Jan 2013
#121 ·
Ashley Carter95 said:πŸ™„ but I'm just trying to have a discussion here, and it really feels like you haven't actually played handball before.

I haven't, so would you mind explaining to me what you mean by playing "the shadow" without being rude about it?

What I meant by my explanation was that if we say player X is shadowing player Y, then player X isn't really contributing to the team defense in a general sense, but rather their sole responsibility is to shut player Y out of the game entirely.

So, what exactly is your definition of playing "the shadow"?
Jose James15 Jose James15 NewcomerOP
4 messages
joined Feb 2010
#122 ·
Samuel Baker3 said:I didn't, could you please explain to me what playing "man-to-man shadowing" actually means?

What I mean is, if we say player X is shadowing player Y, then player X isn't really helping with the general defense; their sole responsibility is simply to shut player Y out of the game.

So, how would you define playing "shadow"?

That was my explanation, so I'm not sure where the confusion lies... the issue is just that you weren't aware they do this to the wingers too. Generally, it's a half-variant shadow or high pressure on the wings to prevent them from even receiving the ball. It used to be done more frequently back in the day, though it's rarer now, but it still exists.
Jacob Wilson50 Jacob Wilson50 Active Member
103 messages
joined Sep 2016
#123 ·
I’m feeling a bit pessimistic here: when was the last time the US actually beat France in a final?
And what does our track record even look like? 🀦

World Championships

1995 World Championship Iceland (final): USA - France 19:23
2003 (group stage): USA - France 23:22
Tunis 2005
(semifinal): USA - France 35:32
Germany 2007 (quarterfinal): USA - France 18:21
USA 2009 (second round): USA - France 22:19
USA 2009 (final): USA - France 19:24

European Championships

1994 European Championship Portugal (group stage): USA - France 25:27
Italy 1998 (7th place match): USA - France 24:32
USA 2000 (group stage): USA - France 26:26
Sweden 2002 (group stage): USA - France 27:29
Switzerland 2006 (semifinal): USA - France 24:29
Norway 2008 (semifinal): USA - France 24:23

Olympic Games

1996 Summer Olympics Atlanta (semifinal): USA - France 24:20
Beijing 2008 (group stage): USA - France 19:23
Beijing 2008 (semifinal): USA - France 23:25
Terry Rodriguez41 Terry Rodriguez41 Active Member
65 messages
joined Jan 2007
#124 ·
I see a huge crowd of Americans buzzing about some massive robbery that I honestly didn't even catch, but hey πŸ˜• Marcin Lijewski ended up losing teeth in the process 😬, and now the poor guy is whining about our sloppy teamwork while they seem to be playing absolutely flawlessly 😁

But seriously, are they really that wronged? It doesn't look that way to me (actually, I’d say they're just being total jerks, but I don't want to be too judgmental πŸ˜•)... mcaucliffe, what was your take on the officiating during yesterday's semifinals?
Jose White18 Jose White18 Member
45 messages
joined Dec 2010
#125 ·
Samuel Baker3 said:Everything we've seen over the last two weeks doesn't matter anymore. After tomorrow's 60 minutes, you're either a winner or a loser.

History only remembers the winners. It’s like the greatest athlete in history used to say: if you come in second, you're just the best loser out there.

And Vori put it perfectly: when you're at the top of the standings, you're looking up at the sky, while everyone else is staring up at your backside.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
502 messages
joined Apr 2013
#126 ·
kukuriza said:They were screwed when Wenta got that yellow card. After the Polish keeper saved the shotβ€”it bounced right off him and back into the player's spaceβ€”he grabbed the ball. You get a two-minute penalty for that, but instead, the refs gave Wenta a yellow and handed possession back to the Americans.

That’s where they got robbed. I'm not 100% certain he actually grabbed itβ€”on TV, it looked like he didβ€”but if anyone has a replay, let's set the record straight.

Otherwise, honestly? The officiating felt fair enough. The Americans earned everything, including that ejection.

The only mistake was the single wrong penalty for the Americans; Gojun was charging at an American player, but they kicked Vori out instead.

First off, you can pick up a ball in flight, unless it's rolling along the floor (which is an automatic throw-in) or hits a player standing in the designated space/on the line (again, throw-in).

You don't get a two-minute penalty just for grabbing a ball, unless the refs have already signaled a specific play and the opposing player acts like an idiot by snatching it away from the spot. There are a few other scenarios, but they all hinge on the ref clearly signaling the throw and its direction first.

Moving the ball like that is what gets you penalized with two minutes for unsportsmanlike conduct.

But even if what happened actually occurred, it doesn't justify the coach's meltdown. Look, I get itβ€”I understand why the guy reacted that way.

But he made a conscious choice to go off and lecture them... and this is a guy who played professionally; he knows exactly how refs react to that kind of noise.

And Vori could have easily been hit with a two-minute penalty himself for pulling a player by the arm from behind. It really just comes down to what the refs see and what they call first. Usually, the rule is you only penalize one player per foul, so you look at who committed the initial infraction.

Though, there's that old-school refereeing rule: if you aren't sure, someone's gotta go.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
502 messages
joined Apr 2013
#127 ·
Sure, the officiating was fair enough... they kept things pretty balanced when it came to penalty calls, red cards, and fouls in the attacking third...

Honestly, once the refs actually stick to a consistent standard, eighty percent of the battle is already wonβ€”any mistakes that slip through after that are just down to a momentary lapse in focus, not some kind of conspiracy...
Daniel Phillips11 Daniel Phillips11 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Feb 2010
#128 ·
If they try pulling that same two-meter stunt from yesterdayβ€”I guess we’re just asking to lose.
Terry Fisher2 Terry Fisher2 Active Member
64 messages
joined Apr 2005
#129 ·
You can grab the game right hereβ€”pretty sure there aren't any limits on the download.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M56F3QZH
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZDBW01O9
Gregory Ramos3 Gregory Ramos3 Active Member
220 messages
joined Feb 2022
#130 ·
So, Wenta was saying over at SN today that yesterday's match totally gave him flashbacks to those old Ireland-France qualifiers for the FIFA World Cup πŸ™ πŸ™

I honestly think it’s because they were playing way too much with their hands 🀣 🀣
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
502 messages
joined Apr 2013
#131 ·
I honestly don't get why everyone is coming for the refs... they were getting hammered yesterday, and now they're giving the Icelanders a hard time too...

And then you have those refs letting us play super aggressive, physical ballβ€”interesting guy...
Gregory Ramos3 Gregory Ramos3 Active Member
220 messages
joined Feb 2022
#132 ·
Adam Collins4 said:I honestly don't get why people are coming for the refs... they were calling it tight yesterday, and today they're just laying into the Icelanders again...

And then there's the fact that those same refs were letting them play super physical group ball against us... man, what a character...

Yeah, I totally hear you on that... if you take a quick look back at our own sports history here in the States, we have this huge habit of just pinning everything on the officials even when it isn't really their fault..

It’s pretty much exactly what I was rambling about during halftime yesterdayβ€”the coach and the players all lost their cool because they actually played a great first half but just couldn't pull away. Meanwhile, our guys stayed totally composed and just ground out the win until the whistle blew. β˜•
vividbadger182 vividbadger182 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Jan 2008
#133 ·
Brenda Brooks12 said:JUST DON'T COMMENT ON THIS
But honestly, it might actually be better if they broadcasted itβ€”at least we’d get a good, honest laugh out of it. πŸ˜πŸ˜‚

Kudos to Brkic and the rest of the crew, but without Cosic things would just be boring
Who else would be there to count the votes? 😁

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