2009 Car Reveal

steelviper43 said:...and if they put some barcode-looking thing on there, we’d all know instantly it was just a Marlboro ad anyway.

After twenty-five years of seeing Marlboro branding all over those Ferraris, people just instinctively link Ferrari with Marlboro, regardless of what's actually printed on the car. So really, it’s about the marketing, mistybear87, not just the bottom line. 😉

On a different note, the car definitely looks more aesthetic than that hybrid monstrosity Sauber was running during testing.

Wasn't Marlboro sponsoring McLaren back in the nineties too?🤷
There is certainly an element of marketing at play here, but do you honestly believe Marlboro *has* to advertise directly? I’m telling you, a huge part of this comes down to tax incentives.

I'm a little lost here😕 so under these new rules, there's an 18,000 RPM limit, but what's the deal with KERS? Does that limit apply when KERS kicks in, or can the revs just fly past whenever it's active? I don't get it, because honestly, what's even the point of the system🤷 if you're already pinned at max RPM on a straightaway anyway. What do you actually gain from using KERS if you aren't allowed to cross 18,000🤷

stormybadger8 said:I'm a little confused here😕 regarding these new rules. If there's now an 18,000 RPM limit, what actually happens with the KERS? Does that restriction apply to the KERS usage as well, or does the limit effectively disappear once the system kicks in? I mean, if you can't exceed those RPMs anyway, what's the point of the whole setup? 🤷 It seems counterintuitive—if you're already hitting your ceiling on a straightaway, what exactly do you gain from using KERS if you aren't allowed to push past that 18,000 mark? 🤷

KERS shouldn't affect the engine's RPM limit (or at least, it shouldn't). The entire system is integrated into the transmission, so during those few seconds per lap when it's being deployed, it's just releasing energy through the gearbox. 😉

darkmarlin16 said:ironfalcon43, just keep quiet, this is an American forum

..."calling people names"... you certainly have a way with words, don't you?🤣🤣🤣

mistybear87 said:KERS doesn't affect the engine RPM (or at least it shouldn't). The whole system is linked to the gearbox, so during those few seconds per lap when they deploy it, the energy is released through the transmission 😉

It seems to me like stormybadger8 thinks KERS somehow boosts the RPM, given how he
mentions the illogical nature of the rev limit... excuse me if I've got that wrong.

With or without KERS, these engines can spin way past 18,000, so I don't really get why he's tying KERS to the rev limit 😕

Regardless of where that limit sits, you'll hit your target time faster
with KERS than without it 🙂

Drivers have pointed out that KERS provides its biggest advantage right when you're exiting a corner. Besides, the system isn't even tied directly to the engine...

Kevin Long20 said:But the drivers themselves pointed out that KERS provides its biggest advantage when exiting a corner. Besides, the system isn't tied directly to the engine...

Exactly. You get that boost in acceleration, just like I said before. ☕

It's linked to the drivetrain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjhW9...stagione-2009/

...and honestly, does it even matter? Axle, gearbox... who cares? What matters is that you feel it at the wheels. 😁

Hold on, I’ve got a question here. If we're talking about the gear ratio being tied to the drive, like where the power actually hits the wheels, then sure, fine—but if it's fixed before that point, wouldn't that just crank up the RPMs? 🤷 Look, I'm no mechanic, but I am curious: is there an actual limit on the gear ratio, or is it wide open? 😕

mistybear87 said:Wasn't it Marlboro back in the nineties on the McLaren cars?🤷
There's a marketing angle there, sure, but do you honestly believe they just have to advertise? I'm telling you, a huge chunk of that is driven by tax breaks.

Tax breaks for advertising? Please. That's about as logical as donating to starving kids in a third-world country.

Bradley Nelson2 said:Advertising a tax break? Please. It’s not like we're donating to starving kids in some third-world country who can't even afford a meal.

Every ad counts as a business expense, which makes it a tax write-off by default.☕

Plus, when one company gives another company total freaking love just to run an ad, there's always a tiny chance the CEO walks away with a little blue envelope under the table.😬

I’m staring at this new Ferrari and I honestly can't believe how pathetic they made the spoiler just because of those brainless aerodynamics rules 🤮 it doesn't even feel like racing anymore...

http://ferrari09-http.weebo.it/Ferra...dy_eng/vt.html

stormybadger8 said:Every single ad counts as a business expense—which basically makes it a tax write-off.☕

Plus, when one company gives another company a massive amount of cash just for exposure, there’s always that tiny chance a CEO might pocket a little "bonus" under the table. 😬

So, I did a little digging online because I was curious, and it turns out that in the US, companies can actually claim 30% of sports sponsorship costs as tax deductions. I'm not sure how it works in other countries, but it's probably a similar setup over there...

That said, I still think it's pretty foolish to hand over cash if your logo isn't going to show up on the car even ONCE. Back in 2007, you could at least see it during three races (China, Bahrain, and Monaco), but since then, they've banned tobacco advertising altogether. They even switched the car's color from Marlboro red back to the classic Ferrari red.

mistybear87, why on earth didn't you hand out a red card to ironfalcon43? Honestly, that whole speech was nothing but pure, unadulterated hate speech.

That first spoiler is just straight-up impossible to get through

darkmarlin16 said:that first spoiler is just completely unwatchable

And I suppose the second one is just absolutely stunning by comparison?

Man, what even is that

Tomorrow is Toyota, right?

Kevin Long20 said:It's Toyota tomorrow, isn't it?

I think I saw somewhere that it’s January 15th and the first race won't even have KERS.

Jose Anderson14 said:I think I saw somewhere they’re unveiling the TF109 on January 15th, and it won't even have Tesla tech in the first race.

Yeah... the TF109 launch is set for January 15th.☕