The Armada

There was a period when Red Sox Nation actually possessed a formidable and talented roster. It is truly unfortunate how today's version of the fans has managed to dismantle that legacy and completely tarnish the reputation they once held.

I guess I’m just too young for these kinds of photos 🙂

but when it comes to telling stories, I know my stuff

Not to sound arrogant, but you don't underestimate this fleet. Cleveland has always had—and will always have—a powerhouse squad in every sense of the word.
Regarding reputation, I completely disagree with you on trying to tear someone down like that. If you're going to make a claim, you should at least provide some actual arguments...🤷

Pešekan, I'm not even that old...🙂

Andrew White32, what are you even trying to say with this idea that this fleet is actually decent compared to how things were like ten years ago? I’m not gonna sit here and say there’s nothing good about having a younger crew running the show—look, there’s nothing wrong with a fresh group of guys—but for crying out loud, shouldn't there be some actual leadership, you know? Like, you need to know who's calling the shots and who's just following along! Correct me if I'm wrong, because I pretty much know my stuff, but seriously, just go take a look at the group and check out the photos from the away games; it's obvious as hell that your numbers have totally tanked compared to the old days.🤷

Quickly fixing my typos here because I refuse to look illiterate, you know how it is when you're typing at breakneck speed😍, anyway, is anyone from your crew heading out to Chicago anytime soon?

It’d be pretty sweet if everyone actually showed up to the arena—the fleet, the boys, the cohorts, all those supporter groups... basically a full-blown show program

The fleet hit up NYC, now it's everyone else's turn to roll into the Big Apple

Andrew White32 said:Not to sound arrogant, but you don't underestimate this fleet; Cleveland has always had—and will always have—a powerhouse roster in every sense of the word.
Look, I'm not about tearing down reputations just for the sake of it, so I really can't get behind what you're saying here. If you're going to make a claim like that, it wouldn't hurt to actually back it up with some real arguments...🤷

And Pešekan, I'm not even that old yet...🙂

🙂🙂Every guy thinks his own horse is the fastest.

stormyseal9 is a joke 😵 I’ll show you what real competition looks like 🤣 16-20 years? 🙂 Where is your common sense? 🙂 Just watching the photos...🤣

Had to make one more post so I wouldn't be left 😈 #666 🙂
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Andrew White32 said:Without being humble, you don't underestimate the fleet; Cleveland has always had—and will continue to have—a powerful crew in every sense of the word.
If we're talking about reputation, I can't say I agree with you at all regarding attempts to tear it down. If you’re going to make a claim like that, it wouldn't be the worst thing if you actually provided some arguments to back it up...🤷

Pešekan, I'm not even that old...🙂

Nobody is underestimating the fleet; people are simply attempting to remain objective. The turnout and energy at both home and away games—the atmosphere, the numbers, the chanting, even the look of the banners—is frankly abysmal. It doesn't even compare to the generation that ran the West Stand about ten years ago. Furthermore, there's the whole aspect of the fan subculture, specifically the clashes with other groups, where you guys seem to be consistently losing ground.

Merry Christmas 🙂🙂

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To the king, and to you and the rest of your crew too...👍

Christ is born for us all🙂

Andrew White32 said:To the king, and to you and all your buddies too...👍

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The logo changed, sure, but the diehards haven't moved an inch :P

Sean Wright5 said:Nobody is underestimating the fleet; we are just trying to be objective. The presence at home and away games—the atmosphere, the numbers, the chanting, even how the banners look—is terrible. It doesn't compare to the generation that ran the West side ten years ago. Plus, there's the whole subculture aspect, including the constant losses in clashes with other groups.

I am asking you why you think our reputation is ruined or whatever else you wrote. Is this your answer??
Your arguments aren't impressive. I don't see the connection between reputation and what a banner looks like 🤷 wtf..
Constant losses in clashes 🤷 What exactly do you mean by that? (I could write a full essay on this, but I really don't feel like it) Again, I disagree completely, but whatever. As long as you're typing, it doesn't matter if it makes sense or not, which seems to be the case for most people here.. 🤷 👍

p.s. Once again, I see some degenerates have made this their main hobby, so I won't be left out. Let's all be degenerates together, friends from the south and the north. Like that saying goes, Christ... just don't say too much..👍

placidnomad50 said:Christ is born for us all 🙂

Your mom was born...🤣 🙏

Man, people are really talking out of turn here!
The folks from Cleveland are being accused of just making up nationalism and patriotism because of "certain groups" mocking them online!
They finally realized in the 21st century that having a national team actually matters, and now everyone’s acting insane!
Look, I'm glad everyone is finally catching on to some things, but this has turned into a bad joke. We all know their fleet started falling apart when part of the crew began boycotting because of that guy Žilić—that's where the whole thing started crumbling! Plus, from what I hear, the locals were being pretty difficult, which basically handed the banners over to those guys on the other side on a silver platter!

Finally, a decent post. 🙏

I don't get why everyone is obsessing over the fleet's numbers. Some people are genuinely dense; they don't realize the fleet represents one city and its surrounding area, unlike those two much larger groups backed by branches from every single town, village, and backwater in the country.

As for the low turnout, I see several reasons, but I’d highlight two: the club's performance and the crackdown.

In my view, the club's results are way ahead of the support. No matter how much people love Cleveland, after all these years, there's just no motivation left to travel for away games. How can you stay hyped when, since the founding of this country, the club hasn't established any stability? It's a cycle: one year we're fighting for the top three or a cup final, then for the next three or four seasons, we're just struggling in the middle or scraping points at the bottom. It's the same old story every single year—"we're building the squad for next season," etc. People are FED UP with watching the same nonsense every year.

Throw some bad vibes into the mix and there you have it.

But I've already said what I think about the Mexican situation. The truth is, a segment of the local fans—the more liberal types—didn't agree with the fleet's stance. They branded the fleet as radicals in both the local media and among the public. Since then, in the stands, the crowd basically says "The fleet = radicals." 😍

After that, anyone with half a brain probably understood the goal (aside from just holding their ground against criticism). Where are all those "liberal" fans now, specifically when the team needs support on the road outside of Cleveland?
But again, like I said before, I don't know why there's so much drama surrounding this, either locally or elsewhere. People are entitled to their own opinions; we aren't mindless robots forced to think identically. We live in Cleveland, for heaven's sake... or rather, this little outpost. To wrap it up once more: before and after the incident with the Mexican, whoever the fleet was, that's who they remain. Period.

It’s funny how these "fans" always manage to blame everyone else for their own meltdowns instead of taking an ounce of responsibility. It was the same old story back in the day, and honestly, nothing has changed.

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Andrew White32 said:I’m asking you why you think their reputation is ruined or whatever else you claimed—is this your actual answer??
Your arguments aren't exactly breathtaking. I fail to see how reputation and status have anything to do with the state of a fence, which was one of your other points. 🤷 Honestly, what the hell...
The constant failure in confrontations 🤷 What specifically are you referring to? (I could provide a detailed dissertation on that right now, but I really don't feel like writing an essay.) Once again, I completely disagree, but it’s pathetic. At the end of the day, you just keep typing regardless of whether it makes sense or not, much like most people on this site.. 🤷 👍

It is obvious you aren't impressed by the logic because you are a fan of the Cleveland fleet, but those are the fundamental pillars used to evaluate any supporter subculture.
Regarding the era I am referencing: the fleet never lacked presence at "small" games with fewer than 500 people in the stands. Every single match featured solid flares, choreographies, and so on. Every single game! And today, what remains of that fleet that used to be the vanguard of the scene??? People, you don't even have a presence at those "small" games. The atmosphere is either terrible or nonexistent.
There was a time when traveling to Cleveland was a daunting task for any group, but now... they just wander through town, mocking it and treating it like some wasteland... and you??? For years, you haven't stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the supporters, and your showings in Miami are pitiful. The Cohort is out there running actions around town (Dead Man's Square), remember the old days. The Demons roam the streets, and the last three or four clashes effectively wiped you out...
The fleet's issue isn't about leadership, radicals, or police crackdowns. It is about internal division and a lack of cohesion within the group. The core issue lies with the older generation, who failed to mentor the younger fans. This total breakdown in communication and failure to engage with rising generations is the primary problem facing the fleet. Until that is understood, things won't look up for the neighborhood anytime soon.