Diet changes: Will they actually change my weight?

Sarah Gomez52 said:You don't just glance at vitamin similarities under a microscope or eyeball them to act superior—you look at their molecular structure and chemical formula, which happens to be EXACTLY identical whether they’re synthetic or isolated from nature.
Besides, what does "natural" versus "artificial" actually mean? If you isolate them and line them up side-by-side, not even God could tell the difference, let alone you.

Sure, talking about molecular structures and formulas is just a more technical way of saying the same thing, but the real issue lies elsewhere... specifically in how they actually function in the body, a distinction you seem to be missing. 😉

http://www.wolframkober.de/Interesse...htvitamine.htm

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Are natural vitamins better?
The key is primarily the balance of the blend and high bioavailability, which tends to be near zero when dealing with synthetic
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Are natural vitamins better?
The most important factors are a balanced mixture and high bioavailability. With synthetic (multi) vitamins, bioavailability leans toward zero.

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Nutrients are best absorbed when they are "built into" plant matter. Apparently, the physical state (colloidal) plays a major role. Additionally, the provitamins always present in plants have a positive effect on nutrient absorption.

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Nutrients are absorbed most effectively when they are "integrated" into plant parts. In this process, the physical state (colloidal) plays a significant role. Furthermore, the provitamins naturally found in plants have a beneficial impact on nutrient uptake.

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I have to say, certain people truly fascinate me—in the most baffling way possible. They’ll spend all day peddling absolute nonsense, only to turn around and cite their own debunked denials as if they were gospel truth. 🙏 It reminds me of something my brother used to say about certain folks: they aren't exactly dim-witted, they're just giftedly stupid.

Sarah Gomez52 said:You don't just eyeball vitamin similarities under a microscope like you're some genius—you look at the actual molecular structure and chemical formula! And guess what? That formula is EXACTLY the same whether it's synthetic or pulled straight from nature!!!
Besides, what’s even the point of "natural" vs "artificial"? If you isolate them and put them side-by-side, not even God could tell the difference, let alone you!!!

But wait, didn't they say they might look identical but act differently? Like, because you can't replicate that perfect synergy of all those natural ingredients just by making stuff in a lab?

Different strokes for different folks, I guess...😁

Some people are great at breaking things down, but clearly struggle when it comes to putting the pieces together...😁

Chloe Morris12 said:I know this sounds irrational, but still... I just want to be one hundred percent certain that bad food is objectively bad, regardless of any other factors.😉

If you listen to any sensible nutritionist, they’ll tell you it’s perfectly fine to indulge in a little bacon or some sharp cheddar every now and then—it’s certainly not forbidden—but it shouldn't constitute the bulk of what we eat. The issue is that humans naturally gravitate toward the path of least resistance; it's biological. We go for whatever tastes better, and let's face it, a greasy burger beats a bowl of steamed kale every single day. That's where the trouble starts—when people consistently break their diet with junk. I even heard one nutritionist suggesting that you don't need to consume whole wheat flour at every single meal, which doesn't quite click for me. I’d love an explanation if anyone actually understands the logic there.
Then there are those New Age Hare Krishna types who swear by a vegetarian diet, yet everything they eat is deep-fried or battered...

northernfalcon30 said:Well, didn't they mention they look identical but work differently? It's because you just can't replicate that perfect balance found in nature through artificial means.

To each their own...😁

Some people are great at analyzing things, but honestly, they struggle when it comes to putting the pieces together.😁

Different strokes for different folks! Exactly! You're talking about the vitamin itself, and it’s the exact SAME thing whether it's isolated from a plant or synthesized in a lab.
If you isolate it from a plant and put it into mistybear4 tablets, then there is nothing else there except that specific vitamin. You don't get any help from the other compounds found in the plant!!! GET IT???
But if you're eating actual fruit or vegetables, then there is a MASSIVE DIFFERENCE!!!

Except mistybear4 doesn't sell produce; they sell vitamins isolated from plants, along with the added side effect of mistybear4 brainwashing.
Maybe that's what makes them absorb better.

mistybear4 said:Look, the chemical structure—the formula—is just a more precise way of describing things. The real point is how they actually work. That’s where the difference lies, and it's clearly what you're missing here.. 😉

No, you explain it to me! 🙄

mistybear4 said:Are natural vitamins better?
The most important thing is having a balanced blend with high bioavailability.

HALLELUJAH! And you get all that just by eating fruits and vegetables.

mistybear4 said:Synthetic (multi) vitamins tend to lean toward zero.

Explain this concept of synthetic (multi) vitamins to me!!! What are we even talking about???
Besides, there are plenty of plants out there packed with different vitamins—they're basically natural multivitamins!!!

mistybear4 said:Nutrients are absorbed best when they are "built into" the plant matter. In that case, the physical state (colloidal) plays a huge role.

Don't try to lecture me on physical states! Or colloids! You have no idea what you're talking about and you're just throwing around big words to try and impress people. It's misplaced.

mistybear4 said:Additionally, the provitamins always present in plants have a positive effect on nutrient absorption.
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Exactly! But you don't get that in those pills, because you claim to be selling vitamins!!! Not fruits and vegetables!!!

Sarah Gomez52, what McProp is claiming is actually just my own translation of an old German article—it’s a bit of a mess, really! I suspect when that text mentions "artificial," it's specifically referring to those synthetic multivitamin tablets you see everywhere. In fact, I personally sent him a link that completely shuts down his entire argument—but he just won't see it. It’s frustrating, honestly, because he seems to have absolutely zero grasp of basic biology!

nimbledriver81 said:Sarah Gomez52, what McProp is talking about is just my translation of some German text. I think when they say "artificial" in that context, they actually mean multivitamin tablets. He sent me a link himself that proves everything he’s saying is wrong. But he can't see the difference because his biology knowledge is zero.

his only real talent is being a total jerk and talking trash.

I'm heading out for a run now; let him keep rambling if he wants to.

Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but I figured this was the right crowd to ask. Does anyone know where I can pick up a high-quality digital scale? I’m looking for specific model recommendations and a ballpark idea of what I should be expecting to pay.

David Davis26 said:Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but I figured this was the right group to ask. Does anyone know where I can pick up a decent digital scale? I’m looking for specific model recommendations and a rough idea of what they usually go for.

I'm in the exact same boat here... Come on, folks, if you have any leads, let me know. Ideally, something that won't break the bank.

Man, feels like I stumbled onto some actual experts here... maybe even 🙂
Wondering if anyone’s messed around with blood type diets? Thinking about jumping on the bandwagon since it just feels right for my body. From what I've read, it actually looks legit. Anyway, if you've tried it or know the deal, let me know...

David Davis26 said:sorry if this is totally off-topic, but you guys seem like the right crowd for this. where can I actually find a decent digital scale? looking for specific models and what they usually go for...

Saw an ad in some magazine for a Whirlpool scale that calculates body fat percentage too. Looks okay, just have no clue about the price tag.
Anyway, I almost had a heart attack checking out those T-fal digital ones at Mercury $300! Good grief, does that thing even talk back? Ugh...
p.s. wondering how these home scales get calibrated, if it's built-in or if you have to haul it to a repair shop...

nimbledriver81 said:Sarah Gomez52, what McProp is bringing up is just my translation of some German text. I think when they use the word "artificial" in that context, they're referring to standard multivitamin pills. He actually sent me a link that shuts down everything he’s claiming, but he can't see the distinction because his biology knowledge is basically zero.

Sarah Gomez52 is so full of herself that she can't even distinguish between what I'm saying and what was written in professional journals, which is almost impressive in its own way... 😁

Multivitamins also vary depending on whether they were created through pure "chemical tinkering" or if the vitamins were extracted from ACTUAL plants—though I’d love to believe the pharmaceutical industry gets their vitamins from nature, some people I know who work in big pharma tell me a much different story... and I maintain that the vitamin compresses I'm talking about are 100% natural in origin!!! 🙂

"Are natural vitamins better?
What matters most is how balanced the mixture is and its bioavailability.
Hallelujah! And you get all that just by eating fruit and vegetables."

Yeah, sure, like the produce you pick up at the local farmer's market still has even 30% of the vitamins it used to have... check again (if you don't understand German, just ask nimbledriver81 to translate for you)... 😁 :

)http://www.wolframkober.de/Interesse...htvitamine.htm

http://www.nahrungsergaenzung.de/dow..._1986_2002.pdf

Sarah Gomez52 said:To each their own, right? It’s all about the vitamin itself! And it's the EXACT same thing, whether it's isolated from a plant or synthesized in a lab.

Haha, they might look the same and have the same structure, but they DON'T act the same... and you aren't going to convince me otherwise with that logic.🙂

Sarah Gomez52 said:if you isolate it from a plant and put it in Mistybear4 tablets, then there's NOTHING else there except that single vitamin—there's NO help from the other substances found in the plant!!! GET IT???
If you eat fruit or vegetables, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

You're a real piece of work; who says you only isolate one vitamin for a compress rather than including those "plant substances" too?
The people extracting them from plants actually have that option, while those in a lab synthesizing them artificially can only dream of it... 🙂 😉>

Sarah Gomez52 said:but mistybear4 isn't actually selling produce; they're peddling vitamins isolated from plants, though I suspect the real side effect is the way they seem to rinse your brain clean.
maybe that just makes it easier for the body to absorb the stuff.

it honestly looks like your brain was scrubbed clean by heavy chemicals a long time ago, and I genuinely feel for you since those neurons don't exactly regenerate—they just die off. 😁

ps: "Imagination is like a parachute—it doesn't work unless it's open." - Albert Einstein
(from what I can tell, yours is still packed tightly in the backpack. 😁

mistybear4 said:(if you don't catch the German, just ask nimbledriver81 to translate for you

Thanks! I can handle it myself along with a few other languages

mistybear4 said:it looks like your brain was scrubbed clean by heavy chemicals a long time ago; I actually feel bad for you since your neurons aren't regenerating (they're just dying off) .. 😁

got any pills for me then?🙂 🙂 🙂

Sarah Gomez52 said:So, you got any pills you can recommend?🙂 🙂 🙂

Whatever it is you're looking for isn't going to be found in a pill bottle... 😁

PS: Don't take this little back-and-forth too personally; I've got nothing against you, but there's really no point in bashing something until you've actually looked into it—or tried it on yourself. 😉

nimbledriver81 said:There is a certain subset of people who genuinely fascinate me—the kind who will peddle a product one minute and then quote their own debunked claims the next as if they were gospel. 🙏 Or, as my brother would put it, he isn't exactly dim-witted; he’s just brilliantly stupid.

Honestly, I am mesmerized by his sheer audacity.

You can have ten different people on this forum explaining exactly how exhausting and misguided he is, yet he just keeps charging ahead, completely unbothered...

Even when we catch him in a blatant lie or prove he hasn't the slightest clue what he's talking about, he just doubles down and carries on as if nothing happened...

It’s pure brass and a total Teflon personality...

mistybear4 said:...and I’m telling you, these multivitamin compresses I'm talking about are 100% naturally sourced!!!.. 🙂

So what, they just grow on some magical "compressin" tree? 😁

Have you ever even heard of a process called oxidation? 😲

mistybear4 said:URL=http://www.wolframkober.de/Interessen/Vitamine/uebersichtvitamine.htm]http://www.wolframkober.de/Interessen/Vitamine/uebersichtvitamine.htm[/URL]

http://www.nahrungsergaenzung.de/dow..._1986_2002.pdf
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Why on earth are you citing links you clearly can't even read? Seriously, if you're going to constantly lean on "science" to back up your claims, ignoring the actual language of the research is a massive sin.

mistybear4 said:You're such a genius. Who says they only isolate one single vitamin to put into a compress (tablet) instead of including all those other "plant substances"?
The people extracting them directly from plants actually have that luxury, but the folks in labs synthesizing them artificially? They can only dream of that possibility... 🙂 😉

Could you please explain to us how this "isolation of plant substances" actually works? And where is this isolation happening if not in a lab? 😕
Is it at some sacred site or a Temple of Herbalife equipped with high-tech miracles like GC MS, HPLC, and all those other scientific wonders the rest of the world hasn't even dreamed of yet? Honestly, I bet half these biologists and chemists would fall flat on their faces if they actually laid eyes on a GC MS once in their lives....

Susan Gomez33 said:So, apparently, they grow on trees called compression. 😁

😁

fadedtrucker19 said:I’m honestly just fascinated by his sheer audacity.

Ten different people on this board tell him he's being dense and exhausting, yet he just keeps doubling down on his own nonsense...

Even when we call out his ignorance or catch him in a blatant lie, he just sails right past it as if nothing happened...

You've already made your level of intelligence quite clear, and frankly, I have no interest in discussing it further; being called "stupid" doesn't really rattle me when I see who's throwing the insult around... 😁

As for whether I'm being "exhausting," that's a whole other conversation...
The real question is WHO am I being exhausting to?
Back in the day, people would have called you crazy for suggesting Omega-3 was actually good for you, but twenty years later, everyone treats it as common knowledge... 😁
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what you all finally realize in the next five or ten years. 😁

Susan Gomez33 said:Can you actually explain how they isolate "those plant substances," and where this isolation happens if it isn't in a laboratory? 😕

Why are you getting so worked up? 😕
Of course it's done in a lab, but the point is where those components are coming from—whether they are pulled straight from plants or manufactured in some "magic box." 😁

Susan Gomez33 said:In the holy temple of Herbalife, equipped with every high-tech marvel like GC-MS, HPLC, and all sorts of scientific wizardry the rest of the academic world hasn't even dreamed of yet... I bet half these biologists and chemists would fall flat on their faces if they ever laid eyes on a single GC-MS machine.

Don't get hung up on a passing comment, but I'm certain that UCLA houses some of the most cutting-edge, prestigious labs of its kind in the world; you don't have to agree with me, that's your prerogative. 😉

http://www.ucla.edu/about/nobelwinners/index.html



http://www.ucla.edu/about/nobelwinners/ignarro.html

http://www.mbcrc.med.ucla.edu/MemberBios/MmbrHeber.htm

http://www.today.ucla.edu/2004/04112...pe-doctor.html

http://www.herbalife.com/hl/template...ompany/sab.jsp



http://cancerresources.mednet.ucla.e...0605_heber.htm

http://www.socgen.ucla.edu/nurture/speakers.htm

To all the American nutrition experts out there, you can find Dr. David Heber’s email at this next link, so feel free to grill him yourself since none of you seem inclined to take my word for anything... 😉

http://www.ora.med.ucla.edu/obesity_..._treatment.htm

And is it really such a stretch to suggest that diet might actually play a role in cancer? 😉

http://cancerresources.mednet.ucla.e...tion_heber.htm

Or perhaps...
NIH Research Project (William Aronson, John Glaspy, Dilbrit Bagga, Pinchas Cohen, David Heber)

http://www.urology.medsch.ucla.edu/p...e-projects.htm

If you're looking to actually educate yourselves, you could always attend a lecture by my former professors:

http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~scoles/meetings/future.html

http://www.imresidency.med.ucla.edu/...%20Faculty.htm