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The Punisher

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Brian Gonzalez7 Brian Gonzalez7 MemberOP
35 messages
joined Feb 2004
#1 ·
Man, I was seriously cracking up watching this one. Finally, a superhero movie that isn't a total pile of garbage... about damn time, right? Honestly, if they hadn't cut those scenes where his whole family gets wiped out, it would’ve been even better—seeing that massacre in full detail would have made it way more interesting. All in all, it's a decent enough flick for a comic book hero, which is a huge step up from that trash like Marvel, Spider-Man, and all those other CGI-heavy cartoon messes.
Gerald Rivera60 Gerald Rivera60 Active Member
129 messages
joined Feb 2007
#2 ·
To me, The Punisher isn't anything special... just your typical "you messed with my family, now I'm coming for you" flick. The only redeeming qualities are those neighbors of his and the soundtrack...

... but then again, it's all a matter of taste...
Nancy Kim2 Nancy Kim2 Member
43 messages
joined Jun 2004
#3 ·
THE PUNISHER IS A TOTAL FUCKER!!!!

Gosh, I was just about to start a thread on this! I went to see him yesterday—solo, obviously—at AMC Theatres. Look, the movie is just a movie; we could sit here all day debating the technicalities, the directing, the acting, blah blah blah, but I want to talk about the core theme. Like Brian Gonzalez7 said above, The Punisher is such an unconventional hero. When he first hit the scene, he broke the mold. Today, even in the US, most "non-superhero" gritty characters feel different, but back then, he paved the way.

The Punisher was the first real badass who decided to take down criminals using strictly non-superhero tools—you know, guns, bombs, and sheer grit. There’s none of that romanticized nonsense where he's "the chosen one" because a radioactive spider bit him, or he was born on Krypton, or he happens to surf through space on a silver surfboard—whatever you want to throw at it. He’s just an ultra-capable military powerhouse whose entire family gets brutally wiped out by some lowlife gangsters for no reason at all. (I think the movie stays pretty true to the comics on this—some kid caught in the crossfire of a mob hit leads to his whole extended family being silenced, and things just go south fast, much like the vibe in a gritty hip-hop track.)

It wasn't until I was actually watching the film that I realized how much The Punisher influenced me as a kid. It's his vision of "natural justice"—violent, uncompromising, and in a way that is almost inhumanly impressive to me. No remorse.

That whole line: 'in certain extreme situations, common law is faulty and inapplicable. To redeem itself in this respect, common law must be countervened in order for natural justice to be effected. It is not about revenge, revenge is an emotional response to personal loss. It is about PUNISHMENT.'

Basically, The Punisher is a fucker among fuckers. By the way, in the film, he’s still relatively "fresh," and it’s only at the very end that we get that montage where the voiceover says, 'The violent, the criminal, the murderers, rapist, sadist and perverts will come to know me well. I am the Punisher'. He doesn't really pull his weight with that hot girl trying to get with him, but in the comics, he’s more or less decent with women—though always without emotion, without promises, and without any expectation of a connection. He's The Punisher, for fuck's sake. So, we've established that. Let's talk about the movie.

As for the film itself... it's unremarkable, but for a fanatic like me, it was absolutely killer. It does have its moments of quality—the casting choices actually impressed me, especially since there aren't any massive A-list superstars, yet the cast is solid (aside from Travolta). Travolta as the main villain is... fantastic. The guy truly knows how to play a disgusting creep; I saw that clearly when he was in Face Off. Here, his hubris reeks from him until the very end, to the point where you can practically feel the catharsis when he gets "masterfully" taken down due to his own massive ego and gun-ho attitude. As for The Punisher himself—I don't even know what his name is—he's solidly acted, though that's not hard to do. He doesn't say much; he mostly delivers icy, cold-steel stares and walks around with a heavy, purposeful stride and a painfully clenched jaw. I also loved the decision regarding the "costume." Unlike the comics, which sort of gave in to genre tropes, he isn't wearing spandex-rubber galore; he's just wearing a simple, faded, beat-up T-shirt. Honestly, that T-shirt fits him perfectly because the guy is just built like a tank. It's not that plastic, "Masters of the Universe" look where you can see every single vein and the muscles look like water balloons; he has some body fat, sure, but the overall impression is "killing machine."

It's great how the film is peppered with these semi-comedic little tone-setters, like The Punisher's shootout with a Latino assassin who acts like he's straight out of a Robert Rodriguez flick (is the director paying homage?), or that encounter with the Russian (who, in a way that feels totally unconvincing compared to Marvel comics, just breezes through shootouts like it's nothing and doesn't even have a name, just goes by "The Russian" 😁The Punisher's neighbors actually give him a much-needed touch of humanity, providing a slight lift from what is, by definition, his pure sociopathy. The plot is brilliantly crafted; The Punisher isn't some Rambo type who just storms the enemy base surrounded by a ridiculous, hyper-buffed army of killers. There aren't any exhausting thirty-minute sequences dominated by yellow muzzle flashes only to have the theater speakers blast you with bass at the end. No, instead, he executes his plan with cold, calculating precision—using a natural knack for the psychology of destruction—moving slowly, patiently, and with an inhuman dedication toward wiping out his target. When the director finally sets the tone, the scenery, and the props for the final showdown, he just matter-of-factly dispatches the rest of the crew and completes his revenge. Respect!

All in all, it’s a solid 7/10 from the perspective of someone who isn't even a massive fan of The Punisher. Die-hard fans will probably only care about seeing the guy decked out with enough weaponry to arm the entire US Army back in the day and that iconic long skull on his chest!!! Booya ka'sha!

I just hope the movie is good enough to get "some new kids" interested in the actual comic books, which are honestly top-tier.

Oh, and one more thing:

Si vis pacem, para bellum

... putting that in my sig! 😈
A Anonymous Veteran
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#4 ·
Man, this is gonna run me about 12 bucks, but honestly? It looks like it’ll be totally worth it... 😎
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
264 messages
joined Feb 2003
#5 ·
I honestly don't know. I prefer my superheroes to be properly mutated or radioactive. Any random guy can pick up an AR-15 and start hunting down criminals. For instance, I was just playing Max Payne recently, and let me tell you, it wasn't exactly easy handling a Tommy gun, especially since those heavy-hitting mobsters were actually quite dangerous—particularly if they had submachine guns. But did I demand a movie based on my life? No, sir! If I actually possessed superpowers, then maybe I’d at least demand a comic book!
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
264 messages
joined Feb 2003
#6 ·
Douglas Barnes13 said:It wasn't until I sat down to watch the movie that I realized just how much The Punisher influenced me growing up. It’s that whole 'natural justice' philosophy—brutal, uncompromising, and in a certain sense, almost inhumanly impressive. Zero remorse.

Oh really? So have you started dispensing justice in a "brutal, uncompromising, and inhuman" way yourself? 😬

I mean, yeah, it does sound interesting, mostly because it reminds me of Max Payne. I'm not sure if I'll make the trip to AMC Theatres for it, but I'll definitely pick it up on Blu-ray.
Nancy Kim2 Nancy Kim2 Member
43 messages
joined Jun 2004
#7 ·
No, listen, here’s the deal: I started out as just your average moderator on LjES... then I crossed paths with some absolute criminals who decided to ban my entire family, stripped me of my mod status, and basically turned my life into a total disaster. Now, imagine that cinematic montage phase where the wizard (let's say Blue) heals him and leaves him right back on the same beach where his banned family was lost, accompanied by the words:

The Wizard (with a cameo from Blue): Vaya con dios. Go with God.
Me (giving a steel-eyed stare at the scene of the brutal banning, locking eyes with the Wizard, jaw clenched tight): God's gonna sit this one out.

🙂 🙂
Richard Hernandez13 Richard Hernandez13 Regular
269 messages
joined May 2004
#8 ·
To me, the whole movie just looks like some heavy-handed, overly dark attempt at being edgy, and honestly, the premise sounds like the wet dream of any wannabe fascist out there.
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
264 messages
joined Feb 2003
#9 ·
Richard Hernandez13 said:The premise sounds like the wet dream of any wannabe fascist.

Well... maybe they'll adapt Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and then those fascists can finally see their god!😲
Nancy Kim2 Nancy Kim2 Member
43 messages
joined Jun 2004
#10 ·
Look, The Punisher isn't running away from the fact that he’s basically a wet dream for any wannabe fascist. And honestly? It’s not even a "wet" dream—it's more of a bloody nightmare! Because in the comics, The Punisher just keeps taking beatings left and right, but does he quit? No way! He just comes back for more because, at his core, he’s a psychological wreck. He basically gave up on wanting to live the second his family was taken from him. The comic is actually incredible because, for one, he’s the first hero who isn't some spandex-clad Masters of the Universe type with god-like superpowers. Secondly, he’s a deeply broken individual who, in today's politically correct climate, would be blamed for everything he does. And thirdly? The guy has a constant death wish! He doesn't even try to lie to himself by pretending to be some shining knight in white armor.

The movie, on the other hand, is a fun ride. But you can't really compare a two-hour flick featuring mostly B-list actors to a comic book series that's been running for decades—I think it's been about 25 years now, right? It's just not a fair fight.
Brian Gonzalez7 Brian Gonzalez7 MemberOP
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joined Feb 2004
#11 ·
Douglas Barnes13 said:I don't know, man, that movie looks like it's trying way too hard with that edgy, dark aesthetic.

Honestly, I wouldn't say it's super grim... it actually has a ton of humor and just constant jokes thrown in there.
casualotter21 casualotter21 Regular
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joined Feb 2003
#12 ·
Douglas Barnes13, I have one question: where on earth did that low rating come from? Based on your comment, my impression was more along the lines of: "THIS MOVIE IS F***ING INSANE, TURBO, MEGA, EXTRA, TOTALLY ABSOLUTE, COOL, AND I WANT TO DRIVE SWEET MONKEY LUV TO IT ALL DAY LONG, which is why I’m giving it a three."

*What?*
rapidstag74 rapidstag74 Active Member
94 messages
joined Feb 2003
#13 ·
Douglas Barnes13 said:The comic works because it gives us a protagonist who isn't some spandex-clad Masters of the Universe type with god-like powers. He’s a psychologically broken man who, in today's politically correct climate, would be blamed for his methods. Plus, he carries a constant death wish and doesn't pretend to be some shining knight in white armor.

Are you talking about Batman?

TH
HND
stormycyclist13 stormycyclist13 Active Member
72 messages
joined Apr 2004
#14 ·
A solid film..
A Anonymous Veteran
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#15 ·
Douglas Barnes13 said:Look, The Punisher isn't running away from the fact that he’s basically a wet dream for any wannabe fascist. And honestly, it’s less of a "wet dream" and more of a bloody nightmare, because in the comics, The Punisher constantly takes a massive beating. But the guy just keeps coming back for more because, at his core, he’s a psychological wreck who lost the will to live the second his family was taken from him. The comic works so well because it gives us the first hero who isn't some spandex-clad Masters of the Universe type with god-like superpowers. Instead, you get this deeply broken man who, in today's PC-driven world, would be morally condemned for his methods. He's got a constant death wish and he’s not even delusional enough to pretend he’s some shining knight in white armor.

The movie is fun, though. On the other hand, trying to compare a two-hour flick filled with mostly B-list actors to a comic book run that has been going for decades—probably closer to 25 years if I recall—is a losing battle.

👍 😍
I'm with you on that.
Zachary Bennett3 Zachary Bennett3 Member
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joined Sep 2003
#16 ·
The real Punisher was played by Dolph Lundgren... He felt much grittier and more unhinged, plus his monologues actually had some weight to them!
restlessraven9 restlessraven9 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2008
#17 ·
I actually caught this at AMC Theatres the other day because I was genuinely curious—I’ve always been a huge fan of the comic, and honestly, the actor playing the lead is incredible, but let me tell you, the movie itself is an absolute train wreck! ! !
Don't even bother wasting your time. I honestly couldn't wrap my head around how bad a film could actually be; people seriously
Michelle Alvarez8 Michelle Alvarez8 Regular
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joined Nov 2015
#18 ·
It was a solid movie—really enjoyed it. 🙏 🙏 .. 🙂
Raymond Palmer8 Raymond Palmer8 Active Member
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joined Jul 2006
#19 ·
If you're looking to get rid of tattoos, this movie isn't going to help much—but if piercings are the issue, it shows the removal process pretty vividly, kind of like in The Punisher😁

The movie's totally fine
Ethan Perez97 Ethan Perez97 Active Member
114 messages
joined Aug 2005
#20 ·
Is this supposed to be The Punisher or Mad Max: Fury Road? That specific sequence where his family gets wiped out while he's running in the background feels like a complete rip-off, though the movie itself is just mediocre at best... the casting was questionable, and honestly, the only redeeming qualities were the violent scenes, making it one of the weaker comic book adaptations out there, right up there with Daredevil...

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